Dynasty?

[Avante]

As we all know there is no AFC team with that offense/defense combo to deal with the Niners, Green Bay and of course Seattle. Their stud QB;'s are old, Andrew Luck is a turnover machine and Andy Dalton is a fucking joke. Hell Big Ben and the Steelers could be the best team there next season. So it all comes down to what NFC team can put the Seahawks on the road in the playoffs, they aren't losing at home as we know. That isn't looking good.

If Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin can stay healthy, they manage to keep that D intact ($$$$$) and maybe add a speed back to the offense who can stop them from winning next season and the following season and.........

Pete Carroll mentioned trying to duplicate what those old Lombardi Packer teams did, which was....win the turnover battle, stuff the run, run, pressure the QB and play smart. As we can see this..ya gotta throw the ball...is a load of bullshit, no you do not..gotta throw the ball. Nobody here has a clue who those Packer receivers were back in the day, why?

Bart Starr was a master, he didn't fuck up, fullback Jim Taylor was a bull, they had a defense with a HOF at ever level. Nine future HOFer on those teams. Then here come those 70 Steelers, once again a stud D, a great running back. The 85 Bears...Walter Payton and a monster D. All Pete Carroll has done is go back in time to playing big big man football, run the ball, play monster D and don't fuck up.

Barring injuries to key personal I can see this Seahawk team winning at least two more Superbowls in the next five years. With the Niners winning the rest:hat

[Blake]

You're an obese senior citizen.

Translation: you're a fat ol fuck

[Spur-Addict]

STFU

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

lol shut the fuck up. this team isn't a dynasty.. everyone knows that the seahawks aren't better than denver.. they just played better.

seahawks won't even be on top of the NFC next year... Carolina will be... and quit sucking their dicks you're supposed to be a 9ers fan stop embarrassing your team

[Avante]

You're an obese senior citizen.

Translation: you're a fat ol fuck

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Bart Starr?

[Avante]

lol shut the fuck up. this team isn't a dynasty.. everyone knows that the seahawks aren't better than denver.. they just played better.

seahawks won't even be on top of the NFC next year... Carolina will be... and quit sucking their dicks you're supposed to be a 9ers fan stop embarrassing your team

Every post of yours screams.....I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE NFL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, why not just read, ok?

[Avante]

STFU

Too bad you guys are stuck up there in Canada south.

[Clipper Nation]

R.I.P. Seahawks dynasty, killed before it even began.... cause of death: Avante

[Avante]

Great coach
stud back
tons of receivers
MONSTER D
best young QB we've ever seen

What's not to like?

[Clipper Nation]

everyone knows that the seahawks aren't better than denver..
No, they're clearly the superior team.... Denver was a bunch of frauds who beat up on a cupcake-soft AFC...


seahawks won't even be on top of the NFC next year... Carolina will be...
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Every post of yours screams.....I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE NFL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, why not just read, ok?

I see you watch a lil too much ESPN.

They will not be the NFC champs next year... you will see why next year in week one when we host them on prime time.

[Avante]

R.I.P. Seahawks dynasty, killed before it even began.... cause of death: Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33483)

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Walter Payton?

[Clipper Nation]

best young QB we've ever seen
This is one of your most retarded takes ever, and that's saying something..... pretty sure '84 Marino is the best young QB we've ever seen, :lolld Fagg:lolt....

[Avante]

I see you watch a lil too much ESPN.

They will not be the NFC champs next year... you will see why next year in week one when we host them on prime time.

There is nobody on ESPN who can talk...

Cyril Pinder
Ted Dean
Ron Burton
Vic Washington
Andrew Hopkins
Warren McVea
Wray Carlton

....so what can they tell me?

[Blake]

best young QB we've ever seen


Everything about this screams you're fat, you're old and you don't know shit.

[Avante]

This is one of your most retarded takes ever, and that's saying something..... pretty sure '84 Marino is the best young QB we've ever seen, :lolld Fagg:lolt....

How about taking just a few minutes and actually compare the two after two seasons. We can start with wins.

[spurraider21]

There is zero reason for dynasty talk after a franchise won its inaugural superbowl

[The Gemini Method]

Oh man, Dynasty...we hardly knew ye. The NFC is basically 5 or 6 teams next year: Seattle, SF, N.O., and Arizona, Green Bay/Chicago. The rest are chumps.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

How about taking just a few minutes and actually compare the two after two seasons. We can start with wins.

Dude please... I'm a homer myself.. but nothing beats Marino's sophomore year...

but if we wanna look who has the second most yards in history after three years.... look no further to my signature <-

[Clipper Nation]

How about taking just a few minutes and actually compare the two after two seasons. We can start with wins.

In his second year in the league, Marino set the single-season touchdown record and the single-season passing yards record, both of which took 20+ years to be broken even with the constant offense-biased rule changes since that season..... meanwhile, your boy Wilson has been slightly above game-manager status :lol

:lolld Fagg:lolt

[Avante]

Everything about this screams you're fat, you're old and you don't know shit.

Wrong, wrong and well...wrong. Dummy do I really need to take your faggot ass to school talking....your....Cowboys? Talk to me about Pettis Norman ya dumb fuck, oh yeah, you can't!

[Spur-Addict]

R.I.P. Seahawks dynasty, killed before it even began.... cause of death: Avante

:cry:cry:cry

[The Gemini Method]

I think the world of Wilson but Marino was the definition of beast in his first few years. Dude was ill matic.

[Avante]

In his second year in the league, Marino set the single-season touchdown record and the single-season passing yards record, both of which took 20+ years to be broken even with the constant offense-biased rule changes since that season..... meanwhile, your boy Wilson has been slightly above game-manager status :lol

:lolld Fagg:lolt

Everybody knows that slick, I;m obviously talking about ....both seasons....ya reckon?

[The Gemini Method]

:cry:cry:cry

What would happen to this board if he makes a 180 on this year's predictions and gets all of them right next season? Would the board implode? Or, what if he goes lousy again? We sure he aint Bill Simmons?

[Clipper Nation]

Everybody knbows that slick

So you agree that "everybody knows" Wilson is slightly above game-manager status - so how is he the best young QB we've ever seen? :lol

[Spur-Addict]

What would happen to this board if he makes a 180 on this year's predictions and gets all of them right next season? Would the board implode? Or, what if he goes lousy again? We sure he aint Bill Simmons?

Temporary implosion, but then someone would reference this entire season :lol

[MeloHype]

Niners ain't winning shit until they get a QB that knows how to throw a football

[The Gemini Method]

Niners ain't winning shit until they get a QB that knows how to throw a football

What does N.O. need to stay up at the elite level and win the NFC South next season?

[Blake]

Wrong, wrong and well...wrong. Dummy do I really need to take your faggot ass to school talking....your....Cowboys? Talk to me about Pettis Norman ya dumb fuck, oh yeah, you can't!

No, you're wrong, fat ass. CN nailed you to the cross with Marino.

[Avante]

What would happen to this board if he makes a 180 on this year's predictions and gets all of them right next season? Would the board implode? Or, what if he goes lousy again? We sure he aint Bill Simmons?

I's called know your target audience, as we can see .....I do:lobt2:

[Avante]

No, you're wrong, fat ass. CN nailed you to the cross with Marino.

Compare their two years stats and wins and Superbowl success, tell me what you get.

[Raven]

I's called know your target audience, as we can see .....I do:lobt2:

you're basically admitting you're a clown.

[Clipper Nation]

Compare their two years stats and wins and Superbowl success, tell me what you get.

Marino's second year blows any statistical comparison between the two out of the water..... both Marino and Russ made the Super Bowl in their second year, but Marino didn't have the luxury of a fraud opponent or a roster as stacked as the Seahawks' to carry him :lol

[Clipper Nation]

I's called know your target audience, as we can see .....I do:lobt2:
So you make shitty picks on purpose to troll your target audience? Then why did you get embarrassed and blame it all on your son last year, and why did your wife ban you from betting this year? :lol

[Avante]

you're basically admitting you're a clown.

