NFC teams that would have beat Denver in the SB this year

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Non-bias post here:

Seattle
Carolina
Philly
GB
NO
Arizona
Chicago
Dallas
NY
Lions
St. Louis
Minny
ATL
TB
Redskins

did I miss anyone?

[Creepn]

Lol yes RG3 would've beaten the mighty white brain with one leg tbh.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Lol yes RG3 would've beaten the mighty white brain with one leg tbh.
No he wouldn't, his defense isn't elite. All black qb's need an elite defense to bail them out. these are things we know.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

No he wouldn't, his defense isn't elite. All black qb's need an elite defense to bail them out. these are things we know.

s:lollty f:lolggot

[Floyd Pacquiao]

s:lollty f:lolggot
Why would I be salty?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lmao Richard "shutdown except Demaryius has 12 catches on me" Sherman

[Robz4000]

Couldn't be Carolina seeing as Kraepernick tapped that ass...

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Couldn't be Carolina seeing as Kraepernick tapped that ass...

haha.... Cam > Kae

[Thebesteva]

Non-bias post here:

Seattle
Carolina
Philly
GB
NO
Arizona
Chicago
Dallas
NY
Lions
St. Louis
Minny
ATL
TB
Redskins

did I miss anyone?

If you worried half as much on your rent as being on this board tho

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

If you worried half as much on your rent as being on this board tho

s:lollty f:lolggot

[Robz4000]

haha.... Cam > Kae

Except in the playoffs.

How's the kitty bowl tbh?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Except in the playoffs.

lol... tell me in what categoryKaepernick exceeds Cam in? Even with Kaepernick having 2 great receivers, a great tight end, and a great RB...

delusional fan is delusional. but hey, got to love that "headbutting" penalties and not to mention the 12 men on the field on the play you scored before the half which is supposed to be an automatic penalty and 15 yards.. but it's all good right?

[dg7md]

Any team could have beaten them. They were complete trash.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Thad Lewis would've been victorious tonight, no lie.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Richard "shutdown except Demaryius has 12 catches on me" Sherman

That's Richard "more rings than Cum Newton will ever have in his life" Sherman to you :lmao:lmao:lmao

[DeadlyDynasty]

Sherman's impact on the game was comparable to Wilson's, but he did seal the NFCCG though.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

That's Richard "more rings than Cum Newton will ever have in his life" Sherman to you :lmao:lmao:lmao

lol if you bet on that you may be disappointed...

[unforeseen]

lol if you bet on that you may be disappointed...

That may be true but right now Sherman 1 > Cam 0.

[Robz4000]

lol... tell me in what categoryKaepernick exceeds Cam in? Even with Kaepernick having 2 great receivers, a great tight end, and a great RB...

delusional fan is delusional. but hey, got to love that "headbutting" penalties and not to mention the 12 men on the field on the play you scored before the half which is supposed to be an automatic penalty and 15 yards.. but it's all good right?

Playoff wins tbh

[spurraider21]

No he wouldn't, his defense isn't elite. All black qb's need an elite defense to bail them out. these are things we know.
:rollin wilson outplayed manning anyway. threw for 2 touchdowns, and had Kearse drop one that hit him in the hands. was also an absolute force on 3rd downs

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:rollin wilson outplayed manning anyway. threw for 2 touchdowns, and had Kearse drop one that hit him in the hands. was also an absolute force on 3rd downs
:lol wilson went up against a shit defense while manning went up against a roided up top 5 all time defense? Only if manning had the luxury of going up against one of the worst D's in the league. :downspin:

[spurraider21]

:lol wilson went up against a shit defense while manning went up against a roided up top 5 all time defense? Only if manning had the luxury of going up against one of the worst D's in the league. :downspin:
the shit defense held Lynch to 39 yards on 15 carries. Wilson made them pay for stacking the box and constant blitzing. Again, I'm well aware that Wilson isn't the reason the Seahawks won. Their defense and special teams outscored the Broncos offense :lol. But Wilson did play well in the meantime, better than Manning at least. gotta give him that much.

[monosylab1k]

Russell Wilson played really well. If he was a "game manager" tonight then you have to call Aikman's SB performances game management too. Wilson played a very Aikman-like game. Tremendous accuracy and always the right decision.

[spurraider21]

^pretty much, and since Mono said what I have been saying, some of his followers will now agree as well.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

the shit defense held Lynch to 39 yards on 15 carries. Wilson made them pay for stacking the box and constant blitzing. Again, I'm well aware that Wilson isn't the reason the Seahawks won. Their defense and special teams outscored the Broncos offense :lol. But Wilson did play well in the meantime, better than Manning at least. gotta give him that much.

