Is Ayers done as a rotation player?

[ElNono]

Pop looked extremely mad when he pulled him out, and he didn't play a minute since...

Is this the end of the season for Ayers?

[look_at_g_shred]

Doubt it man....with Duncan probably gettin rest tomorrow, I expect 20+ minutes tomorrow from him

[FireMicoHalili]

Ayres :lol Jeffers :rollin

[TheGoldStandard]

Dude gets a contract extension next year tbh

[Budkin]

Please God waive him... or something.

[TheGoldStandard]

Probably gets picked up for 2015 while we let Boris walk.

[313]

Max 7 year contract.

[HI-FI]

Loyalty/legacy contract coming.

[ElNono]

yah, wouldn't surprise me if he starts tomorrow... on the other hand, I wouldn't mind seeing Baynes taking his minutes.

[TheGoldStandard]

Max 7 year contract.
Pop will institute the 4 down system again

[jeebus]

yah, wouldn't surprise me if he starts tomorrow... on the other hand, I wouldn't mind seeing Baynes taking his minutes.
And not "hey bayne, go in there, do hack a dwert even if it doesn't work. thanks bruh"

[FireMicoHalili]

Jeff McDonald is loving this. Hey man if you're reading this, cheers!

[AntiChrist]

When DRob was 37, he had the luxury of a prime TD next to him. Tim only has Boris.

[TheGoldStandard]

When DRob was 37, he had the luxury of a prime TD next to him. Tim only has Boris.

He's got Prime Ayres.. Ayres is in fact in his prime years.

[FireMicoHalili]

Come on guys...no. Pop loves him. He's going to stick around like Bonner.

[AntiChrist]

He's got Prime Ayres.. Ayres is in fact in his prime years.

I know you are joking, but think of the bigs Tim has played with since 50 retired.

[TheGoldStandard]

I know you are joking, but think of the bigs Tim has played with since 50 retired.

It's just more of the same... but they were all in there prime.

[apalisoc_9]

Nope.

Jim Boylen.

Assistants are pretty influential tbh.

[AntiChrist]

It's just more of the same... but they were all in there prime.

But none of them HOF caliber, with the exception of Horry. And Horry never played well until it really mattered.

[TheGoldStandard]

But none of them HOF caliber, with the exception of Horry. And Horry never played well until it really mattered.

FO was hungry then and were able to get long players and fill in gaps during those years. After 2007 the FO gave up and tried to make a splash with RJ but that was a failure because of RJ being passive and the system. If we don't somehow luck into a draft pick or picking up a player we don't try to get players that fill a need and improve our defense or length.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Hope so, but tbh it's not like baynes is any better. Still though I would like to see baynes getting a chance to fail rather than watching him rot on the bench.

[timtonymanu]

Why he's even a rotation player, I don't get. Other than playing great defense against Anthony Davis, he has done nothing that convinces me he's good.

[DMC]

We'll let him walk and Dallas will snatch him up and have a temple built for him until December.

[DMC]

Hope so, but tbh it's not like baynes is any better. Still though I would like to see baynes getting a chance to fail rather than watching him rot on the bench.

Baynes isn't in NBA shape. He cannot get up and down without being winded.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs are keeping there eyes peeled for other 3rd string bigs who are on minimum contracts they can overpay to pair with ayres..

[DJR210]

We'll let him walk and Dallas will snatch him up and have a temple built for him until December.

Fucking this. I'm 100% sure he's already in talks with Cuban.

[Prime Time]

I don't think Baynes will be any more efficient with his minutes, but hell I'd like to see him get some PT against Chicago. The biggest difference between Baynes and Ayres (Other than their size/quickness levels) is the fact Ayres NEEDS the system to get buckets, while Baynes is better at creating his own shit. With San Antonio's best play-makers most likely sitting out tomorrow, expect an invisible Ayres tbh.

As for the OP's question, I seriously doubt it. Pop is Pop, to put it short.

[spurraider21]

i'm sure in his time here so far he has picked up the necessary corporate knowledge to enjoy a long career here. he'll be sitting next to Ime in about 12 years

sons in 15 years we'll have Head Coach Ayers

[Johnny RIngo]

FO was hungry then and were able to get long players and fill in gaps during those years. After 2007 the FO gave up and tried to make a splash with RJ but that was a failure because of RJ being passive and the system. If we don't somehow luck into a draft pick or picking up a player we don't try to get players that fill a need and improve our defense or length.