Hardly a clown my man especially since I could take you to school talking Pats.

[Avante]

So you make shitty picks on purpose to troll your target audience? Then why did you get embarrassed and blame it all on your son last year, and why did your wife ban you from betting this year? :lol

It's all about working an audience, I saw just how easily manipulated you kids were. I get a kick out of it.

[Raven]

Hardly a clown my man especially since I could take you to school talking Pats.

i'm sure ronald mc donald is good at making cheesburgers too, doesn't make him any less of a clown.

[Avante]

Marino's second year blows any statistical comparison between the two out of the water..... both Marino and Russ made the Super Bowl in their second year, but Marino didn't have the luxury of a fraud opponent or a roster as stacked as the Seahawks' to carry him :lol

RW walked in started from day one, Marion didn't do that. RW had two seasons completing over 60% of his passes Marino didn't do that. RW had two 100 plus QB rating seasons, Marino didn't do that. RW won his Superbowl, Marino didn't do that. RW has won more games, has a better rookie year has started every game. And it's only Dan Marino who can even be in this discussion so what's that tell you?

[Clipper Nation]

It's all about working an audience, I saw just how easily manipulated you kids were. I get a kick out of it.

translation:

:cry "I'm the shittiest bettor alive.... I have to use the 'I was just trolling' excuse to make up for my utter failure in picking two straight seasons' worth of NFL games!" :cry

[Avante]

i'm sure ronald mc donald is good at making cheesburgers too, doesn't make him any less of a clown.

Bottom line is get that attention, make an impact, I have that mastered.

[Blake]

It's all about working an audience, I saw just how easily manipulated you kids were. I get a kick out of it.

Nobody buys that your whining and crying was just an act.

Everyone sees right through your blubber, porky

[Clipper Nation]

Bottom line is get that attention, make an impact, I have that mastered.

Getting attention by being a retarded old faggot is hardly something to brag about, tbh....

[Avante]

translation:

:cry "I'm the shittiest bettor alive.... I have to use the 'I was just trolling' excuse to make up for my utter failure in picking two straight seasons' worth of NFL games!" :cry

translation

I can never stay on topic, it's my bi polar.

[Avante]

Getting attention by being a retarded old faggot is hardly something to brag about, tbh....

I agree.;

[MeloHype]

What does N.O. need to stay up at the elite level and win the NFC South next season?
Left tackle and a defensive player that can tackle in January

[Clipper Nation]

I agree.;

So then why are you bragging about all the attention you get? :lol

[Avante]

Nobody buys that your whining and crying was just an act.

Everyone sees right through your blubber, porky

Dude, look at yourself do you ever do anything here but pester others? I have worked you since day one because it's so damn easy to do.

[Avante]

So then why are you bragging about all the attention you get? :lol

Who was bragging? I deal in facts!

Getting back to Marino vs RW, that right there should tell you all you need to know about this.,

[Clipper Nation]

Who was bragging? I deal in facts!

Again, you get attention from being a retarded old faggot.... not sure why you're hyping that up as some amazing skill :lol

[Blake]

Bottom line is get that attention, make an impact, I have that mastered.

You got the attention because you're a failure that won't own your fails. Nobody thinks your posts are worth a damn.

The only reason anyone is here is just to shit on you for being a stupid ol fuck.

[Avante]

Again, you get attention from being a retarded old faggot.... not sure why you're hyping that up as some amazing skill :lol

You don't do anything to get attention little man. Who can't do what you do which is...0...?

[DAF86]

lol shut the fuck up. this team isn't a dynasty.. everyone knows that the seahawks aren't better than denver.. they just played better.

seahawks won't even be on top of the NFC next year... Carolina will be... and quit sucking their dicks you're supposed to be a 9ers fan stop embarrassing your team

lol what?

Please explain me why Denver is a better team than Seattle.

[Avante]

You got the attention because you're a failure. Nobody thinks your posts are worth a damn.

Dude, I can say...BOO!....4 pages while you do nothing but leech off everyone else.....right?

[Avante]

This is too damn easy, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

Dude, I can say...BOO!....4 pages while you do nothing but leech off everyone else.....right?

First of all, you inflate your own page counts by feeling the need to reply to everything anyone says about you, usually with the same tired old lines about how "we're all leeches" and "you know your target audience"...

Second of all, nobody actually cares about your posts except to shit on you for your abysmal takes :lol

[Avante]

First of all, you inflate your own page counts by feeling the need to reply to everything anyone says about you, usually with the same tired old lines about how "we're all leeches" and "you know your target audience"...

Second of all, nobody actually cares about your posts except to shit on you for your abysmal takes :lol

Well here you are yet again again and again.........you have all those other threads out there but where do you come, yep...Avante. Why is that amigo, how come you follow me around like you do? You seem obssessed with me, what's up with that? You never do anything yourself because you're too fucking stupid then follow me around trying to play critic.....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, don't read me....ok?

Everything ypou post here and else where is nothing but put downs and criticizms, do I need to prove that fact? Nobody likes you amigo because you're a fucking prick,

[J.T.]

As we all know there is no AFC team with that offense/defense combo to deal with the Niners, Green Bay and of course Seattle. Their stud QB;'s are old, Andrew Luck is a turnover machine...

Let's break this down with some good ol' fashioned metrics.

Andrew Luck Career vs Seahawks
Games Started: 1
Games Won: 1
Passing Yards: 229
Passing Touchdowns: 2
Fumbles: 0
Interceptions: 0

Boiled down::
Luck 1, Wilson 0

[Clipper Nation]

Well here you are yet again again and again.........you have all those other threads out there but where do you come, yep...Avante. Why is that amigo, how come you follow me around like you do? You seem obssessed with me, what's up with that? You never do anything yourself because you're too fucking stupid then follow me around trying to play critic.....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, don't read me....ok?

Everything ypou post here and else where is nothing but put downs and criticizms, do I need to prove that fact? Nobody likes you amigo because you're a fucking prick,

You're fat

[Avante]

Let's break this down with some good ol' fashioned metrics.

Andrew Luck Career vs Seahawks
Games Started: 1
Games Won: 1
Passing Yards: 229
Passing Touchdowns: 2
Fumbles: 0
Interceptions: 0

Boiled down::
Luck 1, Wilson 0


Then there's always.

playoff wins

Luck...one!
Wilson...a few more than that, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!

pro bowls

Luck..one (yes I know)
RW...two

Reg season wins

Luck...22-10
RW...24-8

Comp %

Luck...57.0
RW...63.6

TD's

Luck...46
RW...52 (rookie record)

INT's

Luck....27
RW...19

QB Rating

Luck...81.5
RW...100.6 among the higest ever after two seasons, histories only 100 rating for first two seasons


As we can see it's not really even all that close. Oh yeah, no QB has won my games after two seasons.

The last time we saw Andrew Luck he was losing a playoff game by throwing 18 INT;s, the last time we saw Russell Wilson........................................

[Avante]

You're fat

translation

Damn that Avante he kicked my narrow little ass yet again, when will I ever learn?

[Clipper Nation]

translation

Damn that Avante he kicked my narrow little ass yet again, when will I ever learn?

translation

:cry "Why am I so morbidly obese?" :cry

[Avante]

translation

:cry "Why am I so morbidly obese?" :cry

translation

I love you Avante, you make me wet.

[Clipper Nation]

translation

I love you Avante, you make me wet.
http://i.imgur.com/4TUpzgS.gif

[Avante]

Imagine two drafts a couple stud free agents signings, yep, it's up to my Niners to stop them, we are the only ones who can.

[hehateme]

Wilson going to blow out both his knees next year from Avante picking him as the greatest QB ever. Here is a pre-emptive sorry for all the Seahawk fans to look back on.

