Was the annoiting of Paul George premature?

[Killakobe81]

Watched him a lot the past few weeks and the gap between him and LeBron and Durant is growing, not shrinking. Thoughts?

I argued not a true superstar or max player ...yet.

[RD2191]

The dude is garbage, I've said this since forever. He only puts up number because the entire Pacers roster is offensively challenged.

[Killakobe81]

Wow just blew another 1on 1 layup late

[Michael Jordan.]

Like I said, the Pacers are pretenders.

[Killakobe81]

Like I said, the Pacers are pretenders.

I won't go that far but if Wade is relatively healthy don't see how they stop the LeBron 3peat ...

Just hit a bit too late 3 ..(George)
Stephenson just yook a ignorant foul ..

[Killakobe81]

Pg 4 for 16 in a very winnable game no way LeBron or Durant lose in the same situation ...

[lefty]

Yeah he has been absolute horse shit lately

[FkLA]

Meh, no shame in being nowhere close to Bron/Durant. Nobody is close and PG is in the tier that comes after them.

Man this has been a shitty NBA season who is even 3-10 in a Top 10 list?

[Killakobe81]

Meh, no shame in being nowhere close to Bron/Durant. Nobody is close and PG is in the tier that comes after them.

Man this has been a shitty NBA season who is even 3-10 in a Top 10 list?

Not saying it's a shame just that those ready to crown him a true super star.

[Clipper Nation]

Doesn't look like the Pacers are beating the Kang anytime soon, sorry haters :lol

[DMC]

Every team loses a game. Paul George isn't overrated. He's an out of nowhere man who rose to prominence during a time when nobody types rarely step up, but he did and whatever he gets from it he it deserves. It would be different if he were a Kevin Love stat faggot who never wins games, but the Pacers have the best record in the league and Paul George is big reason for it.

He's no Lebron, however if you look back a few years on this forum, the same kind of faggy takes were being said about Lebron when he would have a bad game or series, that he was overrated.

[DMC]

Pg 4 for 16 in a very winnable game no way LeBron or Durant lose in the same situation ...

Stupid take tbh. Every star player has lost to a team they should have beaten, because they didn't play well. If he didn't play well and the Pacers won anyhow, that's saying something though.

[freetiago]

Its Lance Stephensons fault tbh..
he thinks hes a superstar and hogs the ball going for triple doubles
early in the season when George was going he was the ball dominant player who was creating
now they have a role player who thinks hes an All-Star controlling the ball

it would be like Miami running their offense through Chalmers instead of Lebron tbh..
Stephenson needs to learn his role and defer to George

[DMC]

Its Lance Stephensons fault tbh..
he thinks hes a superstar and hogs the ball going for triple doubles
early in the season when George was going he was the ball dominant player who was creating
now they have a role player who thinks hes an All-Star controlling the ball

it would be like Miami running their offense through Chalmers instead of Lebron tbh..
Stephenson needs to learn his role and defer to George

RW
JR Smith
Kobe Lately

All ball hogs who kill the team's offense even if they score a lot of points.

[Killakobe81]

Stupid take tbh. Every star player has lost to a team they should have beaten, because they didn't play well. If he didn't play well and the Pacers won anyhow, that's saying something though.

Wasnt just this game, genius.

From Jan 14th ... via 8.9 Seconds.com
For the past seven games Paul George has been mired in the muck of a season worst shooting slump. At a paltry 35 percent from the field and a downright frightening 9-43 from three point range the early season magic of an MVP run at LeBron James seemed to be gone. The shots that had all come so easily early in the season for #24 were now falling short regularly. He looked tired. The effects of this slump were clearly evident in the team’s sluggish play. The Pacers continued to maintain the best record in the NBA, but at 88.5 points per game over seven games the offense was anything but smooth. The crisp ball movement that had accompanied the team for 20-something games seemed to be missing. It was only by ratcheting up a league best defense that Indiana continued to grind out wins.

From Indycornrows in December:
Another problem for George has been his inability to knock down mid-range shots. On two-pointers outside of the lane, George is 1-for-12 in his last three games; for the season though, he has knocked down 43.8 percent of his twos beyond the paint for the entire season.Those are the shots George thrived on early in the year. He was able to pull up from 15 feet and knock down jumpers. But defenses have been able to force George into more difficult jumpers recently.

