Danny Green..

[SpurPadre]

No such thing. Only first and second team all defense.

Yeah, I was just thinking more like at least being in the running for second team that people would put him in a hypothetical third team.

[SpurPadre]

Or him shutting down Durant a couple games ago. However, all the analysts are giving the credit to Leonard and the scheme. Only mention of Green is in statement like, "Kawhi and Tony and Patty defended him. Green was there too." Dude's been the best Steph defender for like three or four years. Can't believe he's still such an afterthought, but I hope the Warriors do.

It seems like the Dubs are based on the local interviews I'm seeing now. Curry brushed aside the notion that a single Spur gave him fits.

[Mugen]

Yeah, I was just thinking more like at least being in the running for second team that people would put him in a hypothetical third team.

:lol No you weren't tbh

[daslicer]

It seems like the Dubs are based on the local interviews I'm seeing now. Curry brushed aside the notion that a single Spur gave him fits.

Of course he's not going to admit it that he was flustered tonight but I saw enough in his body language tonight to see the Spurs bothered him. He didn't have his typical arrogance and dancing going on in this game. That's how I know he was frustrated.

[SpurPadre]

:lol No you weren't tbh

I was, though, lol.

[Mugen]

I was, though, lol.

Just messin' with ya nigga. :toast

[Chinook]

It seems like the Dubs are based on the local interviews I'm seeing now. Curry brushed aside the notion that a single Spur gave him fits.

I think he knows too. Even in that first game, he wanted no part of Green. I think Pop saw that and pulled Danny. It's like Blake and Splitter.

[SpurPadre]

I think he knows too. Even in that first game, he wanted no part of Green. I think Pop saw that and pulled Danny. It's like Blake and Splitter.

Straight up. Danny earns every bit of his contract and more in this matchup.

[Hoops Czar]

This thread is dropping like a stone, and this is the last time I'll bump it in relation to this game. This kind of stuff is how people can forget how good Green is and pretend that Bowen had another gear. He didn't.

Any ideas where I can find the Boris Diaw is expendable because of the emergence of Kyle Anderson thread?

[Chinook]

Any ideas where I can find the Boris Diaw is expendable because of the emergence of Kyle Anderson thread?

I imagine you could search for it pretty easily.

[SAGirl]

Any ideas where I can find the Boris Diaw is expendable because of the emergence of Kyle Anderson thread?
Frankly if he didn't show up for this you really had to question his usefulness at all, bc he's been missing for most of the year, and its not like he showed up last time or against the Cavs. He's had too many no impact games where he appeared straight up lazy or done, it was hard to say. And it wasn't a Danny situation where he was missing shots or what not. It was worse bc he was coasting on D.

It's possible his benching in several games was more Pop developing Anderson and needing to get time for him from somewhere, but that could only be known in retrospect. Probably a CIA Pop thing bc you had to assume Pop was being risky playing youngster Anderson over his vet with the game on the line.... Actually if that was the case I would have to assume that Pop is then indeed very invested in Anderson's development or it was a kick in the nuts for Boris. Either way it appeared CIA Pop :pop:

[apalisoc_9]

He will make 2nd team this year...

[Hoops Czar]

Frankly if he didn't show up for this you really had to question his usefulness at all, bc he's been missing for most of the year, and its not like he showed up last time or against the Cavs. He's had too many no impact games where he appeared straight up lazy or done, it was hard to say. And it wasn't a Danny situation where he was missing shots or what not. It was worse bc he was coasting on D.

It's possible his benching in several games was more Pop developing Anderson and needing to get time for him from somewhere, but that could only be known in retrospect. Probably a CIA Pop thing bc you had to assume Pop was being risky playing youngster Anderson over his vet with the game on the line.... Actually if that was the case I would have to assume that Pop is then indeed very invested in Anderson's development or it was a kick in the nuts for Boris. Either way it appeared CIA Pop :pop:

Well yeah, that's Diaw's shtick. He only shows up for meaningful regular season and postseason games. The Cleveland game was an OCC game so I don't consider it to be a big game. He was garbage for stretches of last year's regular season but showed up in spades against the Clippers. I mean, even if Pop is/was trying to develop Kyle, did anyone really think he was going to get key minutes over Boris in the postseason? :lol That's ludicrous.

[HarlemHeat37]

He will make 2nd team this year...

I agree, especially after tonight's game, he's even in the headline of USA Today's article on the game:lol

The marquee games are always the showcase for NBA awards/accolades..

[apalisoc_9]

I agree, especially after tonight's game, he's even in the headline of USA Today's article on the game:lol

The marquee games are always the showcase for NBA awards/accolades..

Not to mention Jimmy butler who IMO is a top 9-11 player in the league but overrated defensively has missed significant time...

I can see Paul-Allen-Green-Bradley

Bradley has had like multiple articles about him this year about his D not to mention NBA.com making noise out of him playing good D. Hes been inconsistent though. Maybe lowry..probably not.