[Avante]

http://i.imgur.com/4TUpzgS.gif

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That Avante cracks me up, all that football, boxing, literature, music, track knowlewdge and he'sfunny and sexy, wow! Why he even wastes his time on a little moron like me...????

[Avante]

Wilson going to blow out both his knees next year from Avante picking him as the greatest QB ever. Here is a pre-emptive sorry for all the Seahawk fans to look back on.

Nowhere have I ever said he was greatest QB ever. Right now he's just having as good a two years as we've ever seen. He is not on a par with any of those top tier QB's........right now. He wouldn't make a zit on Joe Montana's ass......so get it right.

[Pelicans78]

lol shut the fuck up. this team isn't a dynasty.. everyone knows that the seahawks aren't better than denver.. they just played better.

seahawks won't even be on top of the NFC next year... Carolina will be... and quit sucking their dicks you're supposed to be a 9ers fan stop embarrassing your team

You're an embarassment. Quit posting about your fucking Panthers who were one and done in the playoffs.

Seattle was the better team and the best team all season and they easily have a chance to win another Super Bowl. They're already much better than the Panthers and younger. Panthers aren't shit outside of their front 7 and Cam's play-making. Shut the fuck up sometimes.

[Pelicans78]

I see you watch a lil too much ESPN.

They will not be the NFC champs next year... you will see why next year in week one when we host them on prime time.

You guys aren't hosting shit since you were one and done and you hosted them this season in week one and still lost. Get over it.

[Darth_Pelican]

What does N.O. need to stay up at the elite level and win the NFC South next season?

Don't change a thing in home games. Let it fly and light up the scoreboard en route to 8-0 record.

Better game planning by the coaches for road games. Stop being so pass happy on the road, especially when playing in the elements. The Saints proved near the end of the season that they could pound the ball on the road. Also, better defensive play on the road when it matters the most, on final possessions. Two losses came on the final possession when we needed 1 stop. Payton's clock management can be blamed for letting those teams get a final possession in the first place, but you also have to tighten up on D when it matters the most.

[hehateme]

Nowhere have I ever said he was greatest QB ever. Right now he's just having as good a two years as we've ever seen. He is not on a par with any of those top tier QB's........right now. He wouldn't make a zit on Joe Montana's ass......so get it right.


Great coach
stud back
tons of receivers
MONSTER D
best young QB we've ever seen

What's not to like?

nary another word old faggot. All I see in your future is another trip to the "mountains" to rape another goat.

[Pelicans78]

Everybody knows that slick, I;m obviously talking about ....both seasons....ya reckon?

Marino didn't play a full season in year one. He was 7-2 his rookie year which was more impressive than what Wilson did last season since the QB position is much easier to handle now with the watered down passing games compared to what Marino did his rookie season. Marino was 7-2 and 14-2 his first two seasons and doing it in much more difficult circumstances without an elite defense or running.

[Avante]

nary another word old faggot. All I see in your future is another trip to the "mountains" to rape another goat.

Nobody should be this fucking stupid. Hey moron how many of those legendary QB's retired as....young QB's...well? You need to sty out of big people threads, ok dummy?

[Pelicans78]

What does N.O. need to stay up at the elite level and win the NFC South next season?

Focus on being more balanced on offense and shoring up their secondary. The D-line is beasting and they have enough at the skilled positions, but they need to make it a bit easier for Brees and the o-line which is average overall. They need to find a way to keep their RT Zach Strief and continue to get more out of their RBs Ingram and Khry Robinson. I think Pierre Thomas is gone.

[hehateme]

Nobody should be this fucking stupid. Hey moron how many of those legendary QB's retired as....young QB's...well? You need to sty out of big people threads, ok dummy?

You've already stepped in your own shit and now you must clean it up. Why....don't....you...shut....the....fuck...up, old faggot?

[Avante]

Marino didn't play a full season in year one. He was 7-2 his rookie year which was more impressive than what Wilson did last season since the QB position is much easier to handle now with the watered down passing games compared to what Marino did his rookie season. Marino was 7-2 and 14-2 his first two seasons and doing it in much more difficult circumstances without an elite defense or running.

We all know that which is my point. RW has walked in and played his first 32 games, something Marino didn't do. He had a better rookie year, tying NFL records. He had a higher QB rating and nobody has won more games in their first two seasons.

BUT...here you are having to talk ..DAN MARINO..in order to finda comparision, what's they tell us about Russell Wilson? Why not use Joe Montana, Brett Favre, John Elway, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Johnny Unitas, Otto Graham, Slingin' SAmmy Baugh......WELL????????? How about RGIII....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! How about Andrew Luck..hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pelicans78]

RW walked in started from day one, Marion didn't do that. RW had two seasons completing over 60% of his passes Marino didn't do that. RW had two 100 plus QB rating seasons, Marino didn't do that. RW won his Superbowl, Marino didn't do that. RW has won more games, has a better rookie year has started every game. And it's only Dan Marino who can even be in this discussion so what's that tell you?

Marino was a rookie behind a guy who was a starter in the Super Bowl and took over halfway thru the season and lit up opposing defenses as a rookie. How many rookie QBs did that back in those days? No one did that outside Marino and yet you claim you know your history. Plus, passing the football was way more difficult back in those days when the rules didn't favor the offenses. Marino basically carried the Dolphins to the Super Bowl and lost to an All-time great Niners team. You think RW would have had a chance against that team with the same roster? You don't think Marino would put up huge numbers playing in this era?

Dude shut the fuck up sometimes. You don't know what the fuck you're talking up. You are a fucking clown.

[Darth_Pelican]

Focus on being more balanced on offense and shoring up their secondary. The D-line is beasting and they have enough at the skilled positions, but they need to make it a bit easier for Brees and the o-line which is average overall. They need to find a way to keep their RT Zach Strief and continue to get more out of their RBs Ingram and Khry Robinson. I think Pierre Thomas is gone.

I think Pierre might be gone as well, which is sad because when he was in his prime, he was always our unsung hero and one of my favorites.

We also need Lewis and Vaccaro to be healthy.

[Pelicans78]

We all know that which is my point. RW has walked in and played his first 32 games, something Marino didn't do. He had a better rookie year, tying NFL records. He had a higher QB rating and nobody has won more games in their first two seasons.

BUT...here you are having to talk ..DAN MARINO..in order to finda comparision, what's they tell us about Russell Wilson? Why not use Joe Montana, Brett Favre, John Elway, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Johnny Unitas, Otto Graham, Slingin' SAmmy Baugh......WELL????????? How about RGIII....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! How about Andrew Luck..hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That same Seahawks team went 8-8 with fucking Tavaris Jackson. You don't think anyone of those QBs could have walked in with that roster and won a ton of games in this era where the league is more QB friendly than ever? Why is it so hard for you to put things in context and perspective? Are you disabled mentally?

[Avante]

Marino was a rookie behind a guy who was a starter in the Super Bowl and took over halfway thru the season and lit up opposing defenses as a rookie. How many rookie QBs did that back in those days? No one did that outside Marino and yet you claim you know your history. Plus, passing the football was way more difficult back in those days when the rules didn't favor the offenses. Marino basically carried the Dolphins to the Super Bowl and lost to an All-time great Niners team. You think RW would have had a chance against that team with the same roster? You don't think Marino would put up huge numbers playing in this era?

Dude shut the fuck up sometimes. You don't know what the fuck you're talking up. You are a fucking clown.

Dude, I saw Marino play at fucking Pitt, so cool your bullshit...ok? The bottom line is he didn't play in as many games and he didn't throw as many tds. Another bottom line little guy is look at what it's taking to talk a comparison, the great DAN MARINO!!!!!!!!! That doesn't tell you something moron?

Do I really need to break down the starting 22 for ya when Marino played in the Superbowl, oh yeah....for both teams!!!!!!!!!

