Why does everyone hate Obama so bad?

[Thebesteva]

I am not an Obama supported by any means, I think he at best has been a lame duck president who is good at giving speeches. I am just not sure why the country hates him so bad when George W was 100000 x worst. I think its clear Obama just cant get us out of the mess made by W.

Bush actually took a surplus and a great country to the shitters to pay his friends and you fuckers applauded him for it until the end when you realized we all got played. Obama just can't clean up this shit now.

So I think Obama is like rectal cancer but George W is the plague

[scott]

He's black, and that's enough to be hated by a huge chunk of the republican base.

[baseline bum]

I am not an Obama supported by any means, I think he at best has been a lame duck president who is good at giving speeches. I am just not sure why the country hates him so bad when George W was 100000 x worst. I think its clear Obama just cant get us out of the mess made by W.

Bush actually took a surplus and a great country to the shitters to pay his friends and you fuckers applauded him for it until the end when you realized we all got played. Obama just can't clean up this shit now.

So I think Obama is like rectal cancer but George W is the plague

I hate Obama because he had a chance to fix healthcare, and then didn't even fight the blue dog faggots for a public option. Nigga got bullied by conservative democrats like hell. Then there is his financial team that stretched from Goldman to Sachs. As soon as house ###### appointed that faggot Geitner to head the FED you knew he was going to be another piece of shit president who would do nothing worthwhile in response to all the criminals on Wall Street crashing the economy.

[AntiChrist]

I knew someone would immediately post what scott posted, I just figured it would be boutons.

[baseline bum]

I knew someone would immediately post what scott posted, I just figured it would be boutons.

Yeah, doesn't make sense since op asked why everyone hates Obama, not why teabaggers hate him.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't hate him but I do strongly dislike his condescending tone and his apparent belief that if he lies with enough conviction that I am stupid enough to buy his bullshit.

[AntiChrist]

So, the only one that hates Obama in this thread is baseline boutons? :lmao

[baseline bum]

So, the only one that hates Obama in this thread is baseline boutons? :lmao

Doubtful, Mr dittohead.

[Bill_Brasky]

Maybe because he talked a big game and ended up being Bush 2. Literally. But it is funny watching republicunts try and spin why Obama is bad but Bush wasn't.

[Clipper Nation]

I don't hate Obama, but it's obvious that he's just another in a long line of neocon presidents who kiss up to Wall Street, the Fed, and the military at the expense of our liberties, tbh....

[baseline bum]

Maybe because he talked a big game and ended up being Bush 2. Literally. But it is funny watching republicunts try and spin why Obama is bad but Bush wasn't.

:cry but he says progressive things in his speeches :cry

[Bill_Brasky]

:cry well he didn't pick some dumb Alaskan kent to be his running mate. That sadly makes him the best candidate by default. :cry

[CosmicCowboy]

:cry well he didn't pick some dumb Alaskan kent to be his running mate. That sadly makes him the best candidate by default. :cry

Biden just won that race by a nose, though.

[AntiChrist]

Maybe because he talked a big game and ended up being Bush 2. Literally. But it is funny watching republicunts try and spin why Obama is bad but Bush wasn't.


Republicunts? nice


Who's been talking up the greatness of GWB around here?

[Winehole23]

the unhinged red/muslim/kenyon/antichrist baiting of Obama has undoubtedly obscured the substantial continuity between him and GWB.

you've been a part of that, Darrin.

[AntiChrist]

the unhinged red/muslim/kenyon/antichrist baiting of Obama has undoubtedly obscured the substantial continuity between him and GWB.

you've been a part of that, Darrin.


I created this troll account as a joke in 2008 -- it was a reaction to a classic thread by AngelLuv. You are good forum dung beetle -- look it up.

[boutons_deux]

"I hate Obama because he had a chance to fix healthcare"

no one ever had a chance to fix healthcare because the health care industy is one of the wealthy, powerful co-owners of Congress.

