SEC Set To Have The Best Recuting Haul Ever

[Biernutz]

The SEC is looking to take in some of the best high school football players.
SEC is looking to have 7 out of the top 10 recruiting haul . The rich get
richer as The Tide is projected to have the #1 haul with Texas A&M 3rd.....


http://msn.foxsports.com/college-football/story/on-signing-day-eve-sec-poised-for-greatest-recruiting-haul-ever-020414

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http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeRankings.html?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool (http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeRankings.html?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool )

[Vito Corleone]

Oklahoma and Texas should do a lot better next year both should have a solid top 10 season next year and that will go a long way to each school winning some recruiting battles.

[Blake]

What I take from that is that unless you're at the top, it sucks to be in the SEC

[DesignatedT]

What I take from that is that unless you're at the top, it sucks to be in the SEC

:lmao

[Blake]

:lmao :lmao chick fil a bowl

[rjv]

kenny young to UCLA-aggies really wanted him. big get for the bruins.

[rjv]

and mattrell mcgraw to oregon. pac 12 pulling some big names today.

[rjv]

dupre to LSU; noles had a shot at him as well.

[rjv]

evans screwed auburn over

[elbamba]

What I am taking from this draft class is that in the eyes of the players the Pac-12 is better than the Big 12. You would think after a non-SEC won the championship it would hinder the conference but then Alabama, LSU and A&M sign all of this classes five star recruits. That conference is the 2010 (I think) Heat.

[Vito Corleone]

I'm going to console myself to the fact that Bosie state and BYU never have good recruiting classes but both seem to rise up and kick the teeth in of big time programs.

both would kill to have a recruiting class like Texas has. After seeing how many SEC schools are in the top 10, I'm pretty sure that the aggsy are never going to win something of significance over the next 3 or 4 years which bodes well for Texas. I'm also starting to think it's only a matter of time before Texas makes a move out of the Big 12. A few more recruiting classes like this one and Texas will have no choice.

BTW congrats to the ags for a hell of a class

[jimbo]

What I am taking from this draft class is that in the eyes of the players the Pac-12 is better than the Big 12. You would think after a non-SEC won the championship it would hinder the conference but then Alabama, LSU and A&M sign all of this classes five star recruits. That conference is the 2010 (I think) Heat.

Yep. Why would you want to live in Methlahoma or Kansas when you can live in California? If you're gonna live in some backwater state, you might as well play in the best conference in the country.

[DesignatedT]

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[The Gemini Method]

How's USC doing? I haven't been paying attention!

[Clipper Nation]

I'm going to console myself to the fact that Bosie state and BYU never have good recruiting classes but both seem to rise up and kick the teeth in of big time programs.
Boise did flip 4-stars from Aggy and UW this year and might be getting a 4-star linebacker who USC was after, tbh.... at the end of the day, though, it's all about player development, the star system is just basically good advertising for your program....

[rjv]

How's USC doing? I haven't been paying attention!

having a good day and have moved up to 18th. if they pick up juju smith (who is down to ucla and usc) they could move into the top 15

[yavozerb]

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SEC is definatly dominating recruiting, but the star rating is pretty bad for quite a few of these kids. Manzeil = 3star, RG3 = 4 star, Luck = 4 star, mariota = 3 stars, megatron= 4 stars, colt mccoy = 3 stars, sam bradford = 3 stars ,jake mathews = 4 stars, mike evans = 3 stars, etc..I am sure there are some great 5 star college players of the past, but I am guessing the rate is pretty low.

[The Gemini Method]

having a good day and have moved up to 18th. if they pick up juju smith (who is down to ucla and usc) they could move into the top 15

Thanks for the update.

[Sisk]

SEC is definatly dominating recruiting, but the star rating is pretty bad for quite a few of these kids. Manzeil = 3star, RG3 = 4 star, Luck = 4 star, mariota = 3 stars, megatron= 4 stars, colt mccoy = 3 stars, sam bradford = 3 stars ,jake mathews = 4 stars, mike evans = 3 stars, etc..I am sure there are some great 5 star college players of the past, but I am guessing the rate is pretty low.