2007 summer was the most embarrassing or the front office. Celtics/Lakers both got better that year while SA stood pat with an old decaying roster. Then they go and offload the only decent asset they had. Trading a top international player(Scola) to a division rival because you need to save money. Holt can go fuck himself.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Can be another trade fodder piece.. with his pretty decent two year contract for a big. But I guess the Spurs will want to live with him till Splitter is out before seeking a decent PF at the trade deadline.

[HarlemHeat37]

Seems like Pop is already souring on him, tbh:lol..

[Johnny RIngo]

Worst rotation big I've ever seen play next to Duncan. How the fuck did the FO look at his underwhelming resume and decide it was worth giving 2 mil/year to this sack of shit?

[Baam]

Worst rotation big I've ever seen play next to Duncan. How the fuck did the FO look at his underwhelming resume and decide it was worth giving 2 mil/year to this sack of shit?

They look so dumb for it now, last year or two the Duncan era and they recruit Ayres...

[Johnny RIngo]

They look so dumb for it now, last year or two the Duncan era and they recruit Ayres...

Boylen's supposed to be a specialist in developing bigs. I'm surprised someone with his experience(20 years as assistant coach) recommended Ayres to the club. He worked closely with Ayres in Indiana - he would know, better than anyone, about the flaws in his game.

[cd021]

Both Ayers and Baynes have been disappointing.

Ayers has by far the highest turnover percentage (23%) of any of the 10 rotation players.

Baynes per 36 minutes block to foul rate- .4/5.2

I'd been in favor of playing Leonard at PF for 7 or 8 minutes after all star break. Or essentially going 3 deep in PF-C minutes.

[cd021]

Its like he lathers his hands up with butter, kept at the scores table.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Its like he lathers his hands up with butter, kept at the scores table.

The dude couldn't catch H1N1.

[poop]

Pop apparently loves him, so he will continue to get lots of minutes no matter how many blank stat lines he puts up.

[superjames1992]

Pop looked extremely mad when he pulled him out, and he didn't play a minute since...

Is this the end of the season for Ayers?
No. :pop:

[cd021]

Pop apparently loves him, so he will continue to get lots of minutes no matter how many blank stat lines he puts up.

A Brooks-Perkins love affair?

[unforeseen]

Jeff Ayres

2013/14 2014/15
$1,750,000 $1,828,750

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Both Ayers and Baynes have been disappointing.

Ayers has by far the highest turnover percentage (23%) of any of the 10 rotation players.

Baynes per 36 minutes block to foul rate- .4/5.2

I'd been in favor of playing Leonard at PF for 7 or 8 minutes after all star break. Or essentially going 3 deep in PF-C minutes.

Ayers has gotten a legitimate 3+ month look and disappointed. Baynes has played more than 10 mins 8 times all season. 3 of those 8 have been in the last 5 games. In those 3 games he has had a block in each and 1.6 fouls to go along with 7 points 5 boards and an assist in 16 mins.

Why on earth are you using Baynes' season of garbage time as the basis to judge him?

[cd021]

Ayers has gotten a legitimate 3+ month look and disappointed. Baynes has played more than 10 mins 8 times all season. 3 of those 8 have been in the last 5 games. In those 3 games he has had a block in each and 1.6 fouls to go along with 7 points 5 boards and an assist in 16 mins.

Why on earth are you using Baynes' season of garbage time as the basis to judge him?

Thats because Baynes isn't De Colo (who plays virtually all of his minutes in garbabe time, thus the lowest amount of total minutes on the team)

Baynes has played meaningful minutes starting usually the second quarters of games. He does play in garbage time, but he hasn't even impressed there. When he has gotten opportunity (I.E the @ GSW game when Splitter, & Ayers both got off to bad starts, Baynes came in and played even worse and Pop never back to him)

Looking at 10 games for accurate statistics, instead of the 29 games he's appeared in.:lmao

A larger sample size is always a good thing. He simply hasn't been very good. Talk about cherry picking.

Even going with his D-league statistics, he average 4.9 fouls per 36 minute (27 mpg, 3.5 are his actual numbers) rebounding and fouls are generally the most translatable stats (regardless of league) He is a still a very good rebounder.