ACA wasn't going anywhere unless the health care industry got paid, and they did. Nothing happens in Congress unless somebody, the more the merrier, gets paid.

[DarrinS]

I think I finally fixed my regular account. Ditching the troll.

[Winehole23]

I created this troll account as a joke in 2008 -- it was a reaction to a classic thread by AngelLuv. You are good forum dung beetle -- look it up.I'm familiar with the thread. It was around the time you lied about voting for Obama.

[Winehole23]

as you may recall, it was the AntiChrist troll that undermined your veracity.

[TSA]

He's condescending liar who has no respect for the constitution. Not much different than previous Presidents.

[AntiChrist]

as you may recall, it was the AntiChrist troll that undermined your veracity.



Bottom line, I don't hate the man, I just knew he was a fraud back when all the ObamaZombieBots were in a state of rapture. They are awake now.

[Winehole23]

don't sprain your wrist patting yourself on the back.

lol lying for the good cause.

[RandomGuy]

I hate Obama because he had a chance to fix healthcare, and then didn't even fight the blue dog faggots for a public option. Nigga got bullied by conservative democrats like hell. Then there is his financial team that stretched from Goldman to Sachs. As soon as house ###### appointed that faggot Geitner to head the FED you knew he was going to be another piece of shit president who would do nothing worthwhile in response to all the criminals on Wall Street crashing the economy.

What got passed was what could get passed. Not far enough into the innards of the health insurance industry to really make meaningful change. A step.

I don't begrudge the man from that.

[RandomGuy]

Biden just won that race by a nose, though.

Hardly.

For all of Biden's faults he more than made up for it by being actually informed. There is no excuse when you are running for the highest executive office in the federal government to be quite that ignorant.

[Th'Pusher]

Biden just won that race by a nose, though.
What does that say about Paul Ryan considering Biden wiped the floor with him in the 2012 vp debates?

[The Reckoning]

he ran on the platform of "hope" and "change" but kept and expanded the same policies as bush (namely the patriot act...). if he really wanted to promote change, he'd challenge mega-corps, promote legalization of marijuana, speak more about peace instead of going after people, promote equal rights, and use his status as a biracial american to stop the racist politically-correct tone that america employs every day. we're all americans, regardless of our skin color. instead he ballooned the status quo and made it more acceptable to the public.


we have yet to see how obamacare pans out, but it's a very intimidating piece of legislation that laypersons have yet to really understand fully. let's hope the government does and is able to work in the same proximity as healthcare professionals on the matter.

really the evident change to me is that obama shattered that wall between the presidency and pop culture. i don't know if i'm comfortable with that change yet. i understand that it's a great PR move to be a cool president and be directly involved within the public sphere (talk shows, guest appearances, the first lady doing SNL style skits), taking the most vacation time ever, but then again the most difficult job in america warrants a strict professional standard. the world is watching...


i guess the main issue is how conservative he ended up playing his presidency (with the exception of healthcare, which has been one of the main focuses of the democratic party for decades) and subsequently ostracizing much of his support base who elected him. then you have conservatives who won't like him strictly on party terms.

for me the whole race issue is disturbing on both sides of the argument. i detest the "one drop" rule of being black. you should claim whatever you want to be, and no one should judge you or lift you up based on your skin color or denomination. it's a sad world when people are partial or impartial to someone just because their looks or background is a novelty.


i think overall he is an OK president by making the status quo more accepting to the public. honestly i really like how he handled the economic situation, though i'd like to see more taxes and less debt imo. however, no matter who the president is, US citizens should scrutinize him/her and keep close watch because he/she represents our nation. once we start building up public leaders as idols then we're no different than countries who are suppressed by dictators.

[CosmicCowboy]

What does that say about Paul Ryan considering Biden wiped the floor with him in the 2012 vp debates?