Yes wilson did play well. He ran the system nicely.

[HI-FI]

OP is still upset about the Niners going in on that ass.

SF would've beat this Denver team. I knew it then, that's why I was so pissed about that NFCCG loss. It was there for us. :depressed

[AchillesHeel]

Russell Wilson played really well. If he was a "game manager" tonight then you have to call Aikman's SB performances game management too. Wilson played a very Aikman-like game. Tremendous accuracy and always the right decision.

Agreed. Wilson was great.

[spurraider21]

^pretty much, and since Mono said what I have been saying, some of his followers will now agree as well.


Yes wilson did play well. He ran the system nicely.


Agreed. Wilson was great.
:lol waiting for more, tbh

[DeadlyDynasty]

Can't do it, stat-padding is not recognized in the DD constitution. He was a bit player, but did his part that game. The D was otherworldly and Percy Harvin's 7 plays of game tape all year worked in his favor as his 2 big runs gashed them early and the KO return sealed the deal. The bulk of Russ's contributions came with the game well in hand. He didn't play poorly, though.

[spurraider21]

Can't do it, stat-padding is not recognized in the DD constitution. He was a bit player, but did his part that game. The D was otherworldly and Percy Harvin's 7 plays of game tape all year worked in his favor as his 2 big runs gashed them early and the KO return sealed the deal. The bulk of Russ's contributions came with the game well in hand. He didn't play poorly, though.
i recall Wilson being deadly on 3rd downs even in the first half. i don't have the number off hand, but i can dig around later

[DeadlyDynasty]

i recall Wilson being deadly on 3rd downs even in the first half. i don't have the number off hand, but i can dig around later
The bulk of which came on those first 2 fg drives iirc...like I said, he did his part but in the grand scheme of things D/ST decided this game well before it was actually over. He did more than Lynch, though--who was the obvious focal point of the D

[spurraider21]

The bulk of which came on those first 2 fg drives iirc...like I said, he did his part but in the grand scheme of things D/ST decided this game well before. He did more than Lynch, though--who was the obvious focal point of the D
oh of course. it would be moronic to say the Seahawks won because of Wilson's play. when your D/ST outscores their O, its really impossible to argue your QB was your key player. but he was the best player on the Seahawks offense on the big stage, and imo it would also be moronic to say Wilson didn't play a really good game (again, not that it necessarily decided the game).

and to be fair, its hard to accumulate numbers when your team doesn't have possession. short field on one drive, then donks go on a drive, throw a pick 6, go on another drive until they kill all the clock. after the half the seahawks get the ball and percy takes it all the way. Wilson would probably have had bigger numbers the way he was playing

[spurraider21]

Seattle 3rd downs:

1st Drive:

3rd and 9, throws a 12 yard pass to Kearse.
3rd and 6, runs for 5 yards.

Result: FG


2nd Drive:

3rd and 7, throws to Tate for 9 yards
3rd and 4, throws to Baldwin for 6 yards
3rd and 5, throws to Baldwin for 37 yards
3rd and goal from the 14, incomplete pass

Result: FG


3rd Drive: Short field off the INT, no 3rd downs

Result: 1-yard touchdown run by Lynch


that was the entirety of the Seahawks first half possessions, when the game was still in the balance. they went 4-6 on 3rd downs (all plays by Wilson). take out any of those conversions, and they don't get any points on that drive. also keep in mind that 3rd and goal from the 14 was the play where Kearse had it due to a perfect throw, but the defender was able to get a hand in there and Kearse couldn't hang on. i think Russell played pretty well in the first half given his opportunities. in the 2nd half he had both td's as well.

[mojorizen7]

Non-bias post here:

Seattle
Carolina
Philly
GB
NO
Arizona
Chicago
Dallas
NY
Lions
St. Louis
Minny
ATL
TB
Redskins

did I miss anyone?
Not with Clemens at QB...or with our secondary. But i get your point.

This board ain't big on stats(go figure) but here's this...

Combined win % by division
NFC west .656
AFC West .578
AFC East .531
NFC South .484/AFC North .484
NFC North .453
NFC East .437
AFC South .375

[DeadlyDynasty]

Being the best player on the O wasn't necessarily a great feat tonight. He made some nice throws though and did what was asked of him. Like you said it's what the situation asked for, just manage this comfortable margin we afforded you, and he prevailed.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Seattle 3rd downs:

1st Drive:

3rd and 9, throws a 12 yard pass to Kearse.
3rd and 6, runs for 5 yards.

