Where does Jeff Ayers rank as far as...

[313]

...worst signings in Spurs history(that gets consistent minutes)? A lot of people hate RJ for how much he cost, but at least he brought SOMETHING to the table. Same with Bonner.

What is Ayers good at? WE DON'T KNOW *kanye voice*

[RD2191]

:lolJeff Ayres is a piece of crap and shows just how hypocritical Pop is. He refused to play Splitter his first year but gives Ayres minutes like he's the 2nd coming. Bullshit. But no. Pop shall never be questioned. Fuck that and fuck the front office for screwing Tim Duncan.

[RD2191]

And how come no one mentions Andray Blatche? He's playing pretty damn good for the Nets. Spurs front office screws up again.

[monkeypunk]

If Ayres can learn to freaking catch then this is a different conversation.

Comparing him to RJ is apples and tangerines at this point. RJ was a way worse signing for the salary alone. And at least Ayres is aggressive once he catches the ball...

[313]

If Ayres can learn to freaking catch then this is a different conversation.

Comparing him to RJ is apples and tangerines at this point. RJ was a way worse signing for the salary alone. And at least Ayres is aggressive once he catches the ball...

but he can't catch, and when he does, he fumbles the basketball, and when he doesn't fumble it, he misses the dunk.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

And how come no one mentions Andray Blatche? He's playing pretty damn good for the Nets. Spurs front office screws up again.

Not gonna lie but I think about Blatche being in a Spurs uniform a few times a week. No kidding man. That's what it has come to for the Spurs in terms of bigs. I can't help but feel he was a missed opportunity.

[RD2191]

Not gonna lie but I think about Blatche being in a Spurs uniform a few times a week. No kidding man. That's what it has come to for the Spurs in terms of bigs. I can't help but feel he was a missed opportunity.
He's doing pretty damn good as a backup coming off the bench. He is way more offensively polished that Jeff Errors. He may be garbage on defense but its not like Jeff is some sort of defensive monster either.

[RD2191]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J83BHqGhlZQ

[RD2191]

Jeff blows dunks even when being set up perfectly.

[hsxvvd]

Should have signed Pendergraph instead.

[Leetonidas]

Francisco Elson part two tbh...although they're opposite in a way. Elson couldn't catch the ball to dunk it but Ayres can't dunk the ball once he catches it :lol

[jeebus]

Francisco Elson part two tbh...although they're opposite in a way. Elson couldn't catch the ball to dunk it but Ayres can't dunk the ball once he catches it :lol
was the church of francisco elson bumped every time he scored a point or got a rebound? cuz that's how desperate Errors supporters are these days. :cry "see guys! he ran up the floor! you're just haters!" :cry

[Spur|n|Austin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J83BHqGhlZQ

Damn. That sure would be nice to have on the roster.

[Prime Time]

Ayres is a pretty flat player. He doesn't contribute a whole lot, but it's not like he slows down the Spurs when he's on the floor.

The thing about Baynes or really the majority of bench bigs is the fact they're too slow or immobile to really run the system San Antonio wants. That's a big reason why Spurs are so interested in smaller bigs (Gooden, Thomas, McDyess, Blair, to name a few.)

A great example would be the Splitter-Duncan front-court. Splitter is damn quick for a 7-footer, but even then he temps down the offense. But the main benefit from him is his defensive presence, something the Spurs haven't had in a while.

Ayres is blah outside of his mobility/hustle. I know that, but I don't understand why ST makes it sound like he belongs in the D-League. Spurs fans have gotten a prime look at REAL D-League bigs. Eric Dawson, Malcolm Thomas, Dwyane Jones, etc.

[jeebus]

The thing about Baynes or really the majority of bench bigs is the fact they're too slow or immobile to really run the system San Antonio wants. That's a big reason why Spurs are so interested in smaller bigs (Gooden, Thomas, McDyess, Blair, to name a few.)

Agreed. The Spurs have suffered the past few seasons with Duncan as the main big because he isn't as fast as the younger guys. It really needs to be Ayres/Splitter as the starters once Splitter returns from his injury. And you're right about Baynes as well. When he went up against Pedoman and Oden in the 2nd half, the Spurs really couldn't get anything done with him as the only big on the floor. On the other hand, with Ayres as the only big man against Oden/Pedo, the Spurs flourished and let the deficit balloon from a dozen points to 25+.

I know that's just yesterday's game but there are plenty other times when Diaw and Ayres are on the court and rebounding efficiency goes through the roof because they're so athletic. Besides, the Spurs have never won a title with slow bigs.

