Game 44: Spurs @ Heat, Jan 26, Noon CT

[ElNono]

jumper, jumper, jumper, jumper, jumper, jumper, jumper

[slick'81]

Wow just wow fck this game

[Baam]

Pop should stop quitting so easily tbh, it's disgraceful...

[ElNono]

we keep sending them to the line... bad combo

[Brazil]

you know, we actually had a chance.

Shit we had a chance ?

[RD2191]

Parker is too wimpy for todays basketball, we need a taller non wimpy PG

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Get Manu out. This one's a laugher.

That piece of shit scrub is part of the cleanup crew, tbh. He's not good enough to deserve rest on the bench in a laugher.

[Beaverfuzz]

Fuck this noise.

[Darius Bieber]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2vzmkimuZ1qfkfpao1_500.gif

Anyone else thinking this Spurs unit is good is full of themselves.. 1-9 vs. decent teams... Beating bad teams isn't gonna help come playoff time.

[ElNono]

:pop: "Ball didn't go in"

[Chomag]

I was expecting this loss, but i had no idea spurs where going to play this timidly. They look freaking scared and timid out there.

[Raven]

game is over obviously...

[RD2191]

You can't tell me Malcolm Thomas wouldn't of been better help than Jeffers?

[Beaverfuzz]

Anyone else thinking this Spurs unit is good is full of themselves.. 1-9 vs. decent teams... Beating bad teams isn't gonna help come playoff time.


It will the first round, you just hope that the bad teams beat the good teams in the first as well! :)

[LakerHater]

http://i42.tinypic.com/2qw0lr4.jpg

[Brazil]

Curry had 36 points/12 assists against Miami this season. What's Parker's excuse? Tony sure loves to dominate Euros in irrelevant international competitions but can't do shit in the games that actually matter.

Johnny dingo ladies and gentlemen

[DPG21920]

Well, it's still early and there are a lot of injuries to the Spurs, but Manu since the "hammy"...Not great. Ok in a game or two, but overall, it's quite alarming that this hamstring popped up again with some similar consequences. I really, really hope this isn't the same as last year for Manu.

[r0drig0lac]

You can't tell me Malcolm Thomas wouldn't of been better help than Jeffers?
yes, front office missed

[ElNono]

did Tony looks pissed, tbh?

[DapDaGenius]

They should upset...fuckin' pathetic. I don't even feel like watchin' this game, but I will.

[Chomag]

I know many are still in denial but Spurs need allot of work if they want to go deep in the playoffs.

[polandprzem]

jumper, jumper, jumper, jumper, jumper, jumper, jumper
When you are not established inside and you can't slash inside then you are forced to shoot bad shots.


Game over btw

[Diego20]

did Tony looks pissed, tbh?

He always looks pissed when he doesn't score more than 20 points.

[ElNono]

we're good, tbh... couple of adjustments and getting the starters back and we'll be in good shape...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PahzOqPctdg/UMiikqgS_OI/AAAAAAAADE8/Y93vp3xCdcM/s1600/Mohammed_Saeed_al-Sahaf.jpg

[RD2191]

Spurs ain't getting past the 2nd this year.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

I know many are still in denial but Spurs need allot of work if they want to go deep in the playoffs.

:lmao who the hell is in denial? 99% of people here think the spurs don't have a legitimate shot right now. That's like the prevailing opinion on spurstalk at the moment.

[SpursRock20]

I know many are still in denial but Spurs need allot of work if they want to go deep in the playoffs.
My biggest problem is with Tony tbh. He is supposed to be our best player but he has just not looked great against the very good teams, especially on defense.

[Johnny RIngo]

Two of our stars(Tony/Manu) can't do shit against Miami. Not surprising we're losing like this without Leonard(who was our 2nd best player in the Finals).

[weebo]

The game ended when Duncan couldn't get back quick enough on the PNR.

[DMC]

Bob sighting lol

[polandprzem]

we're good, tbh... couple of adjustments and getting the starters back and we'll be in good shape...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PahzOqPctdg/UMiikqgS_OI/AAAAAAAADE8/Y93vp3xCdcM/s1600/Mohammed_Saeed_al-Sahaf.jpg

:lol


right on q

[SpursRock20]

The game ended when Duncan couldn't get back quick enough on the PNR.
Duncan is not to blame for this loss.

[james evans]

we suck

[r0drig0lac]

I know many are still in denial but Spurs need allot of work if they want to go deep in the playoffs.
can be sure that some will say is coasting, with the most varied reasons for thinking so

[szkorhetz]

Spurs ain't getting past the 1st this year.
Fixed

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Leonard's perimeter D and Splitter's interior D put us maybe +10 in this game. We need one of Tony or Manu to have an all star caliber game in addition to that to beat Miami.

[weebo]

Duncan is not to blame for this loss.

On defense, I beg to differ.

[r0drig0lac]

we're good, tbh... couple of adjustments and getting the starters back and we'll be in good shape...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PahzOqPctdg/UMiikqgS_OI/AAAAAAAADE8/Y93vp3xCdcM/s1600/Mohammed_Saeed_al-Sahaf.jpg
inb4

[Ice009]

Game over. Spurs suck, first round exit... Gonna be 4th or 5th in the Playoff seeding.. Might as well get a good pick and tank.

Are you serious? What kind of pussy are you?

[smaka]

Prepare for the meltdown.

[Chomag]

Yeah TD's PnR defense has been worrying me. IT's been such a drop off this season, it's starting to become a weakness thats getting exploited by teams.