Though...

Per 36 minutes

1.5 asts, to 2.9 Turnovers
1.3 blks to 4.9 fouls


Offensively his game is only above average in the D-league.

Neither of them seem to be the option at backup center. I wouldn't be mad if he proved me wrong, I just don't expect very much.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Thats because Baynes isn't De Colo (who plays virtually all of his minutes in garbabe time, thus the lowest amount of total minutes on the team)

Baynes has played meaningful minutes starting usually the second quarters of games. He does play in garbage time, but he hasn't even impressed there. When he has gotten opportunity (I.E the @ GSW game when Splitter, & Ayers both got off to bad starts, Baynes came in and played even worse and Pop never back to him)

Looking at 10 games for accurate statistics, instead of the 29 games he's appeared in.:lmao

A larger sample size is always a good thing. He simply hasn't been very good. Talk about cherry picking.

Even going with his D-league statistics, he average 4.9 fouls per 36 minute (27 mpg, 3.5 are his actual numbers) rebounding and fouls are generally the most translatable stats (regardless of league) He is a still a very good rebounder.

Though...

Per 36 minutes

1.5 asts, to 2.9 Turnovers
1.3 blks to 4.9 fouls


Offensively his game is only above average in the D-league.

Neither of them seem to be the option at backup center. I wouldn't be mad if he proved me wrong, I just don't expect very much.

Again he has played meaningful minutes outside of garbage time 8 times this season well 9 if you want to count that Houston debacle. Yes he had a poor game in GS. In other such opportunities he has performed well.

If you want to keep on including the other 80% of garbage time and ignore the control for meaningful minutes then so be it. Looks like you will control for only the GS game. Either way he has not had a chance to fail and if you want to count the most recent stint of steady playing time, he is doing okay. Much better than what you keep presenting.

[cd021]

Again he has played meaningful minutes outside of garbage time 8 times this season well 9 if you want to count that Houston debacle. Yes he had a poor game in GS. In other such opportunities he has performed well.

If you want to keep on including the other 80% of garbage time and ignore the control for meaningful minutes then so be it. Looks like you will control for only the GS game. Either way he has not had a chance to fail and if you want to count the most recent stint of steady playing time, he is doing okay. Much better than what you keep presenting.

I'm done arguing over him . I've made my case and stand by it, you did the same. We clearly aren't gonna convince each of anything.

[elemento]

Quite honestly

I couldn't care less if Ayres gets PT in the RS. I would start to be worried if he gets plenty of PT in the playoffs. In end, we have seen this movie before. We discuss trades, players, scrubs for a long-time, but in the end we know that the main playoff rotation will be : Parker/Manu/Beli/Green/Leonard/Duncan/Diaw/Splitter PERIOD.

[TheGoldStandard]

Boylen's supposed to be a specialist in developing bigs. I'm surprised someone with his experience(20 years as assistant coach) recommended Ayres to the club. He worked closely with Ayres in Indiana - he would know, better than anyone, about the flaws in his game.

Boylen wears a OKC shirt under his suits. He will make the reveal in the playoffs when we lose.

[heyheymymy]

people need to remember that ayres just replaced blair. yeah, it'd be nice if he was some great find, but don't forget the fact that he is probably at least as good as blair. that said, i wish we never lost dejuan and now that ayres flopped, i want blair back..... kinda

[TJastal]

Ayers has gotten a legitimate 3+ month look and disappointed. Baynes has played more than 10 mins 8 times all season. 3 of those 8 have been in the last 5 games. In those 3 games he has had a block in each and 1.6 fouls to go along with 7 points 5 boards and an assist in 16 mins.

Why on earth are you using Baynes' season of garbage time as the basis to judge him?

+1

7 footers like Baynes need minutes and reps to develop properly yet Baynes' minutes are rationed like a diabetic at a krispy kreme shop.

[TJastal]

Baynes can't get meaningful minutes in 2+ years of being on the team yet random stinking ass scrubs like Othello Jeffyrs can walk onto the team from the D league on a shitty 10 day contract and immediately get regular rotation time. Something is definitely wrong there.

[Budkin]

people need to remember that ayres just replaced blair. yeah, it'd be nice if he was some great find, but don't forget the fact that he is probably at least as good as blair. that said, i wish we never lost dejuan and now that ayres flopped, i want blair back..... kinda

Never thought I'd say it but Ayres makes Blair look like Tyson Chandler.