From NBA.com
Paul George is shooting only 37.6% from the field his last 10 games BEFORE tonight, DMC.
Not saying he cant have a slump and still be a good player even great ones have slumps.
But my point was that truly great players do not go on prolonged ones like the kind George has a couple different times this year.

Not hating on him, just pointing out how large the gap is for him to be able to be considered with Durant & Lerbon ...
And oh yeah that you are wrong. Do your homework before you say my take was stupid. I only used tonight's game to pint out what many have noticed his play has trailed off. I asked the question if he was annointed to early. I also said I had been watching him the past few weeks.

If this was Steph or Kobe taking shitty 3 point shots and missing you would be all over them. The only good news most of the time he doesnt brick in huge volumes. Mostly he still plays good defense but he played shitty down the stretch on both ends tonight.

[Killakobe81]

Its Lance Stephensons fault tbh..
he thinks hes a superstar and hogs the ball going for triple doubles
early in the season when George was going he was the ball dominant player who was creating
now they have a role player who thinks hes an All-Star controlling the ball

it would be like Miami running their offense through Chalmers instead of Lebron tbh..
Stephenson needs to learn his role and defer to George

He also forced some shots.
But werent folks on here killin' Durant for being beta and allowing Westbrook to dominate the ball?
Again i love PG, he is from Palmdale Cali, but the double standard on here is comical.
IF George is a superstar shouldnt he take over and assert himself?
Stephenson can only hog if George defers tbh ...

Harlem was on George early, he has improved but his handles and play-making are not up to superstar status yet ...

[DMC]

Run at Lebron James?

There's a difference between him not being the league MVP and him being an overrated piece of shit. Let's not get all false dichotomy.

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IND (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2012.html)
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66
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IND (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2013.html)
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79
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6.2
14.9
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2.2
5.9
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4.1
8.9
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3.5
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1.1
6.5
7.6
4.1
1.8
0.6
2.9
2.9
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23
IND (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2014.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014.html)
SF
51
51
36.2
7.7
17.4
.442
2.4
6.4
.374
5.3
11.0
.481
4.7
5.5
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5.7
6.4
3.5
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0.2
2.8
2.5
22.4


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215
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5.2
12.0
.434
1.6
4.5
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3.6
7.5
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3.3
.816
0.8
5.1
5.9
2.8
1.6
0.5
2.2
2.6
14.8




Unless you think these stats are lying, George is shooting better this season than he did last season. Just when was he "overrated"?

[thunderup]

I'm surprised Paul George is half way decent offensively. His ball-handling is very bland to be considered a top perimeter player.

Teams will soon find ways to defend him and he'll bow out. I look for LeGOAT to expose this pussy in the playoffs.

[Killakobe81]

Run at Lebron James?

There's a difference between him not being the league MVP and him being an overrated piece of shit. Let's not get all false dichotomy.

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2010-11 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/georgpa01/gamelog/2011/)
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2.9
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2.3
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.537
1.3
1.7
.762
0.6
3.1
3.7
1.1
1.0
0.4
1.1
2.1
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2011-12 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/georgpa01/gamelog/2012/)
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IND (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2012.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html)
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66
29.7
4.3
9.7
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1.4
3.5
.385
2.9
6.1
.472
2.2
2.8
.802
0.8
4.8
5.6
2.4
1.6
0.6
1.8
2.9
12.1


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22
IND (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2013.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html)
SF
79
79
37.6
6.2
14.9
.419
2.2
5.9
.362
4.1
8.9
.457
2.8
3.5
.807
1.1
6.5
7.6
4.1
1.8
0.6
2.9
2.9
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23
IND (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2014.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014.html)
SF
51
51
36.2
7.7
17.4
.442
2.4
6.4
.374
5.3
11.0
.481
4.7
5.5
.854
0.6
5.7
6.4
3.5
1.8
0.2
2.8
2.5
22.4


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NBA

257
215
31.3
5.2
12.0
.434
1.6
4.5
.362
3.6
7.5
.478
2.7
3.3
.816
0.8
5.1
5.9
2.8
1.6
0.5
2.2
2.6
14.8




Unless you think these stats are lying, George is shooting better this season than he did last season. Just when was he "overrated"?