[Spurs_Be_Beastin']

im done watching. This games over, Good game by Timmy, the only dude that showed up today for the Spurs.
We wont be seeing him for the rest of this game so yea, its over

[Darius Bieber]

Are you serious? What kind of pussy are you?

Not a pussy. I'm just not in denial. Expected loss today, but Spurs are showing NO effort at all.

[SpursRock20]

On defense, I beg to differ.
Okay, but he negated that with his offensive play. Your point?

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs never get back to the finals the year after they've been there. It's a forgone conclusion we will suck hard this year and get out in the 2nd round. Front office is full retards. Any athletic guy we have lets cut them

[TDTPMG21920]

such a shitty fanbase smh...

[Diego20]

Things I don't understand.. When Manu scored 29 points he only played 24 minutes, today he sucks yet he played 21 minutes.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

I love Pop's move of keeping Manu in the game. Manu needs to understand that if he's going to play like a srub, then he deserves scrub cleanup duties.

[LakerHater]

& TV is switched off!

[Libri]

Manu :lol

[DPG21920]

:lmao Manu

[jARS mEsH sEt]

:lmao that Manu turnover

[ElNono]

As HI-FI would say, at least we got to see DeColo...

[BatManu20]

Just take Manu out.. he doesn't need to be playing now anyways.

[ElNono]

lol Turnobili

[slick'81]

Yeah TD's PnR defense has been worrying me. IT's been such a drop off this season, it's starting to become a weakness thats getting exploited by teams.


Timmys been struggling on the pNr for a a few seasons now tbh

[RD2191]

such a shitty fanbase smh...
Why don't you shut the **** up?

[Raven]

the question now is: will we allow 120+ points or no?

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Just take Manu out.. he doesn't need to be playing now anyways.

Well, Spurs' scrubs need to be playing and Manu is a scrub. Thus, he needs to be playing.

[DapDaGenius]

The game ended when Duncan couldn't get back quick enough on the PNR.

lol Weebo

[RD2191]

Tank, tbh we need a high draft pick to pair with Kawhi, trade the big 3 to the Hawks, am I right?

[Chomag]

wtf shot was that mills?

[poop]

Only big is 6-8 ayers..no rebounding, no interior defense. What a surprise.

[Libri]

Baynes shot, comeback begins :D

[weebo]

Okay, but he negated that with his offensive play. Your point?

He's suppose to anchor the defense and play well defensively in order for the Spurs to have a chance to beat a great team…he doesn't necessarily have to score 20 pts a game for the Spurs to win anymore.

[Raven]

Tank, tbh we need a high draft pick to pair with Kawhi, trade the big 3 to the Hawks, am I right?

fuck you.

[DPG21920]

Manu last 4 games: 4-22 shooting.

[Baam]

The "super bench" of Mills-Beli-Manu getting humiliated like they were against OKC's bench...

[TheGoldStandard]

Only big is 6-8 ayers..no rebounding, no interior defense. What a surprise.

Front office got us a 6'5 sf.. he tore up the ymca

[Chomag]

fucking hell!

[LakerHater]

on that note thier chant has made me hungry..."Lets go eat, lets go eat"!

[Libri]

never mind

[DapDaGenius]

Same thing with OKC....they look so damn annoying.

[r0drig0lac]

Will the Spurs can score 10 in the last 12 minutes?

[timtonymanu]

Hope SpurPadre realizes how important our 3 guys are now.

Just look at this awful defense and since Parker and Manu are awful right on cue, would have been nice to have Leonard.

[HI-FI]

As HI-FI (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=34236) would say, at least we got to see DeColo...

:lol

though tbh, i should've just slept in instead of watching this shit.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Manu last 4 games: 4-22 shooting.

Where's ElNono to somehow spin this stat into a positive? :rollin

[SpursRock20]

Tank, tbh we need a high draft pick to pair with Kawhi, trade the big 3 to the Hawks, am I right?
Why do you waste your time spewing bullshit on this board every game? Serious question.

[Boomersgold]

The "super bench" of Mills-Beli-Manu getting humiliated like they were against OKC's bench...
And we're down 18+ points because of them, right?

[RD2191]

fuck you.
:lmao

[TheGoldStandard]

Where's ElNono to somehow spin this stat into a positive? :rollin

He had to miss all those shots to keep the spurs humble

[RD2191]

Why do you waste your time spewing bullshit on this board every game? Serious question.
I like to bait whiners like you, tbh.

[Brazil]

Tank, tbh we need a high draft pick to pair with Kawhi, trade the big 3 to the Hawks, am I right?

:cry I'm not Mexican :cry spurs suck :cry

[Baam]

Need to pack Mills, Beli and Splitter for two way players tbh, the big 3 is not good enough anymore to carry one dimensional scrubs, Boris, Green, Kawhi play both ends at least... Beli was a bad addition, zero upgrade over Neal like expected...

[Boomersgold]

Kawhi's probably more valuable to the team than Manu AND Parker at this point.

[ElNono]

Where's ElNono to somehow spin this stat into a positive? :rollin

When he shot well, we lost... see the Portland game...

I rather he score 20+ though :lol

[Capt Bringdown]

http://tucsongrowup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Missing_Wheel.jpg

[Ice009]

Mills failed the test for me today. I was looking for him to show up, that's one of the main things that I was looking for out of tonight's game, but unfortunately he didn't show up against another good team. I think I would be willing to package him if a team wanted him in a trade.

[SpursRock20]

He's suppose to anchor the defense and play well defensively in order for the Spurs to have a chance to beat a great team…he doesn't necessarily have to score 20 pts a game for the Spurs to win anymore.
Way to dodge the question. Yes, he didn't play well on the defensive end, but his offense made up for that. No way he was a net negative tonight, let alone the reason we lost.