Result: FG


2nd Drive:

3rd and 7, throws to Tate for 9 yards
3rd and 4, throws to Baldwin for 6 yards
3rd and 5, throws to Baldwin for 37 yards
3rd and goal from the 14, incomplete pass

Result: FG


3rd Drive: Short field off the INT, no 3rd downs

Result: 1-yard touchdown run by Lynch


that was the entirety of the Seahawks first half possessions, when the game was still in the balance. they went 4-6 on 3rd downs (all plays by Wilson). take out any of those conversions, and they don't get any points on that drive. also keep in mind that 3rd and goal from the 14 was the play where Kearse had it due to a perfect throw, but the defender was able to get a hand in there and Kearse couldn't hang on. i think Russell played pretty well in the first half given his opportunities. in the 2nd half he had both td's as well.
Pretty much what I said, tbh...did the bulk of his work to get them 6 pts, D/ST pretty much procured the next 23, then it was quittin' time for Denver

[spurraider21]

Being the best player on the O wasn't necessarily a great feat tonight. He made some nice throws though and did what was asked of him. Like you said it's what the situation asked for, just manage this comfortable margin we afforded you, and he prevailed.
what else could he do? play defense and special teams?

[spurraider21]

Pretty much what I said, tbh...did the bulk of his work to get them 6 pts, D/ST pretty much procured the next 23, then it was quittin' time for Denver
Kearse hangs onto a perfect throw and thats 1 TD drive instead of a FG drive. the guy played nearly flawless, its not his fault his D/ST happened to play a great game too. he can only do what he can do. its literally impossible for Wilson to do anything more than be "the best player on offense"

[DeadlyDynasty]

Kearse hangs onto a perfect throw and thats 1 TD drive instead of a FG drive. the guy played nearly flawless, its not his fault his D/ST happened to play a great game too. he can only do what he can do. its literally impossible for Wilson to do anything more than be "the best player on offense"
Look at that play again, the defender made a great play--neither ones fault. Yeah, the situation was the D/ST made the game. It's not his fault, but it also just is what it is. I mean the committee probably just picked a defensive name out of the hat to win MVP (could've been any of them), and Harvin was the easy next choice (shouldve been tops, but whatever). Is that his fault? No, but that's how it played out.

[spurraider21]

I agree that it was a great defensive play, but on a 3rd and goal from the 14, it takes a terrific throw to even have that opportunity. Again, I'm not trying to run circles around your argument, I am well aware that the defense/ST dominated the game. I'm just saying Wilson played great (even if those efforts weren't required for them to win). I don't think he should have been MVP. I would have gone with Chancellor or Harvin ahead of Smith

[DeadlyDynasty]

You have to look at it from a basic perspective, what did we know going into the game?:
-The Seahawks had the best defense in the NFL (check)
-Lynch was their biggest weapon, and went beastmode previous 2 playoff games
-Broncos had a stout run (check)
-Broncos have the MVP and an elite offense
-RW has proven to be a solid game manager throughout the year (check)

What did we not know that ultimately affected the game?
-Harvin. Harvin. Harvin.
-That Peyton and the offense would play probably the worst game of the year (again, save for late game stat-padding when it was 29-0 or w/e it was)

So when you get down to it what stood out the most in that SB? Miscues and TOs by Manning and O (that's a point for the D), and Percy Harvin (ST and 2 huge runs on).

Are those not the 2 factors things that clearly stood out in that game? Cause it's sure as shit what I saw when the TOD was announced after Harvin's game-ending KO

[spurraider21]

I'm not sure why you keep going back to this point. I have made it VERY clear that I am not arguing that Wilson's play is the reason they won the game. I even SPECIFICALLY said that "Wilson played great (even if this was not required for them to win)."

I said Harvin and Chancellor were more deserving MVP candidates. I'm not sure what else you want me to say :lol. Literally my only point in this is that Wilson played a great game. You seem to be incorrectly taking my argument as "Wilson played great and led Seattle to a win." Is your agenda really that strong that you can't concede that simple point without making a bunch of side arguments that don't address what I'm saying?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Then what do you want, tbh?...great is a fucking stretch. He had a poor man's Nick Foles game, leave it at that. The voters have spoken and if RW was truly "great" then it would've been an easy MVP choice instead of some nondescript defensive player. That's a no-brainer. If the powers that be felt he was "great," than it would've been FAR more simpler and PC to award the offensive player the MVP over some pissant who caught a snagger.