[RD2191]

Damn. That sure would be nice to have on the roster.
For sure, he is trash on defense but as a backup he would be a nice asset.

[TheGoldStandard]

Blatche also could have been had for around the same price as Ayres.

If I'm not mistaken Elson was averaging 9/9 per 36 during the 2007 season

[wildcardX]

And how come no one mentions Andray Blatche? He's playing pretty damn good for the Nets. Spurs front office screws up again.

Yeah, wasn't there a rumor that the Spurs wanted him before the Nets picked him up. Or he was trying for a roster spot the same year as Eddie Curry?

[RD2191]

Yeah, wasn't there a rumor that the Spurs wanted him before the Nets picked him up. Or he was trying for a roster spot the same year as Eddie Curry?
I honestly don't remember. I though the Spurs passed on him a season or two ago. I could be completely wrong though.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs are full of contradictions, won't sign a player who doesn't play defense yet we carry Bonner and Ayres..

[exstatic]

but he can't catch, and when he does, he fumbles the basketball, and when he doesn't fumble it, he misses the dunk.

You need to turn your calendar from 2013 to 2014.

[Juggity]

I'm not defending Ayres as a b-ball player. but as a dunker? he already has more than any other spur this season.

People saying he can't dunk or fumbles every dunk are objectively wrong. Early in the season, sure. But now? Probably the most athletic dunker on the team.

Again, not defending his basketball skill overall.

[exstatic]

I'm not defending Ayres as a b-ball player. but as a dunker? he already has more than any other spur this season.

People saying he can't dunk are objectively wrong.

Haters gonna hate. He's been playing great this month, and NOW another hate thread on him?

[313]

Haters gonna hate. He's been playing great this month, and NOW another hate thread on him?
Ok, I was wrong, he's not missing dunks anymore but he's still fumbling the ball at quite an alarming rate. And define playing "great"...

[jeebus]

And define playing "great"...
hmmm

- being a traffic cone on defense
- being ignored on offense unless completely wide open
- playing like shit unless it's against the Jazz/Bucks
- basically turning the Spurs into a 4 man squad when he's on the floor

[Hoops Czar]

Ayres was brought in to stretch the defense with his outside shooting touch, in turn, making Bonner expendable and come off the bench to help protect the rim. He does none of that. His only asset to the team so far has been his ability to make wide open dunks. He only makes those at a 60% clip which is atrocious. He's complete garbage. I'm not sure if Ayres was the worst signing but he ranks right up there as the most futile.

[exstatic]

Ok, I was wrong, he's not missing dunks anymore but he's still fumbling the ball at quite an alarming rate. And define playing "great"...

He's been dunking effectively, he's hitting the glass well, and he's shown both an occasional jumper, and the ability to finish around the rim with both hands. People here have actually called him overpaid, but he makes about 1/3 of the average NBA salary.

[HarlemHeat37]

Ayres has had 1 impressive stretch all season, which was his defense against Anthony Davis..

Outside of that, he hasn't shown anything to make me believe he's an NBA rotation player, tbh..

[DMC]

Ayres is an up and coming superstar in this league, just like Kawhi.

[DMC]

He's been dunking effectively, he's hitting the glass well, and he's shown both an occasional jumper, and the ability to finish around the rim with both hands. People here have actually called him overpaid, but he makes about 1/3 of the average NBA salary.

Suits him since he catches about 1/3 of the passes.

[jeebus]

Suits him since he catches about 1/3 of the passes.
:lol


/thread

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Suits him since he catches about 1/3 of the passes.

:rollin

[timtonymanu]

Not even close to the worst signings on the Spurs, but he's awful.

Like Harlem said, I've only been impressed with him during the New Orleans game where he guarded Davis very well.

He has his moments, but he's mostly been bad. I'm not convinced he's going to turn the corner. If I'm proven wrong, then so be it.

[cd021]

And how come no one mentions Andray Blatche? He's playing pretty damn good for the Nets. Spurs front office screws up again.

He is but, He was coming off a train wreck finish for the Wizards. They were who were a laughing stock at the time. It was unknown that he would revive his career.But he could have helped as a floor spacer.

[phxspurfan]

He's better than Bonner

[Budkin]

Absolutely terrible signing. I don't understand how someone that cannot even catch a basketball (you know the first thing you learn to do with a ball) is being paid to play in the NBA. It's ludicrous.

[Raven]

Absolutely terrible signing. I don't understand how someone that cannot even catch a basketball (you know the first thing you learn to do with a ball) is being paid to play in the NBA. It's ludicrous.

sounds like dwerts description tbh

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If Ayres can learn to freaking catch then this is a different conversation.

