No mention of the Ukraine in here?

[CosmicCowboy]

Damn. that place is coming completely unglued..

[CosmicCowboy]

No interest in the civil unrest in the Ukraine? Hmmmm. They have been torn between Russia and the European Union and the governments recent decision to swing back to Russia and outlaw any protest has blown the country up. I expect to hear news about major massacres there any day now.

[CosmicCowboy]

How about Ukranian brides? Any interest there?

http://www.ukrainebridesagency.com/

http://www.ukrainebridesagency.com/Images/Members/Love_Queen_Large_zdmuabhcacjaent_0.jpg

http://www.ukrainebridesagency.com/Images/Members/sweet%20beauty_Large_qkhfullspfwpwhl_0.jpg

http://www.ukrainebridesagency.com/Images/Members/Next_to_you__Large_pflzlebedtvdasc_0.jpg

[lefty]

" you dont say Ukraine weak"

[pgardn]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226728&highlight=Ukraine

[CosmicCowboy]

live video

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[The Reckoning]

eastern european girls are the hottest on earth

[baseline bum]

мой негр Сталин knew how to handle the Ukraine

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Its reminiscent to tahrir square. It's pretty obvious that the people are not represented by their government. They certainly have my sympathy.

[Jacob1983]

Nobody cares because mother Russia hates homosexuals. The hatred of homosexuals is more important than barbaric protests and protestors and cops getting hurt and/or killed.

[Winehole23]

hottest on earth and allegedly available online. how much easier could it possibly be?

[Winehole23]

Its reminiscent to tahrir square. It's pretty obvious that the people are not represented by their government. They certainly have my sympathy.Fuzzy Lumpkins, if I may ask, where are you from?

[Winehole23]

that you so condescend to others

[Winehole23]

and pity them so conspicuously?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

and pity them so conspicuously?

military family so norfolk ft mead ft knox augsburg fort sam austin dallas and san antonio.

I condescend to others because they are stupid and because of that make decisions that effect us all. I do not pity most anyone. It is the most evil of all emotions. I hope for the best for those people and that they can get a government that represents them

kk now why do you condescend? why are you so self righteous? why do you drink so much? I hope for the best for those people and that they can get a government that represents them

[RandomGuy]

Damn. that place is coming completely unglued..

Not sure what to make of it.

I think the Ukrainian president is very mindful of what happened to Georgia.

This would seem to be a European problem, primarily, IMO.

The economist has been following this fairly closely, since much of what is going on there is because of trade deals, and the political triangulation that entails.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2014/01/ukraine-1
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21594340-viktor-yanukovychs-government-still-faces-proteststhough-smaller-ones-still-out-there

[The Reckoning]

hottest on earth and allegedly available online. how much easier could it possibly be?



http://youtu.be/8qsThUEiwRo

[The Reckoning]

i saw some documentary on russian brides and it's sad because some of them get all the payments, have their flights booked and then don't show up at the airport.

a lot of the time it's a huge scam. but that service attracts a lot of assholes too who end up beating those girls out of frustration later on if they do show up.

[ElNono]

What's going on in Ukraine?

[HI-FI]

What's going on in Ukraine?

a lot of hot bitches apparently available with the click of a mouse....might have to look into this....

[Winehole23]

kk now why do you condescend?kk? is that a reduplicated ok?


why are you so self righteous? Got under your skin?


why do you drink so much?I drink enough. The inference that I drink too much is frankly hostile.


I hope for the best for those people and that they can get a government that represents themhear, hear! that's a genteel sentiment.

[Winehole23]

i saw some documentary on russian brides and it's sad because some of them get all the payments, have their flights booked and then don't show up at the airport.

a lot of the time it's a huge scam. but that service attracts a lot of assholes too who end up beating those girls out of frustration later on if they do show up.Ouch. As usual reality outstrips the worst cynicism and the glibbest.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What's going on in Ukraine?

The Ukrainian Premier did this: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/world/europe/ukraine.html?_r=0 despite protests by millionswho wanted to go more towards the EU rather than go with Russia.