I said he was anointed a superstar, early. I wont bother but many on here were lauding Paul George as the #3 player in the league early this season. Especially after he creamed all over the Spurs. He is a great star on the uprise but he is "overrated" by some.

And let me get this straight because he improved his stats that means he cannot be "overrated"?

[Killakobe81]

Run at Lebron James?

There's a difference between him not being the league MVP and him being an overrated piece of shit. Let's not get all false dichotomy.

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IND (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2011.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html)
SG
61
19
20.7
2.9
6.5
.453
0.7
2.3
.297
2.3
4.2
.537
1.3
1.7
.762
0.6
3.1
3.7
1.1
1.0
0.4
1.1
2.1
7.8


2011-12 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/georgpa01/gamelog/2012/)
21
IND (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2012.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html)
SG
66
66
29.7
4.3
9.7
.440
1.4
3.5
.385
2.9
6.1
.472
2.2
2.8
.802
0.8
4.8
5.6
2.4
1.6
0.6
1.8
2.9
12.1


2012-13 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/georgpa01/gamelog/2013/) ★
22
IND (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2013.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html)
SF
79
79
37.6
6.2
14.9
.419
2.2
5.9
.362
4.1
8.9
.457
2.8
3.5
.807
1.1
6.5
7.6
4.1
1.8
0.6
2.9
2.9
17.4


2013-14 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/georgpa01/gamelog/2014/)
23
IND (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2014.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014.html)
SF
51
51
36.2
7.7
17.4
.442
2.4
6.4
.374
5.3
11.0
.481
4.7
5.5
.854
0.6
5.7
6.4
3.5
1.8
0.2
2.8
2.5
22.4


Career


NBA

257
215
31.3
5.2
12.0
.434
1.6
4.5
.362
3.6
7.5
.478
2.7
3.3
.816
0.8
5.1
5.9
2.8
1.6
0.5
2.2
2.6
14.8




Unless you think these stats are lying, George is shooting better this season than he did last season. Just when was he "overrated"?

Try here: (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224269&highlight=Paul+George)

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224269&highlight=Paul+George

Or any time "Super" is placed in front of star.
All-star? yes for sure
"budding" superstar? sure.
Legit superstar? Not yet.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the question is he even better then anyone else on the pacers roster?

[KaiRMD1]

The NBA and media pundits are so superstar obsessed that they are always in a rush to anoint anyone a superstar the first chance they get. Michael Carter Williams was almost anointed as the rookie of the year but he has fallen, thanks in part to a sixers squad that makes the Knicks look legit. Granted, the ol' sport has tremendous athleticism but is nowhere near the skils of LeBron or even Durant. Far too soon to annoint him as a superstar but we know that, the media doesn't.

[CitizenDwayne]

He's still the definite 3rd best in the league, and his defense is phenomenal. Still, offense-wise he's a bit of a chucker, but hopefully he'll get that shit out of his system.

[HarlemHeat37]

George is in a difficult position, tbh..

Hibbert can't score on his own, the starting PG can't dribble and Lance Stephenson is a high-usage player that doesn't play an efficient style of basketball..

David West is the only other player that can consistently create for himself, but he's getting old, tbh..

George was overhyped earlier in the year by many, myself included, but he's far better than he has shown recently, and unlike most perimeter stars, he actually impacts the game defensively..

Big Dog with a great point, as usual, George's ball-handling is still a work in progress..Vogel reportedly had him work on his ball-handling all Summer, and while it has certainly improved, it's a long process, and it's generally a trait that has a small ceiling for growth, tbh..

[Mugen]

He's still the definite 3rd best in the league, and his defense is phenomenal. Still, offense-wise he's a bit of a chucker, but hopefully he'll get that shit out of his system.

Highly arguable tbh, there's been no clear cut No. 3 this season as somebody previously mentioned in this thread. But George probably has the best case because of team success.

[Killakobe81]

George is in a difficult position, tbh..

Hibbert can't score on his own, the starting PG can't dribble and Lance Stephenson is a high-usage player that doesn't play an efficient style of basketball..