Comparing him to RJ is apples and tangerines at this point. RJ was a way worse signing for the salary alone. And at least Ayres is aggressive once he catches the ball...

It has much more to do that his shitty hands. How about he try and put his hands up as someone 4 inches shorter than him drives to the basket. Jumping might help too. His rotations even when he makes them at the proper time, are worthless pieces of shit.

Which pairing is worse? Bonner/Blair or Bonner/Ayres. I am going with the latter.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ayres is a pretty flat player. He doesn't contribute a whole lot, but it's not like he slows down the Spurs when he's on the floor.

The thing about Baynes or really the majority of bench bigs is the fact they're too slow or immobile to really run the system San Antonio wants. That's a big reason why Spurs are so interested in smaller bigs (Gooden, Thomas, McDyess, Blair, to name a few.)

A great example would be the Splitter-Duncan front-court. Splitter is damn quick for a 7-footer, but even then he temps down the offense. But the main benefit from him is his defensive presence, something the Spurs haven't had in a while.

Ayres is blah outside of his mobility/hustle. I know that, but I don't understand why ST makes it sound like he belongs in the D-League. Spurs fans have gotten a prime look at REAL D-League bigs. Eric Dawson, Malcolm Thomas, Dwyane Jones, etc.

If you think Baynes cannot run the floor as well if not better than Ayres then you are retarded. Baynes is athletic for his size.

[Prime Time]

If you think Baynes cannot run the floor as well if not better than Ayres then you are retarded.
Well, isn't that an efficient way to state an opinion.

There's more to the system than running the floor. You have to be quick on your feet, ignore fouling, make the right pass, and hit shots consistently (Whine all you want about those 4 missed dunks, Ayres is shooting 7ppg on .739% in the past 6 games.)

I just can't imagine Duncan/Baynes co-existing. Maybe Tiago/Baynes, but even then we're back to the problem where Baynes just isn't that good. And unlike Ayres, Baynes isn't quick enough to get himself open shots. Ayres is a silky kind of guy, he can sneak past defenders for an open dunk. Baynes on the other hand would just run over anyone in his path. Another factor is Baynes' competition, where Ayres plays against actual role players Baynes only gets time when bench warmers are on the floor. And even then Ayres is statically more efficient than Baynes in a good amount of aspects.

But I will admit, Baynes has some offensive talent that bursts signs of potential. He could be an asset if he worked on his overall mobility and learned to play within himself instead of trying to do too much (The fact he attempts more shots than Ayres in less time and worst percentages would be a vintage example of that.)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, isn't that an efficient way to state an opinion.

There's more to the system than running the floor. You have to be quick on your feet, ignore fouling, make the right pass, and hit shots consistently (Whine all you want about those 4 missed dunks, Ayres is shooting 7ppg on .739% in the past 6 games.)

I just can't imagine Duncan/Baynes co-existing. Maybe Tiago/Baynes, but even then we're back to the problem where Baynes just isn't that good. And unlike Ayres, Baynes isn't quick enough to get himself open shots. Ayres is a silky kind of guy, he can sneak past defenders for an open dunk. Baynes on the other hand would just run over anyone in his path. Another factor is Baynes' competition, where Ayres plays against actual role players Baynes only gets time when bench warmers are on the floor. And even then Ayres is statically more efficient than Baynes in a good amount of aspects.

But I will admit, Baynes has some offensive talent that bursts signs of potential. He could be an asset if he worked on his overall mobility and learned to play within himself instead of trying to do too much (The fact he attempts more shots than Ayres in less time and worst percentages would be a vintage example of that.)

When have you seen Baynes 'just run over a guy?' It's the post not tiddly winks and anyone can run to the front of the rim when their man leaves them. Ayres 'sneaking,' my ass.

Baynes can hit a 15 foot jump shot. The only other bigs that can do that are Diaw and Duncan ie those are guys that can space the floor. That is what pairings are about. Things that players can actually do. Ayres gets his touches from other people spacing the floor and drawing double teams. You need to pair him with one of the guys that can shoot to work ie you cannot put Ayres with Splitter. Ayres' man will always be near the rim.

Most of what you say are emotional qualifications like 'not that good.' At least Baynes puts his hands up and tries to defend the rim and can create his own shot. Hell, he even sets better screens.

[Boomersgold]

People forget that we signed him for only $3,578,750 for 2 years. That's pretty cheap for what he produces.