[Johnny RIngo]

Things I don't understand.. When Manu scored 29 points he only played 24 minutes, today he sucks yet he played 21 minutes.

:lol thinking Portland is a comparable team to Miami. Can't really count on Manu against the teams that actually DO play defense.

[Brazil]

Where's ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) to somehow spin this stat into a positive? :rollin

The avpg is the same than career

[DapDaGenius]

Tank, tbh we need a high draft pick to pair with Kawhi, trade the big 3 to the Hawks, am I right?

Front Office: What's that? Draft another PG?

[Juggity]

He's suppose to anchor the defense and play well defensively in order for the Spurs to have a chance to beat a great team…he doesn't necessarily have to score 20 pts a game for the Spurs to win anymore.

He does anchor the defense. You'd have to be blind not to see that. The issue is he needs Splitter for help defending PNR due to his advanced age and lack of lateral quickness. PNR is just one aspect of defense.

[TheGoldStandard]

Shouldn't the glue be dry on Tiago paper mache splitter.

[313]

Front office got us a 6'5 sf.. he tore up the ymca
Good thing they waived that shot blocker for this guy

[SpursRock20]

I like to bait whiners like you, tbh.
Just an honest question. Not whining. Good to know that you are a troll and not just a fucking moron.

[RD2191]

:lmaoSensitive Spur fan

[RD2191]

Just an honest question. Not whining. Good to know that you are a troll and not just a fucking moron.
:lmao

[Darius Bieber]

Called it tbh... Miami going in raw and winning by 30+.

[weebo]

He does anchor the defense. You'd have to be blind not to see that. The issue is he needs Splitter for help defending PNR due to his advanced age and lack of lateral quickness. PNR is just one aspect of defense.

...and that's why I said that's when the game ended…the minute the heat started running PnR with Duncan the heat started getting any shot the wanted.

[TheGoldStandard]

Good thing they waived that shot blocker for this guy

He was too athletic, made Timmy, Bonner, and baynes feel bad

[RD2191]

Don't get mad at me because the Spurs are sucking major wiener.

[BatManu20]

This is a preview of what Spurs basketball is going to look like in a couple years tbh.. enjoy Duncan and Pop while you still can. It's going to be ugly.

[ElNono]

lmao forum infested with Manu haters again

[TheGoldStandard]

This is a preview of what Spurs basketball is going to look like in a couple years tbh.. enjoy Duncan and Pop while you still can. It's going to be ugly.

This is how it looks already tbh

[DapDaGenius]

Man, anytime we knock the ball away from them, it just seems like we bobble it around and they get it back.

[313]

He had to miss all those shots to keep the spurs humble

[Darius Bieber]

This is a preview of what Spurs basketball is going to look like in a couple years tbh.. enjoy Duncan and Pop while you still can. It's going to be ugly.

What do you mean preview? It's already here.

[RD2191]

lmao forum infested with Manu haters again
Manu has been a key part of our pretty good record this season, what sucks is that we suck against good teams even with Manu playing well.

[weebo]

lmao forum infested with Manu haters again

It was hardly Manu's fault. It was a total team debacle.

[Johnny RIngo]

Kawhi's probably more valuable to the team than Manu AND Parker at this point.

Come playoff time, yes. Parker's a choke artist in the post-season and Manu has been terrible since 2011. Can't really count on either one in the playoffs.

[RD2191]

What do you mean preview? It's already here.
:lolExactly

[TheGoldStandard]

I've said this before and history indicates they won't make it to the finals this season. Start shopping everything except big 3 for next season

[r0drig0lac]

no one is sure how it will be

[Raven]

Don't get mad at me because the Spurs are sucking major wiener.

none is mad, you're irrelevant.

[DapDaGenius]

Jeffers...lol

[r0drig0lac]

This is a preview of what Spurs basketball is going to look like in a couple years tbh.. enjoy Duncan and Pop while you still can. It's going to be ugly.
no one is sure how it will be

[RD2191]

none is mad, you're irrelevant.
LOL

[Chomag]

lol that shot by the guy the replaced Thomas.

[TheGoldStandard]

Jeffers...lol

Front office will probably get more OJs scouring the YMCAs of the world

[weebo]

wow, Jeffers clanking a wide open 10 footer :lol

[DPG21920]

Manu has been a key part of our pretty good record this season, what sucks is that we suck against good teams even with Manu playing well.

There is a difference in losing a game and sucking. Spurs even though they have lost to the elite teams haven't always sucked. Today they sucked. Manu has been great pre-hammy. The trajectory is mirroring last year though and that is not a good thing. Only hope is he can rebound and doesn't nose dive like he did last year (with regards to how he was playing pre-hammy).

[TheGoldStandard]

wow, Jeffers clanking a wide open 10 footer :lol

That would have worked in iowa

[Boomersgold]

Jeffrey Offerman....How the hell did he average 20 points in the D-League with a jumper like that?

[TheGoldStandard]

Jeffrey Offerman....How the hell did he average 20 points in the D-League with a jumper like that?
Nando was baby Jordan in the d league

[SpurPadre]

We would've lost even if Leonard, Green and especially Splitter played today. We're missing one element that will make contenders respect us and its not due to injury.

[ElNono]

I'll be the first to tell you Gino didn't have a good game... as long as he's healthy, not really concerned though

[r0drig0lac]

We would've lost even if Leonard, Green and especially Splitter played today. We're missing one element that will make contenders respect us and its not due to injury.

[Chomag]

We would've lost even if Leonard, Green and especially Splitter played today. We're missing one element that will make contenders respect us and its not due to injury.