Good for danny...i know he was hurt last year when he didnt make the team hence the stupid complain on twitter and delete said twitter post he made last year.

Butler missing lots of games seald the deal for him.

I think he should be a first teamer this season though

[timtonymanu]

Despite the cancerous players the Spurs have, good to know Green is still around. Hopefully his shot comes around, but the guy is still so damn valuable.

[spursistan]

Green's intangibles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Softridge's intangibles

[SAGirl]

Green's intangibles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Softdidge's intangibles
Definitely.
Dude is a champion.
Sour ending to this game but I was for sure glad to see Danny. :tu

[timtonymanu]

8 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 steals, 1 block.

I remember a time people wanted to trade him. Most have come to their senses now, but he's showing to be the only starter other than Kawhi that isn't one dimensional in the game.

[apalisoc_9]

He was huge in the second half...it was his first game back, so i understand Pop seating him for Leonard in the 4th ( really should subbed out Anderson) but the second half was fantastic defense. If they can play that kind of defense, they should be fine.

[MaNu4Tres]

2nd best player on the team.

Yeah I said it

[YGWHI]

Green's intangibles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Softdidge's intangibles

:tu

[HarlemHeat37]

He looked great on D during the 2nd half(I missed the 1st half), but the Spurs are completely fucked if he can't shoot 3s anymore, tbh..Green that can't shoot 3s is just a better version of Iman Shumpert, which isn't good enough for a team that needs him to be a top 3 player..

[Robz4000]

He looked great on D during the 2nd half(I missed the 1st half), but the Spurs are completely fucked if he can't shoot 3s anymore, tbh..Green that can't shoot 3s is just a better version of Iman Shumpert, which isn't good enough for a team that needs him to be a top 3 player..

His shot looked fine, just short. Didn't have his legs completely, but once he starts getting into game shape he'll be fine.

[spursistan]

Bump

I don't want to jinx him, but that's two straight peak LDN games right there..hopefully he's fully back to 2014-15 season form..his shot is much cleaner than last year, and he's making far better decisions with the ball off the dribble-- the best I have seen him in that department...

[SAGirl]

Trending up ^

[Vokun]

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M8ec86e991d4c9da5eee0e4b9ff3f4adco0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300

[timtonymanu]

and he's getting paid less than some other less talented wings :lol. Such a bargain to have him

[HarlemHeat37]

Bump

I don't want to jinx him, but that's two straight peak LDN games right there..hopefully he's fully back to 2014-15 season form..his shot is much cleaner than last year, and he's making far better decisions with the ball off the dribble-- the best I have seen him in that department...

He's gonna revert back to last year's Green following this bump, tbh:lol

[Chinook]

I hear Parker went up to Stevens after the game to ask why they kept leaving Green open.

[Ice009]

I think his contract got to him a little bit last season. I feel at times it looked like he tried to justify it by trying to do more and expand his game to show that he was worth it. He looks like he's playing more freely this season. Also, he may have seen all the other contracts handed out and now doesn't view his contract as being anymore than it is.

Great to have him back after missing the start of the season, and also just wanted to add, amazing that he's able to block shots as much as he does. I absolutely love it when he blocks a shot because it's usually a timely block.

[Splits]

I hear Parker went up to Stevens after the game to ask why they kept leaving Green open.

Porker is fat

[Chinook]

Just wanted to say that the dude's rim protection is amazing. I don't just mean his shot-blocking, which is second to none for a guard. But the way he rotates over and contests without fouling is a massively underrated part of his game. Tonight, he pretty much took Wall out of the game during the first half by getting into the paint and forcing Wall to pass out. Best I've seen him protect the rim since the 2014 Finals. Overall, LDN had a great game on that end. Crazy that he's not getting anywhere near an All-Defense team in his career.

[DPG21920]

He was close last year, wasn't he? But your point remains, damn shame he's not valued by the NBA circle as highly as he should be. Good for the Spurs though - they knew what they had and locked him up.

[timtonymanu]

and he's getting paid less than some other less talented wings :lol. Such a bargain to have him

[Chinook]

He was close last year, wasn't he? But your point remains, damn shame he's not valued by the NBA circle as highly as he should be. Good for the Spurs though - they knew what they had and locked him up.

Green locked himself up. Dude could have gotten Carroll money but wanted to stay home. He even helped recruit LMA even though it was very possible that the team wouldn't be able to bring him back after they gave Aldridge the max. Dude's a true Spur, and it's a damned shame that folks on RealGM wanted the Spurs to dump him for a late-first last year.

[spursistan]

Green locked himself up. Dude could have gotten Carroll money but wanted to stay home. He even helped recruit LMA even though it was very possible that the team wouldn't be able to bring him back after they gave Aldridge the max. Dude's a true Spur, and it's a damned shame that folks on RealGM wanted the Spurs to dump him for a late-first last year.