[Hoops Czar]

People forget that we signed him for only $3,578,750 for 2 years. That's pretty cheap for what he produces.

Indiana wasn't willing to give him more than the minimum. That would be about right.

[jeebus]

I just can't imagine Duncan/Baynes co-existing. Maybe Tiago/Baynes, but even then we're back to the problem where Baynes just isn't that good. And unlike Ayres, Baynes isn't quick enough to get himself open shots. Ayres is a silky kind of guy, he can sneak past defenders for an open dunk. Baynes on the other hand would just run over anyone in his path. Another factor is Baynes' competition, where Ayres plays against actual role players Baynes only gets time when bench warmers are on the floor. And even then Ayres is statically more efficient than Baynes in a good amount of aspects.

:lmao

First off, why would it be a Duncan/Baynes pairing? Diaw should be the one starting during this Splitter injury. Baynes should be Duncan's backup, plain and simple, with Ayres backing up Boner or preferably off the team.

"Ayres is a silky kind of guy, blah blah blah" :lol. That's called running the offense. Any player can run up, set a screen for the ballhandler's guy and he'll end up wide open. Ayres can do it, Baynes can do it, Nando can do it, anyone. That's not being sneaky at all. And that small play is the only reason why Errors even sniffs the ball on offense, if he can catch it. I won't even bring up his defense because there's no point in bringing up that shit storm again.

And you hit the nail on the head about competition. Ayres' only "good" games came against the shittiest competition in the league, against the Bucks and Jazz(not counting his defense against Davis). And the only reason Baynes hasn't been allowed to go against the starters is because Pop is an idiot when it comes to playing him. He's had maybe 3-5 games where he got solid minutes all game. The only way Ayres' stats even look good is because he's just tagging along while the rest of the teams carries his useless ass.

I guarantee if Baynes had been playing the whole season like Errors has, he would've been a solid backup to Tim and there'd be just about no debate about it, except for the people who cry about every little thing. So we're stuck with an undersized PF who can't create his own shot, can't dream of playing defense, and is only here because of our new braindead assistant coach... instead of a much needed backup SF to Kawhi.

[Baam]

:lmao

First off, why would it be a Duncan/Baynes pairing? Diaw should be the one starting during this Splitter injury. Baynes should be Duncan's backup, plain and simple, with Ayres backing up Boner or preferably off the team.

"Ayres is a silky kind of guy, blah blah blah" :lol. That's called running the offense. Any player can run up, set a screen for the ballhandler's guy and he'll end up wide open. Ayres can do it, Baynes can do it, Nando can do it, anyone. That's not being sneaky at all. And that small play is the only reason why Errors even sniffs the ball on offense, if he can catch it. I won't even bring up his defense because there's no point in bringing up that shit storm again.

And you hit the nail on the head about competition. Ayres' only "good" games came against the shittiest competition in the league, against the Bucks and Jazz(not counting his defense against Davis). And the only reason Baynes hasn't been allowed to go against the starters is because Pop is an idiot when it comes to playing him. He's had maybe 3-5 games where he got solid minutes all game. The only way Ayres' stats even look good is because he's just tagging along while the rest of the teams carries his useless ass.

I guarantee if Baynes had been playing the whole season like Errors has, he would've been a solid backup to Tim and there'd be just about no debate about it, except for the people who cry about every little thing. So we're stuck with an undersized PF who can't create his own shot, can't dream of playing defense, and is only here because of our new braindead assistant coach... instead of a much needed backup SF to Kawhi.

:wow Truthbomb.

Ayres is good at running around but his defensive instincts are pretty bad... Baynes = same skillset as Tim, defensive minded center with a midrange jumpshot, but somehow they felt like they needed a midget who is mostly good at running... I don't get it, never will. Same thing with Beli, Beli is the worst guard you could get, not a combo guard who can run the point next to Manu and not a defensive minded wing either...

[Prime Time]

:lmao

First off, why would it be a Duncan/Baynes pairing? Diaw should be the one starting during this Splitter injury. Baynes should be Duncan's backup, plain and simple, with Ayres backing up Boner or preferably off the team.

"Ayres is a silky kind of guy, blah blah blah" :lol. That's called running the offense. Any player can run up, set a screen for the ballhandler's guy and he'll end up wide open. Ayres can do it, Baynes can do it, Nando can do it, anyone. That's not being sneaky at all. And that small play is the only reason why Errors even sniffs the ball on offense, if he can catch it. I won't even bring up his defense because there's no point in bringing up that shit storm again.

