Most manufactured "superstar" in the league, tbh

[AchillesHeel]

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/835255910.gif

[Joyrider]

I don't get it.

[sook]

Good player, but still don't understand how everybody puts him in a tier of the top 5 players in the league. Yea the Pacers are the best team, but a lot of that has to do with all the great pieces they have. He's not manufactured btw, dude is a good 2 way player, just not great.

[benefactor]

Paul George is the truth tbh.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Durant is a superstar without ref help, but he's elevated to the ranks of a megastar with the +3 to 5 bull shit FTA advantage he gets from the refs in any given game (3 to 5 doesn't sound like a lot but it's often game changing when two teams are evenly matched, regardless of whether they're awarded during a critical part of the game or not).

Lebron is the only legitimate modern-day megastar in the game. '11 finals Dirk was probably a legitimate, borderline megastar as well.

I think Harden is the most egregious example of a manufactured superstar. He'd merely be an all-star caliber player without the routine +4 to 6 bull shit FTA advantage he gets from refs in any given game.

[romsey31]

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/835255910.gif

Regardless of whether you think it's a bad call or not he still had to make the shot for it to matter.

You also forgot to post his steal on I T to secure the Ps victory

[romsey31]

While we're on it

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/player-free-throw-attempts-per-game/2013/

Paul g is anything but manufactured tbh, the guy is a jump shooter, he doesn't attack often except on fastbreak, saving his energy for the tenacious d he plays. He's legit, and a top 3 player in the league.

[dirk4mvp]

Harden. He's not particularly good at anything besides "selling" contact.

[jimbo]

Regardless of whether you think it's a bad call or not he still had to make the shot for it to matter.

You also forgot to post his steal on I T to secure the Ps victory

Damn dude, you :downspin:ing that something fierce.

:lol defending that call

[romsey31]

Damn dude, you :downspin:ing that something fierce.

:lol defending that call

Only thing that matters in the nba are wins and losses. I don't get caught up in the ref bitching

[jeebus]

Lebeta and his superfriends. Stern supplies them with HGH and aborted babies to try and give them an edge over the league each year. Unfortunately, those products aren't helping as much as they used to.

[JamStone]

Derrick Rose tbh, even more so than Durant.

-got way overhyped in the draft due to "size and athleticism" for his position, comparing him to a combination of Jason Kidd and Dwyane Wade lol
-couldn't take his own SATs because he probably can't read
-NBA rigged the draft so he could play in his hometown of Chicago and write the next championship chapter after Jordan :lol
-won an MVP award he didn't deserve, as well as affecting LeBron's legacy (the way Karl Malone did Jordan by stealing an MVP from him)
-Adidas "he's fa-ast" campaign brainwashing kids all over the country
-wouldn't recruit LeBron or Wade or Bosh because he didn't "need" them to win
-has only made it out of the first round of the playoffs once, meanwhile his team last season made it out of the first round WITHOUT him
-in the only post season he got out of the first round, went to the free throw line 34 times in the first two games of round 1 to help "jumpstart" his game
-didn't want to "tough it out" even though he was medically cleared to play
-still can't shoot, and now he ain't so "fa-ast" anymore
-dumped by fiance, in love with a stripper
-fake thug, gang signs
-weaker knees than Greg Oden
-Thibodeau thinks he's a bitch

[AchillesHeel]

I don't get it.

Pacers are down 4 with 18 seconds left, ref calls a foul on the desperation 3, which happened to go in, but with the extra free throw they are able to tie the game and win in OT. There was 0 contact on the play and ref was right next to them, he whistled before he even released the ball.

[Clipper Nation]

That's one bad call for PG compared to the million per game that Durantufactured gets :lol

[AchillesHeel]

Good player, but still don't understand how everybody puts him in a tier of the top 5 players in the league. Yea the Pacers are the best team, but a lot of that has to do with all the great pieces they have. He's not manufactured btw, dude is a good 2 way player, just not great.

I mean overall manufactured. The league has been selling him as some KD-Lebron tier player. He's just a great defender with a decent jumper, he's a star for sure, but not a superstar.