IIRC the odds of a 5 star panning out to a 3 star is about 3 times as high.

[Sisk]

Also, just because they were lower rated as high school seniors doesn't mean they didn't improve or grow dramatically during college.

[yavozerb]

IIRC the odds of a 5 star panning out to a 3 star is about 3 times as high.

3X huh? Did you just make that up or do you actually have some factual info? Not sure what you call panning out but I suggest you look at ATM roster from last season and tell me what 5 stars athletes panned out over the 3 or 4 star players on the same roster..

[yavozerb]

I guess with so few 5 star players on any one roster its pretty difficult to say the overhyped rate on these types of players. Just find it funny how the media crowns a champion on something so dumb.

[Vito Corleone]

There was a analysis done a few years ago that measured all the high school 5-star athletes and basically 35% of them actually live up to their recruiting status and get drafted into the NFL.

Rivals called it a success, I think it sucks, now if it was 65% I might agree with them.

My opinion a 5-star is a guy that will be in the NFL.

The fact that the vast majority of guys on the Denver Broncos and Seattle Seahawks were 2 & 3 star guys on the Rivals site tells me development and coaching are much more important that star ratings.

[Sisk]

3X huh? Did you just make that up or do you actually have some factual info? Not sure what you call panning out but I suggest you look at ATM roster from last season and tell me what 5 stars athletes panned out over the 3 or 4 star players on the same roster..

Google what IIRC means. Well, let's see. Trey Williams was the only 5 star on our roster last year as far as I can recall. RSJ was right there. RSJ got hurt and trey, when he got touches, was incredible. 5 stars are statistically more likely to be better by a good margin since they are so selective about handing them out. It's pretty simple, actually. If you want to play the pick and choose game, what about Julio jones? Jameis Winston? We can do this all day.

[Sisk]

There was a analysis done a few years ago that measured all the high school 5-star athletes and basically 35% of them actually live up to their recruiting status and get drafted into the NFL.

Rivals called it a success, I think it sucks, now if it was 65% I might agree with them.


Yeah, this is what I'm referencing. Remember they are ranking high school seniors that will grow physically. Also, coaching does make a big difference. A 2 star senior could put on 50 pounds between his junior year of college and graduating high school and turn into a beast.

[yavozerb]

Google what IIRC means. Well, let's see. Trey Williams was the only 5 star on our roster last year as far as I can recall. RSJ was right there. RSJ got hurt and trey, when he got touches, was incredible. 5 stars are statistically more likely to be better by a good margin since they are so selective about handing them out. It's pretty simple, actually. If you want to play the pick and choose game, what about Julio jones? Jameis Winston? We can do this all day.
So RSJ was better than Evans? So Trey was better than Tra Carson (stats are almost identical). Your right, I could this all day, esp. with ATM. Not sure why you are taking this so personal, the fact is that a low % of 5 star football players live up to the hype. Not saying if I was a coach of a major program I would refuse these kids, just saying alot of these kids are no better than 3 star players who have not gotten the hype.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

NC State picked up the most recruits this year (31) and is in the top 30 in recruiting. Hell yeah!

[the chronic]

IIRC the odds of a 5 star panning out to a 3 star is about 3 times as high.


There has been statistical analysis done to validate this point over and over, yet everybody seems to keep bringing up the 3* players like RGIII, Colt or Manziel to say stars are pointless.

For any given year there are only ~20 guys that are 5* players and hundreds and hundreds of 3* guys. So to point out more 3* players are successful doesn't invalidate the point that a 5* player is more likely to be successful.

From going to countless camps and recruiting events, I can say the difference between a top 5 national recruit and #50 recruit is significant. But the difference between #50 and 250 is subjective.