True that..Stan Van gundy actually said it in Zach Lowe podcast that he was told by Green agent that he wanted to stAy in SA..And every one here knows that SVG has been overpaying about every Spur Free agent he can get. IMO, he would have gotten Wes Mathews money (16-17 millions) from DET if he chased it..

[timtonymanu]

:lol start Belinelli over Danny
:lol start Simmons over Danny

The bad takes of the past

[elemento]

And his shot is also back. You can see the satisfaction on his face during the game. Awesome to watch.

[timtonymanu]

Long dick nigga

[Shabazz]

Everyone dance like Danny!!!

[-21-]

DATS MA BOI

[Chinook]

And so the seesaw switches back.

[spursistan]

Fuckin heart of champion..

[Shabazz]

Fuckin heart of champion..

You damn right

[spurraider21]

29 points, 7 threes, 2 steals, 3 blocks today

shooting over 45% from 3 this season, best of his career

#1 in DRPM among shooting guards. in fact #1 in overall RPM among shooting guards

long live LDN

[slick'81]

29 points, 7 threes, 2 steals, 3 blocks today

shooting over 45% from 3 this season, best of his career

#1 in DRPM among shooting guards. in fact #1 in overall RPM among shooting guards

long live LDN


Its kool we still have patty mills for 5 mil more

[Hoops Czar]

Nothing to see here.... Pop is no longer living rent free in Danny's head.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Nothing to see here.... Pop is no longer living rent free in Danny's head.


Truth bomb there. Danny got blamed for a lot of things that weren't Danny's fault, and Pop is a one trick pony. Danny sure as shit doesn't seem to be homesick for SA.

[Hoops Czar]

Its kool we still have patty mills for 5 mil more
Pop calling a time out or pulling Danny 30 seconds into the game for making a defensive mistake while Paddy and Bryn are out there making defensive mistakes almost every possession and their rewarded with garbage contracts and 23+ minutes/game. Talk about your double standards.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Pop calling a time out or pulling Danny 30 seconds into the game for making a defensive mistake while Paddy and Bryn are out there making defensive mistakes almost every possession and their rewarded with garbage contracts and 23+ minutes/game. Talk about your double standards.

That right there.

[tbdog]

Danny for 3 seasons in a row shot under 40% from 3 in the one area. Then approves it by 7% in Toronto.

[weeks]

Definitely think Pop was unfair to Danny, I don't think he liked Danny being popular with the party crowd and other irrelevant shit... Didn't appreciate him enough imo he was the whipping boy for the coach and most of this forum.
We miss you ldn ;_;

[RC_Drunkford]

Pop calling a time out or pulling Danny 30 seconds into the game for making a defensive mistake while Paddy and Bryn are out there making defensive mistakes almost every possession and their rewarded with garbage contracts and 23+ minutes/game. Talk about your double standards.

B-b-b-b-but Pop treats every player the same. One of the dumbest narratives out there. Pop always had a double standard

[r0drig0lac]

but the spurs system... https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smicry.gif

[CGD]

Nothing like a contract year!

[exstatic]

Danny for 3 seasons in a row shot under 40% from 3 in the one area. Then approves it by 7% in Toronto.


Nothing like a contract year!

[GusT15]

I would take Green's 36% from 3 in his down years over Bryn's 41% from 3 in his career year.Because of Defensive impact alone.Bryn's better shooting % is amounting to what,2 ppg more than DG? How many points is this Spurs team giving away in defense cause of the limitations every SG on this roster has diplayed all season long?

And,yes,Green is obviously a much more expensive role player than Forbes (and Beli,and Pondexter).But perimeter defense is so valuable that you make the salary cap work with him.Not trade him away in his contract year.

And by the way,it was visible to everybody watching the games last year,and it was obvious to everyone posting in Spurstalk that Green was playing injured in 2018.Why are we not mentioning that? We played him to the ground cause a known bitch had a boo boo in his thigh and was in NY holding auditions for most loyal Doctor.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2787651-danny-green-says-he-played-with-groin-injury-tear-undetected-by-spurs

[lefty]

:lol Spurns

[TheGreatYacht]

Nick Nurse > crater face, and I don't think it's close.

I was told Green would've never been an NBA player if he wasn't on the Spurs. The system made him and many others look good. Nurse's system must be something....

[SpursDynasty85]

Definitely think Pop was unfair to Danny, I don't think he liked Danny being popular with the party crowd and other irrelevant shit... Didn't appreciate him enough imo he was the whipping boy for the coach and most of this forum.
We miss you ldn ;_;

Pop's pushing is what made Danny Green the player he is now. He more than the others needed because Popovich knew he was going up against much stronger competition in the SL every single night. Think about how amazing it is to have Danny Green (G LEAGUER) help start for a team that was contending every year and ultimately winning 1. Being a poster just makes certain things blow out of proportion. Popovich loved Green and put a ton of trust in him to win games besides his inferiority at having perimeter NBA skills.

[RD2191]

Nick Nurse > crater face, and I don't think it's close.