Mr. Smirk? Sure he did...:lmao


According to the CNN poll of independents, Paul Ryan won the debate, 48% to 44%. The same poll showed that people who watched the debate believed that Paul Ryan expressed himself better than Joe Biden, 50%-41%. An NBC poll of 435 uncommitted voters after the debate showed Paul Ryan winning with 63% to 31%. CNBC had it 56% to 36%, again with Paul Ryan coming out on top. Even the Danville Advocate Messenger had Paul Ryan on top at the end of the day, attracting 56% to Biden's 41%

[Wild Cobra]

When the whole tone of the OP comes from a single perspective, diametrically opposed to mine, I sometimes don't participate. What's the point when nobody really listens to the other views? We have already been over the underlying reasoning multiple times, and nobody accepts the other persons perspective. Should I expect that to change in this thread?

[AntiChrist]

For all of Biden's faults he more than made up for it by being actually informed.


Sarcasm?

[DarrinS]

What does that say about Paul Ryan considering Biden wiped the floor with him in the 2012 vp debates?

Srsly?

[TSA]

Sarcasm?

Joe "shoot your 12 gauge in the air" Biden!

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/joebiden/a/bidenisms.htm

[ElNono]

I think the responses in general are spot on. If you're not directly hating, you definitely are trying to appeal to hate when you start parading the kenyan muslim negro line. Props to scott for going straight to that one point.

Personally, I don't hate him, but I am disappointed he's more of the same. He's not the first politician with a sharp tongue and full of shit, and he won't be the last. But it's certainly an opportunity lost.

I think the other aspect is that America has become extremely polarized, and while that predates him, it has only become more and more pronounced. It will take some prosper times and bigger men to solve that, and unfortunately we don't have either at this time.

[boutons_deux]

"It will take some prosper times and bigger men to solve that"

it will take LOTS of bigger men, and women, enough Liz Warren/Grayson-minded majorities in both Congressional chambers.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Mr. Smirk? Sure he did...:lmao

http://www.thenation.com/blog/170518/polls-divided-winner-veep-debate-biden-easily-takes-undecided-vote


CNN on their site just admitted that the sample for their poll was “a debate audience that was more Republican than the country.” Sample was 33 percent GOP and 31 percent Dem. CNN spokesman: “That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is more Republican than an average of recent CNN polls of all Americans.” They revealed last week—also belatedly—that their sample was similarly skewed but few paid attention because of Romney's wide margin of victory. Note: all major national polls always sample a few more Democrats because they do top Repubs in registration numbers.

[DarrinS]

"It will take some prosper times and bigger men to solve that"

it will take LOTS of bigger men, and women, enough Liz Warren/Grayson-minded majorities in both Congressional chambers.




:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.thenation.com/blog/170518/polls-divided-winner-veep-debate-biden-easily-takes-undecided-vote

:lmao @ you nit picking the poll results in a feeble attempt to back up your assertion that "Biden wiped the floor with him"

give it up, loser.

[RandomGuy]

Sarcasm?

Relative to Sarah Palin, my ten year old is well-informed. Not sarcasm, just not a high bar to clear.

Even so, Biden was, and is, far more informed on issues and events than your average American, having been a Senator with a staff for many years longer than a half term governor of a podunk state.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao @ you nit picking the poll results in a feeble attempt to back up your assertion that "Biden wiped the floor with him"

give it up, loser.

You gave invalid poll results. It is what it is. Bluster doesn't change that.

[RandomGuy]

:lmao @ you nit picking the poll results in a feeble attempt to back up your assertion that "Biden wiped the floor with him"

give it up, loser.


As for the pundits and cable channels: MSNBC predictably big for Biden, Fox even more so for Ryan—with one analyst after another hitting Biden for his “demeanor” and “buffoonery.” Karl Rove tweeted that Biden was “unhinged.” Many analysts at CNN said Ryan “held his own.”

In an absolute sense Biden came off as better informed, and on balance with the undecideds that mattered, did "win".

That said much of it is very subjective. I think most saw what they wanted to see. I don't remember either really scoring any big wins.