[the chronic]

So RSJ was better than Evans? So Trey was better than Tra Carson (stats are almost identical). Your right, I could this all day, esp. with ATM. Not sure why you are taking this so personal, the fact is that a low % of 5 star football players live up to the hype. Not saying if I was a coach of a major program I would refuse these kids, just saying alot of these kids are no better than 3 star players who have not gotten the hype.



None of this changes the fact a top national prospect is much more probable to be a difference maker for a program. Hypothetically, if a 5* is 33% chance to be all-american and a 3* is 5% to be all-american, what does it prove to bring up the 67% of 5* players that were not college stars or the 5% of 3* players that were?

[Vito Corleone]

If you look at what rivals defines as a 5 star, its not really about the end product, it's about when they can contribute. A 5 star guy is a kid that can come in and immediately play. A three star guy is someone that should be able to contribute by his junior year.

This is actually a big reason I'm less concerned about this class, Texas doesn't need immediate help, it needs help two or three years down the road. Right now the only places Texas is thin is QB and DE, maybe RB.

[Blake]

If you look at what rivals defines as a 5 star, its not really about the end product, it's about when they can contribute. A 5 star guy is a kid that can come in and immediately play.


6.1*Franchise Player; considered one of the elite prospects in the country, generally among the nation's top 25 players overall; deemed to have excellent pro potential; high-major prospect


http://www.rivals.com/aboutrankings.asp?Sport=1

Lol ass talk

[FkLA]

Yeah, as soon as I read that I was like wtf is he talking about tbh. :lol

[Vito Corleone]

They changed it, when I was a member they held that being a 5-star meant when a guy would contribute.

The definition you show now, works very much against their rating system as on average only 35% of the 5-star prospects pan out to fit this definition.

[Sisk]

There has been statistical analysis done to validate this point over and over, yet everybody seems to keep bringing up the 3* players like RGIII, Colt or Manziel to say stars are pointless.

For any given year there are only ~20 guys that are 5* players and hundreds and hundreds of 3* guys. So to point out more 3* players are successful doesn't invalidate the point that a 5* player is more likely to be successful.

From going to countless camps and recruiting events, I can say the difference between a top 5 national recruit and #50 recruit is significant. But the difference between #50 and 250 is subjective.

Agree 100%. The basic math is what I was referencing when I said "It's pretty simple, actually." but didn't feel like typing that out.

[The Gemini Method]

USC is stizzacked! Adorer and JuJu!

[Blake]

They changed it

Sure they did

[Whisky Dog]

UT is very very thin at CB too

[Avante]

I'm a USC fan but there is no conference that compares to the SEC. Watch as at least two SEC schools make the final four in the title tourney. It's their depth of big fast athletes that seperates them from everyone else. And they just keep coming.

[Vito Corleone]

Sure they did

I see my little bitch is still trying to bite my ankles.

[Biernutz]

With Johnny football leaving you would think A&m would have a bit of a drop of in recruiting but just the opposite has happened.
I think it is all the TV time the SEC gets. The SEC is so hot right now and A&M is just perfect placed for Texas and surrounding states
high school players to come to. A&M did the right thing to go SEC.

[Vito Corleone]

With Johnny football leaving you would think A&m would have a bit of a drop of in recruiting but just the opposite has happened.
I think it is all the TV time the SEC gets. The SEC is so hot right now and A&M is just perfect placed for Texas and surrounding states
high school players to come to. A&M did the right thing to go SEC.

Same thing happened to Texas when Mack Brown arrived. Ricky wins the Heisman and it created a real buzz about the program. It lasted about 4 seasons for Texas but only because it took Aggsy that long to fire RC.

But during that time lots of kids signed on because of the promise of early playing time. It was a perfect storm because Mack made it very exclusive to get a offer from Texas. I remember Roy Williams talking about how the guys with a Texas offer were looked at as elite.

Ags are in the middle of a little run like this, but to keep it up for more than a couple of seasons they have to win, that's the big difference Texas did win and did a fantastic job of winning. Mack won 9 or more games every year from 1998 to 2010.

I still see the Ags only winning 6 games next year, I'm hoping it will slow them down and allow Texas to catchup.