[AchillesHeel]

That's one bad call for PG compared to the million per game that Durantufactured gets :lol

Durant is a much better offensive player. Please.

[Clipper Nation]

Durant is a much better offensive player. Please.
Sorry, son, you can't :downspin: the foodstamps that Duripthrough gets :lol

[AchillesHeel]

Sorry, son, you can't :downspin: the foodstamps that Duripthrough gets :lol

Still a better pure shooter, post player and inside scorer. Paul George is a great defender and everything, but he hasn't shown the ability to carry Indiana on offense against Miami in the Playoffs, Lebron owns his soul. 7 points on 2-9 shooting in Game 7 of the ECF, seriously? At least KD put up 30 ppg with Lebron guarding him in the Finals. Imagine KD on that Pacers team.

Pacers have the best defense, but their offense is average. George should be making more plays, 23.6 ppg is good, but it's not elite.

[DMC]

Durant is a superstar without ref help, but he's elevated to the ranks of a megastar with the +3 to 5 bull shit FTA advantage he gets from the refs in any given game (3 to 5 doesn't sound like a lot but it's often game changing when two teams are evenly matched, regardless of whether they're awarded during a critical part of the game or not).

Lebron is the only legitimate modern-day megastar in the game. '11 finals Dirk was probably a legitimate, borderline megastar as well.

I think Harden is the most egregious example of a manufactured superstar. He'd merely be an all-star caliber player without the routine +4 to 6 bull shit FTA advantage he gets from refs in any given game.

Play style has a lot to do with FTA. Other players can do it as well, they just don't. Durant and Harden have the knowledge and wherewithal to actually exploit the fact that refs are human and so they drive the paint and get foul calls. They don't go in recklessly most time, but they do the up and under move and that gets them to the line almost every time. When the defense can learn to counter than or avoid it, it won't be an issue.

I highly doubt the NBA has picked those two to coddle.

[irishock]

So PG is a manufactured superstar because he's not as good as KD/LeBron.

[AchillesHeel]

So PG is a manufactured superstar because he's not as good as KD/LeBron.

Who do you consider superstars? The Kyrie Irvings and John Walls of the league or Lebron and KD?

[thunderup]

AchillesHeel doing work in this thread and H.O.E.N.Ott.

[irishock]

Who do you consider superstars? The Kyrie Irvings and John Walls of the league or Lebron and KD?

Irving is a superstar. I'd no idea only Durant and LeBron are entitled to be superstars.

[Clipper Nation]

H.O.E.N.Ott.
http://i.imgur.com/RhUe7yy.jpg

[Jodelo]

Derrick Rose tbh, even more so than Durant.

-got way overhyped in the draft due to "size and athleticism" for his position, comparing him to a combination of Jason Kidd and Dwyane Wade lol
-couldn't take his own SATs because he probably can't read
-NBA rigged the draft so he could play in his hometown of Chicago and write the next championship chapter after Jordan :lol
-won an MVP award he didn't deserve, as well as affecting LeBron's legacy (the way Karl Malone did Jordan by stealing an MVP from him)
-Adidas "he's fa-ast" campaign brainwashing kids all over the country
-wouldn't recruit LeBron or Wade or Bosh because he didn't "need" them to win
-has only made it out of the first round of the playoffs once, meanwhile his team last season made it out of the first round WITHOUT him
-in the only post season he got out of the first round, went to the free throw line 34 times in the first two games of round 1 to help "jumpstart" his game
-didn't want to "tough it out" even though he was medically cleared to play
-still can't shoot, and now he ain't so "fa-ast" anymore
-dumped by fiance, in love with a stripper
-fake thug, gang signs
-weaker knees than Greg Oden
-Thibodeau thinks he's a bitch

:toast:lmao

[DMC]

Kobe is the most manufactured superstar in the game and it's not even close. Lebron is damn near underrated for what he can actually do for a franchise, but Kobe rode Shaq's nuts for years and came out smelling like D Rose.

The league needed another MJ and they tried really hard to manufacture one. The media needed one worse, and they did everything they possibly could to put Kobe in the forefront no matter what was happening elsewhere in the league.

Paul George is just finding his way up. Kobe was given the golden ticket to the show and now media and Laker fans act like he's the director.