Men far more credible than us and tasked with presented that decided stat-padding wasn't "great" enough to offset one play.

Again, and for the last time--where are you going with this/establish a goal? If it's to say he was "great" that game, I disagree. The pros saw the same thing as I did and c'est la vie

[spurraider21]

I'm again going to say that I am not arguing that he was worthy of SuperBowl mvp, so i am curious as to why you keep making that your main point. oh and :lol at your appeal to authority shenanigans when we on this forum routinely go against what the "more qualified" say on a daily basis.

but if you will only go so far as to say he played a poor man's Nick Foles game, then whatever, this conversation really has nowhere to go. the team didn't require a very good/great qb performance to win this game, but they got one anyway

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm again going to say that I am not arguing that he was worthy of SuperBowl mvp, so i am curious as to why you keep making that your main point. oh and :lol at your appeal to authority shenanigans when we on this forum routinely go against what the "more qualified" say on a daily basis.

but if you will only go so far as to say he played a poor man's Nick Foles game, then whatever, this conversation really has nowhere to go. the team didn't require a very good/great qb performance to win this game, but they got one anyway
It doesn't, and for the record running around in circles and forgetting what your argument is from post to post is not Berkeley material, and I can't blame them tbh

[spurraider21]

It doesn't, and for the record running around in circles and forgetting what your argument is from post to post is not Berkeley material, and I can't blame them tbh
i never forgot what my main point was nor did i run in circles. instead, all you did was build arguments as to why wilson shouldn't have been superbowl mvp which was something i never even attempted to argue. if i was dok i would just spam giant jpg's of reading comprehension books, but i'll take the high road

[spurraider21]

i'll actually make it really easy for you. here are all my posts in this thread regarding Wilson. please show me where my argument ever changed, or where I ever asserted he should be MVP or was the reason they won. enlighten me


:rollin wilson outplayed manning anyway. threw for 2 touchdowns, and had Kearse drop one that hit him in the hands. was also an absolute force on 3rd downs


the shit defense held Lynch to 39 yards on 15 carries. Wilson made them pay for stacking the box and constant blitzing. Again, I'm well aware that Wilson isn't the reason the Seahawks won. Their defense and special teams outscored the Broncos offense :lol. But Wilson did play well in the meantime, better than Manning at least. gotta give him that much.


i recall Wilson being deadly on 3rd downs even in the first half. i don't have the number off hand, but i can dig around later


oh of course. it would be moronic to say the Seahawks won because of Wilson's play. when your D/ST outscores their O, its really impossible to argue your QB was your key player. but he was the best player on the Seahawks offense on the big stage, and imo it would also be moronic to say Wilson didn't play a really good game (again, not that it necessarily decided the game).

and to be fair, its hard to accumulate numbers when your team doesn't have possession. short field on one drive, then donks go on a drive, throw a pick 6, go on another drive until they kill all the clock. after the half the seahawks get the ball and percy takes it all the way. Wilson would probably have had bigger numbers the way he was playing


Seattle 3rd downs:

1st Drive:

3rd and 9, throws a 12 yard pass to Kearse.
3rd and 6, runs for 5 yards.

Result: FG


2nd Drive:

3rd and 7, throws to Tate for 9 yards
3rd and 4, throws to Baldwin for 6 yards
3rd and 5, throws to Baldwin for 37 yards
3rd and goal from the 14, incomplete pass

Result: FG


3rd Drive: Short field off the INT, no 3rd downs

Result: 1-yard touchdown run by Lynch


that was the entirety of the Seahawks first half possessions, when the game was still in the balance. they went 4-6 on 3rd downs (all plays by Wilson). take out any of those conversions, and they don't get any points on that drive. also keep in mind that 3rd and goal from the 14 was the play where Kearse had it due to a perfect throw, but the defender was able to get a hand in there and Kearse couldn't hang on. i think Russell played pretty well in the first half given his opportunities. in the 2nd half he had both td's as well.