Now they are combating the police in the streets of Kiev. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25853329

At first they used rubber bullets but now they are using live ammo.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

kk? is that a reduplicated ok?

Got under your skin?

I drink enough. The inference that I drink too much is frankly hostile.

hear, hear! that's a genteel sentiment.

We've been through this before. I am hostile but you are passive aggressive. 'that you so condescend to others'

Despite your desire to separate yourself, your intent is much the same.

[ElNono]

The Ukrainian Premier did this: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/world/europe/ukraine.html?_r=0 despite protests by millionswho wanted to go more towards the EU rather than go with Russia.

Now they are combating the police in the streets of Kiev. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25853329

At first they used rubber bullets but now they are using live ammo.

Thanks, haven't heard much about it

[Winehole23]

@FL: elliptical. fill in the blanks or not. your choice. I have no idea what you"re talking about.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Thanks, haven't heard much about it

The protesters are claiming that before the violence there were a million people that showed up. Of course the state poo poo's that. That is why it reminds me of Egypt. Following much the same path. Popular uprising is the new world trend.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-07/ukraine-opposition-calls-for-million-strong-rally-in-kiev.html

[ElNono]

The protesters are claiming that before the violence there were a million people that showed up. Of course the state poo poo's that. That is why it reminds me of Egypt. Following much the same path. Popular uprising is the new world trend.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-07/ukraine-opposition-calls-for-million-strong-rally-in-kiev.html

Russia has a history with this stuff tough... Chechnya, Georgia, etc...

[Winehole23]

Thanks, haven't heard much about itPeople died yesterday and the day before. Yanukovich is a fucker, I tremble to think of what he might do to restore public order, which has obviously been broken. Police and citizenry are fighting.

[ElNono]

People died yesterday and the day before. Yanukovich is a fucker, I tremble to think of what he might do to restore public order, which has obviously been broken. Police and citizenry are fighting.

I've been busy, haven't been following it. Unfortunately, that part of the world is well known for being familiar to violence, war and corruption. I doubt this is new to them, but on the other hand, still a shitty situation.

IMO, not that unexpected since Russia has been re-gaining some of it's footing under Putin.

[Winehole23]

the unrest has become regional. some subsidiary outpost of Ukraine was overcome by massed (and presumably armed) citizenry, I heard, but these first reports are always sketchy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've been busy, haven't been following it. Unfortunately, that part of the world is well known for being familiar to violence, war and corruption. I doubt this is new to them, but on the other hand, still a shitty situation.

IMO, not that unexpected since Russia has been re-gaining some of it's footing under Putin.

I expect that Russia will prop up the regime but I don't think he is going to go Soviet Hungary or the like.

[Winehole23]

“Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”


That's a text message that thousands of Ukrainian protesters spontaneously received on their cell phones today, as a new law prohibiting public demonstrations went into effect. It was the regime's police force, sending protesters the perfectly dystopian text message to accompany the newly minted, perfectly dystopian legislation. In fact, it's downright Orwellian (and I hate that adjective, and only use it when absolutely necessary, I swear).


But that's what this is: it's technology employed to detect noncompliance, to hone in on dissent. The NY Times reports (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/22/world/europe/ukraine-protests.html?_r=0) that the "Ukrainian government used telephone technology to pinpoint the locations of cell phones in use near clashes between riot police officers and protesters early on Tuesday." Near. Using a cell phone near a clash lands you on the regime's hit list.

http://motherboard.vice.com/en_ca/blog/maybe-the-most-orwellian-text-message-ever-sent

[baseline bum]

Gotta take out that battery

[boutons_deux]

Ukraine corporations allied with the govt, just like in USA

Many people in Kiev awoke Tuesday morning to a frightening text message on their phones. “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance,”

Using widely available technology, Ukraine’s dominant carriers have reportedly helped (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/22/world/europe/ukraine-protests.html?smid=tw-share) the government pinpoint the locations of their customers. Anyone with a cellphone in the vicinity of recent protests was added to a list and sent the intimidating text.