I was told Green would've never been an NBA player if he wasn't on the Spurs. The system made him and many others look good. Nurse's system must be something....

Tbh :lol

[K...]

Spurs are just cheap, get over it. When they trade dejounte for a bag of chips later, don't be crying like this again. When the Spurs were cheap with Duncan it looked ok, because talent does that. Without that talent, cheap is cheap. Welcome to the NBA.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Nick Nurse > crater face, and I don't think it's close.

I was told Green would've never been an NBA player if he wasn't on the Spurs. The system made him and many others look good. Nurse's system must be something....

Yes, I think Danny Green's 7% rise in 3-point shooting proves Nick Nurse is a superior coach to Pop. Heck, for even more evidence you can just look at the Raptors year-over-year win improvement after adding Kawhi, Danny and Mark Gasol to the roster, all while dealing with the loss of DeRozan and Poetl. Nurse is obviously a coaching phenom.

Good call! :tu

[ZeusWillJudge]

Yes, I think Danny Green's 7% rise in 3-point shooting proves Nick Nurse is a superior coach to Pop. Heck, for even more evidence you can just look at the Raptors year-over-year win improvement after adding Kawhi, Danny and Mark Gasol to the roster, all while dealing with the loss of DeRozan and Poetl. Nurse is obviously a coaching phenom.

Good call! :tu


LOL. I do think it's possible that Danny had taken enough shit from Pop to last a lifetime. Like several of us said above, Pop singled Danny out lots of times when I don't think he should have. I know, they're athletes. But most people get a little tired of that kind of shit.

[Collins21]

Yes, I think Danny Green's 7% rise in 3-point shooting proves Nick Nurse is a superior coach to Pop. Heck, for even more evidence you can just look at the Raptors year-over-year win improvement after adding Kawhi, Danny and Mark Gasol to the roster, all while dealing with the loss of DeRozan and Poetl. Nurse is obviously a coaching phenom.

Good call! :tu

Just another dumb ass comment on this site. People really believing that Nick Nurse is better than Pop is ridiculous considering when comparing last years Raptors team to this one he's not a good as Casey SMH!!!!

[TheGreatYacht]

Yes, I think Danny Green's 7% rise in 3-point shooting proves Nick Nurse is a superior coach to Pop. Heck, for even more evidence you can just look at the Raptors year-over-year win improvement after adding Kawhi, Danny and Mark Gasol to the roster, all while dealing with the loss of DeRozan and Poetl. Nurse is obviously a coaching phenom.

Good call! :tu
Kawhi is about to have his 3rd straight 60 win season and conference final appearance :lol while the GOAT coach is doing less than what Nate McMillan got from an Aldridge led-team despite having an all star level 2nd option in DeRozan that those Portland teams never had. Nate McMillan never got any credit for overachieving, never got the fluff pieces. He's still not getting talked about enough this season with Indiana, just like Doc Rivers won't get credit for finishing on top of the Spurs with only a team of role players (while trading Harris, their best player). Those are coaches that can win despite lacking the roster talent. The whole world is saying this is Pop's best coaching in his career.... He led a roster of two all star level players to the 8th seed.

[TheGreatYacht]

Just another dumb ass comment on this site. People really believing that Nick Nurse is better than Pop is ridiculous considering when comparing last years Raptors team to this one he's not a good as Casey SMH!!!!
Casey is also better than Pop though, tbh. Already took the Pistons to their first playoffs since 2015-16 in his first year as head coach. Defending coach of the year FYI, stop assuming he's shit because he's not a cac.

[BackHome]

I liked Danny but he could not dribble for shit and his 3 point game was getting worse and became pretty useless in playoff games.

[Collins21]

Casey is also better than Pop though, tbh. Already took the Pistons to their first playoffs since 2015-16 in his first year as head coach. Defending coach of the year FYI, stop assuming he's shit because he's not a cac.

I'm not offended with someone saying Casey has been better than Pop the last few years. I just think saying a clown like nurse is better is just ridiculous.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Truth is, I haven't seen anything out of Nick Nurse that says he's a great coach. Let's see how he fares with 60-win Kawhi. Anything less than suspenseful 6 or 7 game out in the ECF would be considered a failure.

[GreekSpursfan]

Put Nurse on this Spurs team and we are in the Zion sweepstakes, put Pop on the Toronto team and they are a lock to the finals with a very good chance to upset the Warriors. Nurse is going to blow it, just watch.

[TD 21]

For their sake, hopefully Green, who's due a massive shooting slump, holds off until the Conference Semis/Finals . . . but really, they deserve what they're getting because as has been discussed ad nauseam, he never should have been included without Anunoby coming back.

For being so stupid, they deserve for the Raptors to get to the Finals, Durant or Curry to get injured, the Raptors to win the championship, scumbag to win Finals MVP and both to re-sign.

Once they realized they weren't going to be able to make a decent trade, the next priority should have been screwing him. Instead, his punishment for pulling about the most despicable act possible in professional sports, is to probably get to a Finals and have an outside shot at a championship.