[Blake]

Barring injuries to key personal I can see this Seahawk team winning at least two more Superbowls in the next five years. With the Niners winning the rest:hat

Ok, the reason you're a stupid old fuck is that you're not factoring in Wilson and Kap's contracts.

They're literally getting paid peanuts in salary terms. How are they going to add or keep anyone once they get their piece of the pie.

It remains to be seen if Wilson can carry a team if they need it. I'm currently going with "no, he can't".

[Avante]

Ok, the reason you're a stupid old fuck is that you're not factoring in Wilson and Kap's contracts.

They're literally getting paid peanuts in salary terms. How are they going to add anyone once they get their piece of the pie.

It remains to be seen if Wilson can carry a team if they need it. I'm currently going with "no, he can't".

Dude, have you ever seen any NFL (even in your youngun days) team who couldn't add players? And neither franchise is in dire need of anything. When have the Niners not been able to sign players...well? Ttust me little man these are the two franchises that will rule things for awhile.

And there is no logical reason of any kind to not think RW could excell in any situation, only a dummy would think that.

[Blake]

Dude, have you ever seen any NFL (even in your youngun days) team who couldn't add players? And neither franchise is in dire need of anything. When have the Niners not been able to sign players...well? Ttust me little man these are the two franchises that will rule things for awhile.

And there is no logical reason of any kind to not think RW could excell in any situation, only a dummy would think that.

The salary cap and rookie salary rules are much different than in my youngin days.

Damn you're stupid.

[Pelicans78]

I think Pierre might be gone as well, which is sad because when he was in his prime, he was always our unsung hero and one of my favorites.

We also need Lewis and Vaccaro to be healthy.

I think we need to get rid of all the veterans on defense outside of Lofton, Lewis, and Hawthorne, and Bunkley I guess. Get rid of Harper, Greer, Vilma, Smith.

Resign Jenkins. He bounced back well this season. Get another CB and move White back to the nickel. The d-line is stacked for a long time.

On offense, get a new center, re-sign Strief. Skilled positions are fine otherwise.

[Pelicans78]

Dude, I saw Marino play at fucking Pitt, so cool your bullshit...ok? The bottom line is he didn't play in as many games and he didn't throw as many tds. Another bottom line little guy is look at what it's taking to talk a comparison, the great DAN MARINO!!!!!!!!! That doesn't tell you something moron?

Do I really need to break down the starting 22 for ya when Marino played in the Superbowl, oh yeah....for both teams!!!!!!!!!

Anybody can do that on the internet fuck face. But go ahead and do it if it makes u cum faggot.

[Blake]

I'd lay a mortgage payment that once Wilson gets paid, he never reaches another super bowl as a starter.

Only way is if he keeps restructuring his contract

[Pelicans78]

BTW, this Seahawks team is capable of winning 1-2 more titles.

I thought the Niners could have, but Gore is getting worse, they're gonna lose more guys on defense eventually and Kaep isn't good enough to carry the load.

[Avante]

That same Seahawks team went 8-8 with fucking Tavaris Jackson. You don't think anyone of those QBs could have walked in with that roster and won a ton of games in this era where the league is more QB friendly than ever? Why is it so hard for you to put things in context and perspective? Are you disabled mentally?

I;m not to one trying my damnest to ignore reality, that would be you. So you can stick...disabled mentality...up your ass. Dummy I've seen some QB's play football that is context and perspective, hell moron I saw Archie Manning QB your Saints. I know what a great QB to be looks like, it's called.......experience.

Everyone who understand the game and knows the game can't say enought good things about Russell Wilson, the reason being they also see what I;m seeing. What some dummy like you knows better...hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brazil]

You all are wrong tbh... next year starts the Detroit Lions dynasty everybody should know that

[Avante]

Anybody can do that on the internet fuck face. But go ahead and do it if it makes u cum faggot.

You can't do it fuck face, so suck a dick. I actually have it all right here beside me, ya see little man I read.

[hehateme]

You can't do it fuck face, so suck a dick. I actually have it all right here beside me, ya see little man I read.

old google faggot, with the bads "right here beside me" bs :lmao

[Avante]

BTW, this Seahawks team is capable of winning 1-2 more titles.

I thought the Niners could have, but Gore is getting worse, they're gonna lose more guys on defense eventually and Kaep isn't good enough to carry the load.

Wrong yet again.

Gore had another 1000 yard season and averaged over 4 yards a carry...again. We do have Marcus Lattimore in waiting.

[Avante]

old google faggot, with the bads "right here beside me" bs :lmao

GOOGLE is for know nothings like you. Hell I could ask questions even GOOGLE couldn't help you.

[Avante]

I really do wish there were posters here who could really talk football, it bums me.

Ok, that's how ya knock out 4 pages in a few hours, yep...a master!

See ya about a week, hopefully with 20 more acres in my name:hat

[Clipper Nation]

Another bottom line little guy is look at what it's taking to talk a comparison, the great DAN MARINO!!!!!!!!! That doesn't tell you something moron?

It tells me that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about when you call Wilson the best young QB ever when Marino was a million times better....

[Clipper Nation]

Ok, that's how ya knock out 4 pages in a few hours

Yeah, posting 39 times in your own thread is how you knock out 4 pages in a few hours....

[Blake]

I really do wish there were posters here who could really talk football, it bums me.


Lol 70%

[hehateme]

Yeah, posting 39 times in your own thread is how you knock out 4 pages in a few hours....

I noticed that too. Up until his last post it was:

Others in this thread - 60 posts
old faggot - 39 posts

[hehateme]

GOOGLE is for know nothings like you. Hell I could ask questions even GOOGLE couldn't help you.

by the way you were wrong...google still found results

http://i61.tinypic.com/24zgbux.jpg

[The Gemini Method]

Don't change a thing in home games. Let it fly and light up the scoreboard en route to 8-0 record.

Better game planning by the coaches for road games. Stop being so pass happy on the road, especially when playing in the elements. The Saints proved near the end of the season that they could pound the ball on the road. Also, better defensive play on the road when it matters the most, on final possessions. Two losses came on the final possession when we needed 1 stop. Payton's clock management can be blamed for letting those teams get a final possession in the first place, but you also have to tighten up on D when it matters the most. That seems like what the Seahawks had to do from last year to this year. Could be possible with a good/great defense that the Saints have. What's the deal with Jabari Greer? Is he the no.1 CB on your squad? I don't follow to closely, but he seemed to really lead that secondary.


Focus on being more balanced on offense and shoring up their secondary. The D-line is beasting and they have enough at the skilled positions, but they need to make it a bit easier for Brees and the o-line which is average overall. They need to find a way to keep their RT Zach Strief and continue to get more out of their RBs Ingram and Khry Robinson. I think Pierre Thomas is gone. Did they Franchise Jimmy Graham. I know Pierre Thomas is gone from my FF league...

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

You guys aren't hosting shit since you were one and done and you hosted them this season in week one and still lost. Get over it.

I'll tell ya what we did host... A game in the second round because we broke your declining teams heart and playoff visions in 30 secs scrub

btw that was in week one when we were at our low point... We lost to the bills after that... And we only lost by 5 when defumblo fumbled at the goal line. We match up well with them.

[Blake]

Did they Franchise Jimmy Graham. I know Pierre Thomas is gone from my FF league...

Talking heads on radio say that Graham will pull a Jermichael Finley and fight aTE tag by claiming he's a WR

[MeloHype]

http://i.imgur.com/ezUt2s7.jpg

[Pelicans78]

I'll tell ya what we did host... A game in the second round because we broke your declining teams heart and playoff visions in 30 secs scrub

btw that was in week one when we were at our low point... We lost to the bills after that... And we only lost by 5 when defumblo fumbled at the goal line. We match up well with them.