Sush you! don't speak truth bombs here. dont want to offend the homers

[ElNono]

Miami is back to back champs and a great team... losing to them, even whole, shouldn't be a shock

[BatManu20]

Sooo Jeffers is pretty bad.

[Juggity]

We would've lost even if Leonard, Green and especially Splitter played today. We're missing one element that will make contenders respect us and its not due to injury.

What is that?

[SpurPadre]

Jeffrey Offerman....How the hell did he average 20 points in the D-League with a jumper like that?
You mean Othello, the moor? He's pure Shakespeare on the hardwood! Who will pickup next, a player named Capulet?

[timtonymanu]

We would've lost even if Leonard, Green and especially Splitter played today. We're missing one element that will make contenders respect us and its not due to injury.

There you go again. "Especially" Splitter? Having these 3 guys helps Duncan not carry the load on defense. Youre really being too hard on Tiago. Yeah we probably don't win this game but it wouldn't have been impossible.

[szkorhetz]

What is that?
Someone who can make his own shot, TBH.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

This was a tough one, but we are missing 3 starters, so it was unlikely from the start to win this one

[SpursRock20]

There is a difference in losing a game and sucking. Spurs even though they have lost to the elite teams haven't always sucked. Today they sucked. Manu has been great pre-hammy. The trajectory is mirroring last year though and that is not a good thing. Only hope is he can rebound and doesn't nose dive like he did last year (with regards to how he was playing pre-hammy).
I've said it once and I'll say it again. A team like the Heat who like to focus on defending the opposing team's ball handler are never going to let Manu do his thing. There pick and roll defense is elite and that is how Manu begins any possession with the ball in his hands. Not much Manu can do when the Heat choose to double him after the screen every possession. Their length (like OKC) disallows many of the passes that Manu can pull off against less-disciplined teams. It didn't happen today, but Belinelli will need to really help Manu out if we are fortunate to face Miami again in the finals. His shooting and play-making ability are arguably just as good as Manu's at their respective stages in their careers. Manu literally had no help with the second unit last season.

Again with his hammy, let's just hope it is a mental ailment and Manu is not wanting to risk an unnecessary injury in January.

[Chomag]

Sooo Jeffers is pretty bad.

Yeah still cant see why the FO gave up money they had in Thomas to get this scrub. Thomas looked pretty good in the mill game, he just needed to get confidence back in his shot.

[r0drig0lac]

Someone who can make his own shot, TBH.
something that takes lots in brooklyn, so bet on them to beat the heat

[BatManu20]

Tired of Bonner being on this team. I wonder if any team even signs him when we don't this off season.

[SpurPadre]

What is that?
Athleticism

[DapDaGenius]

We would've lost even if Leonard, Green and especially Splitter played today. We're missing one element that will make contenders respect us and its not due to injury.

What is that element?

[ElNono]

15pt game... we're back!!!@!@1211111

[ElNono]

Baynes!

[DapDaGenius]

Nice slam by Baynes.

[Juggity]

Bench actually making the score more respectable

[Chomag]

lol @ heat fans leaving when game isnt even near over.

[szkorhetz]

We could really use Jr Smith, TBH.

[Raven]

belinelli with a team high -22

[SpurPadre]

Tired of Bonner being on this team. I wonder if any team even signs him when we don't this off season.
Towel boy and if he plays his cards right, human launch pad for players who want to practice dunking.

[DPG21920]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. A team like the Heat who like to focus on defending the opposing team's ball handler are never going to let Manu do his thing. There pick and roll defense is elite and that is how Manu begins any possession with the ball in his hands. Not much Manu can do when the Heat choose to double him after the screen every possession. Their length (like OKC) disallows many of the passes that Manu can pull off against less-disciplined teams. It didn't happen today, but Belinelli will need to really help Manu out if we are fortunate to face Miami again in the finals. His shooting and play-making ability are arguably just as good as Manu's at their respective stages in their careers. Manu literally had no help with the second unit last season.

Again with his hammy, let's just hope it is a mental ailment and Manu is not wanting to risk an unnecessary injury in January.

Sure, Miami's PnR defense is elite. We all know this. But Spurs haven't been playing MIA every game and Manu has still struggled (especially the last 4 games). His shot is really wayward and his ast/to ratio is terrible (again last 4 games). Could be a slump but with the same hammy being injured it sure is scary.

With regards to MIA specifically, Manu still has so much room for improvement. He has to be willing to shoot more and he has to shoot straight. He also has to look to drive more consistently when MIA switches all the time. Those are all within his control.

[weebo]

our scrubs are better than theirs :lobt2:

[Chomag]

Well, we can say that our scrubs are still better then the heats scrubs!

[r0drig0lac]

Athleticismbeasley would 30mpg playing at Spurs,that is what this team is poorly athletic

[SpurPadre]

What is that element?
Athleticism

[r0drig0lac]

We could really use Jr Smith, TBH.
Monta Ellis would have been perfect in our system, derrick williams also

[poop]

Baynes can actually rebound and match up with actual bigs..as well as score in the low block.


Why does pop insists on throwing 6-8 stone-hands ayers out there instead of baynes.????

[weebo]

...and if we had lebron on our team we would beat the heat

[Chomag]

lol @ Roger Mason shitting on the Spurs.

[weebo]

Money Mase!

[ElNono]

Monta Ellis would have been perfect in our system, derrick williams also

:lol Monta is terrible... it isn't about the "system" with him... he's still taking bad shots early in the clock and looking for his

[SpursRock20]

NBA move by Jeffers.