[spurraider21]

Chinook here's the LDN thread

[Darkwaters]

Blast from the past

[Em-City]

Put Nurse on this Spurs team and we are in the Zion sweepstakes, put Pop on the Toronto team and they are a lock to the finals with a very good chance to upset the Warriors. Nurse is going to blow it, just watch.



Those Dejounte chips are looking mighty tasty right now

[DAF86]

Nope, he still sucks. He's just making his threes so you guys are having an orgasm.

Lettuce be real tea, if he wasn't playing for the Spurs, where would he be rn?

He would have been winning rings anywhere else, like he did when he left us, tbh.

I hope you take this as a learning experience on what a championship level player looks like, tbh.

[Chinook]

I think these last six years have demonstrated why Pop was so down on Green. And yes, before anyone tries to fluff it up by saying "He wasn't down on him. He was trying to motivate him," no. Pop didn't bench Green for any player with a pulse because he was playing the long game. I used to buy into that idea, but trading Green and then re-signing Belinelli showed the truth of it. Pop never wanted Green to be a starter. Pop's vision of what a two-guard should be required that player to be a ball-handler driver, and he really didn't care much if he was a shooter. Don't get me wrong -- he understood the 2010's concept of spacing. But it's also clear that his ideal offense was more penetration and kicking out than tossing up threes.

We've seen the Spurs basically avoid Green-like players since Danny was traded. The Spurs bring in buttershot after buttershot and only supplement them with no-D shooters like Forbes. The common theme among those guys is that they all had the drive-and-kick element in their theoretical games. d-league development has consistently centered around prospects operating as primary ball-handlers. I'm not going to bore folks by going on and on about how nobody ever learns to be a three-and-D player as their primary focus. It's crazy, because as limited as Danny was, the team has missed him since the first game they played without him. This year, the Spurs desperately need a three-and-D wing to start for them. But we see with Castle, Nunez and Ingram that the listing of "tall ball-handler, no shooting necessary" remains high on the team's job board.

So Pop may have been trying to "tough love" Green. He may have designated him the team's whipping boy. But all of that is a side show to the bigger idea that Green was anathema to the "positionless" vision Pop's had since at least 2003. Decades later, and Pop still hasn't accepted that's not the future of the league.

[spurraider21]

ehh

green starter just about every game he played in his last 6 seasons with the spurs. Wasn’t playing 30+ minutes a night but also had Manu as a reserve behind him at his position

forbes starting only became a thing after green left

[Mugen]

1844388254038290618

DG finally retiring. One of my fav role players of all time tbh.

[Fizziksman]

1844388254038290618

DG finally retiring. One of my fav role players of all time tbh.

one rebound away from being named Finals MVP

[rjv]

had a lot of haters on this forum but green was a vital cog.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Now that the dust has settled, what did LDN mean?


I liked Danny for us a lot. He brought defense back to this team in a time we had stopped bothering with it, and Keith Bogans was the centerpiece.

[quentin_compson]

Someone (Zach Lowe?) once described Green's transition defense as the greatest random NBA talent ever or something (sorry, paraphrasing from memory here).
What a great carreer Danny Green had considering how it started out! :bobo

[LeBowen]

had a lot of haters on this forum but green was a vital cog.

I'll never get over '17 and scumbag Zaza.
I sometimes regret it even more than '13 because in those finals we at least got the chance to play it out.
Taking down '17 Warriors would easily be the greatest feat in NBA history.

DJ/Danny/Juice/nephew was arguably the greatest perimeter defense lineup ever.

[timtonymanu]

God I can’t believe this era was 10 years ago. I still remember Danny being the younger guy with Kawhi on the team.

Wing Stop :cry before Kawhi bitched out.

[exstatic]

God I can’t believe this era was 10 years ago. I still remember Danny being the younger guy with Kawhi on the team.

Wing Stop :cry before Kawhi bitched out.

Danny was really not the young guy at that point. He was drafted in 2009 when LeBron was still in Cleveland the first time, and he was a 4 year college player, drafted at 22. He was 24 when Kawhi was drafted in 2011 at 19.

[spurraider21]

Now that the dust has settled, what did LDN mean?


I liked Danny for us a lot. He brought defense back to this team in a time we had stopped bothering with it, and Keith Bogans was the centerpiece.
go to page one of this thread and read the OP

[couchman]

Danny Green defined and perfected the 3&D archetype better than anyone before or since.
If we get one more rebound his 2013 Finals performance goes down in history as one of the greatest of all time.

[TDomination]

i still can't believe they are keeping him open.

[timtonymanu]

Danny was really not the young guy at that point. He was drafted in 2009 when LeBron was still in Cleveland the first time, and he was a 4 year college player, drafted at 22. He was 24 when Kawhi was drafted in 2011 at 19.