[Double-Up]

Top 3 player in the league? No fucking way, hell let me snort some of that good shit. :lol

[DMC]

Irving is a superstar. I'd no idea only Durant and LeBron are entitled to be superstars.

Sorry, but Irving isn't a superstar. You can call Jeff Ayres a superstar if you want, but he's not. If you put Irving's face on a cereal box, the majority of people seeing it wouldn't have any clue who he is. Can't say that for James, Durant, Kobe etc...

[Double-Up]

Harden. He's not particularly good at anything besides "selling" contact.

He's an excellent slasher and finisher even without the calls...that's just icing on the cake.

[Clipper Nation]

Irving is a superstar.

:lol No he's not, he's an empty-stats-bad-team guy, just like Love....

[romsey31]

Still a better pure shooter, post player and inside scorer. Paul George is a great defender and everything, but he hasn't shown the ability to carry Indiana on offense against Miami in the Playoffs, Lebron owns his soul. 7 points on 2-9 shooting in Game 7 of the ECF, seriously? At least KD put up 30 ppg with Lebron guarding him in the Finals. Imagine KD on that Pacers team.

Pacers have the best defense, but their offense is average. George should be making more plays, 23.6 ppg is good, but it's not elite.


Lol at your bias ness, kd got back swept, pg went 7 games and that's after the pacers lost what was supposed to be their best player in granger and was supposed to probably be a 2nd round exit to ny. Meanwhile Durant couldn't even get past Memphis in the playoffs without Westbrook.


If you're gonna bitch about something at least state the facts. Pg is a superstar deal with it

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Derrick Rose tbh, even more so than Durant.

-got way overhyped in the draft due to "size and athleticism" for his position, comparing him to a combination of Jason Kidd and Dwyane Wade lol
-couldn't take his own SATs because he probably can't read
-NBA rigged the draft so he could play in his hometown of Chicago and write the next championship chapter after Jordan :lol
-won an MVP award he didn't deserve, as well as affecting LeBron's legacy (the way Karl Malone did Jordan by stealing an MVP from him)
-Adidas "he's fa-ast" campaign brainwashing kids all over the country
-wouldn't recruit LeBron or Wade or Bosh because he didn't "need" them to win
-has only made it out of the first round of the playoffs once, meanwhile his team last season made it out of the first round WITHOUT him
-in the only post season he got out of the first round, went to the free throw line 34 times in the first two games of round 1 to help "jumpstart" his game
-didn't want to "tough it out" even though he was medically cleared to play
-still can't shoot, and now he ain't so "fa-ast" anymore
-dumped by fiance, in love with a stripper
-fake thug, gang signs
-weaker knees than Greg Oden
-Thibodeau thinks he's a bitch

:lmao best post ITT

[Buddy Mignon]

Now that Kobe is old this league has no superstars. The media saw this coming and inflated all of these role players knowing you all would sop it up.

[D-Wade]

PG has had more of these than anyone else in recent memory. Started with that phantom foul beyond the arc against Miami in the playoffs last year.

[JohnnyMax]

Derrick Rose

[Mal]

He`s good, he`s got winning attitude, he cares about defense. No his fault that fucking league is what it is.

[KaiRMD1]

George is flashy but he's gotta have a couple seasons of greatness to be that superstar they want.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Play style has a lot to do with FTA. Other players can do it as well, they just don't. Durant and Harden have the knowledge and wherewithal to actually exploit the fact that refs are human and so they drive the paint and get foul calls. They don't go in recklessly most time, but they do the up and under move and that gets them to the line almost every time. When the defense can learn to counter than or avoid it, it won't be an issue.

I highly doubt the NBA has picked those two to coddle.

Refs were specifically instructed to stop calling fouls on that "up and under" move, though, particularly from the triple threat position. They've stopped calling it for almost everyone except for Durant.

[Venti Quattro]

Derrick Rose tbh, even more so than Durant.