David West is the only other player that can consistently create for himself, but he's getting old, tbh..

George was overhyped earlier in the year by many, myself included, but he's far better than he has shown recently, and unlike most perimeter stars, he actually impacts the game defensively..

I agree. great points, Harlem. He was not good defensively late or for most of this game. As Pacers continued to brick and Mavs started to pull away a bit George, Hill and Lance all started to gamble recklessly. Putting one of the best FT shooting teams in the bonus early in the 4th.

If that is how they will react vs. the Mavs ...don't see how this team can beat the Heat. And he (PG) has some ways to go to be solid at that#3 spot. He may be there but only because Paul was hurt. And Blake has been very impressive lately as well. As someone else said he is on a tier with the all-stars; Dirk, Blake, LMA etc.

[romsey31]

I agree. great points, Harlem. He was not good defensively late or for most of this game. As Pacers continued to brick and Mavs started to pull away a bit George, Hill and Lance all started to gamble recklessly. Putting one of the best FT shooting teams in the bonus early in the 4th.

If that is how they will react vs. the Mavs ...don't see how this team can beat the Heat. And he (PG) has some ways to go to be solid at that#3 spot. He may be there but only because Paul was hurt. And Blake has been very impressive lately as well. As someone else said he is on a tier with the all-stars; Dirk, Blake, LMA etc.
Lol, it's the middle of the season, quit with your knee jerk reactions. Mia lost to Utah, okc lost to orl, what does that mean? Absolutely nothing. Pacers will be fine. Guys will turn it up come second half.

As for pg he is definitely struggling. he has to stop settling for jumpers and attack the rim. He also has to get back to attacking the rim aggressively on fast breaks instead of the euro step lay he does. They'll be fine

[Killakobe81]

Lol, it's the middle of the season, quit with your knee jerk reactions. Mia lost to Utah, okc lost to orl, what does that mean? Absolutely nothing. Pacers will be fine. Guys will turn it up come second half.

As for pg he is definitely struggling. he has to stop settling for jumpers and attack the rim. He also has to get back to attacking the rim aggressively on fast breaks instead of the euro step lay he does. They'll be fine

Wasn't knee jerk I said early on I don't see you guys beating the Heat assuming Wade is healthy. Your backcourt will ultimately be tour downfall I also don't think PG is mature enough as a star to win a close series vs a team as good as the Heat.

[Rogue]

I used to think my nigga Irving as the PG version of PG, but now it seems more like PG is the SF/SG version of Irving. Dude deserves credit for carrying his team to their current position, which can been viewed as an extension of PG and the team's superb form from last season's WCF, but Paul George by himself is just a borderline superstar... an upgraded Josh Howard, a cheap man's kevin Durant.

And it also seems that the team has suffered setbacks since they acquired Bynum, for some reason...

[sook]

He was ever in the same convo as durant? :lol

Lmao at the retards that said so.

[RsxPiimp]

:lol

[spurraider21]

Wasn't knee jerk I said early on I don't see you guys beating the Heat assuming Wade is healthy. Your backcourt will ultimately be tour downfall I also don't think PG is mature enough as a star to win a close series vs a team as good as the Heat.
Probably referring to the "if this is how they respond to the mavs, I can't see them beating the heat" thing. By that logic of takin one game, with how Miami lost to Utah, I can't see them getting by indiana

[Dex]

Only slightly more so than the anointing of Kawhi Leonard.

[Raven]

some people expect too much out of him, he's a great player and can do it on both ends. He will never be on the level of those two, but he can be close and win anyway. Not soon though.

[spurraider21]

LeBron is banging on the doors to GOAT-hood and Durant is one of the best offensive players the league has ever seen. PG is a great player but it's unfair to hold him to their level

[AchillesHeel]

I called this shit like a month ago, brb, bumping.

[Venti Quattro]

Killakobe81 with the goods

[Venti Quattro]

Killakobe81 with the goods
Killakobe81 right bout det Paul Catfish George

[Killakobe81]

Appreciate it, Venti. I like there kid but the jizz was premature.

[sook]

I called this shit before KK :lol

Props to us for sticking to our guns tbh

[Venti Quattro]

:lol Killakobe81 with some ECF goods