[Libri]

Mason still in the NBA?

[DapDaGenius]

Athleticism

Oh okay, agreed.

[Juggity]

jeffers with some hops

[timtonymanu]

Baynes can actually rebound and match up with actual bigs..as well as score in the low block.


Why does pop insists on throwing 6-8 stone-hands ayers out there instead of baynes.????

According to the GOAT poster, T Park, he can't play defense.

[blkroadrunners]

OJ reminds me of Tony Allen

[SpursRock20]

Baynes can actually rebound and match up with actual bigs..as well as score in the low block.


Why does pop insists on throwing 6-8 stone-hands ayers out there instead of baynes.????

Jim Boylen.

[Chomag]

:lol Monta is terrible... it isn't about the "system" with him... he's still taking bad shots early in the clock and looking for his

Meh , we did alright with a chucker like that with Neal, and Elis is much better.

[r0drig0lac]

:lol Monta is terrible... it isn't about the "system" with him... he's still taking bad shots early in the clock and looking for his
you clearly have not seen Ellis play

[szkorhetz]

I like de Colo tonight, TBH.

[james evans]

miami moves without the ball. our problem is that we don't move without the ball. i don't blame them, cuz it's not like parker is gonna see them or even pass it to them when they cut to the basket

[ElNono]

Meh , we did alright with a chucker like that with Neal, and Elis is much better.

yeah, but Neal didn't make what Ellis makes

[BatManu20]

100 point streak stays alive! This calls for a celebration

[Juggity]

:wow spurs actually broke 100

[ElNono]

you clearly have not seen Ellis play

I have and I'm not the only one with that opinion... go take a look in the NBA forum... it's littered all over there... cost the Mavs at least 3-4 games with terrible shot selection

[SpursRock20]

miami moves without the ball. our problem is that we don't move without the ball. i don't blame them, cuz it's not like parker is gonna see them or even pass it to them when they cut to the basket
Offense isn't our problem. We have been scoring very well this season. It is our defense that really needs help. Having our best defender (Leonard), second best defender (Splitter), and fourth best defender (Green) on the bench didn't help today.

[r0drig0lac]

:wow spurs actually broke 100
more important to Miami did not score 130

[RD2191]

According to the GOAT poster, T Park, he can't play defense.
:lmao

[SpurPadre]

Offense isn't our problem. We have been scoring very well this season. It is our defense that really needs help. Having our best defender (Leonard), second best defender (Splitter), and fourth best defender (Green) on the bench didn't help today.
Oh splitter on the floor helped Miami quite a lot in the finals.

[TheGoldStandard]

Offense isn't our problem. We have been scoring very well this season. It is our defense that really needs help. Having our best defender (Leonard), second best defender (Splitter), and fourth best defender (Green) on the bench didn't help today.

We can't rely on paper mache

[r0drig0lac]

Offense isn't our problem. We have been scoring very well this season. It is our defense that really needs help. Having our best defender (Leonard), second best defender (Splitter), and fourth best defender (Green) on the bench didn't help today.
I agree, more an offense without players who can create their own will not work at critical moments in the playoffs

[SpursRock20]

Sure, Miami's PnR defense is elite. We all know this. But Spurs haven't been playing MIA every game and Manu has still struggled (especially the last 4 games). His shot is really wayward and his ast/to ratio is terrible (again last 4 games). Could be a slump but with the same hammy being injured it sure is scary.

With regards to MIA specifically, Manu still has so much room for improvement. He has to be willing to shoot more and he has to shoot straight. He also has to look to drive more consistently when MIA switches all the time. Those are all within his control.

Let's just hope that he is being hesitant and doesn't want to push it. Watching him today, he looked as if he was not going all-out. Obviously, his intensity has been his calling card throughout his career. When he begins to be an on-looker at there, he doesn't have much value.

[justinandimcool]

:lol offense is not a problem

Our go to play in the 3rd when the Heat turned the pressure on was running loop for 2 straight Tony jumpshots from 20 feet. Brick, brick.


Same story vs OKC as well.

[BatManu20]

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[SpursRock20]

Oh splitter on the floor helped Miami quite a lot in the finals.
Oh, I agree. But it wasn't his defense that was the problem in the Finals. It was his offense. More Diaw and less Splitter should help against the Heat. My point is that we are okay on the offensive end. Defense is the most worrying.

[SpurPadre]

We can't rely on paper mache
Chalmers dunked on him and blocked like two of his shots in the finals. The entire heat team had boners when he was on the floor.

[CitizenDwayne]

:lmao Monta Ellis, really?

If he was on the Spurs, he would be receiving unprecedented levels of hate on this board.

[SpursRock20]

:lol offense is not a problem

Our go to play in the 3rd when the Heat turned the pressure on was running loop for 2 straight Tony jumpshots from 20 feet. Brick, brick.


Same story vs OKC as well.

Those were bad decisions by Tony, agreed. We went away from what works. But our defense was far more worrying in the 3rd quarter. The Heat got everything they wanted on the offensive end.

[james evans]

Offense isn't our problem. We have been scoring very well this season. It is our defense that really needs help. Having our best defender (Leonard), second best defender (Splitter), and fourth best defender (Green) on the bench didn't help today.
defense will always be our problem when we have one of the worst defensive pgs in the whole league. even with those guys playing, parker allows his man to blow past him cuz he's been spoiled his whole career with a prime duncan and other defenders. well duncan isn't in his 20s or early 30s anymore. he's got to man up and play some fukin defense but i'm sure he doesn't know how to.