-got way overhyped in the draft due to "size and athleticism" for his position, comparing him to a combination of Jason Kidd and Dwyane Wade lol
-couldn't take his own SATs because he probably can't read
-NBA rigged the draft so he could play in his hometown of Chicago and write the next championship chapter after Jordan :lol
-won an MVP award he didn't deserve, as well as affecting LeBron's legacy (the way Karl Malone did Jordan by stealing an MVP from him)
-Adidas "he's fa-ast" campaign brainwashing kids all over the country
-wouldn't recruit LeBron or Wade or Bosh because he didn't "need" them to win
-has only made it out of the first round of the playoffs once, meanwhile his team last season made it out of the first round WITHOUT him
-in the only post season he got out of the first round, went to the free throw line 34 times in the first two games of round 1 to help "jumpstart" his game
-didn't want to "tough it out" even though he was medically cleared to play
-still can't shoot, and now he ain't so "fa-ast" anymore
-dumped by fiance, in love with a stripper
-fake thug, gang signs
-weaker knees than Greg Oden
-Thibodeau thinks he's a bitch

:worthy: :worthy: :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

[HarlemHeat37]

Current: Rose
Previous era: Kobe
Before Kobe: Iverson

[Thread]

Current: Rose
Previous era: Kobe
Before Kobe: Iverson

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[RsxPiimp]

Has to be Durant and Harden.

[HI-FI]

Current: Rose
Previous era: Kobe
Before Kobe: Iverson
pretty much. I bought into teh Rose hype but that's the genius of Stern, instead of wanting to build great teams the NBA wants to sell niggas that can fly.

[Venti Quattro]

pretty much. I bought into teh Rose hype but that's the genius of Stern, instead of wanting to build great teams the NBA wants to sell niggas that can fly.

At least he should make sure that these niggas can read.

[Killakobe81]

DMC so full of shit ... love his "post" work though he Like Dwight tries so hard ...sometimes fails but puts up "numbers".

[Aztecfan03]

-didn't want to "tough it out" even though he was medically cleared to play


Isn't it obvious he was correct now?

[DMC]

Refs were specifically instructed to stop calling fouls on that "up and under" move, though, particularly from the triple threat position. They've stopped calling it for almost everyone except for Durant.

So what? If someone instructed you not to tap your brakes when you see brake lights ahead of you, you'd have a hard time complying. That's because it's a reaction. The whistle is a reaction due to the speed of the game.

[DMC]

DMC so full of shit ... love his "post" work though he Like Dwight tries so hard ...sometimes fails but puts up "numbers".

Is English your primary language?

Your ass puckers anytime anyone besides Kobe gets any credit, even though you feign a semi-neutral appreciation for the spread of talent.

[AchillesHeel]

Lol at your bias ness, kd got back swept, pg went 7 games and that's after the pacers lost what was supposed to be their best player in granger and was supposed to probably be a 2nd round exit to ny. Meanwhile Durant couldn't even get past Memphis in the playoffs without Westbrook.


If you're gonna bitch about something at least state the facts. Pg is a superstar deal with it

No he's not. The only thing he's better at on offense is dunking, KD is literally better in every other aspect on the offensive end.

People were hyping him too much early in the season, talking MVP when he was hot the first 10-20 games, KD has carried a team without Westbrook to the best record in the West, putting up 10 straight 30 point games (just had a triple double on 12-17 shooting with only 7 FTA).

George is not consistent enough to be considered a superstar, and Indiana is stacked as fuck, who does KD have on OKC? Alpha is the only other great player on that team, Reggie Jackson improved a lot this year and is playing out of his mind, Ibaka is just above-average, and that's about it. George has the best defensive center in the league and great defenders at every position. Replace KD with PG and Pacers win against the Heat.

If you watched the 2012 Finals, you'd know that KD was not the problem in that series. The problem was their shitty game plan and their shitty defense. They played a similar style to Miami, which was their achilles' heel. Harden also disappeared and their lack of perimeter defense killed them. The series however was pretty close other than Game 5, KD won Game 1 for his team with 18 points in the 4th, Game 2 Lebron hacked him on the last shot, Game 4 Westbrook intentionally fouls when there's only 5 seconds on the shot clock (with over 10 seconds left in the game, down 3), which wins the game for Miami.

At least KD has been to the Finals.

[Killakobe81]

Is English your primary language?