And you hit the nail on the head about competition. Ayres' only "good" games came against the shittiest competition in the league, against the Bucks and Jazz(not counting his defense against Davis). And the only reason Baynes hasn't been allowed to go against the starters is because Pop is an idiot when it comes to playing him. He's had maybe 3-5 games where he got solid minutes all game. The only way Ayres' stats even look good is because he's just tagging along while the rest of the teams carries his useless ass.

I guarantee if Baynes had been playing the whole season like Errors has, he would've been a solid backup to Tim and there'd be just about no debate about it, except for the people who cry about every little thing. So we're stuck with an undersized PF who can't create his own shot, can't dream of playing defense, and is only here because of our new braindead assistant coach... instead of a much needed backup SF to Kawhi.
:lmao

My argument was how Ayres isn't as bad as people make him out to be, and why he gets more time than Baynes. And the reason would be that he's quicker and he plays within himself, as Baynes chucks up a lot of shots during his limited time. Duncan wouldn't pair up well with that. If we're talking why Baynes should be a back-up big, then I can see your logic a bit more. He IS active in his minutes (6rpg in 17mpg in the past 3 games).

:lol:lol Bullshit. Not just any big-man can do what Ayres does in terms of setting picks and moving without the ball. If it was so easy, why does Baynes take nothing but jumpers and hook shots? This goes back to the case where Spurs fans are just getting spoiled. After Blair and Splitter, one must just assume any big-man can run the pick well.

Here's a fun game - Lets make everything Ayres does positive sound like shit, and make anything Baynes does well glorified and franchise saving despite going against much weaker competition. ST seems to have fun playing that.

[SpurSwag]

There was a point where this thread was justifiable but to his credit ayers has improved a good amount over the course of the season. Clearly his hands are his weakness tho, as he often can't make the catch or blows the dunk

[bklynspursfan]

Catching passes from TP and especially Manu aren't always easily. Especially in traffic where he usually catches it. I've seen TD fumble some of those passes despite playing with them for so long. I don't know why people don't see that lol. Dude is in his first season and still trying to adapt to where they pass. And let's be honest, sometimes the passes are low and not put in a good position. Did he bobble a few catchable ones? of course... But nobody on the team doesn't make mistakes. His are just incredibly magnified for whatever reason.

What they need to do is treat him how Chandler was in New Orleans and just lob it up instead of a bounce pass. He has a better chance of catching/ finishing that.

[TheGoldStandard]

Ayres worse feature is defense because he doesn't have that killer instinct. He doesn't contest enough shots, doesn't have a physicality to him and is more so trying to draw a charge which he ends up getting put on his ass with an and 1.

His hands can be improved with practice but this dude is too much of a project for production especially at 27. Doesn't make sense how he leap frogged Baynes in minutes.

I think Ayres was a "well we went after athleticism" move by front office after the fact.

[TheGoldStandard]

Catching passes from TP and especially Manu aren't always easily. Especially in traffic where he usually catches it. I've seen TD fumble some of those passes despite playing with them for so long. I don't know why people don't see that lol. Dude is in his first season and still trying to adapt to where they pass. And let's be honest, sometimes the passes are low and not put in a good position. Did he bobble a few catchable ones? of course... But nobody on the team doesn't make mistakes. His are just incredibly magnified for whatever reason.

What they need to do is treat him how Chandler was in New Orleans and just lob it up instead of a bounce pass. He has a better chance of catching/ finishing that.

Lobs? That's not the way the spurs do business

[bklynspursfan]

Lobs? That's not the way the spurs do business

Ha... That's true. But neither is dunking and we've done our fair share of that this year. I'm just saying they should play into his strong suit. He doesn't have incredibly long arms either, so throwing it up, I feel he's got a better chance of catching/finishing than having to reach down

[Johnny RIngo]

He's been dunking effectively, he's hitting the glass well, and he's shown both an occasional jumper, and the ability to finish around the rim with both hands. People here have actually called him overpaid, but he makes about 1/3 of the average NBA salary.

Ayres has a 22% turnover percentage. That's pretty bad for a big that isn't even expected to create his own offense. Worst on the Spurs too. Only 40 players in the NBA have a worse TOV% than him.

[Sean Cagney]

Ayres has a 22% turnover percentage. That's pretty bad for a big that isn't even expected to create his own offense. Worst on the Spurs too. Only 40 players in the NBA have a worse TOV% than him.

He sucks...

[Chomag]

At first I was angry and frustrated watching his fuck-ups but now I try to find it humerus.. it's help my blood pressure lots, that being after a few beers of course :toast

After a few the Dude looks funny as hell fumbling over himself out there.