[BatManu20]

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[SpursRock20]

defense will always be our problem when we have one of the worst defensive pgs in the whole league. even with those guys playing, parker allows his man to blow past him cuz he's been spoiled his whole career with a prime duncan and other defenders. well duncan isn't in his 20s or early 30s anymore. he's got to man up and play some fukin defense but i'm sure he doesn't know how to.

Very true. I don't have the numbers but he used to play respectable defense through the majority of his career. Now I notice that he barely tries to get past screen nowadays and far too often loses his man.

[cd021]

Baynes can actually rebound and match up with actual bigs..as well as score in the low block.


Why does pop insists on throwing 6-8 stone-hands ayers out there instead of baynes.????

I really don't think Baynes can be effective or consistent against a playoff teams second unit in the post season. He looks alright in garbage time or in 2nd quarters on random nights.

[SpurPadre]

Oh, I agree. But it wasn't his defense that was the problem in the Finals. It was his offense. More Diaw and less Splitter should help on the defensive end. My point is that we are okay on the offensive end. Defense is the most worrying.
Yeah but the offense should still be a concern because we're relying too much on the three ball and low percentage shots. We don't have enough player who can consistently drive to the lane and recover back on the other end fast enough to play some d. We're simply lacking athleticism and it affects both ends.

[r0drig0lac]

:lmao Monta Ellis, really?

If he was on the Spurs, he would be receiving unprecedented levels of hate on this board.
unless the person really watch basketball and not just keep repeating something to look smart

[cd021]

****Amazing Stat****

Last 3 games for Diaw (shooting 3's)

2-2 vs. OKC
3-4 vs. ATL
3-3 vs. MIA
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=8-9 3pt (88%)

[james evans]

Very true. I don't have the numbers but he used to play respectable defense through the majority of his career. Now I notice that he barely tries to get past screen nowadays and far too often loses his man.
respectable as in not letting his man score 30? hahaha. the only finals he didn't let a pg get off was 2007 and that was gibson and pavlovic(sp?). billups, kidd, and chalmers(in crucial games) did their normal or above normal work to him.

[TheGoldStandard]

****Amazing Stat****

Last 3 games for Diaw (shooting 3's)

2-2 vs. OKC
3-4 vs. ATL
3-3 vs. MIA
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=8-9 3pt (88%)
He would hit more if he didn't pump fake so much

[SpursRock20]

Yeah but the offense should still be a concern because we're relying too much on the three ball and low percentage shots. We don't have enough player who can consistently drive to the lane and recover back on the other end fast enough to play some d. We're simply lacking athleticism and it affects both ends.
True. I believe that there are concerns on both ends. But if I was looking to add a piece before the playoff push, I would rather grab up someone known for shutting down his opponent before getting someone who can put the ball in the hole. To me, our primary need is a 3/4 that can play defense and is able to spell either Leonard or Duncan/Splitter for a combined 25 minutes (at least) a night. If Ayres is still in the rotation and Leonard is our sole SF when the playoffs roll around, the Spurs FO messed up.

[cd021]

Spurs do seem to struggle against length+athleticism.

Parker, Mills, Beli, and Manu all were kept in check. Only Duncan and Diaw could really score.

[SpursRock20]

respectable as in not letting his man score 30? hahaha. the only finals he didn't let a pg get off was 2007 and that was gibson and pavlovic(sp?). billups, kidd, and chalmers(in crucial games) did their normal or above normal work to him.
Too many posters like you on this board nowadays. You love to disagree with someone just for the sake of disagreeing. Really ruins the quality of this board.

[Budkin]

When do we have our full roster back again? 2.5 weeks?

[SpursRock20]

When do we have our full roster back again? 2.5 weeks?
I'd say that Leonard won't be back for another 4 weeks.

[james evans]

Too many posters like you on this board nowadays. You love to disagree with someone just for the sake of disagreeing. Really ruins the quality of this board.
am i lying? and u can always use the block feature. it cost u nothing to do so.

[Chomag]

1-10 and people are still in denial. Good teams find a way to win. I did expect this loss though and the injuries didnt help.

[SpursRock20]

am i lying?
Pretty much. Parker has never really been a bad defender in his career. Lately, however, he has looked very lackadaisical on the defensive end.

[SpurPadre]

I think it's time the team has a closed door meeting and talk about this business of not beating contenders. Even without key players, Manu has said it's gotten to their heads and that has to stop now.

[cd021]

He would hit more if he didn't pump fake so much

He doesn't do it nearly as much as he did during the 11-12 playoff run. When he does now, his defender steps up to contest and he blows by them for a layup. I saw that like 3 times today. He is spending significantly more time on the perimeter. That is a very good thing for our offense, in terms of spacing.

[Johnny RIngo]

Those were bad decisions by Tony, agreed. We went away from what works. But our defense was far more worrying in the 3rd quarter. The Heat got everything they wanted on the offensive end.

Tony's been like this his whole career. He's a mid-volume scorer that can't maintain his efficiency in the post-season. His chokejobs date back all the way to 2004. Spurs will never win a championship with TP as our first option.

[BatManu20]

It's cool guys, Spurs are beating the Knicks now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Be7wOHvCAAEajDK.jpg

[timtonymanu]

I think it's time the team has a closed door meeting and talk about this business of not beating contenders. Even without key players, Manu has said it's gotten to their heads and that has to stop now.

Well thankfully it isn't March/April yet. I would hate to see the Spurs peak in January and February only to falter towards the playoffs.

That being said, I would be very disappointed and believe in the team less if they can't acquire another perimeter defender. They desperately need one cause all the elite teams in the NBA (minus Indiana) are all perimeter oriented, athletic teams. The Spurs can't hang with that as currently constructed.