I’m talking young in terms of experience, specifically 2012. He was basically new to the team like Kawhi was. We knew Kawhi was gonna be special but Danny surprised us all that year as well. It was a nice sight from the days of starting a washed Finley or scrubs like Mason or Bogans.

[timtonymanu]

One of my favorite Spurs of all time too. Up there with Bruce and Boris for me in terms of favorite Spurs role players.

Had he never developed here, they would have been stuck with a broken James Anderson or having to start Manu again.

Pretty cool that he won 2 more times (back to back too) even though it was with that snake Kawhi and the lakers.

Also for old times sake Danny “#lolholocaust.

[CorrectCrusader]

The Green Ranger! What a career! One of the greatest transition defenders of all time!

[tbdog]

The Green Ranger! What a career! One of the greatest transition defenders of all time!

He was so good at stopping easy transition baskets.

[barakz21]

So many times I’ve seen Danny stop 2-1 or even 3-1 fastbreaks by himself. That man was something else, he really lived up to the moniker IcyHot.

[Mal]

What a career. On of the best 3&D player. He was the glue player for many champioship roster

[exstatic]

So many times I’ve seen Danny stop 2-1 or even 3-1 fastbreaks by himself. That man was something else, he really lived up to the moniker IcyHot.

The icy hot moniker was because for a 40% 3 point shooter, he never went 2-5. It always seemed that it was 4-5, followed the next game by 0-5, aggregating to 40% over the span.

[Chinook]

A lot of fans took him for granted and just assumed he was a league-average, dime-a-dozen player. It's a shame Embiid killed his career. I hope the Spurs offer Green a job doing whatever he wants to do, whether it's coach, front office or media. He's an all-tome Spur, despite Pop being unable to figure out if he or Belinelli were better.

[Chinook]

The icy hot moniker was because for a 40% 3 point shooter, he never went 2-5. It always seemed that it was 4-5, followed the next game by 0-5, aggregating to 40% over the span.

What's funny is that back in the day I did an analysis to show he was actually more consistent than Bowen despite their reputations. I think now that we see more threes taken every game, we can get a better idea for how wide the range actually is.

[timtonymanu]

A lot of fans took him for granted and just assumed he was a league-average, dime-a-dozen player. It's a shame Embiid killed his career. I hope the Spurs offer Green a job doing whatever he wants to do, whether it's coach, front office or media. He's an all-tome Spur, despite Pop being unable to figure out if he or Belinelli were better.

Ugh my frustrations back then trying to tell people that Green was easily better than Belinelli. Green got unfair hate for how he performed against OKC in 2012 and then how he was shut down in Games 6 and 7 of the 2013 Finals. Pop had him on a short leash during that time too.

2014-2015 Danny was honestly a top 3 player on the Spurs. He was very underrated.

[exstatic]

Ugh my frustrations back then trying to tell people that Green was easily better than Belinelli. Green got unfair hate for how he performed against OKC in 2012 and then how he was shut down in Games 6 and 7 of the 2013 Finals. Pop had him on a short leash during that time too.

2014-2015 Danny was honestly a top 3 player on the Spurs. He was very underrated.

So, he was better than two of: Tim,Tony,Manu, Kawhi?

[timtonymanu]

So, he was better than two of: Tim,Tony,Manu, Kawhi?

Tim and Kawhi were the top 2.

Parker was terrible that year, tbh. Manu you could argue was as good as Danny. Danny had a strong season that year, IIRC.

[KingKev]

Danny Green is a top 15-25 Spur of all time. Crazy he was a throw-in, in the KL trade.

[Chinook]

So, he was better than two of: Tim,Tony,Manu, Kawhi?

There are a number of stats that say he was third behind Tim and Kawhi that season, yes. Tony and Manu were not themselves that year, and Danny helped carry the team on multiple occasions.

[Chinook]

Danny Green is a top 15-25 Spur of all time. Crazy he was a throw-in, in the KL trade.

It is. It speaks horribly to Pop that he let Green (and to a lesser extent, Anderson) go thinking guys like Belinelli, Forbes, Cun and Pon could replace him. The last few years of suffering through either butter-shots or No-D shooters has basically been him chasing a replacement for Green.

[spurraider21]

A lot of fans took him for granted and just assumed he was a league-average, dime-a-dozen player. It's a shame Embiid killed his career. I hope the Spurs offer Green a job doing whatever he wants to do, whether it's coach, front office or media. He's an all-tome Spur, despite Pop being unable to figure out if he or Belinelli were better.
I think i was a bigger Green fan than most (see below for my bona fides) but you were definitely president and chairman of the fan club.

Though i will miss the hilarity of you and ElNono (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) debating his overzealous closeouts :lol

Looked back at some of the Green threads I started. The first one here was frankly hilarious. Second one shows how much of a Danny slurper i was. Last one was amid one of the worst shooting slumps of his career when everybody here was calling for benching D-League Danny




Pop landing a gutshot on Chinook... (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241918)
How many SG's in the NBA, if swapped for Danny Green straight up, would improve us? (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239557)
Danny, I Still Believe In You (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254912)

[barakz21]

The icy hot moniker was because for a 40% 3 point shooter, he never went 2-5. It always seemed that it was 4-5, followed the next game by 0-5, aggregating to 40% over the span.