The incident is just one in a growing number of attacks on Internet users. It’s a troubling sign that the information age has entered a new era — one where our rights to connect and communicate are under constant siege.

http://www.freepress.net/blog/2014/01/21/information-counter-revolution?akid=4589.9874661.6WLraa&rd=1&t=2

[ElNono]

Gotta take out that battery

lol iPhones

[Winehole23]

http://www.businessinsider.com/understanding-euromaidan-2014-1

[Winehole23]

Ukraine corporations allied with the govt, just like in USA
lol sloppy seconds. see post #33.

[Winehole23]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/01/24/this-is-the-one-map-you-need-to-understand-ukraines-crisis/

[Winehole23]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-protests-police-forced-to-abandon-kiev-conference-centre-to-opposition-as-presidents-latest-concessions-offer-fails-9085996.html

[Winehole23]

stratfor:http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2014/01/28/ukraine_the_perpetual_buffer_state-2.html

[Winehole23]

Armed men seized the parliament in Ukraine's Crimea region on Thursday and raised the Russian flag, alarming Kiev's new rulers, who urged Moscow not to abuse its navy base rights on the peninsula by moving troops around.

Crimea, the only Ukrainian region with an ethnic Russian majority, is the last big bastion of opposition to the new leadership in Kiev since President Viktor Yanukovich was ousted at the weekend and provides a base for Russia's Black Sea fleet.http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ukraine-russia-20140227,0,134399.story

[Winehole23]

Yanukovich said on Thursday he was still president of Ukraine and warned its "illegitimate" rulers that people in the southeastern and southern regions would never accept mob rule.

In a statement sent to Russian news agencies from an unknown location, Yanukovich railed against the "extremists" who had stolen power in Ukraine, threatened violence against himself and his closest aides and passed "illegal" law

[boutons_deux]

this looks like a great opportunity for partitioning, Euros in western half vs Bolsheviks in eastern half

[angrydude]

Bump for the Russian "invasion."

[angrydude]

Not that this means anything other than being extremely funny, but Sarah Palin predicted this would happen if Obama was elected.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/28/palin-on-ukraine-i-told-you-so/comment-page-3/#comments

[angrydude]

I also like how Putin asked permission from the Russian congress before he acted. If this were the USA and Mexico, the president would just go in.

"land of the free" lol

[lefty]

" I come from the Ukraine. You dont say Ukraine weak ! "
" hey we are playing a little game here buddy "

[ElNono]

Not that this means anything other than being extremely funny, but Sarah Palin predicted this would happen if Obama was elected.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/28/palin-on-ukraine-i-told-you-so/comment-page-3/#comments

Maybe she can see Russia from her backyard after all :lol

[boutons_deux]

McLiar wants all-out usa-russia war in Ukraine

Since he and his family. Won't bleed there. But. His $$$ from MIC will increase

[SupremeGuy]

inb4WW3

[boutons_deux]

5 Ways The U.S. Can Respond To Russia Invading Ukraine — Without Going To War (http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/03/01/3349231/5-ways-respond-russia-invading-ukraine-going-war/)

1. Suspend Russia’s membership in the G-8

Russia joining the Group of 7 in 1998, despite being the weakest of the group’s economies at the time, was considered a huge boost to the prestige a country still recovering after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Russia is also due to host the next meeting of the G-8 in Sochi, the site of the recently concluded Olympics, this June. Rather than the U.S. simply boycotting the meeting, the Obama administration could lead the charge along with the other members to suspend Russia’s membership in the group.

2. Place travel bans on Putin and his family

While multilateral travel bans are unlikely to come from the United Nations, thanks to Russia’s veto power on the Security Council, the U.S. can still enact unilateral travel sanctions on Putin and his family. While Putin would still be able to travel to New York for United Nations meetings, preventing the Russian president from entering U.S. territory, and marshaling European countries and other allies to do the same, would send a strong message to Putin that he is persona non-grata in the international community.

3. Enact trade sanctions against Russia

As recently as December, Russia was looking to boost trade (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-12/russia-seeks-package-of-trade-agreements-with-u-s-.html) with the United States — which already stands at about $40 billion annually — though remaining just shy of a free trade deal. Both Russia and the United States are members of the World Trade Organization, which brings with it certain obligations when it comes to tarrifs and trade embargoes. But insofar as those obligations allow, the U.S. can use reduced trade with Russia to show its displeasure.