Your ass puckers anytime anyone besides Kobe gets any credit, even though you feign a semi-neutral appreciation for the spread of talent.

What? I give Lebron and Durant credit on here daily and plenty to Pop and Duncan.
You have Kobe's cum dripping off your mouth daily.
Cant keep him out of your posts.
You can't despise someone THAT much and not have "feelings" ... it's like dem gays that are self-loathng.
Bash other gays in public but hate themselves for it.

Admit you secretly love chuckers or are a reformed one yourself ...

[Thebesteva]

Derrick Rose tbh, even more so than Durant.

-got way overhyped in the draft due to "size and athleticism" for his position, comparing him to a combination of Jason Kidd and Dwyane Wade lol
-couldn't take his own SATs because he probably can't read
-NBA rigged the draft so he could play in his hometown of Chicago and write the next championship chapter after Jordan :lol
-won an MVP award he didn't deserve, as well as affecting LeBron's legacy (the way Karl Malone did Jordan by stealing an MVP from him)
-Adidas "he's fa-ast" campaign brainwashing kids all over the country
-wouldn't recruit LeBron or Wade or Bosh because he didn't "need" them to win
-has only made it out of the first round of the playoffs once, meanwhile his team last season made it out of the first round WITHOUT him
-in the only post season he got out of the first round, went to the free throw line 34 times in the first two games of round 1 to help "jumpstart" his game
-didn't want to "tough it out" even though he was medically cleared to play
-still can't shoot, and now he ain't so "fa-ast" anymore
-dumped by fiance, in love with a stripper
-fake thug, gang signs
-weaker knees than Greg Oden
-Thibodeau thinks he's a bitch

Think you're just kicking a guy when he's down. When healthy, the guy was incredible. He was clearly a notch below a guy like Lebron but he had a ton of potential to get beyond Wade level imo.

[Joyrider]

Think you're just kicking a guy when he's down. When healthy, the guy was incredible. He was clearly a notch below a guy like Lebron but he had a ton of potential to get beyond Wade level imo.

With that atrocious defense, he wasn't getting anywhere near Wade level, imho.

[romsey31]

No he's not. The only thing he's better at on offense is dunking, KD is literally better in every other aspect on the offensive end.

People were hyping him too much early in the season, talking MVP when he was hot the first 10-20 games, KD has carried a team without Westbrook to the best record in the West, putting up 10 straight 30 point games (just had a triple double on 12-17 shooting with only 7 FTA).

George is not consistent enough to be considered a superstar, and Indiana is stacked as fuck, who does KD have on OKC? Alpha is the only other great player on that team, Reggie Jackson improved a lot this year and is playing out of his mind, Ibaka is just above-average, and that's about it. George has the best defensive center in the league and great defenders at every position. Replace KD with PG and Pacers win against the Heat.

If you watched the 2012 Finals, you'd know that KD was not the problem in that series. The problem was their shitty game plan and their shitty defense. They played a similar style to Miami, which was their achilles' heel. Harden also disappeared and their lack of perimeter defense killed them. The series however was pretty close other than Game 5, KD won Game 1 for his team with 18 points in the 4th, Game 2 Lebron hacked him on the last shot, Game 4 Westbrook intentionally fouls when there's only 5 seconds on the shot clock (with over 10 seconds left in the game, down 3), which wins the game for Miami.

At least KD has been to the Finals.

Pay attention, if you read through the thread I said kd is the better player, and btw that 2012 team was more stacked than this current Indy team. 5 games are 5 games, I don't give a shit how close they were or what excuses you want to make, But when your best player doesn't commit to defense and gives up the same amount he's scoring then that cancels him out.

Kd is better than pg but I think in a year or two PG will surpass kd

[AchillesHeel]

Pay attention, if you read through the thread I said kd is the better player, and btw that 2012 team was more stacked than this current Indy team. 5 games are 5 games, I don't give a shit how close they were or what excuses you want to make, But when your best player doesn't commit to defense and gives up the same amount he's scoring then that cancels him out.

