Bill Belichick With The Napalm Truth Bomb

[Spur-Addict]

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"One of the worst plays I've seen," said Belichick. "It was a deliberate play by the receiver to take out Aqib. No attempt to get open."

Hmmmm. Now, is Billy just extremely salty about this beat down? For sure, that's certainly a part of it. But is what he's saying true? Yes, yes it is. While there was no malicious intent by Welker, he did intentionally look to pick/rub the DB out of the play. A big chunk of their offensive scheme involves pick/rub routes, which effectively gets players open for just enough time for Peyton to fit the ball in nicely. Which he does, at an extremely astounding rate. Welker torpedoed into Talib, and that's unfortunate. Welker's route looks so awkward tbh, just take a look. The design of the play is sheer nonsense. The Patriots were fortunate on that play that Thomas dropped the ball, because at the minimum that's a free five to eight yards. But, they lost their best defender for the remainder of the game. I don't think they would've won regardless, but this is just an indictment of a problem that puts defensive players at risk physically, and at a disadvantage potentially on every down competitively speaking.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000315599/article/belichick-welker-block-one-of-the-worst-plays-ive-seen

[313]

Dat salt

[Fabbs]

1. What is the rule on these type picks?

2. Does the ball being in the air -or not- affect the ruling?
2b. Was the ball in the air when Welker body checked Talib?

[Dex]

:lmao

Suck it, Belichick.

[Thread]

Belichick's penance continues.

Cheaters never prosper\/Prosper's never cheaters.

[Thread]

Though I'll tell you on the comprehensive front:::these pick plays are like the hard count plays=pure chickenshit.

[Phillip]

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"One of the worst plays I've seen," said Belichick. "It was a deliberate play by the receiver to take out Aqib. No attempt to get open."

Hmmmm. Now, is Billy just extremely salty about this beat down? For sure, that's certainly a part of it. But is what he's saying true? Yes, yes it is. While there was no malicious intent by Welker, he did intentionally look to pick/rub the DB out of the play. A big chunk of their offensive scheme involves pick/rub routes, which effectively gets players open for just enough time for Peyton to fit the ball in nicely. Which he does, at an extremely astounding rate. Welker torpedoed into Talib, and that's unfortunate. Welker's route looks so awkward tbh, just take a look. The design of the play is sheer nonsense. The Patriots were fortunate on that play that Thomas dropped the ball, because at the minimum that's a free five to eight yards. But, they lost their best defender for the remainder of the game. I don't think they would've won regardless, but this is just an indictment of a problem that puts defensive players at risk physically, and at a disadvantage potentially on every down competitively speaking.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000315599/article/belichick-welker-block-one-of-the-worst-plays-ive-seen

Let's be honest... how often do defensive backs get knocked out of games by rubs like this?

OTOH, how often have receivers been knocked out of games by horse collars, high-low hits, and head hunting?

It's not even comparable. What happened yesterday is infrequent, and proper communication by the defense would have helped avoid it. No need for a rule change.

[monosylab1k]

After two concussions i'm pretty sure Welker isn't going to use his body to take out a guy much bigger than him. It wasn't intentional, and Talib was a pussy to not be able to take a hit from little ass Welker.

That said, those pick plays are still dirty as hell, and it could be solved by the refs penalizing it the way they're supposed to. Of course, Denver takes the "run so many picks that it's impossible to flag them all" route, which then leads to the refs basically making it a legal play for them.

I'm glad for Seattle that Belichick is being so vocal, maybe Denver won't be able to get away with that crap in the Super Bowl.

[AntiChrist]

FBB. Maybe you shouldn't have released Welker. Lol, being taken out by smallest player on the field.

[AchillesHeel]

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[Fabbs]

Saw replay.
Ball was most def in the air when Welker whacked Talib.
In fact it was almost received by Thomas.

[Spur-Addict]

Let's be honest... how often do defensive backs get knocked out of games by rubs like this?

OTOH, how often have receivers been knocked out of games by horse collars, high-low hits, and head hunting?

It's not even comparable. What happened yesterday is infrequent, and proper communication by the defense would have helped avoid it. No need for a rule change.

My primary issue is clearly the effect it has on the game, and the advantage the offense gets. Yes, injuries, and collisions are on occasion and not comparable to the targeting by defenders etc. But I disagree with the defensive communication as route prediction pre snap is very difficult. Guys are wearing helmets and it's also very hard to chase a guy down while signaling. Imagine playing in Seattle, being a defender, and trying to communicate. Very unrealistic imo. The issue is setting picks, and getting an advantage. Injuries are an occasional side issue, but an issue which allowed this to be magnified on the 2nd biggest stage in football. And if potential injuries can be avoided (No matter how low the probability) while eliminating a loophole created for entertainment purposes, not for the integrity of the game, then I'm all for it.