Doesn't matter you guys had homefield. You didn't go any further. Lost in the same round you stupid fuck and with a closer margin on the road at Seattle while you guys lost by double digit at home. That shows what frauds your Panthers really were. You think the Saints would get punked out like that on their homefield? Of course not because you saw what happened to your Panthers on a Sunday Night in the Superdome when the Saints were coming off a short week from the Seattle Monday night loss. Your team still got their assed handed to them. No better than what the Cowboys did in the Dome.

[Pelicans78]

That seems like what the Seahawks had to do from last year to this year. Could be possible with a good/great defense that the Saints have. What's the deal with Jabari Greer? Is he the no.1 CB on your squad? I don't follow to closely, but he seemed to really lead that secondary.

Did they Franchise Jimmy Graham. I know Pierre Thomas is gone from my FF league...

Keenan Lewis is the top corner. Greer was the top corner for years until this past season when Lewis was signed. The secondary does need another corner because I think Greer is past his prime.

[Pelicans78]

Wrong yet again.

Gore had another 1000 yard season and averaged over 4 yards a carry...again. We do have Marcus Lattimore in waiting.

You mean the same Lattimore with two horrific knee injuries in college? I wish him well, but he ain't a sure thing. Still, the defense will lose more guys eventually and you guys have to hope Kaep can further carry the load. The Niners aren't as young as Seattle either.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Doesn't matter you guys had homefield. You didn't go any further. Lost in the same round you stupid fuck and with a closer margin on the road at Seattle while you guys lost by double digit at home. That shows what frauds your Panthers really were. You think the Saints would get punked out like that on their homefield? Of course not because you saw what happened to your Panthers on a Sunday Night in the Superdome when the Saints were coming off a short week from the Seattle Monday night loss. Your team still got their assed handed to them. No better than what the Cowboys did in the Dome.

Yeah and you guys didn't. You guys have won one road playoff game in your entire franchise' history. We may not have made it as far, but we sure did keep you guys from it. Losing one game now, when losing our best pass rusher in Johnson means we were frauds? :lmao you know how many games we lost with Johnson in the line-up this year? 0. and he got injured on the first damn play. We won 11 of our last 12 but we're frauds haha.. ok I'll take it. Bet we have a better record than yall next year

[Pelicans78]

Yeah and you guys didn't. You guys have won one road playoff game in your entire franchise' history. We may not have made it as far, but we sure did keep you guys from it. Losing one game now, when losing our best pass rusher in Johnson means we were frauds? :lmao you know how many games we lost with Johnson in the line-up this year? 0. and he got injured on the first damn play. We won 11 of our last 12 but we're frauds haha.. ok I'll take it. Bet we have a better record than yall next year

Oh please blaming injuries is weak. Every time has injuries. The Saints had 6 starters on defense who had season ending injuries but that doesn't mean shit. At the end of the day, your offense couldn't score on the goal line when it mattered which is the reason why your team got beat down on its home field. But either way, it didn't matter who won the South since Seattle was going to win it all anyway once they got homefield. But your team has alot more holes than the Saints and Brees is a way better passer than Newton will ever be. Panthers don't even scare me next season. Typical one year wonders.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Panthers don't even scare me next season. Typical one year wonders.

Hahahaha.

So it's a coincidence the games Johnson were out were all games we lost? And it's a coincidence we won 11 of our last 12? And it's a coincidence that we played a team that we beat who wanted redemption on us?

The 49ers were a better team that weekend and more experienced. But we are a better team than NO.

"One year wonders" :lmao bro Cam alone will be more relevant than your entire team in the years to come. Promise you that.

And no :lmao you do not have "less holes" than we do. Another cornerback, another receiver, a right tackle and we will be in the SB.

[Pelicans78]

Hahahaha.

So it's a coincidence the games Johnson were out were all games we lost? And it's a coincidence we won 11 of our last 12? And it's a coincidence that we played a team that we beat who wanted redemption on us?

The 49ers were a better team that weekend and more experienced. But we are a better team than NO.

"One year wonders" :lmao bro Cam alone will be more relevant than your entire team in the years to come. Promise you that.

And no :lmao you do not have "less holes" than we do. Another cornerback, another receiver, a right tackle and we will be in the SB.

What holes do the Saints have?

You guys aren't better than the Saints. The two head to head meetings proved that when the Saints beat down the Panthers in NOLA and lost on a last second TD in Charlotte despite having way more yardage. Saints currently has a better secondary, WRs, better TEs, much better QB, better o-line, probably better RBs, and an equal d-line. The only advantage the Panthers have is LBs. That's it.

Cam ain't gonna be shit. He's got alot of holes in his game especially when he didn't do crap against elite defenses this year. He was abysmal and didn't have a single good game.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

What holes do the Saints have?

You guys aren't better than the Saints. The two head to head meetings proved that when the Saints beat down the Panthers in NOLA and lost on a last second TD in Charlotte despite having way more yardage. Saints currently has a better secondary, WRs, better TEs, much better QB, better o-line, probably better RBs, and an equal d-line. The only advantage the Panthers have is LBs. That's it.

Cam ain't gonna be shit. He's got alot of holes in his game especially when he didn't do crap against elite defenses this year. He was abysmal and didn't have a single good game.

:lmao you are delusional as hell.

Notice how whenever the Saints lose all Saints fans say are "we dominated the game, more yards :cry". That's because your system is made for that. You guys suck at executing, and Brees is just not clutch anymore. In fact, he is anti-clutch.

You guys have a better QB right now, in passing, but overall Cam has been way more clutch (which is non-disputable) and has way more of an upside. He also led the team to a better record (go figure). We also have better running backs (LOL at you even suggesting this), and our #1 receiver it ass-loads better than Colston. We have two lineman in the pro-bowl. Our entire defense is better than you except our DB's.. I'd even say Captain is better than any safety you have.

You guys didn't do shit against us in CAR. You scored on one drive which gave you a brief lead with 6 mins left. We took that shit back.

and :lol @ Cam not having any good games against elite offenses. How about you do your homework. He didn't throw 2 interceptions against Seattle, I'll tell ya that.

[Pelicans78]

:lmao you are delusional as hell.

Notice how whenever the Saints lose all Saints fans say are "we dominated the game, more yards :cry". That's because your system is made for that. You guys suck at executing, and Brees is just not clutch anymore. In fact, he is anti-clutch.

You guys have a better QB right now, in passing, but overall Cam has been way more clutch (which is non-disputable) and has way more of an upside. He also led the team to a better record (go figure). We also have better running backs (LOL at you even suggesting this), and our #1 receiver it ass-loads better than Colston. We have two lineman in the pro-bowl. Our entire defense is better than you except our DB's.. I'd even say Captain is better than any safety you have.

You guys didn't do shit against us in CAR. You scored on one drive which gave you a brief lead with 6 mins left. We took that shit back.

and :lol @ Cam not having any good games against elite offenses. How about you do your homework. He didn't throw 2 interceptions against Seattle, I'll tell ya that.

Another retarded post by you.

Panthers only advantage is their LBs. That's it.

Smith is over the hill and Graham is our number one option, not Colston and Graham is consistently more dominate. Plus the rest of the Saints WRs are much better.

I said Cam didn't have any good games against elite defenses not offenses. Learn how to read bitch.

Saints have 3 elite pass rushers in Cameron Jordan who made the Pro Bowl, Akiem Hicks and Junior Gallette. Both Jordan and Gallette had 12 sucks. Plus, they have two beast run stuffers in John Jenkins and Broderick Bunkley. The Saints d-line is the reason why the Saints had a top 5 defense.

Saints had two Pro Bowlers as well on the o-line :blah

Saints have more depth and versatility with Thomas, Sproles, Ingram and Robinson.

Saints have a much better secondary and its the weakness of their defense :lol

[Pelicans78]

BTW, Cam had Seattle at home. Big difference than going to Seattle. In fact, he had New England at home as well while Saints had to travel up there. Basically that slight advantage in scheduling was the difference in the Panthers having a bad record.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Another retarded post by you.