[exstatic]

Baynes can't get meaningful minutes in 2+ years of being on the team yet random stinking ass scrubs like Othello Jeffyrs can walk onto the team from the D league on a shitty 10 day contract and immediately get regular rotation time. Something is definitely wrong there.

:lol God, you're retarded. It's simple math: we were down one big, but we were down three wings. Of COURSE the d-league wing plays before the d-league big.

[exstatic]

Never thought I'd say it but Ayres makes Blair look like Tyson Chandler.

:lol You probably never should have said it.

[TJastal]

:lol God, you're retarded. It's simple math: we were down one big, but we were down three wings. Of COURSE the d-league wing plays before the d-league big.

Regardless of injury situation, its not like there aren't other options available. Pop could have used a 3 guard lineup which would actually make having a 7 footer like Baynes patrolling the paint more necessary. It's not like he's never used a 3 guard lineup before. He even recently experimented with other unorthodox lineups such Diaw at the 3. So quit pretending like its such a cut and dry situation just to prove some idiotic point.

[cd021]

Baynes can't get meaningful minutes in 2+ years of being on the team yet random stinking ass scrubs like Othello Jeffyrs can walk onto the team from the D league on a shitty 10 day contract and immediately get regular rotation time. Something is definitely wrong there.

Baynes has been pretty awful, he fouls as much as a "Walker"bites (Walking Dead reference) as i mentioned per 36 minutes his block to foul ratio is .4 to 5.2. He is the only player to player at least 250 minutes for the Spurs and have a net rating in the negative (-6). His defensive rating is actually the same as Mills (104) but Mills is a +10.

I'd much rather go small than have either of them play meaningful minutes.

[exstatic]

Baynes has been pretty awful, he fouls as much as a "Walker"bites (Walking Dead reference) as i mentioned per 36 minutes his block to foul ratio is .4 to 5.2. He is the only player to player at least 250 minutes for the Spurs and have a net rating in the negative (-6). His defensive rating is actually the same as Mills (104) but Mills is a +10.

I'd much rather go small than have either of them play meaningful minutes.

But...but...he's BIG!

[weeks]

I preferred Blair honestly. On intangibles alone. Any spur fan that says they didn't enjoy and appreciate his bench theatrics is full of it

[palangi]

Baynes has been pretty awful, he fouls as much as a "Walker"bites (Walking Dead reference) as i mentioned per 36 minutes his block to foul ratio is .4 to 5.2. He is the only player to player at least 250 minutes for the Spurs and have a net rating in the negative (-6). His defensive rating is actually the same as Mills (104) but Mills is a +10.

I'd much rather go small than have either of them play meaningful minutes.
yeah but numbers like this don't tell the real story when you only play scrub minutes and sporadic ones at that. Do they change if he is around more starting talent?

and listen I am not a baynes supporter. I think he plods way too much. But I don't think ayres really deserves so many minutes.

[palangi]

But...but...he's BIG!
have all 22,000 of your posts come from just being an ass and not really contributing to much? You seem to be a message board leach

[TJastal]

yeah but numbers like this don't tell the real story when you only play scrub minutes and sporadic ones at that. Do they change if he is around more starting talent?

and listen I am not a baynes supporter. I think he plods way too much. But I don't think ayres really deserves so many minutes.

You're deviating from the great story that has been contructed at ST. If you don't mind son we need to keep up the façade that Baynes has been given even one piddly ass chance as a steady rotation player in at least a couple straight games *not counting preseason or charity events*. Better yet that we pretend Pop loves him more than Bonner and has given him multiple chances and steady minutes for hundreds of games for years and years and years. That way with a gleeful cackle we can drop his numbers under the microscope and find major faults in them. That fits the story line better and allows the likes of Pop's favorite backup centers (the prototype 6'8" guys who are "thletic" or can "hit the trey" to keep getting burn and we can oooo and ahhhh bout dem 3's and how "thletic" Ayyrrors looks out there.