4. Suspension of NATO cooperation and participation

After the collapse of the USSR, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization welcomed in several of the formerly Soviet states, including Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. Russia has long seen this expansion as a threat, which is part of the reason Ukraine is not a NATO member state. To help assauge those fears, NATO began outreach to Russia in the late 1990s, including setting up a NATO-Russia Council to frequently meet and exchange concerns. In light of Putin’s move on Ukraine, the U.S. should move to have those meetings suspended and cooperation between NATO and Russia halted.

5. Accelerate missile defense programs in Russia’s near abroad

One of Russia’s top concerns when it comes to U.S. policy has been the instillation of a missile defense network in Eastern Europe. Washington has always insisted the network in Poland and the Czech Republic are to protect Europe from the threat of missiles from Iran, though Moscow has long been skeptical. The Obama administration has dialed back some of the program in the hopes of reducing Russian fears and enabling cooperation in other areas, for example on Iran’s nuclear program. Many of those choices could now be reversed with consideration to other American security interests.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/03/01/3349231/5-ways-respond-russia-invading-ukraine-going-war/#

[ElNono]

send in the drones, IMO... soon enough this shit is gonna look like Starcraft

[pgardn]

One interesting outcome might be to solidify the NW part of the country and force Kiev to get its house in order early and firmly. Political opponents are more likely to work together with an overriding common cause.

It might ultimately lead to a NATO affiliated portion, or not. Twill be interesting to see how far the Russians go. They must realize that they might lose significant control over vast territory in the West.

[Nbadan]

The local wing nuts must be liking this

Russian Troops Take Possession of Crimea without Firing a Shot
Source: ASSOCIATED PRESS


SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine (AP) — Russian troops took over the strategic Crimean peninsula Saturday without firing a shot. The newly installed government in Kiev was powerless to react, and despite calls by U.S. President Barack Obama for Russia to pull back its forces, Western governments had few options to counter Russia's military moves.

Russian President Vladimir Putin sought and quickly got his parliament's approval to use its military to protect Russia's interests across Ukraine. But while sometimes-violent pro-Russian protests broke out Saturday in a number of Russian-speaking regions of eastern Ukraine, Moscow's immediate focus appeared to be Crimea.

Tensions increased when Ukraine's acting president, Oleksandr Turchynov, made a late night announcement that he had ordered the country's armed forces to be at full readiness because of the threat of "potential aggression."

Speaking live on Ukrainian TV, Turchynov said he had also ordered stepped up security at nuclear power plants, airports and other strategic infrastructure.

-snip-

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/russian-troops-take-possession-of-crimea-without-firing-a-shot

[Nbadan]

They sure love them some Putin...

http://media.npr.org/programs/wesat/features/2008/may/putinchest200-a247b83615dc1a03d19a580d3b272b80e123ef35-s2-c85.jpg

[Nbadan]

So...........why is Russia invading Crimea...

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/53121ecc69bedd4c2ff07872-1181-825/ethnolingusitic_map_of_ukraine.png

http://www.businessinsider.com/this-map-explains-why-russia-is-invading-crimea-2014-3

[hehateme]

anyone got the chops to make a ww3 map in case it ever happened. Would love to see who teamed up with who on that front (hypothetically speaking of course).

[Jacob1983]

Murica gonna build some hospitals and roads in Ukraine. Get ready.

[Winehole23]

Ukraine will extend a cease-fire in its fight against separatist rebels today after President Petro Poroshenko signed a European Union accord rejected by his predecessor that sent the country spiraling into crisis.http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-27/ukraine-to-extend-cease-fire-as-president-signs-eu-pact.html

[Winehole23]

Moscow today threatened natural gas deliveries (http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_307128/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=LUjuUcYs) to any European country that contrives a bypass to supply Ukraine with Russian fuel. The warning is a salvo against what it called a “half-fraudulent scheme” to confound Moscow’s 11-day-old cutoff (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/16/russia-cuts-off-gas-supply-ukraine) of gas to Ukraine. http://qz.com/227484/russia-is-threatening-to-cut-off-european-countries-gas-if-they-dont-do-its-bidding/

[boutons_deux]

...