Panthers only advantage is their LBs. That's it.

Smith is over the hill and Graham is our number one option, not Colston and Graham is consistently more dominate. Plus the rest of the Saints WRs are much better.

I said Cam didn't have any good games against elite defenses not offenses. Learn how to read bitch.

Saints have 3 elite pass rushers in Cameron Jordan who made the Pro Bowl, Akiem Hicks and Junior Gallette. Both Jordan and Gallette had 12 sucks. Plus, they have two beast run stuffers in John Jenkins and Broderick Bunkley. The Saints d-line is the reason why the Saints had a top 5 defense.

Saints had two Pro Bowlers as well on the o-line :blah

Saints have more depth and versatility with Thomas, Sproles, Ingram and Robinson.

Saints have a much better secondary and its the weakness of their defense :lol

:lmao we had 6 starters that were rookies on defense and had the #2 ranked defense.

Smith may be over the hill, but he is still way more clutch than Graham AND is boatloads better than Colston. Notice I'm not saying he's better than Graham.. but he's more clutch which seemed to matter right?

It was a typo about the offense. Obviously.

Panthers have two rookies at DT (who were 3rd and 5th respectively in effectiveness rating) and had two Panthers with at least 10 sacks, Johnson of which missed 5 games :lol.

And Tolbert made the pro-bowl and DeAngelo and Stewart are double trouble... the only duo to run for 1100 yards each nuff said.

[MeloHype]

Keenan Lewis is the top corner. Greer was the top corner for years until this past season when Lewis was signed. The secondary does need another corner because I think Greer is past his prime.
Plus he's coming off a acl injury hopefully he doesn't RG3 it, if we have the money I wouldn't mind getting Porter or DRC assuming DRC leaves Denver

[Pelicans78]

:lmao we had 6 starters that were rookies on defense and had the #2 ranked defense.

Smith may be over the hill, but he is still way more clutch than Graham AND is boatloads better than Colston. Notice I'm not saying he's better than Graham.. but he's more clutch which seemed to matter right?

It was a typo about the offense. Obviously.

Panthers have two rookies at DT (who were 3rd and 5th respectively in effectiveness rating) and had two Panthers with at least 10 sacks, Johnson of which missed 5 games :lol.

And Tolbert made the pro-bowl and DeAngelo and Stewart are double trouble... nuff said.

What's Smith done lately that's clutch? Nothing.

What did Cam do against elite defenses? How many points did he put up? 7, 13, 13, 13, and 10 with three of those games at home. Impressive. Really impressive.

Saints were a younger team overall than the Panthers :blah

Saints defense went from the worst ever to top 5 in one season. Only gonna get better.

Living in the past with DeAngelo and Stewart :lol

[MeloHype]

?
:lmao we had 6 starters that were rookies on defense and had the #2 ranked defense.

Smith may be over the hill, but he is still way more clutch than Graham AND is boatloads better than Colston. Notice I'm not saying he's better than Graham.. but he's more clutch which seemed to matter right?

It was a typo about the offense. Obviously.

Panthers have two rookies at DT (who were 3rd and 5th respectively in effectiveness rating) and had two Panthers with at least 10 sacks, Johnson of which missed 5 games :lol.

And Tolbert made the pro-bowl and DeAngelo and Stewart are double trouble... the only duo to run for 1100 yards each nuff said.
Smith: 64 catches/745 yards/ 4 touchdowns
Colston: 75 catches/943 yards/5 touchdowns

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

What's Smith done lately that's clutch? Nothing.

What did Cam do against elite defenses? How many points did he put up? 7, 13, 13, 13, and 10 with three of those games at home. Impressive. Really impressive.

Saints were a younger team overall than the Panthers :blah

Saints defense went from the worst ever to top 5 in one season. Only gonna get better.

Living in the past with DeAngelo and Stewart :lol

Are you serious? How about that fourth and ten catch on the Dolphins with 2 minutes left? That catch against San Fran with only one fuckin knee... Steve Smith is always there when we need him.

What was our record in those games, Hornets?

DeAngelo and Stewarts past alone shows they are better than Pierre... they don't get enough touches and still averaged more yards per carry (Stewart played only two games this year)

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

?
Smith: 64 catches/745 yards/ 4 touchdowns
Colston: 75 catches/943 yards/5 touchdowns

Smith also didn't play the last two games.

[Pelicans78]

Are you serious? How about that fourth and ten catch on the Dolphins with 2 minutes left? That catch against San Fran with only one fuckin knee... Steve Smith is always there when we need him.

What was our record in those games, Hornets?

DeAngelo and Stewarts past alone shows they are better than Pierre... they don't get enough touches and still averaged more yards per carry (Stewart played only two games this year)

And Pierre helped his team win a Super Bowl with a big touchdown.

Your record was 2-3 in those games.

[MeloHype]

Smith also didn't play the last two games.
Smith: 15 games played
Colston: 15 games played

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

And Pierre helped his team win a Super Bowl with a big touchdown.

Your record was 2-3 in those games.

Listen man this is just a spitting contest. I'm not naive and I know NO will be good like always next year. One would think after a year like we had, it would govern a little respect.. guess not. It's not like we were the third best team this year record-wise.

[Pelicans78]

Smith also didn't play the last two games.

He's so injury prone and a shell of himself even if he continues to pump his body with PEDs like he did after his season-ending injury in 2004. Do you see how much bigger he was in 2005 and now compared to the 2003 Super Bowl team? Huge difference. The PEDs have broken his body down.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Smith: 15 games played
Colston: 15 games played

Smith got injured early in the first against NO.. if thats what you want to call "playing" - go for it.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

He's so injury prone and a shell of himself even if he continues to pump his body with PEDs like he did after his season-ending injury in 2004. Do you see how much bigger he was in 2005 and now compared to the 2003 Super Bowl team? Huge difference. The PEDs have broken his body down.

Stupid comment. Steve Smith is not and has never been injury-proned nor has he ever taken PED's. He's still better than any WR NO will ever have in their life. He didn't need a system to win the triple crown, something a NO receiver will never achieve.

[Pelicans78]

Stupid comment. Steve Smith is not and has never been injury-proned nor has he ever taken PED's. He's still better than any WR NO will ever have in their life. He didn't need a system to win the triple crown, something a NO receiver will never achieve.

Saints don't need an elite WR to win a Super Bowl.

And compare how much bigger Smith was after his 2004 season ending surgery. Huge difference. Plus, alot more roid rage incidents.

He was a skinny punt returner when he entered the league in 2001.

[MeloHype]

Smith got injured early in the first against NO.. if thats what you want to call "playing" - go for it.
2012
Smith: 73 catches/1174 yards/4 touchdowns
Colston: 83 catches/ 1154 yards/10 touchdowns

Not seeing how Smith was "boatloads" better

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

2012
Smith: 73 catches/1174 yards/4 touchdowns
Colston: 83 catches/ 1154 yards/10 touchdowns

Not seeing how Smith was "boatloads" better

Why didn't you post the 2011 stats :lol when Colston was supposedly in his prime :lol

Ask anyone on the streets who's better between Smith and Colston and let me know how many laughs you get

[Pelicans78]

Colston's not elite, but he never roid-raging juiced his way into elite status either.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Colston's not elite, but he never roid-raging juiced his way into elite status either.

:lmao do you think he wasn't elite before his injury? And you have no proof of him juicing other than him getting bigger... the butthurt is flowing

[Pelicans78]

:lmao do you think he wasn't elite before his injury? And you have no proof of him juicing other than him getting bigger... the butthurt is flowing

He wasn't considered elite in 2003. Just very good at that time. He blew up in 2005, one year after his devastating season ending injury.