I know. Man was either hot or cold, there was no in between!

[tim_duncan_fan]

lol hilarious, thanks

[John B]

Danny Green defined and perfected the 3&D archetype better than anyone before or since.
If we get one more rebound his 2013 Finals performance goes down in history as one of the greatest of all time.

Nah Bowen was leading the league at 44% shooting 3 at one point and guarding from Nash to Dirk and Kobe in between.

[quentin_compson]

Bowen was a low-volume shooter, though. Not really comparable to Danny Green in that category.

[Chinook]

Bowen was a low-volume shooter, though. Not really comparable to Danny Green in that category.

Not just low volume but much less dynamic and even more erratic. We also have talked a bunch about how Bruce and defenders in the early and mid 2000s were held to a much lower defensive standard than they would've been held to a decade later. His defense on Nash, Kobe and Dirk would've been seen as disappointments in the Medium Three era. Those teams could actually tank a star's production rather than give up the same numbers and efficiency while intangibly "make them work for it".

Bowen was the prototype while Green is the archetype. Bruce was perfect for his era, but it's extremely unclear if he could've survived into the next paradigm. That he was still a bad free-throw shooter calls into question if he could've diversified his range. If not, he'd be much closer to PJ Tucker than Danny Green. That's still a quality player, but it's one with a clear cap. Nowadays, the value of one-on-one defenders is even less and shooters have be even more aggressive. I think the difference between them would be even more stark today than in 2014

[Pauleta14]

one rebound away from being named Finals MVP

13'??

It'd have been TP, the votes were aleady done, the NBA sent the question once Spurs had 7pts lead according to diff journalists

[Pauleta14]

:lmao at whoever thinks Green was top3 ...

The guy needed to be assisted to exist, very good role player but nowhere near what the Big 3 and Nephew were bringing

[ambchang]

Green had incredibly quick reflexes. I believe he was the only person to block a curry 3 the year curry won the unanimous MVP.

[exstatic]

Bowen was a low-volume shooter, though. Not really comparable to Danny Green in that category.

Bowen was also an 8 time All D selection, 7 times with SA, 5 times first team. Danny got one nod.

[Chinook]

By the same voters who couldn't figure out Duncan was the best defender on the Spurs and who kept putting Kobe on the teams. Back then, perimeter defense was graded on aesthetics, and the standard was "making your man work for his points" and "getting into his head". The M3 Spurs were not a chippy bunch at all. They didn't generate any ill will in their opponents. Duncan, Leonard, Splitter and Green just went out and did their business, and the opposing stars just didn't score. If Duncan were flexing on people every time he made a block, he would've won DPOY at least once, Bowen or no. Because Bruce had better aesthetics than Duncan, voters gave him a boost relative to Tim that prevented Tim from winning a DPOY despite being at worst a top-three defender of that era.

[Chinook]

I think i was a bigger Green fan than most (see below for my bona fides) but you were definitely president and chairman of the fan club.

I prefer the team High Priest.




Pop landing a gutshot on Chinook... (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241918)



Looking back at this thread, I wonder if Pop's urgency to downplay Green in relation to Kawhi might've been influenced by Kawhi's team. This is after Finals MVP and after the Spurs informed Leonard they weren't offering an extension. If reports are to be believed, his team had already started feeling slighted by the organization. I think they would've seen any discussion over who was the better defender as offensive -- whether it was warranted or not -- and I wonder if Pop knew that and tried to head it off. It seems clear that the Spurs had to manage things behind the scenes long before it started showing publicly. The thing that sucks about it is that Green never got the recognition he deserved as one of the best defensive players on his generation. His coach contributed to that to such an extent that even some fans like Ex see Green's lack of credit as deserved rather than a travesty. Maybe Pop did it to prevent the Kawhisis from blowing up even earlier than it ended up doing, but it was bad form nonetheless.

[couchman]

I absolutely love both Bowen and Green but Green is a better 3&D in my book.
Bowen was a better defender but it is close between them.
Green however was a much better shooter who could put it up from anywhere around the 3pt line and could extend a few feet out and could catch and shoot on the move and did it at more than twice the volume while Bowen was mostly standing in the corner tip-toeing the line waiting for a pass.
One was an elite two way role player and the other was a more limited specialty piece.
Both were champions and forever Spurs legends imo

[Trainwreck2100]

I absolutely love both Bowen and Green but Green is a better 3&D in my book.
Bowen was a better defender but it is close between them.
Green however was a much better shooter who could put it up from anywhere around the 3pt line and could extend a few feet out and could catch and shoot on the move and did it at more than twice the volume while Bowen was mostly standing in the corner tip-toeing the line waiting for a pass.
One was an elite two way role player and the other was a more limited specialty piece.
Both were champions and forever Spurs legends imo
of course he was a better 3 and d than bowen, 3 and d wasn't a thing when bowen was a player

[spurraider21]

13'??