I do remember Romney stepping on his dick though about Benghazi. :rofl

[RandomGuy]

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I don't think that VEEP candidates were what won or lost the election. That sums it up. Easy, quick sound bites that wrote the narrative of an out of touch richer who gets his news form places disassociated from reality.

[TSA]

Relative to Sarah Palin, my ten year old is well-informed. Not sarcasm, just not a high bar to clear.

Even so, Biden was, and is, far more informed on issues and events than your average American, having been a Senator with a staff for many years longer than a half term governor of a podunk state.

He may be more informed but....

“Look at what they [Republicans] value, and look at their budget. And look what they're proposing. [Romney] said in the first 100 days, he's going to let the big banks write their own rules -- unchain Wall Street. They're going to put y'all back in chains." --Joe Biden, speaking to a largely African-American audience in Danville, Va., Aug. 14, 2012


"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened." –Joe Biden, apparently unaware that FDR wasn't president when the stock market crashed in 1929 and that only experimental TV sets were in use at that time, interview with Katie Couric, Sept. 22, 2008


"A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States — Barack America!" --Joe Biden, at his first campaign rally with Barack Obama after being announced as his running mate, Springfield, Ill., Aug. 23, 2008


"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." –Joe Biden, referring to Barack Obama at the beginning of the 2008 Democratic primary campaign, Jan. 31, 2007


"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." --Joe Biden, in a private remark to an Indian-American man caught on C-SPAN, June, 2006

[Wild Cobra]

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." –Joe Biden, referring to Barack Obama at the beginning of the 2008 Democratic primary campaign, Jan. 31, 2007

That one is so... so... Biden...

If anyone else said that, they would be persecuted as a racist. Why can Biden say it?

[Blake]

When the whole tone of the OP comes from a single perspective, diametrically opposed to mine, I sometimes don't participate. What's the point when nobody really listens to the other views? We have already been over the underlying reasoning multiple times, and nobody accepts the other persons perspective. Should I expect that to change in this thread?

I forget, are you a conservatard or a progessivetard

[Wild Cobra]

I forget, are you a conservatard or a progessivetard
LOL...

Neither of those roll off the tongue as well as libtard, do they?

I am libertarian, with most my leanings based on conservative views.

I once saw something I wish I copied. I'll see if i can remember it correctly:

"Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out"

[CosmicCowboy]

You gave invalid poll results. It is what it is. Bluster doesn't change that.

You mean bluster like "Biden wiped the floor with him'?

You are correct.

[Th'Pusher]

You mean bluster like "Biden wiped the floor with him'?

You are correct.

That was my bluster, and the responses it garnered from both you and DarrinS were predictable. Going into the debate, the Wonk Ryan was supposed to wipe the floor with Biden. That didn't happen and you know it. That was the point.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That was the debate where Biden laughed at Ryan repeatedly. That is what I remember about it.

[Jacob1983]

I personally don't hate Obama but I think he is a shitty president. He claimed to be the anti-Bush and has been nothing more than a clone of Bush. His stances on civil liberties make Bush look like a saint. The same could also be said for his stance on fighting terrorism. Obama was not ready to be president but loves the fame and celebrity that he gets from being the president. I have never seen a president be such an attention whore. I mean Obama just whores himself out to the media. Who the fuck cares what thinks about Lebron and the Heat? How about his opinions on shit that matters to everyone.

[baseline bum]

Cracks me up how all the Obama haters who do nothing but bitch about him on the board go the PC route and claim they don't hate his sorry ass.

[Jacob1983]

I'm not PC. I think it's possible to think someone is a piece of shit without hating them. Obama sucks. His half whiteness has nothing to do with it. Obama wanted to be president but didn't want to deal with the bad that comes with the presidency.

[boutons_deux]

I'm not PC. I think it's possible to think someone is a piece of shit without hating them. Obama sucks. His half whiteness has nothing to do with it. Obama wanted to be president but didn't want to deal with the bad that comes with the presidency.

the bad that comes with Democratic presidency the last 22 years has been bloody minded Repug witch hunting, harassment, full-court obstructionism, and in Obama's case, inheriting a badly mismanaged economy (Repug dereg/misgovernment + Greenspan fuckups), the worst financial depression in 80 years, and two bogus, botched, lost wars.