[SpursRock20]

Tony's been like this his whole career. He's a mid-volume scorer that can't maintain his efficiency in the post-season. His chokejobs date back all the way to 2004. Spurs will never win a championship with TP as our first option.
You are too hard on Tony. I know this is the day and age that everyone is in love with the PG, but they are really overvalued. You are not going to win a championship with ANY point guard as your first option. Not Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams, etc.

[james evans]

Pretty much. Parker has never really been a bad defender in his career. Lately, however, he has looked very lackadaisical on the defensive end.
haha, lately as in how many years? are u forgetting dragic's 21 point 4th quarter 2010. or 2009 when barea was driving on him at will in the first round against the mavs? he's never been a great defender.. timmy was just younger and could recover quicker.

[SpursRock20]

Well thankfully it isn't March/April yet. I would hate to see the Spurs peak in January and February only to falter towards the playoffs.

That being said, I would be very disappointed and believe in the team less if they can't acquire another perimeter defender. They desperately need one cause all the elite teams in the NBA (minus Indiana) are all perimeter oriented, athletic teams. The Spurs can't hang with that as currently constructed.

This.

[james evans]

It's cool guys, Spurs are beating the Knicks now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Be7wOHvCAAEajDK.jpg
haha. i had to rewind that back on the dvr. wtf

[SpursRock20]

haha, lately as in how many years? are u forgetting dragic's 21 point 4th quarter 2010. or 2009 when barea was driving on him at will in the first round against the mavs? he's never been a great defender.. timmy was just younger and could recover quicker.
Never said he was a great defender, I said he used to be a respectable defender.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

I've said this before and history indicates they won't make it to the finals this season. Start shopping everything except big 3 for next season

Well, history also indicates that the Heat won't make it to the Finals this year, so the question is are we good enough to beat OKC, Houston, Portland, and Indiana?

*Thinks about it*

No, no we're not :lol

Let the shopping begin..

[SpurPadre]

haha. i had to rewind that back on the dvr. wtf
We're just so good at beating losers, whenever one is losing, everybody thinks it's because we're the ones playing them.

[SpurPadre]

You are too hard on Tony. I know this is the day and age that everyone is in love with the PG, but they are really overvalued. You are not going to win a championship with ANY point guard as your first option. Not Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams, etc.
You have a good argument there but the bulls would beg to differ. And the only way the clippers can win is with Paul going superhuman and as the first option.

[Johnny RIngo]

You are too hard on Tony. I know this is the day and age that everyone is in love with the PG, but they are really overvalued. You are not going to win a championship with ANY point guard as your first option. Not Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams, etc.


How many PGs are in the perfect situation(smart coach, good big, deep bench) like Tony is in? We probably beat the Heat last year if we had Paul playing in Parker's place. Curry too.

Even as a 2nd option, Tony was terrible. Remember 2004 when he went 7-23 against the Lakers in the pivotal game 5? He's been disappointing Spurs fans for a long time.

[SpursRock20]

You have a good argument there but the bulls would beg to differ. And the only way the clippers can win is with Paul going superhuman and as the first option.

Rose was MVP for a reason, I'll give you that. But to your Clipper argument...that's the precise reason why the Clippers won't win a championship. I give them some chance because Griffin is really beginning to develop into a more well-rounded player, but Paul can not carry a team in the playoffs. His numbers are great, but there is really no such thing as a dominant point guard in the NBA. They are important, yes, but they can't be your first option. Too much deviation from the mean from game to game for my taste.

[SpursRock20]

How many PGs are in the perfect situation(smart coach, good big, deep bench) like Tony is in? We probably beat the Heat last year if we had Paul playing in Parker's place. Curry too.
Come on man. Tony was astounding last year. Don't forget he injured his hammy last year in the Finals. That would affect any player to a great degree.

[Killakobe81]

If there was a drinking game for how many times ESPN mentions Game 6, I'd be dead by the 2nd Quarter.

How many did they? Missed Most of first half/pre game. Duncan looked real good ...

[timtonymanu]

How many did they? Missed Most of first half/pre game. Duncan looked real good ...

Barely. Maybe 3-4 times. Most talk was about the game at hand.

[SpurPadre]

How many PGs are in the perfect situation(smart coach, good big, deep bench) like Tony is in? We probably beat the Heat last year if we had Paul playing in Parker's place. Curry too.
No, we beat the heat in six for SEVERAL reasons we could've controlled but choked away. And TP was the reason we won game 1 with that clutch jumper. He manned up in the finals and did the best he could, playing injured.

[Johnny RIngo]

Come on man. Tony was astounding last year. Don't forget he injured his hammy last year in the Finals. That would affect any player to a great degree.

If his hammy was bothering him why did he take 23 shots in game 6? He kept missing and missing when he should have been passing to Duncan or Leonard.

[TheGoldStandard]

How many PGs are in the perfect situation(smart coach, good big, deep bench) like Tony is in? We probably beat the Heat last year if we had Paul playing in Parker's place. Curry too.

Even as a 2nd option, Tony was terrible. Remember 2004 when he went 7-23 against the Lakers in the pivotal game 5? He's been disappointing Spurs fans for a long time.

Lol, Parker wasn't our biggest flaw last year, dude was getting covered by LeBron and rushed on PnR, despite that we had the lead in the closeout game until Pop decided to roll with scrub unit for 7 minutes into the game. Then we couldn't hit FT's and turned the ball over.. We need a 2nd scorer which we don't have.

[SpursRock20]

If his hammy was bothering him why did he take 23 shots in game 6? He kept missing and missing when he should have been passing to Duncan or Leonard.

