Temple of Austin Daye

[ElNono]

:wow

[timtonymanu]

Don't know much about Daye. How's his defense?

[ElNono]

Can't be worse than Errors, amirite?

[spurraider21]

:worthy:

[Chinook]

Don't hate him. I would rather have had Singleton, but Daye's really tall and can shoot.

[Spur|n|Austin]

well there we go

[spurraider21]

:lol i still dont understand the hype around singleton around here

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

a 6'11 SF... with a PER of 2.5

[Chinook]

Another player from the 09 draft. You'd think it was the best in history or something.

[ElNono]

Expect him to at least triple his PER on the Spurs during the two 20 mins stints he's going to get until the end of the season, tbh...

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7KNE4I8iQo

[Robz4000]

At least they got another SF, even if he sucks. Never know, the Spurs' system might save his career.

[timtonymanu]

Another player from the 09 draft. You'd think it was the best in history or something.

Green and Mills are the only good players we have from that draft though. Blair was decent too. Errors, Nando, and Sam Young are all scrubs. :lol

[Baam]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1305507******=15


http://forums.realgm.com/boards/styles/realgm_blue/imageset/icon_post_target.gif (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=38712134#p38712134)by shotcaller09 (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=136117) on Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:16 pmi
had a feeling when we saw Daye jacking and bricking everything in garbage time in a game recently that this might be the last we see of him! So glad thats true



http://forums.realgm.com/boards/styles/realgm_blue/imageset/icon_post_target.gif (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=38712217#p38712217)by Asif16 (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=146351) on Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:17 pm
Casey just announced his starting lineup for tomm game:

Lowry
Vasquez
Stone
Bikes
De Colo

"This was a trade we had to do. Gives us good ball handlers and spacing."


:lol Sounds like Spursfans tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

His only strengths are long-range shooting(for a player his size), running the floor and he's a decent post defender for his skinny frame..

Overall, he's one of the worst defensive forwards in the league and offensively, he doesn't have the handles to get to the rim, which has been his biggest problem in the NBA..

[will_spurs]

Good job El Nono, still as fast as ever.

[spurraider21]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7KNE4I8iQo
he's gna do this every gamePERIOD

[DPG21920]

He's awful. Somehow, Spurs have managed to actually lower their talent ceiling :lol

[Spur|n|Austin]

Good luck to Nando - the guy has lots of heart, just not the best fit for this team.

[crc21209]

At least they got another SF, even if he sucks. Never know, the Spurs' system might save his career.

This. If the Spurs saved Green's career maybe Pop and the fellas can turn around Daye's career. At least we have another SF now....

[Chinook]

I hope Nando's departure doesn't lead to Brown getting re-upped. A nice thing about Daye is that his contract is mostly non-guaranteed next season. Small but possibly important trade asset during the draft.

[ElNono]

I hope Nando's departure doesn't lead to Brown getting re-upped. A nice thing about Daye is that his contract is fully non-guaranteed next season. Small but possibly important trade asset during the draft.
Bruno just said he has $250K guaranteed... which one is right?

[Chinook]

This. If the Spurs saved Green's career maybe Pop and the fellas can turn around Daye's career. At least we have another SF now....

I like the optimism, but Green's always been a good player. He just didn't play enough. Daye hasn't been good.

[pookenstein]

Not good for the "international intelligence" agenda?

[Mel_13]

I hope Nando's departure doesn't lead to Brown getting re-upped. A nice thing about Daye is that his contract is fully non-guaranteed next season. Small but possibly important trade asset during the draft.

250K guaranteed per sham.

[Bruno]

Bruno just said he has $250K guaranteed... which one is right?

I trus Sham on that:
http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/raptors.jsp

[Chinook]

Bruno just said he has $250K guaranteed... which one is right?

Bruno is. I misread.

[baseline bum]

As long as he doesn't have 8 turnovers I'm good.

[PingPong]

Black Bonner @ sf.

[ElNono]

I trus Sham on that:
http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/raptors.jsp


Bruno is. I misread.