Kd is better than pg but I think in a year or two PG will surpass kd

Lebron averaged 29 7 5 on 51/44/78 shooting in the ECF, George can't guard Lebron better than KD because he's not as big as KD is. As far as scoring goes, Lebron averaged 28.6 on 47/19/82 shooting against KD in the Finals, and OKC wasn't nearly as good on defense as Indy. Cmon son.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Think you're just kicking a guy when he's down. When healthy, the guy was incredible. He was clearly a notch below a guy like Lebron but he had a ton of potential to get beyond Wade level imo.

u remember b4 the comeback he was boasting about gaining a extra 7 inch on his vertical? lmao what happen and didnt do shit for him

adidas holding league or team to ransom, cause trading that piece of shit will hurt their shoe sales after giving him t hat stupid 250m shoe deal...fail

[JamStone]

Think you're just kicking a guy when he's down. When healthy, the guy was incredible. He was clearly a notch below a guy like Lebron but he had a ton of potential to get beyond Wade level imo.

Any NBA player that becomes a superstar is obviously already hugely talented. People who criticize Durant don't say he's not a great player. They just say that the bogus extra free throws make him more than he is. Rose was already a very good player. But the league and Adidas wanted to make him the next great superstar of the league before he deserved it, before he earned it. They wanted the next Michael Jordan in Chicago. Rose won that MVP in his third season in the league (he probably should just hand that trophy over to Thibodeau since he's the reason he won it). That's faster than guys like LeBron and Duncan, who had to get to the Finals and win a title before they won theirs. Guys like Shaq, Dirk, Kobe waited 8+ seasons to win an MVP.

Rose wasn't a manufactured superstar in that he was a scrub transformed into a good player. He was a manufactured superstar because even though he was already a good player, he was made out to be something he wasn't yet. He hadn't proven squat in the league when he won an MVP. His team is a .500 team with him then adds Thibodeau and goes from a mediocre defensive team to the best defense in the league, adds a low post scorer in Boozer to balance the offense, wins 62 games, and all of a sudden the league and Adidas want you to believe that it was all Derrick Rose. That's manufactured. He's faa-aast... Yeah I'm sure it was his speed that made the difference from 41 to 62 wins.

[romsey31]

Lebron averaged 29 7 5 on 51/44/78 shooting in the ECF, George can't guard Lebron better than KD because he's not as big as KD is. As far as scoring goes, Lebron averaged 28.6 on 47/19/82 shooting against KD in the Finals, and OKC wasn't nearly as good on defense as Indy. Cmon son.

Great job googling brig.while ur at it Google how much times kd actually guarded bron

And lol at the fact that u actually think kd defends better

[AchillesHeel]

Great job googling brig.while ur at it Google how much times kd actually guarded bron

I didn't use google, I just went to B-ref and checked the numbers, there's hardly any difference only that OKC was just a bit more successful at it, since he couldn't shoot worth a lick outside the paint. They used Ibaka on him inside like Indy used Hibbert but it didn't work because Bron was just too fast for anyone. KD was often on him but it got him into foul trouble since refs call a foul on anyone that tries to stop Bron from driving inside for a layup.

My point is that neither George nor KD can stop Bron from getting his, but at least KD can match Bron on the offensive end, George can't.

[romsey31]

George can this year and has across the board. PG is the better two way player.of the two (kd and.pg). You are using.playoff numbers from pgs third year in the league. This year they are.not.that far off

[8FOR!3]

Idk about manufactured, other than LeBron or KD he'd be the next SF I'd take out of anybody in the league.

[Venti Quattro]

AchillesHeel doing some work

[AchillesHeel]

Told y'all

[MeloHype]

:lol

[benefactor]

Paul George is the truth tbh.
rofl me

[Killakobe81]

Told y'all

Not at first ...:nope

[Venti Quattro]

Told y'all

How's the backpedal doing?

[AchillesHeel]

How's the backpedal doing?

lol losing to the shitty Hawks at home :lmao

[Leetonidas]

George can this year and has across the board. PG is the better two way player.of the two (kd and.pg). You are using.playoff numbers from pgs third year in the league. This year they are.not.that far off

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Venti Quattro]

:lmao Paul George
:lmao not worth a shit against LeBron
:lmao catfish
:lmao manufactured