Kearse hangs onto a perfect throw and thats 1 TD drive instead of a FG drive. the guy played nearly flawless, its not his fault his D/ST happened to play a great game too. he can only do what he can do. its literally impossible for Wilson to do anything more than be "the best player on offense"


I agree that it was a great defensive play, but on a 3rd and goal from the 14, it takes a terrific throw to even have that opportunity. Again, I'm not trying to run circles around your argument, I am well aware that the defense/ST dominated the game. I'm just saying Wilson played great (even if those efforts weren't required for them to win). I don't think he should have been MVP. I would have gone with Chancellor or Harvin ahead of Smith


I'm not sure why you keep going back to this point. I have made it VERY clear that I am not arguing that Wilson's play is the reason they won the game. I even SPECIFICALLY said that "Wilson played great (even if this was not required for them to win)."

I said Harvin and Chancellor were more deserving MVP candidates. I'm not sure what else you want me to say :lol. Literally my only point in this is that Wilson played a great game. You seem to be incorrectly taking my argument as "Wilson played great and led Seattle to a win." Is your agenda really that strong that you can't concede that simple point without making a bunch of side arguments that don't address what I'm saying?


I'm again going to say that I am not arguing that he was worthy of SuperBowl mvp, so i am curious as to why you keep making that your main point. oh and :lol at your appeal to authority shenanigans when we on this forum routinely go against what the "more qualified" say on a daily basis.

but if you will only go so far as to say he played a poor man's Nick Foles game, then whatever, this conversation really has nowhere to go. the team didn't require a very good/great qb performance to win this game, but they got one anyway

[DeadlyDynasty]

but i'll take the high road
Like you did after broadcasting your rejection letter and bitterness towards that fine institution? :rollin Yes, the high road suits you well...a word of advice to a young man like yourself, though. Brush up on your tactics, don't get too emotional, and start getting acquainted with the nose candy if you're going to enter that racket, cause those slickricks will see through your bullshit and rip you apart. You've already been rejected once which means you're not good enough as is right now--so get an edge and thank me when you pass the bar.

[spurraider21]

Like you did after broadcasting your rejection letter and bitterness towards that fine institution? :rollin Yes, the high road suits you well...a word of advice to a young man like yourself, though. Brush up on your tactics, don't get too emotional, and start getting acquainted with the nose candy if you're going to enter that racket, cause those slickricks will see through your bullshit and rip you apart. You've already been rejected once which means you're not good enough as is right now--so get an edge and thank me when you pass the bar.
way to once again refuse to address points i made, while throwing around accusations like "you are changing your argument and running in circles."

the context of the post regarding the high road was how i would address your apparent troubles with reading comprehension, where instead of childishly mocking, i laid out all my posts.

berkeley is a top 10 law school in the country, and there's no shame in getting rejected from there. i had even mentioned in a previous thread that Berkeley and Stanford are complete pipe dreams, but I applied nonetheless. i wasn't expecting to get into Berkeley, and I got rejected. bitterness after rejection is not uncommon or unexpected at all.

but i applaud you, marvelous work, taking a personal shot in an attempt to deflect and avoid addressing points i have made. what's next, a momma joke?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Again, you're hiding behind semantics. Why would you even bother to go through all that bullshit just to illustrate how much you thought he was "so "great", despite being the clear 3rd most important reason for victory. I said he wasn't and illustrated why (all but 6 of his pts came in bullshit time).

So you're understanding is that he was "great" in compiling 6 pts with the game over at 29-0, or that he became great with the garbage time TDs and cumulative yards (so much of which came on incredible YAC--including both TDS).

If 6 pts when the game essentially ended id your barometer for greatness, than yeah--this conversation's about over.

[DeadlyDynasty]

but i applaud you, marvelous work, taking a personal shot
1. You did it to yourself when you posted that...All's fair, and your petulant attitude was an easy reason to spot why you got the shaft
2. You didn't successfully argue he was great. You told me "what could've been" had he had more responsibility. I told you like it is. Post his #'s at 29-0 (has Peyton ever come back from that, and subsequently, or has the LOB ever given a lead even close to that? No, then we're in agreement it was iced at that point) If his #'s at 29-0 reflect that of a "great" performance, than I suggest you take a long hard look at what that word means.

[spurraider21]

Again, you're hiding behind semantics. Why would you even bother to go through all that bullshit just to illustrate how much you thought he was "so "great", despite being the clear 3rd most important reason for victory. I said he wasn't and illustrated why (all but 6 of his pts came in bullshit time).

bullshit. i have not hid behind semantics whatsoever. you keep bringing up where his game stacked up as far as role in the victory, which i have NOT. ONCE. ARGUED. all i have said was that wilson played a great game. the seahawks offense scored 13 points, not 6 in the first half. you seem to be ignoring a touchdown drive where Wilson was 2-2 passing and threw a pass that drew a pass interference penalty resulting in a touchdown. Marshawn Lynch (5 carries for 8 yards on the drive) punched it in for a 1 yard touchdown. the seahawks offense scored on every possession in the first half, minus the last 50 seconds where they just ran the clock out.