It'd have been TP, the votes were aleady done, the NBA sent the question once Spurs had 7pts lead according to diff journalists
Duncan, not TP

[CGD]

Shout out Danny, awesome story.

He'll crush in this new media. Hell, if Cap Jack's podcast can land an interview with Kamala Harris, Danny will be alright!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzThwqnQJDY&ab_channel=ALLTHESMOKE

[KingKev]

Shout out Danny, awesome story.

He'll crush in this new media. Hell, if Cap Jack's podcast can land an interview with Kamala Harris, Danny will be alright!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzThwqnQJDY&ab_channel=ALLTHESMOKE

Podcast space is saturated and I’m not sure Danny Green has the flair or connections to make it last. Stack and to a leaser extent Matt Barnes rolodex is deep. They are highly regarded within the NBA, NFL and hip hop communities. Danny Green is a tad more polished and reserved though could see him being a mainstay on national TV for basketball related content.

[Pauleta14]

Duncan, not TP

At least Bill Simmons and another one I forgot said it'd have been TP bc he was decisive in game 1 and would've been the decisive factor in game 6

He could've been wrong but that was said multiple times

[CGD]

Podcast space is saturated and I’m not sure Danny Green has the flair or connections to make it last. Stack and to a leaser extent Matt Barnes rolodex is deep. They are highly regarded within the NBA, NFL and hip hop communities. Danny Green is a tad more polished and reserved though could see him being a mainstay on national TV for basketball related content.

Yeah I think you’re right. I can see him more as TV analyst type, maybe helping call games. In either case we haven’t heard the last of him

[spurraider21]

At least Bill Simmons and another one I forgot said it'd have been TP bc he was decisive in game 1 and would've been the decisive factor in game 6

He could've been wrong but that was said multiple times
im sure some people had different opinions over who SHOULD have won it, but it already came out that Duncan was atop the ballot

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarankfinalsrayallen/best-nba-finals-games-ray-allen-rescues-miami-heat


And I always wondered whose name showed up on the most ballots that Frank counted, who would have been the Finals Most Valuable Player if Allen had missed that shot and the ropes had been lifted and Bill Russell had handed over the trophy that bears his name.

I finally learned the answer this week.

It would have been Tim Duncan.

parker hit the huge shot in game 1 and frankly hit the 2 biggest shots down the stretch in game 6 that put us back ahead late. but over the course of the series, he was underwhelming given he was an mvp candidate during the season. he averaged less than 16ppg while shooting less than 42% from the field. duncan averaged 19/12 on 49% shooting and was the defensive anchor. he also had a great game 6 as well, putting up 30/17

[Mugen]

Danny Green is a top 15-25 Spur of all time. Crazy he was a throw-in, in the KL trade.

This. Danny was still a high level role player for 2-3 more seasons after that trade. And the fact that BWrong threw him in as filler was so dumb. So, so dumb.

[spurraider21]

This. Danny was still a high level role player for 2-3 more seasons after that trade. And the fact that BWrong threw him in as filler was so dumb. So, so dumb.
i mean yeah, he got traded in 2018 and was a starter on finals winners in both 2019 and 2020

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

https://media.tenor.com/SQat8PlhhzMAAAAM/well-bye-later.gif

[Chinook]

This. Danny was still a high level role player for 2-3 more seasons after that trade. And the fact that BWrong threw him in as filler was so dumb. So, so dumb.

It has nothing to do with Wright. It was all Pop wanting to go in the Forbes/Beli direction and believing the Murray defense hype. The Spurs seemed put off by Danny picking up his option, and there basically wasn't a trade scenario where Green wasn't outgoing.

[exstatic]

It has nothing to do with Wright. It was all Pop wanting to go in the Forbes/Beli direction and believing the Murray defense hype. The Spurs seemed put off by Danny picking up his option, and there basically wasn't a trade scenario where Green wasn't outgoing.

There was before he picked up the option. It was going to be Patty.

[Mugen]

It has nothing to do with Wright. It was all Pop wanting to go in the Forbes/Beli direction and believing the Murray defense hype. The Spurs seemed put off by Danny picking up his option, and there basically wasn't a trade scenario where Green wasn't outgoing.

That's all well and good but put at least trade him separately. Not just as a throw in when they were already getting bent over tbh.

[CGD]

Just choose to see old Danny basically getting us that 2031 FRP pick from Minnesota, and move on.

[ambchang]

I thought Danny was traded as a throw in due to him siding with nephew in the spat.

[exstatic]

I thought Danny was traded as a throw in due to him siding with nephew in the spat.

I don’t think he had a position until he got to TOR, where they all jumped on the Kawhi train. At least I never heard

[ElNono]

Bye Felicia...

[Tyronn Lue]

Why didn't Technique report this first?