[pgardn]

More significant is Putins inaction on the ground.
He let Ukraine get settled and gain military momentum.
Sanctions might have had an impact and or he realized the big mess he started.

Showdown awaits in Donetsk.

[velik_m]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-28354787

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-28354787

How will the UN respond?

[boutons_deux]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-28354787

"crash", strange headline for "shot down" event

now to find out Hoo Dunnit

[PublicOption]

Ok, I believe we should stay out of most wars. But I hate Russians and 23 Americans were on that plane. Time to show force in the Ukraine.

[pgardn]

The rebels receive advanced weaponry for this showdown and screw up.

The Ukranian AF really screwed up.

First most likely imo.

[pgardn]

Ok, I believe we should stay out of most wars. But I hate Russians and 23 Americans were on that plane. Time to show force in the Ukraine.

No.
Just no.

[xeromass]

19:00:
A tweet (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3ANF6E5FCKFNEJ%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Ftwit ter.com%2Fdnrpress%2Fstatus%2F483248037629018112) (in Russian) from a key Twitter account used by pro-Russian separatists, in which they claim to have captured a Buk surface-to-air missile system, has now been deleted, BBC Monitoring observes. Ukrainians say the Malaysian plane could have been downed with a Buk, but pro-Russian rebels have now denied they have it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-28354787

It seems to be the case of kids playing with grown up toys. What does this button do? Oops.

[m>s]

Ok, I believe we should stay out of most wars. But I hate Russians and 23 Americans were on that plane. Time to show force in the Ukraine.

lol and how the hell do you propose they do that? navy won't help you against the russians who have superior ground forces and deep battle doctrine which is superior to our tactics. the russians are the reason we haven't attacked iran or syria. iraq was supposed to be a springboard into iran..we sent in georgia to destroy the underground tunnel linking russia to iran (to supply troops and reinforcements) but when the russian response was quicker than suspected back in 2008 the americans were stunned. they quickly packed up and left iraq since attack was no longer a possibility..they do NOT want a piece of russia.

[xeromass]

Russian separatist leader loud-mouthing they shot down an AN-26. It has been deleted since of course.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fvk.com%2Fwall-57424472_7256

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin

[Wild Cobra]

How will the UN respond?
Look for the terrorists maybe?

It is extremely unusual to target an aircraft at 32,000 ft... Another plane would have been on radar... Russia and Ukraine both would know it wasn't an attacking plane at that altitude.

[Wild Cobra]

Russian separatist leader loud-mouthing they shot down an AN-26. It has been deleted since of course.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fvk.com%2Fwall-57424472_7256

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin
Well, the AN-26 doesn't look anything like a 777...

The AN-26 was shot down 3 days ago, it was flying at 6,500 ft.

[xeromass]

It does on radar.

Especially if you don't really know what you are doing.
They could also be shooting at AN-26 and missed it. Again - highly likely if you are faking it.

[Big Empty]

tensions tensions. moved my stock into money markets. just to be safe.

[mercos]

Wow, this shit storm just got kicked up to 11. First impression is that the rebels just threw a big wrench into Putin's plans. Backlash will be considerable, and Europe will be more willing to go along with additional sanctions at this point.

[Infinite_limit]

Ok, I believe we should stay out of most wars. But I hate Russians and 23 Americans were on that plane. Time to show force in the Ukraine.
Another War for Americans to get their ass handed to them?

[pgardn]

Another War for Americans to get their ass handed to them?

We would never get our ass handed to us if we go all in.
Like knocking the crap outta Nazis in WWII and then the Japanese.

But we don't go all in.

[Vito]

Rebels wanted to shoot down ukr. plane AN-26, and after crash all russian news said "rebels shot down ukr. AN-26". But after rebels realized they shot down malasyan plane they started fabricate a lot of version for rebels' innocence. fuck you Russia.