[MeloHype]

Why didn't you post the 2011 stats :lol when Colston was supposedly in his prime :lol

Ask anyone on the streets who's better between Smith and Colston and let me know how many laughs you get
I'm not debating who was better a few years ago, I'm debating who's better right now and its clearly Colston. I only posted the 2012 stats cause smith "didnt play" the last 2 games

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

He wasn't considered elite in 2003. Just very good at that time. He blew up in 2005, one year after his devastating season ending injury.

you do realize 03 was the year of the cardiac cats right? where people were saying moose and smith may be one of the 10 best 1-2 punch in the last 20 years?

[Pelicans78]

you do realize 03 was the year of the cardiac cats right? where people were saying moose and smith may be one of the 10 best 1-2 punch in the last 20 years?

But he still wasn't considered elite at that time. And he wasn't nearly as big as he was after his devastating season ending injury.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I'm not debating who was better a few years ago, I'm debating who's better right now and its clearly Colston. I only posted the 2012 stats cause smith "didnt play" the last 2 games

:lol how is he clearly better? the saints system gets him more attempts and of course that should lead to catching... we are a running team and a well-balanced offense, not to mention smith missed an entire game that you are counting and still finished a mere 150 yards behind a player that prolly gets about 8-10 targets to him a game

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

But he still wasn't considered elite at that time. And he wasn't nearly as big as he was after his devastating season ending injury.

Sorry bro... I must have been thinking he was elite from the 8 game winning drives Delhomme led that year, 7 of which were completed in TD passes to Smith.

[MeloHype]

:lol how is he clearly better? the saints system gets him more attempts and of course that should lead to catching... we are a running team and a well-balanced offense, not to mention smith missed an entire game that you are counting and still finished a mere 150 yards behind a player that prolly gets about 8-10 targets to him a game
Colston isn't the number one option like smith, yet he still gets better/same stats as Smith.

[Pelicans78]

:lol how is he clearly better? the saints system gets him more attempts and of course that should lead to catching... we are a running team and a well-balanced offense, not to mention smith missed an entire game that you are counting and still finished a mere 150 yards behind a player that prolly gets about 8-10 targets to him a game

Colston has to deal with Graham and Sproles getting a ton of looks.

Still it's not Smith's fault he has Scam as his QB.

[Pelicans78]

Sorry bro... I must have been thinking he was elite from the 8 game winning drives Delhomme led that year, 7 of which were completed in TD passes to Smith.

That didn't make him elite. He became elite in 2005 when he blew up in size and performance.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Colston has to deal with Graham and Sproles getting a ton of looks.

Still it's not Smith's fault he has Scam as his QB.

Cam's potential > where Brees is now. I bet if Rex Grossman was put in the NO system he'd have many 400 yrd games too

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Colston isn't the number one option like smith, yet he still gets better/same stats as Smith.

:lol Steve Smith wasn't the #1 option either, bub... it was Greg Olsen.. soo next excuse?

[Pelicans78]

Cam's potential > where Brees is now. I bet if Rex Grossman was put in the NO system he'd have many 400 yrd games too

Brees was an All-Pro QB before he came to New Orleans under Marty ball.

Cam will never be as good as a passer as Brees was in 2013. Sorry, it's not happening.

Grossman:lol

[MeloHype]

:lol Steve Smith wasn't the #1 option either, bub... it was Greg Olsen.. soo next excuse?
You're the first panther fan to say Smith wasn't the first option

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Brees was an All-Pro QB before he came to New Orleans under Marty ball.

Cam will never be as good as a passer as Brees was in 2013. Sorry, it's not happening.

Grossman:lol

First three years comparison (used Brees fourth year since he didn't play but one game in his rookie year) so keep in mind this is including Brees elite year in SD:

Touchdowns:
64-55 advantage: Cam
Yards: 11,229-8551 advantage: Cam
Passing Rating: 86.40-83.06 advantage: Cam
Completion %: 60%-61% advantage: Brees

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

You're the first panther fan to say Smith wasn't the first option

It's true this year... Cam said he was gonna facilitate the ball and didn't lie.. one of 2 QB's to have 4 receivers above 550 yards (other is Peyton)

[MeloHype]

It's true this year... Cam said he was gonna facilitate the ball and didn't lie.. one of 2 QB's to have 4 receivers above 550 yards (other is Peyton)
Olsen: 6.9 targets per game
Smith: 7.2 targets per game
Williams: 2.3 targets

Graham: 8.4 targets per game
Colston: 7.6 targets per game
Sproles: 6.0 targets

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Olsen: 6.9 targets per game
Smith: 7.2 targets per game
Williams: 2.3 targets

Graham: 8.4 targets per game
Colston: 7.6 targets per game
Sproles: 6.0 targets

Cam has said himself this year he looks for Olsen first, and even in past years Cam said that he looks for Olsen/Shockey because he likes throwing to the bigger player on post/slant routes.

[Pelicans78]

First three years comparison (used Brees fourth year since he didn't play but one game in his rookie year) so keep in mind this is including Brees elite year in SD:

Touchdowns:
64-55 advantage: Cam
Yards: 11,229-8551 advantage: Cam
Passing Rating: 86.40-83.06 advantage: Cam
Completion %: 60%-61% advantage: Brees

And Brees also played two seasons before the massive rule changes took place before 2004 facilitating the passing game. Big difference

Either way, Brees was still a Pro Bowl QB before coming to NOLA and Cam will never have a play-caller like Sean Payton. Cam's only upside is his size and athleticism. Not his elite passing skills. Get a grip.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

And Brees also played two seasons before the massive rule changes took place before 2004 facilitating the passing game. Big difference

Either way, Brees was still a Pro Bowl QB before coming to NOLA and Cam will never have a play-caller like Sean Payton. Cam's only upside is his size and athleticism. Not his elite passing skills. Get a grip.

Either way, you cannot deny that Cam is progressing and getting better each year. His only issue is throwing off his back foot occasionally. His potential is scary.. and I don't see how anyone can deny that.. especially an division rival

[Pelicans78]

Either way, you cannot deny that Cam is progressing and getting better each year. His only issue is throwing off his back foot occasionally. His potential is scary.. and I don't see how anyone can deny that.. especially an division rival

Because he didn't do much to impress me this season. The Panthers defense was a monster all season carrying an average offense and Cam just wasn't impressive in either games against the Saints. Take away the read option and he's just an average QB.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Because he didn't do much to impress me this season. The Panthers defense was a monster all season carrying an average offense and Cam just wasn't impressive in either games against the Saints. Take away the read option and he's just an average QB.

lol don't you get it... Cam was the offense.. he had no weapons.. he made plays passing and running with no damn help outside a 34 year old receiver. and the team won 12 games... cam led them to 6 game winning drives.. did the D control that too? jimmy clausen or derek anderson wouldnt have done that. plus his passing stats are getting better each year and more efficient.. stop being dumb

[Pelicans78]

lol don't you get it... Cam was the offense.. he had no weapons.. he made plays passing and running with no damn help outside a 34 year old receiver. and the team won 12 games... cam led them to 6 game winning drives.. did the D control that too? jimmy clausen or derek anderson wouldnt have done that. plus his passing stats are getting better each year and more efficient.. stop being dumb

Cam's athletic and makes plays, and is a solid overall QB thanks to his running and strong arm, but just an average overall passer. Not much to see here.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Not much to see here.