[dirk4mvp]

After two concussions i'm pretty sure Welker isn't going to use his body to take out a guy much bigger than him. It wasn't intentional, and Talib was a pussy to not be able to take a hit from little ass Welker.

That said, those pick plays are still dirty as hell, and it could be solved by the refs penalizing it the way they're supposed to. Of course, Denver takes the "run so many picks that it's impossible to flag them all" route, which then leads to the refs basically making it a legal play for them.

I'm glad for Seattle that Belichick is being so vocal, maybe Denver won't be able to get away with that crap in the Super Bowl.

On the other hand Seattle is fucked if their best defensive strategy (blatant holding and pi) gets called like it should.

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FBB. Maybe you shouldn't have released Welker.

Though Media wouldn't touch it at the time. It was like he left in thin air. They didn't touch it yesterday. We'll see if they touch it henceforth.

It's juicy though.

[Phillip]

On the other hand Seattle is fucked if their best defensive strategy (blatant holding and pi) gets called like it should.

This.

Fact is, generally all the elite teams (and elite players) find ways to bend the rules as much as possible. Simply a part of the game. Every team has their ways.

[Dex]

This.

Fact is, generally all the elite teams (and elite players) find ways to bend the rules as much as possible. Simply a part of the game. Every team has their ways.

Unless you're the Cowboys, then you just hang your hat on Tony Romo and perennially suck.

[TampaDude]

:lmao

Suck it, Belichick.

^ this :toast

[Raven]

tbh we didn't lose because of talib's injury, we lost because we were 5 weeks in the zone of "one injury away from total dismay"

[Spur-Addict]

tbh we didn't lose because of talib's injury, we lost because we were 5 weeks in the zone of "one injury away from total dismay"

I think everyone pretty much agrees with that.

[Thread]

tbh we didn't lose because of talib's injury, we lost because we were 5 weeks in the zone of "one injury away from total dismay"

Only pussies & assholes play the injury card.

You lost because Brady, yesterday, could not function at a victory level.

[313]

I missed the play, what happened? How did Welker take a guy out without putting himself in harm's way?

[Thebesteva]

What a cry baby pussy juice

[DAF86]

A known cheater should lay low about these kind of things.

[Fabbs]

I missed the play, what happened? How did Welker take a guy out without putting himself in harm's way?
both running about the same speed at each other. Welker braced for the collision, Talib was looking elsewhere (at the QB?) and got taken out.
It's being replayed on espn, probably all day.

[Spur-Addict]

BZQU8nrtyL4

[313]

both running about the same speed at each other. Welker braced for the collision, Talib was looking elsewhere (at the QB?) and got taken out.
It's being replayed on espn, probably all day.

Sounds like a penalty to me, if Welker had the opportunity to move out of the way

[313]

BZQU8nrtyL4that's dirty. He ran right at him.

[Spur-Addict]

that's dirty. He ran right at him.

If you pause at the 0:05/0:06 mark, it looks pretty bad.

[johnsmith]

On the very next series, the Pats hurt DRC on almost the exact same play....weird that bill didn't mention that.

[313]

If you pause at the 0:05/0:06 mark, it looks pretty bad.
Welker is cold blooded for that one

[Spur-Addict]

On the very next series, the Pats hurt DRC on almost the exact same play....weird that bill didn't mention that.

He should have. I don't think it belongs, period. The Broncos are only the example because it happened on a grand stage with a very negative result that compounded its very nature of inequality. I have no issue with Denver, and I actually like a lot of their players.

[TampaDude]

On the very next series, the Pats hurt DRC on almost the exact same play....weird that bill didn't mention that.

Why would he? He's just a fucking whiner who's SB winning days are over.

[Fabbs]

On the very next series, the Pats hurt DRC on almost the exact same play....weird that bill didn't mention that.
Who is DRC?
Can we get a link to his being taken out?

[johnsmith]

Who is DRC?
Can we get a link to his being taken out?

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie...don't have a link, I was at the game and saw it and then they showed it on the jumbo tron....