So you're understanding is that he was "great" in compiling 6 pts with the game over at 29-0, or that he became great with the garbage time TDs and cumulative yards (so much of which came on incredible YAC--including both TDS).
the offense had put up 13 points, not 6, and had scored on every possession to that point

If 6 pts when the game essentially ended id your barometer for greatness, than yeah--this conversation's about over.
13 points in the first half, and every drive led to points. going 4/6 on third downs is a pretty good number in the meantime

[spurraider21]

1. You did it to yourself when you posted that...All's fair, and your petulant attitude was an easy reason to spot why you got the shaft
2. You didn't successfully argue he was great. You told me "what could've been" had he had more responsibility. I told you like it is. Post his #'s at 29-0 (has Peyton ever come back from that, and subsequently, or has the LOB ever given a lead even close to that? No, then we're in agreement it was iced at that point) If his #'s at 29-0 reflect that of a "great" performance, than I suggest you take a long hard look at what that word means.
sure, i posted it, and everybody can see it. if you want to take a shot about it, that thread is still open. taking a personal shot during an argument is one of the most atrocious fallacies there are.

[DeadlyDynasty]

bullshit. i have not hid behind semantics whatsoever. you keep bringing up where his game stacked up as far as role in the victory, which i have NOT. ONCE. ARGUED. all i have said was that wilson played a great game. the seahawks offense scored 13 points, not 6 in the first half. you seem to be ignoring a touchdown drive where Wilson was 2-2 passing and threw a pass that drew a pass interference penalty resulting in a touchdown. Marshawn Lynch (5 carries for 8 yards on the drive) punched it in for a 1 yard touchdown. the seahawks offense scored on every possession in the first half, minus the last 50 seconds where they just ran the clock out.


the offense had put up 13 points, not 6, and had scored on every possession to that point

13 points in the first half, and every drive led to points. going 4/6 on third downs is a pretty good number in the meantime
Yeah, so he was given the ball on a short field, completed 2 passes, didn't get the TD and you conveniently want to blow him for that TD. Sorry, not how it works. Again, your fanboism knows no bounds and you get very emotional and try to stretch undue praise onto gift-wrapped W.

If RW dropped dead before the game, the Seahawks still win going away. Fact.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, so he was given the ball on a short field, completed 2 passes, didn't get the TD and you conveniently want to blow him for that TD. Sorry, not how it works. Again, your fanboism knows no bounds and you get very emotional and try to stretch undue praise onto gift-wrapped W.
no. just no. a running back poaching a 1 yard touchdown does NOT mean the qb does not get credit for that offensive drive. they started on a short field, and the qb engineered a touchdown drive. otherwise, how the fuck did you credit wilson for the 6 earlier points? i mean haushka kicked the field goals, not wilson. you just seem asshurt because you forgot that the seahawks offense had 13 points, not 6

If RW dropped dead before the game, the Seahawks still win going away. Fact.
again resorting a completely irrelevant argument and has nothing to do with what i am saying

[DeadlyDynasty]

sure, i posted it, and everybody can see it. if you want to take a shot about it, that thread is still open. taking a personal shot during an argument is one of the most atrocious fallacies there are.
I've been saying that the entire time, dumbass. Being responsible for 6 points--or should we add another 7 and then subtract 3 or whatever from Harvin's plays?--in the midst of a blowout is "great", well then...good for you. Doesn't make any goddamn sense and cheapens the word, but we clearly didn't learn the same definition growing up. That's all. Since we started, most of my points referenced in some way or another his contributions to the game in it's competitive state (be it in passing with MVP talks, or otherwise).