[TJastal]

I preferred Blair honestly. On intangibles alone. Any spur fan that says they didn't enjoy and appreciate his bench theatrics is full of it

The Blair project might have worked had he been kept in the 2nd unit and paired with somebody who was at least halfway proficient at defending and protecting the rim where he could focus on his few major talents and not have to square off against starting quality bigs (well at least while his ACL-less knees were somewhat limber). I always advocated for him and McDyess in the 2nd unit because the two showed outstanding chemistry together but nobody ever got to see it on the regular because Pop was continually shuffling lineups with completely mismatched big pairings (Blair and Bonner, anyone?). That pairing alone probably got 200X more the minutes over the years and that's not even a joke. That's just how stupid Gregg Popovich is, folks.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsLWRhd8JSw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

would rather see this guy get a chance, tbh.

[weeks]

The Blair project might have worked had he been kept in the 2nd unit and paired with somebody who was at least halfway proficient at defending and protecting the rim where he could focus on his few major talents and not have to square off against starting quality bigs (well at least while his ACL-less knees were somewhat limber). I always advocated for him and McDyess in the 2nd unit because the two showed outstanding chemistry together but nobody ever got to see it on the regular because Pop was continually shuffling lineups with completely mismatched big pairings (Blair and Bonner, anyone?). That pairing alone probably got 200X more the minutes over the years and that's not even a joke. That's just how stupid Gregg Popovich is, folks.

i feel like history will judge pop harshly for the bonner years
i couldn't hate on blair even though i knew he had to leave. he was a solid character. i remember in the first round last year, dwight tried to elbow cojo in frustration. blair got up in his face...dwight suddenly had to go to the free throw line to start practicing. it was important

[palangi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsLWRhd8JSw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

would rather see this guy get a chance, tbh.
This is what I am talking about. giving him an opportunity to play with starters and get a good amount of minutes in meaningful time, He actually looks decent.

but we want to judge what he does in scrub time with all backups in a game that is over and no semblence of an offense is being run.

[cd021]

yeah but numbers like this don't tell the real story when you only play scrub minutes and sporadic ones at that. Do they change if he is around more starting talent?

and listen I am not a baynes supporter. I think he plods way too much. But I don't think ayres really deserves so many minutes.

i got into it with Fuzzy Lumpin about it. In the NBA and D league he has shown only 1 valuable skill (rebounding). Even in garbage minutes (not all of those mintues were garbage, he does see minutes occasionally in the 2nd quarter of games) he looks mediocre at best.

Ayers problem is turnovers (team high 23% T.O percentage) Baynes is his fouls(5.2). If you're going to be out their he has to due a better job of protecting the paint without fouling.

Pop has given him opportunites (I.E. the @GSW game) he hasn't impressed.

I think ST has been craving a physical big so much, that they ignore all his flaws and blame Pop for his lack of playing time. He hasn't earned it.

I'm not accusing you of being in that category BTW & I agree Ayers is played too much. At this point, he is what he is and its not very good.

Too bad Ayers is likely on the team next season,unless the Spurs can include him in deal that would help us acquire a player on large deal (that would save the other team cash in the long term)

[palangi]

i got into it with Fuzzy Lumpin about it. In the NBA and D league he has shown only 1 valuable skill (rebounding). Even in garbage minutes (not all of those mintues were garbage, he does see minutes occasionally in the 2nd quarter of games) he looks mediocre at best.

Ayers problem is turnovers (team high 23% T.O percentage) Baynes is his fouls(5.2). If you're going to be out their he has to due a better job of protecting the paint without fouling.

Pop has given him opportunites (I.E. the @GSW game) he hasn't impressed.

I think ST has been craving a physical big so much, that they ignore all his flaws and blame Pop for his lack of playing time. He hasn't earned it.

I'm not accusing you of being in that category BTW & I agree Ayers is played too much. At this point, he is what he is and its not very good.

Too bad Ayers is likely on the team next season,unless the Spurs can include him in deal that would help us acquire a player on large deal (that would save the other team cash in the long term)
Really because he averages like 20 points a game in the Dleague. yet rebounding is the only skill he has shown?

and getting scattered minutes is not regular 2nd quarter minutes to prove anything.

You make me feel dirty standing up for baynes as I believe that he is an adequate player only. But I don't think he has been given a fair chance, no matter how much you think he has.

[jeebus]

Pop has given him opportunites (I.E. the @GSW game) he hasn't impressed.


one game? that's all they're giving these days to players so they can prove themselves? someone needs to tell Pop though because the whole team should be benched.