One thing I failed to mention though is that the Pats got penalized for offensive PI on their play while Welker did not...which according to Mile Preria (sp?) was the correct no call on the Welker hit

[johnsmith]

DRC came back in too...cause he's not a pussy

[Fabbs]

Belichick was asked later during the news conference if "pick plays," such as the one he accused Welker of, are common and if Denver runs them more than other teams.

"I'd say most all teams in the league do it. They do what they need to do,"

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I hope they run a couple of pick plays on sherman. Lol it would be so funny to see welker or decker lay that classless jig out...

[Fabbs]

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie...don't have a link, I was at the game and saw it and then they showed it on the jumbo tron....
If your memorie jots the time of game, let us know.
I just ran the series where Pattycake ended up scoring a field goal to make it 10-3 but did not see nor was there any mention of DRCs being taken out in that series.

I got to hear what Preria says also.

Bellicheats admitting that all teams do it makes it appear that within the players themselves, most would say Talib needed to be more alert rather then calling Welkers play dirty.
Don't get me wrong i think the NFL allowing this is bullshit. Which we know player safety is a joke anyways.

[BanditHiro]

;_; i don't like it when other teams do the cheating

[Fabbs]

One thing I failed to mention though is that the Pats got penalized for offensive PI on their play while Welker did not...which according to Mile Preria (sp?) was the correct no call on the Welker hit
Former Vice President of Officiating Mike Pereira said the hit was not a foul, because the ball touched the receiver's hands "about the same time" as Welker made contact with Talib, which would make the hit a standard block, and not pass interference.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20140119/wes-welker-aqib-talib-pick-play-denver-broncos/#ixzz2qy5brjkX

[Fabbs]

;_; i don't like it when other teams do the cheating
:lol

[johnsmith]

If your memorie jots the time of game, let us know.
I just ran the series where Pattycake ended up scoring a field goal to make it 10-3 but did not see nor was there any mention of DRCs being taken out in that series.

I got to hear what Preria says also.

Bellicheats admitting that all teams do it makes it appear that within the players themselves, most would say Talib needed to be more alert rather then calling Welkers play dirty.
Don't get me wrong i think the NFL allowing this is bullshit. Which we know player safety is a joke anyways.

I will watch the game again when I get home and see if they show it...maybe it wasn't the next series, I thought it was but I could be wrong.

I'm sitting in DIA as we speak waiting for my 9 AM flight to finally leave this fucking place right now though.

[Thebesteva]

Belicheat ran this play before the Welker hit...check mate

http://i.minus.com/ibcY8euFhZD6SM.gif

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Belichick was asked later during the news conference if "pick plays," such as the one he accused Welker of, are common and if Denver runs them more than other teams.

"I'd say most all teams in the league do it. They do what they need to do,"derp

So y he mad

[313]

Belicheat ran this play before the Welker hit...check mate

http://i.minus.com/ibcY8euFhZD6SM.gif
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[monosylab1k]

On the very next series, the Pats hurt DRC on almost the exact same play....weird that bill didn't mention that.

Oh you mean the play where Austin Collie already had the ball and Edelman threw a block for his runner?

http://nimga.com/m/j6q47.gif

Yeah, that looks exactly like Welker's illegal pick before Demaryius touches the ball.

[monosylab1k]

Belicheat ran this play before the Welker hit...check mate

http://i.minus.com/ibcY8euFhZD6SM.gif

lol are you really this retarded?

Austin Collie already has the ball. Edelman is blocking for him. Don't be purposely obtuse. Your team got away with one, and Talib is a pussy. That's that.

[spurraider21]

even if they threw the flag on welker, the deed was done, and the game was won

[monosylab1k]

even if they threw the flag on welker, the deed was done, and the game was won

Well sure, even if Talib was healthy the Patriots were going to lose that game. Playoff Brady and his famous shitty deep ball lost the game.

But I don't want to hear faggot Broncos fans going ":cry Belicheat did the exact same thing to DRC" when it clearly is not even remotely the exact same thing.

[HarlemHeat37]

It was certainly a dirty play, tbh, but Welker is like 5'9 180 pounds:lol..

Not only is that minuscule for an NFL player, but it's around the size of the average American male:lol..

[Chris]

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[spurraider21]

Well sure, even if Talib was healthy the Patriots were going to lose that game. Playoff Brady and his famous shitty deep ball lost the game.

But I don't want to hear faggot Broncos fans going ":cry Belicheat did the exact same thing to DRC" when it clearly is not even remotely the exact same thing.
yeah, anybody denying the illegality of that play is just lying to themselves. and as you mentioned, the New England play was when Collie already had the ball, so it was clean.
and yeah, when i saw Brady miss Edelman on that deep ball, it was a bad omen.