[spurraider21]

I've been saying that the entire time, dumbass. Being responsible for 6 points--or should we add another 7 and then subtract 3 or whatever from Harvin's plays?--in the midst of a blowout is "great", well then...good for you. Doesn't make any goddamn sense and cheapens the word, but we clearly didn't learn the same definition growing up. That's all.
the seahawks offense put up points 5 of the 6 first times they had the ball, with 3 touchdowns and 2 field goals (not including defense/special teams). wilson was accurate all game, with his first attempt being the only notable mishap. he was money on third downs. sure, i'd call that a great game for him.

you keep bringing up "the point where the game ended." at that point, he had the ball 3 fucking times, and took the team on 3 scoring drives :lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

the seahawks offense put up points 5 of the 6 first times they had the ball, with 3 touchdowns and 2 field goals (not including defense/special teams). wilson was accurate all game, with his first attempt being the only notable mishap. he was money on third downs. sure, i'd call that a great game for him.

you keep bringing up "the point where the game ended." at that point, he had the ball 3 fucking times, and took the team on 3 scoring drives :lol
Evading the question, what were his raw #'s when it was over at 29-0 after that Harvin score? If they're truly as great as you say they are they will speak for themselves and resound with greatness and his name shall be spoken with reverent tones throughout the land.

[spurraider21]

Evading the question, what were his raw #'s when it was over at 29-0 after that Harvin score? If they're truly as great as you say they are they will speak for themselves and resound with greatness and his name shall be spoken with reverent tones throughout the land.
at that point he had 2 possessions that started on his side of the field. unless you wanted him to magically conjure up methods to acquire more possessions, then i guess his raw #'s are shit out of luck.

in the first half he was 9/14 passing for 94 yards and 2 rushes for 10 yards, while going 4-6 on third downs. the offense had put up 13 points in 3 possessions to this point.

[spurraider21]

by the way you forgot to mention how i ever went in circles or changed my argument. do you want me to quote all my posts from this thread again, or can you answer that

[DeadlyDynasty]

the seahawks offense put up points 5 of the 6 first times they had the ball, with 3 touchdowns and 2 field goals (not including defense/special teams). wilson was accurate all game, with his first attempt being the only notable mishap. he was money on third downs. sure, i'd call that a great game for him.

you keep bringing up "the point where the game ended." at that point, he had the ball 3 fucking times, and took the team on 3 scoring drives :lol
You can't even help yourself with wording it. :rollin "Led:lol" to 15 points, none of which came from his own hand. Short fields, Percy Harvin, and Lynch carrying it in. Again, you can't separate yourself from the moment. Just post post the #'s already, not this dog and pony show filled with suppositions and undue praise. 29-0 after Harvin (again, pretty obvious the game was OVER at this point). Post his #'s when the game was "in doubt" as well as the #'s after that. I'm curious, and want to learn your barometer of greatness

[DeadlyDynasty]

at that point he had 2 possessions that started on his side of the field. unless you wanted him to magically conjure up methods to acquire more possessions, then i guess his raw #'s are shit out of luck. in the first half he was 9/14 passing for 94 yards and 2 rushes for 10 yards, while going 4-6 on third downs.


Pretty much...you just can't in good conscious call that great with a straight face. Short fields, 2 stalled drives, one ref-aided PI that led to Lynch scoring and a 29-0 lead for all his troubles. Truly inspirational greatness.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Have a good one, b...will continue tonight.

[MeloHype]

:lmao Richard "shutdown except Demaryius has 12 catches on me" Sherman
Sherman only allowed 1 catch, and he was in zone coverage on that play

[FYM]

:lol waiting for more, tbh

count me in but I was saying that before too

[spurraider21]

Pretty much...you just can't in good conscious call that great with a straight face. Short fields, 2 stalled drives, one ref-aided PI that led to Lynch scoring and a 29-0 lead for all his troubles. Truly inspirational greatness.
:lol stalled drives... where he got them down the field in the first place while beast mode couldn't do jack shit. his 3rd down numbers were incredible, and his offense scored every time they had the ball. and :lol giving lynch the credit on a dirve where he had 5 carries for 8 yards. i've seen mike alstott plunge many a 1-yard touchdowns, but i wouldn't have said he led the Bucs on those scoring drives. gimme a break. Ref aided PI???? the db had BOTH of his hands on the guy with his arms extended the entire way.

[spurraider21]

again you can be a typical box score junky and cry about the raw numbers, but anybody with a half a brain would account for the fact that they only had 3 possessions to work with the entire half, and they scored 3 times. in the 2nd half they scored TD's on 2 of their first 3 offensive possessions as well. you can dismiss those due to the state of the game, but its still the fucking superbowl and he showed up to not allow a Colts-Chief's esque comeback to even be a remote possibility

[DeadlyDynasty]

:lol stalled drives... where he got them down the field in the first place while beast mode couldn't do jack shit. his 3rd down numbers were incredible, and his offense scored every time they had the ball. and :lol giving lynch the credit on a dirve where he had 5 carries for 8 yards. i've seen mike alstott plunge many a 1-yard touchdowns, but i wouldn't have said he led the Bucs on those scoring drives. gimme a break. Ref aided PI???? the db had BOTH of his hands on the guy with his arms extended the entire way.
Again, bending the narrative to fit your made-up level of greatness. "Where he got them down the field" Yeah, 2 short fields, one made drastically shorter by Harvin's run. Also, that PI was on a pass that was uncatchable--giving RW credit for that is shameless--especially when you wanna detract from Marshawn getting the actual TD.