[ElNono]

bump

[HarlemHeat37]

Kind of telling that Pop didn't play him tonight, despite his nice showing against the Pelicans in the last meeting, tbh..

[timtonymanu]

Hope it's an ongoing trend now.

[Chomag]

Please!

[Splits]

Bonner with instrumental minutes to close the last two games == NO ERRORS

[freetiago]

Splitter vs Errors is night and day in the pick and roll
Splitter always looks so open rolling to the basket and he really frees up the guards on the pick

and Baynes isnt foul prone to the guy above who said he was
he only gets played in Hack a Dwight type situations which is why he picks up a lot of fouls

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i got into it with Fuzzy Lumpin about it. In the NBA and D league he has shown only 1 valuable skill (rebounding). Even in garbage minutes (not all of those mintues were garbage, he does see minutes occasionally in the 2nd quarter of games) he looks mediocre at best.

Ayers problem is turnovers (team high 23% T.O percentage) Baynes is his fouls(5.2). If you're going to be out their he has to due a better job of protecting the paint without fouling.

Pop has given him opportunites (I.E. the @GSW game) he hasn't impressed.

I think ST has been craving a physical big so much, that they ignore all his flaws and blame Pop for his lack of playing time. He hasn't earned it.

I'm not accusing you of being in that category BTW & I agree Ayers is played too much. At this point, he is what he is and its not very good.

Too bad Ayers is likely on the team next season,unless the Spurs can include him in deal that would help us acquire a player on large deal (that would save the other team cash in the long term)

We go into it with you repeating the same drivel aand when I would rebut you would say you didn't want to talk about it anymore after you repeated your initial assertions.

He was shown more than just the GSW games and he has had good games and bad games. That being said if you think 8 stints as more that a cameo is enough to evaluate a player then you are a fool.

The foul discussion is dumb. Look at his game log and how many games of ~5 mins 2 fouls do you see? It's garbage time and for all of Spurs garbage time being less a clusterfuck then most, when you are coming off the end of the bench and only have 5 mins to play then you know you can be overaggressive and get away with it. At the end of the day though, that is the go to stat that you use to evaluate Baynes.

Fixating on outliers seems to be your gig though. I really enjoyed you making up stats like blocks per foul or whatever that nonsense was as well as discussing dleague stats in an NBA context with no real normalization. For the most part what you really are doing is regurgitating groupthink from exstatic and tpark and the like.

[weeks]

not to mention that baynes is put in just to foul sometimes

[venitian navigator]

The problem with Baynes can be only one : defense, expecially on the pick and roll, also considering the fact that he's big but at the moment not exactly,despite his huge body, a rim protector. Imho he's the one that has skills more similar to the Blair's one...only, at the moment, less good on offense and little better on defense (just 'cause of his height).
That said, however, maybe I'll be wrong, but I was nicely impressed this summer when we took Ayres, manteining Baynes on the roster...I think these two bigs, in time (knowing better our System, expecially on defense, and having more playing time, and possibly another summer to gel together) have more than decent athletic and phisical skills to form a very decent combo of big men.
They both can rebound, they both can improve their shooting also from mid range, they both can jump and potentially protect better the basket); also, Ayres can run the floor and Baynes is not the worst of the bigs in coming back to defense.

[jeebus]

Kind of telling that Pop didn't play him tonight, despite his nice showing against the Pelicans in the last meeting, tbh..
Fluke game. Boner held him under 20 points this time around. Pretty sad that when someone's highlight game of the season is outdone by a red head with a broken face during his last run as an NBA player.

[szkorhetz]

Facing the Pacers frontcourt in the Finals with Duncan, Diaw and Splitter won't cut it, TBH. We need a good Ayers.

[cd021]

not to mention that baynes is put in just to foul sometimes

i can only recall the Houston game. He just fouls a ridiculous amount, not by design.

[cd021]

We go into it with you repeating the same drivel aand when I would rebut you would say you didn't want to talk about it anymore after you repeated your initial assertions.

He was shown more than just the GSW games and he has had good games and bad games. That being said if you think 8 stints as more that a cameo is enough to evaluate a player then you are a fool.