[Chris]

Belichick is one of the greatest coaches of our generation, but he is a sore loser everytime.

[Pelicans78]

I think it was deliberate.

[LakerHater]

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[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Even if Talib's injury is what lost the game (it wasn't), the bigger problem then is a defensive system/coordinator completely reliant on an injury prone bitch to be completely healthy. What lost the game is the same thing that lost the game last year, god awful drafting/talent development from Belichick over the years and a roster full of players who consistently fall off in the post season. Everyone on the entire roster sans Jamie Collins and maybe a few others had a below average or worse game. Brady, Mankins, Solder, Chandler Jones, McCourty, etc., all played noticeably worse than they did during the regular season.

[Clipper Nation]

Belichick is one of the greatest coaches of our generation, but he is a sore loser everytime.
Belichick is just as much of a bitchmade sore loser as Jim Harbaugh, just more reserved about it on the sidelines....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Belichick is pretty good when he inherits talent developed by Parcells/Caroll.

It's safe to say Belichick has established his inability to develop/draft talent in his own though.

[Spur-Addict]

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:rollin
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monosylab1k is on point with his analysis of the two plays. Clearly they are distinctly different.

[johnsmith]

Oh you mean the play where Austin Collie already had the ball and Edelman threw a block for his runner?

http://nimga.com/m/j6q47.gif

Yeah, that looks exactly like Welker's illegal pick before Demaryius touches the ball.

That is the play I was talking about...and now that I've seen it again, you're correct, I don't see anything wrong with it.

[rayjayjohnson]

:lol hawks fan complaining about illegal plays

[Thread]

Belichick is just as much of a bitchmade sore loser as Jim Harbaugh

CN

Belichick was under the protection of Media...Now Media has scooted across this nation and have placed fat ass under that protection. Belichick is on his own.

It happens.

[LnGrrrR]

Eh, disagree. Wilfork, Mankins, Mayo, Gronk, etc etc. (I agree that they fade a bit in the playoffs, but not sure that's on BB's drafting moreso than coaching/conditioning.)

[Raven]

Even if Talib's injury is what lost the game (it wasn't), the bigger problem then is a defensive system/coordinator completely reliant on an injury prone bitch to be completely healthy. What lost the game is the same thing that lost the game last year, god awful drafting/talent development from Belichick over the years and a roster full of players who consistently fall off in the post season. Everyone on the entire roster sans Jamie Collins and maybe a few others had a below average or worse game. Brady, Mankins, Solder, Chandler Jones, McCourty, etc., all played noticeably worse than they did during the regular season.

mccourty had to play corner when talib went out. and you can't rely on the like of siliga, vellano and jones to be your DT tbh.. if you can't defend the run, you're toast. but yeah, they had a bad game, although brady could barely get on the field and he did his damage in that little time he had (literally meaning time of possession). Too many injuries, no way to sugarcoat this, we did a miracle to get this far, you can't get over being without gronkowki and hernandez, kyle love, kelly and wilfork. all three in two positions. imho the season was positive and we have gotten even younger on D, there is little we need in the draft. I'm positive about next year.

[monosylab1k]

They need to fire their strength and conditioning coaches and the entire medical staff. Pay for the best instead of whatever ragtag crew they have.

Then get Brady another outside threat. I'm optimistic about Dobson but we need a proven playmaker at receiver. Anything Gronk gives us should be viewed as a bonus, not a necessity.

[LnGrrrR]

Agreed about Gronk.

I think BB should try to go out and get a proven WR. Doesn't have to be Megatron level, just a step underneath. Not sure which players are in contract years right now though.

[Raven]

Agreed about Gronk.

I think BB should try to go out and get a proven WR. Doesn't have to be Megatron level, just a step underneath. Not sure which players are in contract years right now though.

Decker is the best bet tbh

[spurraider21]

Decker is the best bet tbh
i have a feeling the raiders will use their historic cap space to splurge on him

[johnsmith]

Decker has said he wants to stay in Denver but I suppose that's why they all say. I've never been a huge fan of his but he has played well these last two seasons. Whatever team ends up with him, he needs to be a second receiver because he's not fast enough to be a true number 1 IMO.

He also drops a lot of balls. And trips a lot too for some reason.

[johnsmith]

He's also gonna be the most important receiving threat for the broncos in the SB....he needs a big day.

[LnGrrrR]

Assuming Broncos win the SB, people are going to want to get paid. Not sure how Broncos keep everyone.