Everytime you shit on Lynch for not producing against an 8-man box (clear cut focal point of the D), you detract from RW's first half #'s even more. It wasn't possible to face a more pass-friendly defense then he did, and he got maybe six points out of it while it was still a game. You can't give him all 13 when you factor in Harvin, the fact he had no TD passes in that half and the PI call was on an uncatchable ball(:lol), AND he was given great FP every time

The Chiefs game has nothing to do with this game, but I'll indulge you: Pretty sure Peyton/anybody in SB history has never comeback from 29 pts down, and the Seahawks only once gave up more than even 24 pts an ENTIRE GAME this year (Luck's Colts, 34):lmao. So again, "anybody with half a brain" knew it was over after the Harvin KO. After the Harvin KO, he acquired both TDS and over 50% of his passing yds in garbage time--or if garbage is too sensitive a term for you--THE TIME WHEN THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME WAS NO LONGER IN DOUBT.

You can't spin greatness out of that with a straight face, sorry.

Since we're looking at games that have nothing to do with this one, can we send Alex Smith's game jersey to Canton from that WC game? That was greatness 3x over according to the established standards here.

[spurraider21]

5 scoring drives in his first 6 possessions. 3 touchdown drives in 6 possessions. you accused me of box score watching and you are looking at raw numbers without realizing how few possessions they had in the first 3 quarters of the game

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm accusing you of not knowing what greatness is, essentially.:lol

So all his 3rd down throws that you rave about in the competitive portion of the game (4-6 liike you said, right?) were on the first 2 drives...FG drives, one of which was Harvin's doing:lol

9-14, 94 yds, 0 tds. No drive was over 60 yards in that timeframe thanks to defense and ST excellence, and yet his proudest work came on 2 FG drives against the Broncos D. Two stalled drives that you blamed on Lynch because he had to go against stacked run D's.:lol

This is what you define as greatness.

OTOH, his stat-padding was great, I gotta say: 9-11, 102 yds, 2 tds in the post 29-0 aftermath.

[HI-FI]

:lol
good thing spurraider going to law school, might as well get paid for the arguing.

[spurraider21]

you can disregard the latter stats as unimportant but its still the big stage and the fucking superbowl :lol. maybe if alex smith did a better job stat padding the chiefs would have made the 2nd round

you keep railing on the guy because he didn't have the ball for much of the first half. he had 3 possessions and they scored 3 times. thats that. in his first 6 drives the offense had 3 td's and 2 fg's. in a game where lynch was sucking balls outside of one 18 yard run on their own half of the field, yeah i'd call that great. you will literally struggle to find a drive where the seahawks didn't score

[DeadlyDynasty]

If you wanna rave about his "deadliness" on 3rd down throws that contributed to 6 pts in competitive time (along with Harvin's top play), more power to ya buddy.

If you wanna rave about his 2 "fuck you" td's in garbage time we can do that too. "Lynch sucked balls" because he was running into a wall all night:rollin

Denver clearly saw the game tape of the first 2 playoff games, and we all saw who they were geared to stop.

[spurraider21]

Harvin had 2 offensive plays that amounted to anything, relax. Both end arounds to the left. One went for about 30 yards on the 2nd play of their first drive, and another for roughly 15 yards. and yes, i will point to his 3rd down efficiency. take any of those 3rd down conversions out and they don't score on those drives

[The Gemini Method]

Ref-aided PI? C'mon that was not a questionable call--Russell didn't have a historic game but he also didn't 'just' game manage. Making critical 3rd down conversions were vital in keeping the opportunities for a Denver comeback at a minimum. The MVP was the Legion, granted, but if Wilson falters to at least take advantage of the D ballin' out this would've been a closer game. Lynch was in a Skittles coma and proved to be nullified as part of Broncos' defensive effort.

[313]

Sherman's impact on the game was comparable to Wilson's, but he did seal the NFCCG though.

tbh he might have had an interception if it wasn't for Thomas(I think it was) pushing him down.