Why does that matter? The system doesn't change if you tweak a hammy. You also answered your own question in a way. His hammy was certainly bothering him based on how poorly he shot.

[Johnny RIngo]

Lol, Parker wasn't our biggest flaw last year, dude was getting covered by LeBron and rushed on PnR, despite that we had the lead in the closeout game until Pop decided to roll with scrub unit for 7 minutes into the game. Then we couldn't hit FT's and turned the ball over.. We need a 2nd scorer which we don't have.

I never said Parker was our biggest flaw. Ginobili was worse, obviously. But, for some reason, everybody seems to find excuses for TP when he's been choking in the playoffs for a long time.

[SpursRock20]

I never said Parker was our biggest flaw. Ginobili was worse, obviously. But, for some reason, everybody seems to find excuses for TP when he's been choking in the playoffs for a long time.
He played very well last year in the playoffs up until he injured his hamstring. It's not an "excuse", it's a reason. Thinking that we could just plug in another elite PG for Tony and automatically win a championship is just laughable.

[Johnny RIngo]

Why does that matter? The system doesn't change if you tweak a hammy. You also answered your own question in a way. His hammy was certainly bothering him based on how poorly he shot.

He shouldn't have taken 23 shots if his hammy was bothering him.

[RD2191]

He shouldn't have taken 23 shots if his hammy was bothering him.

[TheGoldStandard]

I never said Parker was our biggest flaw. Ginobili was worse, obviously. But, for some reason, everybody seems to find excuses for TP when he's been choking in the playoffs for a long time.

Chris Paul would be looking to lob the ball to who? The dude is not a 1st scoring option and the Spurs need a scoring PG in this "system"

[TheGoldStandard]

Who else would have shot the ball? Manu? Neal? Green?

We don't have a 2nd scorer

[timtonymanu]

He shouldn't have taken 23 shots if his hammy was bothering him.

This. Also he had LeBron on him, Kawhi was the hot hand but he still insisted on hero balling us out of the game.

[SpursRock20]

He shouldn't have taken 23 shots if his hammy was bothering him.
Our offense is run through our PG and it relies on him to take quite a few shots. I'm sure you watched it, Parker (even with the hurt hammy) was the only one who could create his own shot in the Finals. Can't create a new gameplan on the fly in the Finals.

[SpurPadre]

This. Also he had LeBron on him, Kawhi was the hot hand but he still insisted on hero balling us out of the game.
He hit a HUGE 3 in LeBron's face that should've been the knockout blow but Manu missed a free throw, kawhi missed a free throw and we lost a rebound with TD on the bench.

[TE]

Working on something ATM, will have the write up in a bit.

[Johnny RIngo]

Chris Paul would be looking to lob the ball to who? The dude is not a 1st scoring option and the Spurs need a scoring PG in this "system"

Paul averaged 22 ppg in the playoffs last year. Not to mention, he's a career 20 ppg scorer in the post-season.
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[ElNono]

Did CP3 get out of the 2nd round yet?

[ElNono]

This has been Tony's team for a while though... it's clear we'll need a better version of Tony to go anywhere...

[Johnny RIngo]

Did CP3 get out of the 2nd round yet?

Kobe fan in 2010: Has Lebron ever won a championship?

Sometimes the inferior player has better talent/coaching.

[TheGoldStandard]

Paul averaged 22 ppg in the playoffs last year. Not to mention, he's a career 20 ppg scorer in the post-season.
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Easy to average those numbers during 1 playoff series each year. Parker had similar numbers last season in the playoffs despite teams running there best at him

[ElNono]

well, I personally wouldn't place CP3 and Lebron on the same level...

[Johnny RIngo]

well, I personally wouldn't place CP3 and Lebron on the same level...

I wouldn't place Tony and Kobe on the same level either but you get the point.

[Sean Cagney]

Well thankfully it isn't March/April yet. I would hate to see the Spurs peak in January and February only to falter towards the playoffs.

That being said, I would be very disappointed and believe in the team less if they can't acquire another perimeter defender. They desperately need one cause all the elite teams in the NBA (minus Indiana) are all perimeter oriented, athletic teams. The Spurs can't hang with that as currently constructed.
YEP

[Killakobe81]

Parker and Pop take too much heat on this site. Spurs are great team. Duncan is a all time great big. Pop a genius Manu a great competitor truly one of the best. But Spurs best players are all past their prime. Except Parker and KL . Thought a Finals rematch was inevitable but the losses to elite teams is worrisome.

[HI-FI]

Tony's been like this his whole career. He's a mid-volume scorer that can't maintain his efficiency in the post-season. His chokejobs date back all the way to 2004. Spurs will never win a championship with TP as our first option.
this.

[timtonymanu]

Parker and Pop take too much heat on this site. Spurs are great team. Duncan is a all time great big. Pop a genius Manu a great competitor truly one of the best. But Spurs best players are all past their prime. Except Parker and KL . Thought a Finals rematch was inevitable but the losses to elite teams is worrisome.

Still early to count the Spurs out, but you're right. To get to the Finals, the Spurs are going to have to challenge teamas they are currently struggling against. I hope we pull off a trade of some kind. Also need to get healthy, which is always our issue.

[r0drig0lac]

Parker and Pop take too much heat on this site. Spurs are great team. Duncan is a all time great big. Pop a genius Manu a great competitor truly one of the best. But Spurs best players are all past their prime. Except Parker and KL . Thought a Finals rematch was inevitable but the losses to elite teams is worrisome.
Really? I thought that none of the two teams could come again this year, but miami reloaded, and has a better chance that the Spurs