[Jacob1983]

I don't give a shit if Obama inherited a fucked up America from Bush. Obama has been president for 5 years. He's had time to fix shit and has done nothing to fix anything. Bush was probably in on 9/11 which basically destroyed America and Obama was so strongly against so many things that Bush supported but in the end Obama was corrupted by power and greed.

[ElNono]

I'm not PC. I think it's possible to think someone is a piece of shit without hating them. Obama sucks. His half whiteness has nothing to do with it. Obama wanted to be president but didn't want to deal with the bad that comes with the presidency.

I don't buy the presidency comes with "the bad". The presidency comes with many responsibilities, but also with a lot of power. If he didn't have the balls to do what needed to be done (in my opinion anyways), it's on him, not the presidency.

[boutons_deux]

I don't give a shit if Obama inherited a fucked up America from Bush. Obama has been president for 5 years. He's had time to fix shit and has done nothing to fix anything. Bush was probably in on 9/11 which basically destroyed America and Obama was so strongly against so many things that Bush supported but in the end Obama was corrupted by power and greed.

:lol evidence? Obama has accomplished almost nothing except ACA and way too small stimulus, due Repug obstructionism.

[Jacob1983]

I was trying to say that Obama wanted to be president so bad back in 2008 that now he acts like he doesn't want to own up to his failures and misfortunes aka the bad. He loves the good. He loves whoring himself out to the media and celebrities but hates having to deal with questions about the fact that he sucks ass. You have to be able to handle the good and bad when you are the president.
Boutons, you are a koolaid drinker. There is no point in arguing with you.

[ElNono]

Well, he's a politician. The way you stop that is having the GOP win the Senate, control Congress and turn him into a lame duck prez. Could be next November.

[Winehole23]

so, Jacob, who was the last president emotionally mature enough to come to terms with the fact he sucked ass?

please be specific.

[Trainwreck2100]

Well, he's a politician. The way you stop that is having the GOP win the Senate, control Congress and turn him into a lame duck prez. Could be next November.

cause only having congress hasn't stopped them from keeping him from doing anything

[ElNono]

cause only having congress hasn't stopped them from keeping him from doing anything

It's different though. I don't think he's taken much heat for that.

Once congress changes hands, they can start putting bills on the table and daring him to veto. Right now, dirty Harry just has to shelve the bills and it doesn't reflect on the president.

Taking Congress would be akin to what happened when the Dems took control at the end of dubya. He became a lame duck and on the defensive.

[Jacob1983]

Bush destroyed America and he knew that while he was destroying America that most of America hated him but it didn't seem like it affected him that much. When Bush was president, he did not give that much of a fuck if people liked him or not.

[CosmicCowboy]

so, Jacob, who was the last president emotionally mature enough to come to terms with the fact he sucked ass?

please be specific.Lyndon Johnson comes to mind.

[Winehole23]

I wonder. Seems to me the more elegant explanation for LBJ withdrawing in 1968 was realizing, not that he sucked, but that he couldn't win.

any other examples come to mind?

[The Reckoning]

I wonder. Seems to me the more elegant explanation for LBJ withdrawing in 1968 was realizing, not that he sucked, but that he couldn't win.

any other examples come to mind?


obama on healthcare:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/exclusive-obama-personally-apologizes-americans-losing-health-coverage-v21352724


also clinton on bin laden during some fox interview:

"So I tried and failed.... I had responsibility for trying to protect this country. I tried and I failed to get bin Laden. I regret it. But I did try. And I did everything I thought I responsibly could."







actually... after a quick google search..

http://www.policymic.com/articles/72705/7-times-u-s-presidents-have-admitted-they-were-wrong-in-history

i think more often than not presidents have realized they suck :lol or that their campaign of lies was a major success :lol

[pgardn]

I wonder. Seems to me the more elegant explanation for LBJ withdrawing in 1968 was realizing, not that he sucked, but that he couldn't win.

any other examples come to mind?

