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Nbadan

08-03-2005, 03:46 PM

Bid'niz, that's who!

:hat

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Poverty rates

The welfare states of continental Europe and social democratic Sweden seem better at tackling poverty than either the UK or the USA.

Britain created one of the earliest and most comprehensive welfare states when Labour adopted the Beveridge report in 1945.

But is was never well-funded enough to eliminate poverty.

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Social welfare spending

The effectiveness of welfare states in combatting poverty is closely related to how its citizens are prepared to spend.

Sweden, where total state spending makes up 60% of the economy, also spends twice as much on social welfare as the United States.

Britain falls between the low-spending USA and the high-spending continental European countries.

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Old age pensions

The biggest single item of welfare spending is old age pensions.

People retiring in the UK can expect to receive a far lower proportion of the income they received when working than in most other rich countries.

Currently, more UK pensioners than in the rest of Europe also have company pensions, but this may change in the future.

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Health care

The United States stands out as the only industrial country which only provides limited government health care benefits -mainly to the elderly.

Other people must buy private health insurance through their employer.

Britain's NHS provides a universal service, although not the best-funded one, with particularly generous prescription drug coverage.

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Unemployment

The most dramatic differences in welfare provision occur in regard to unemployment.

Liberal welfare states like the USA and the UK provide a sharp cut-off in benefits to discourage dependency and force people back to work.

Germany and France provide generous benefits, and some argue this leads to high unemployment and inflexible labour markets.

Source:BBC Business (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/business_comparing_welfare_states/html/1.stm)

SWC Bonfire

08-03-2005, 03:50 PM

Congrats! You just discovered that Europe is filled with socialist countries!

But (it) was never well-funded enough to eliminate poverty.

When it is fully funded, it is called Communism.

Nbadan

08-05-2005, 01:04 AM

Congrats! You just discovered that Europe is filled with socialist countries!

When it is fully funded, it is called Communism.

Funny, and here I thought that the U.S. was a socialist country or at least that's the impression I got from reading some of Whott, GSpur, and a few other's post. Fact is, when it comes to tax-and-spend, the U.S. is the most developed anti-socialist country in the world.

AFE7FATMAN

08-05-2005, 05:29 AM

We have only been fighting this WAR on Poverty since LBJ, 1964 etc We'll keep throwing $ at it till all these poor old farts die off.

BTW the old folks in France and Germany are a hell of a lot better off
depending on the Government to take care of them vs the fools that
thank our gov't will take care of them in their old age.

AFE7FATMAN

08-05-2005, 05:34 AM

Funny, and here I thought that the U.S. was a socialist country or at least that's the impression I got from reading some of Whott, GSpur, and a few other's post. Fact is, when it comes to tax-and-spend, the U.S. is the most developed anti-socialist country in the world.

Yep were anti-socialist, but Hillary could change that :lol
John Kerry missed his chance :rolleyes

Can Someone explain to me what I get for my taxes besides an underfunded
Military, piss poor roads, and seeing my grandchildren have the same education of those in Germany,and elsewhere, with the exception that what the Germans are learning at 14/15 years old is being taught in the 1st two years of College in the US :depressed

Clandestino

08-05-2005, 08:25 AM

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-05-2005, 08:37 AM

the U.S. is the most developed anti-socialist country in the world.

Damn straight.

You know, we'd probably have more money to use at home if we weren't funding things like the UN, but you have said in the past that entity is sooooooooo important to world security :lol

Similarly, look at all the foreign aid we give out around the world. All of the EU combined doesn't give out half the aid the US does every year.

I'd say the US does engage in some socialism, it's just socialism for the world.

And Clandestino beat me to it - they tax outrageously in Europe. That VAT tax alone is more than the income tax placed on those in the middle class tax bracket in this country.

Fuck socialism, I like having some money in my pocket.

sbsquared

08-05-2005, 12:43 PM

Also, take into consideration that we have at least 12 million illegal aliens in this country - I would bet that the vast majority of them are earning wages that put them below the poverty line. I don't think Sweden and Germany have that problem!!

ClintSquint

08-05-2005, 09:08 PM

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AFE7FATMAN

08-06-2005, 12:23 AM

Honestly, if you want these things you really should move to Europe. The only way we could have all this is raising tax rates to the level they do. I paid between 42-46% when I was a resident of Germany. Pretty fucking crazy. How many of you are want to fund other people Not me......

I'm already funding other people. :blah :blah :blah
My taxes are around 30% now. As a resident of Germany if you had any medical bills I'm sure they were a fraction of what you would pay in the US, plus you also had dental benefits I believe, not to mention a heck of a lot of paid holidays from
most jobs. Also you could travel on the autobahn and not have to slow down to 45mph every few miles because of construction, local exits, traffic lights, etc.and please don't bring up the cost of Gas :lol

More thoughts- Yagerschnetizel and fried potatoes, Good Wine and
Bitburger.
Oh I've got 18 more months and I retire for the 2nd time, 1st one was
my military one, than my wife and I are moving to Trier.

smeagol

08-06-2005, 06:07 AM

You know, we'd probably have more money to use at home if we weren't funding things like the UN, but you have said in the past that entity is sooooooooo important to world security :lol

Similarly, look at all the foreign aid we give out around the world. All of the EU combined doesn't give out half the aid the US does every year.
How much money does the US spend in the UN again? In foreign aid?

How does that compare with the money being spend in Iraq?

Clandestino

08-06-2005, 08:07 AM

I'm already funding other people. :blah :blah :blah
My taxes are around 30% now. As a resident of Germany if you had any medical bills I'm sure they were a fraction of what you would pay in the US, plus you also had dental benefits I believe, not to mention a heck of a lot of paid holidays from
most jobs. Also you could travel on the autobahn and not have to slow down to 45mph every few miles because of construction, local exits, traffic lights, etc.and please don't bring up the cost of Gas :lol

More thoughts- Yagerschnetizel and fried potatoes, Good Wine and
Bitburger.
Oh I've got 18 more months and I retire for the 2nd time, 1st one was
my military one, than my wife and I are moving to Trier.

No, I didn't have all the benefits... And no, I worked for an American company, so I didn't have their holidays.

Clandestino

08-06-2005, 09:57 AM

i've been there... it is just a taco bell in the px food court. it was fucking big, BIG news when it opened.. soldiers from everywhere were driving like 3-4 hours to go get taco bell!