:lol okay well i'll hold you to that. we will see what happens this offseason. because a #1/2 receiver will be acquired.. and if we pick up maclin, rice or hicks and/or draft a receiver such as evans.. you will see cam's progression. tough to make plays at the end of the game with brandon ladrop and ted "stone hands" ginn as your #2

it's not like cam is already ranked a top 10 QB by all media sites, right? oh wait

[Pelicans78]

:lol okay well i'll hold you to that. we will see what happens this offseason. because a #1/2 receiver will be acquired.. and if we pick up maclin, rice or hicks and/or draft a receiver such as evans.. you will see cam's progression. tough to make plays at the end of the game with brandon ladrop and ted "stone hands" ginn as your #2

it's not like cam is already ranked a top 10 QB by all media sites, right? oh wait

Brees threw for over 5,000 yards in 2008 with Colston, Shockey, and Bush missing a ton of games and Lance Moore the leading receiver :lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Brees threw for over 5,000 yards in 2008 with Colston, Shockey, and Bush missing a ton of games and Lance Moore the leading receiver :lol

cam isn't as good as brees passing.... and he doesn't have a system to make him look better than he actually is :lol

[Pelicans78]

cam isn't as good as brees passing.... and he doesn't have a system to make him look better than he actually is :lol

System QB throwing 11 TDs and 0 INTs in his Super Bowl run :lol

[Clipper Nation]

he doesn't have a system to make him look better than he actually is :lol

What do you think they're running the read-option for? :lmao

[Pelicans78]

What do you think they're running the read-option for? :lmao

:lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

What do you think they're running the read-option for? :lmao

You mean where Cam had an career low in rushing attempts this season?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol

:lmao agreeing with a guy that just shit on your team in the fav player of all time list 5 mins ago :lol clown

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao agreeing with a guy that just shit on your team in the fav player of all time list 5 mins ago :lol clown

How did I shit on the Saints? In fact, I mentioned later in the thread that I liked the Saints' Dome Patrol from the early '90s (Sam Mills, Pat Swilling, Rickey Jackson, Vaughn Johnson) :lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

How did I shit on the Saints? In fact, I mentioned later in the thread that I forgot the Saints' Dome Patrol from the early '90s (Sam Mills, Pat Swilling, Rickey Jackson, Vaughn Johnson) :lol

"too bad the rest of their team was always mediocre at best..."

[Clipper Nation]

"too bad the rest of their team was always mediocre at best..."
They were.... the Saints' defense would routinely rank #1 in least points surrendered during the Dome Patrol era, but their offense was a net negative in 1990 and barely above average in 1992 according to SRS.... they had journeymen like Steve Walsh, John Fourcade and Bobby Hebert at quarterback :lol

[Raven]

cam isn't as good as brees passing.... and he doesn't have a system to make him look better than he actually is :lol

i don't understand you, if you say cum is worse than brees at passing, then why do you think he'll suddenly be better than brees? not counting age, of course.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

i don't understand you, if you say cum is worse than brees at passing, then why do you think he'll suddenly be better than brees? not counting age, of course.

I didn't say he will be better than Brees. I said he has the potential to be better than Brees is now. He already has more throwing power than him.. if he gets his accuracy on a more consistent level (stop that horrible tendency of throwing off his back foot) he will be crazy good. They still need another receiving threat.

[Raven]

I didn't say he will be better than Brees. I said he has the potential to be better than Brees is now. He already has more throwing power than him.. if he gets his accuracy on a more consistent level (stop that horrible tendency of throwing off his back foot) he will be crazy good. They still need another receiving threat.

i don't see how you can make this point given how his long throw has been basically nonexistent in the whole season. The trend is to hide Cam's incapability to throw not to expose it. That's what made the panthers better this year, i think you can agree with that. So if that's the trend, what makes you think that it will change?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

i don't see how you can make this point given how his long throw has been basically nonexistent in the whole season. The trend is to hide Cam's incapability to throw not to expose it. That's what made the panthers better this year, i think you can agree with that. So if that's the trend, what makes you think that it will change?

He threw for 4k yards his first two seasons.. so I don't know what makes you think he cannot throw. His first two years he threw more touchdowns from verticals routes than any other QB. What made the Panthers better was to focus on the run game.. but also to be more conservative for the ball. Cam would throw 30-35 times a game his first two years. We don't need that. We have 50 mill on our running core not including Tolbert or Cam.

[Raven]

He threw for 4k yards his first two seasons.. so I don't know what makes you think he cannot throw. His first two years he threw more touchdowns from verticals routes than any other QB. What made the Panthers better was to focus on the run game.. but also to be more conservative for the ball. Cam would throw 30-35 times a game his first two years. We don't need that. We have 50 mill on our running core not including Tolbert or Cam.

first off, throwing for x yards says little about one's ability to throw. Being conservative is exactly what your team is trying to do and that means to give cam as little responsibilities as possible. But a player with little responsibilities is not a star or whatever. Surely is not on par with Brees anyway.

[Pelicans78]

:lmao agreeing with a guy that just shit on your team in the fav player of all time list 5 mins ago :lol clown

He wasn't lying. The Saints in the late 80s and 90s were similar to your current Panthers. Elite front 7, average secondary, average to below average passing, solid running game, and being one and done in the playoffs especially losing at home.

[spurraider21]

first off, throwing for x yards says little about one's ability to throw

oh, thats weird because...


He has 209y/g for the season, cmon man that's 35 less than freaking Tannehill.. I'm no rw hater but you've been saying that wilson was the key of their success

[Raven]

oh, thats weird because...

we were talking about long throws and he was using the high amount of yardage as a proof of his ability with long throws. Once again you proved that you're obsessed and that you can't read. Now go hide again.

[spurraider21]

we were talking about long throws and he was using the high amount of yardage as a proof of his ability with long throws.

just be consistent with your arguments. that's a good starting point. don't use wilson's passing yard numbers as way to discredit his passing then disregard cam's passing numbers


Now go hide again.

o RLY? here are the responses after our last argument :lmao


:lmao

Does anybody remember the Browns 20ish game losing streak to the Steelers that just recently got broken?

That's what raven is to spurraider21. raven is pretty awful all around, but always finds a way to get especially anally reamed when talking to spurraider


Raven (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=35860) enjoys a good beating :rollin


:lol What the fuck are you talking about?


Tbh if you took away the name
Of who posted it, it looks like an avante post. Bringing up 70s football and the "get it?" Is very similar to avante.


and the 'blabla' :lol

Raven accidently falling into DD's beartrap as an unintended target tbh

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[DeadlyDynasty]

No.

My reasoning: You (OP) see it happening

[Raven]

just be consistent with your arguments. that's a good starting point. don't use wilson's passing yard numbers as way to discredit his passing then disregard cam's passing numbers



o RLY? here are the responses after our last argument :lmao











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again, you can't read... we were talking about long throws, why do you feel the need to intervene every time, i already put enough shit on your face when i made it obvious you didn't know what game manager means despite talking about it for months.

[spurraider21]

His 7.1 ypa confirms that but I think a lot I it coincides with Steve smiths rapid decline this year. Cam has shown a pretty healthy deep ball throughout his short career. They do need to make improvements in their receiving core though. It's easily the weakness of the team

[jimbo]

first off, throwing for x yards says little about one's ability to throw. Being conservative is exactly what your team is trying to do and that means to give cam as little responsibilities as possible. But a player with little responsibilities is not a star or whatever. Surely is not on par with Brees anyway.

You can just look at the throw distance stats on ESPN... Cam's numbers on his long balls were good his first two years. Their offense was neutered this year compared to 2011 or 2012. They won with their defense, not through putting a leash on Cam.

I mean who would willingly want to run the corpse of DeAngelo Williams more? But when the alternative is Cam throwing to a hurt Greg Olson and 34 year old Steve Smith...you don't have a lot of options.

[Clipper Nation]

R.I.P. Seahawks dynasty, killed before it even began.... cause of death: Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33483)
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7n9xtvJ9K1qi4uu3.gif

[Avante]

Avante....I think this Russell Wilson kid is going to be great.....then he gets drafted by the 7-9 Seahawks.

Rookie.....most td's ever by a rookie. Wins a playoff game.
second season...only second year QB to ever post two 100 passer ratings. SUPERBOWL WIN!!!!!!!!
third season....the highest passer rating ever by a third year QB, ANOTHER...Superbowl. Only third year QB to play in two of them.

I love facts!~