The foul discussion is dumb. Look at his game log and how many games of ~5 mins 2 fouls do you see? It's garbage time and for all of Spurs garbage time being less a clusterfuck then most, when you are coming off the end of the bench and only have 5 mins to play then you know you can be overaggressive and get away with it. At the end of the day though, that is the go to stat that you use to evaluate Baynes.

Fixating on outliers seems to be your gig though. I really enjoyed you making up stats like blocks per foul or whatever that nonsense was as well as discussing dleague stats in an NBA context with no real normalization. For the most part what you really are doing is regurgitating groupthink from exstatic and tpark and the like.

-Blocks to foul ratio is a pretty standard deal, Its the big man equivalent to assist to turnover. In any case its incredibly high.

-I understand you are looking at game logs. My numbers are per minute. That is especially useful to see how effective he might be in a more expanded role. But combing through his NBA, D-league and even his four seasons at Washington State its clear his fouls a bit of problem.

You're looking at a boxscore and seeing he has 2 fouls in 8 minutes and you claim that isn't bad. If he played 16 mpg he would still have nearly 3 fouls per game. Either way he fouls too much that isn't debatable.

-Funny you're the one who ignores the stats, let me be clear

-11.1 P.E.R (league average 15)

-Worst D-Rating on team 104 (tied with Mills)

-Worst O-Rating on team -98

-Worst Net Rating on team -6

-44 % from the field

He hasn't even impressed in garbage time or his 2nd quarter appearances and this guy is like a god on ST

He isn't very good. Neither is Ayers that is all.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

-Blocks to Foul ration is a pretty standard deal, Its the big man equivalent to assist to turnover. In any case its incredibly high.

-I understand you are looking at game logs. My numbers are per minute. That is especially useful to see how effective he might be in a more expanded role. But combing through his NBA, D-league and even his four seasons at Washington State its clear he fouls quite a bit.

You're looking at a boxscore and seeing he has 2 fouls in 8 minutes and you claim that isn''t bad. If he played 16 mpg he would still have nearly 3 fouls per game. Either way he fouls too much that isn't debatable.

-Funny you're the one who ignores the stats, let me be clear

-11.1 P.E.R (league average 15)

-Worst D-Rating on team 104 (tied with Mills)

-Worst O-Rating on team -98

-Worst Net Rating on team -6

-44 % from the field

He hasn't even impressed in garbage time or his 2nd quarter appearances and this guy is like a god on ST

He isn't very good. Neither is Ayers that is all.

And in all of this you still fail to acknowledge the situational difference. For some reason you think picking up two fouls in garbage time is equitable to two fouls in meaningful minutes. You conflate them. This is exactly what I am talking about in regurgitating your original assertions in the face of rebuttal and then saying you do not want to talk about it anymore.

Another example of this is you grandstanding on a poor performance agains GS early, you completely ignore my discussion of the stint of 3 very recent games where he got significant time and he played well, specifically limiting his fouls.

Another example is my stating that 8 stints of non-garbage time is only sufficient evaluation time if you are a fool.

Now you are bringing in team-rating. FFS does garbage time with DeColo, CoJo, Ayers and Bonner mean anything to you?

One thing that I notice you completely lack the ability to do is talk about skills. Just bullshit garbage time stats. Nevermind that he can shoot with either hand, has a jumper to 18 feet, shows vision passing out of the high and low post for assists, that he has the ability to challenge shots above the rim and has the strength and aggressiveness to compete and win vs NBA big men for rebounds. I have seen him make quick rotations to shut off middle penetration and the baseline, run the floor, etc, etc.

[Dex]

He'll be back.

But if history serves as any example, it appears they Ayres has put himself down the Path of the Doghouse that many a Spurs bigman has followed (Rose, Rasho, Mahinmi, Blair, Baynes). Pop will probably give him another shot by tossing him some minutes eventually, Ayres will probably fail to seize it like he fails to catch everything else, and this process will repeat until he gets traded or made the official water boy.

[heyheymymy]

damn shame, I had high hopes for him and still think he could come around, but it has been a slow process thus far. remember how great he looked in camp? i think he's just over thinking it and will come around. we just need him to be an elson type player or at least as good as blair really. hope it all starts clicking for him real soon.

[Chomag]

I honestly don't think so, I think because of the current roster make up with injuries this is just what Pop thinks is best but once the regular roster is all back he will be back in.

Of course if Pops old love ( Red Rocket) keeps it up Pop might have to go back to his old GF.