Lyndon was always second guessing decisions and could not sleep.
I think if one asks the historians who write about him, they would say
he fully realized the mistakes he made, even though he blames Vietnam for screwing his domestic plans.

He really did not like being president. He loved being in the Senate.

Jimmy Carter as well for pondering his mistakes and doing the should have why did I not see it

[Chewbacca]

I don't give a shit if Obama inherited a fucked up America from Bush. Obama has been president for 5 years. He's had time to fix shit and has done nothing to fix anything. Bush was probably in on 9/11 which basically destroyed America and Obama was so strongly against so many things that Bush supported but in the end Obama was corrupted by power and greed.

:tu

[boutons_deux]

He's had time to fix shit and has done nothing to fix anything. ... in the end Obama was corrupted by power and greed.

what shit can your imaginary Divine Right King and omnipotent dictator Obama fix (that you want fixed) without Congress?

what evidence do you have, other than you emotions, that "in the end Obama was corrupted by power and greed"

[Nbadan]

what evidence do you have, other than you emotions, that "in the end Obama was corrupted by power and greed"

Well, there is the fact that right wing radio said it, over and over again, so it must be true...

[Nbadan]

Hating on Obama is a symptom of hating on government in general, but the real problem isn't government but politicians...we elect millionaires to represent us in Congress and then sit around and complain because these guys can't relate to the ordinary joe..we let the private industry write their own legislation and regulation and then complain when there is too much or too little oversight..in TX we have state comptrollers and even judges running against Obama...no experience or qualifications necessary...

[Jacob1983]

Obama was corrupted by greed and power the same way Bush was. Candidate Bush back in 2000 would have been a great president. He was against nation building. He even said that America shouldn't be the policemen of the world. He said that we should lead by example not by force. When Bush became president, he was the complete opposite of that. The same could be said for Obama. Candidate Obama preached to us that voting for McCain would be a 3rd term of Bush. He told us every day in 2008 that he was going to be the anti-Bush. He would end the wars and stop the violation of civil liberties and unite people. He hasn't done any of that. He has enhanced the police state and violated civil liberties a million times more than Bush ever did as president.

[CitizenDwayne]

Bush destroyed America and he knew that while he was destroying America that most of America hated him but it didn't seem like it affected him that much. When Bush was president, he did not give that much of a fuck if people liked him or not.

You cannot seriously believe that. Guy was just as much an ass-kisser as Obama is now

[Jacob1983]

I do believe it. Bush wasn't whoring himself out to Jay Leno and Dave Letterman every night. He wasn't telling us his opinion on everything.

[Rogue]

If you hated bush that much when he was president, it should be hard for you not to hate Obama because they're basically the two sides of the same coin imho. Son of a bitch hurts this country economically with his healthcare reform bullshit more than Bush did tbh.

[DeadlyDynasty]

How much time ya got, buddy?

[lefty]

Obama doesnt look as bad as Bush Jr because he looks less retarded, but it's the same BS

[Nbadan]

If you hated bush that much when he was president, it should be hard for you not to hate Obama because they're basically the two sides of the same coin imho. Son of a bitch hurts this country economically with his healthcare reform bullshit more than Bush did tbh.

Well, maybe the NSA/domestic spying crap and not going after the wall street crooks, but Obama did end two wars Dubya started and stopped the torture and extraordinary rendition war crimes of the Bush Administration

[SnakeBoy]

so, Jacob, who was the last president emotionally mature enough to come to terms with the fact he sucked ass?

please be specific.

First chumpdumper impersonation I've seen from you. Suits you well.

[Winehole23]

unintentional. it's legit to ask posters what they mean.

[Wild Cobra]

First chumpdumper impersonation I've seen from you. Suits you well.
He does it more often than you realize!