:tu

[spurraider21]

So I guess instead of the old turd towers, now we have Dayres :lmao

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Adaye5

[DMC]

#PlayDaye

DoomsDaye

Daye Tripper

Austin Toro

[jeebus]

JHUTT

[Chinook]

On the flipside, though, this trade actually might cost the team money. They must like Daye at least a little if they didn't just buy De Colo out.

[ElNono]

On the flipside, though, this trade actually might cost the team money. They must like Daye at least a little if they didn't just buy De Colo out.

Per Bruno, we get a $1.5M trade exception out of it too...

[Horse]

He won't have to dribble. They will get him open shots, he just has to hit them. Hopefully they can teach him to play some D.

[spurraider21]

so is this guy gna become another Channing Frye?

[Chinook]

Per Bruno, we get a $1.5M trade exception out of it too...

That's enough to take back a disappointing player on a rookie contract or a player like James Anderson who doesn't qualify for the min exception.

[crc21209]

He won't have to dribble. They will get him open shots, he just has to hit them. Hopefully they can teach him to play some D.

True. His handles can't be worse than Green :lol. If he can knock down an open shot here and there and be average on D, I'll take it as a win...

[superjames1992]

But all I hear are echoes?

Amen.

[TheGoldStandard]

Still way better than Ayres...

[cjw]

a 6'11 SF... with a PER of 2.5

Sample size of 32 minutes

[cd021]

#PlayDaye

DoomsDaye

Daye Tripper

Austin Toro

Clever :tu

[BatManu20]

Still way better than Ayres...

At shooting, yes. Everything else: Defense, rebounding, shot blocking.. No.

[TheGoldStandard]

At shooting, yes. Everything else: Defense, rebounding, shot blocking.. No.

Lol Ayres and defense... Okay they might be even.

[TheGoldStandard]

Heard this was a Boylen idea

[Beaverfuzz]

Good trade, finally got rid of the imbalance of guards to big men.

[Dex]

Well....he's tall.

So there is that.

[wildcardX]

Was he brought in to take some of the hate off of Ayres?

[objective]

only a matter of time ...

"Daye is like a bigger, better Kawhi Leonard" - P Tark

:lol

just kidding

[Darius McCrary]

LOLOL DPG and HH with teh bads, per tha usual :rollin

[DMC]

only a matter of time ...

"Daye is like a bigger, better Kawhi Leonard" - P Tark

:lol

just kidding

A black AK47 tbh

[RD2191]

only a matter of time ...

"Daye is like a bigger, better Kawhi Leonard" - P Tark

:lol

just kidding
:lol

[jeebus]

Was he brought in to take some of the hate off of Ayres?
Daye won't see the light of day on the court.

Penderfag gets regular minutes.

So to answer your question...no. I'll stop hating him as much when he tears something important and ends his "basketball career".

[hater]

soft jumpshooter. But he's long and young so he'll be tried out to support Kawhi's assignments

why are ppl comparing him to ayres, dude is a toothpick. Ayres is a big body (who happens to suck)

Hater's best case scenario: Tayshaun Prince/Andrea Barganini
Hater's worst case scenario: Adam Morrison

[look_at_g_shred]

A black AK47 tbh
What? That nigga white [/blue]

[HarlemHeat37]

LOLOL DPG and HH with teh bads, per tha usual :rollin

???

[blkroadrunners]

only a matter of time ...

"Daye is like a bigger, better Kawhi Leonard" - P Tark

:lol

just kidding

:lmao

[Darius McCrary]

This was a great move.

Had we came into this season with no nando and a Daye on everyone's spammed out preseason "/ / / / // / / /" depth chart threads, we'd have been saying how stacked we were.

[Darius McCrary]

He's cheap and he has the measurables. If he doesn't play defense he wont play at all. He can sit his bust-ass on the bench and rot in SA for 1.5 seasons :lol

When I look at everything about Daye I see someone that Pop and company can destroy into submission and rebuild as a solid Spur role player.

[HarlemHeat37]

This was a great move.

Had we came into this season with no nando and a Daye on everyone's spammed out preseason "/ / / / // / / /" depth chart threads, we'd have been saying how stacked we were.

Oh, you were being serious:lol..

[Dex]

The Spurs turned a known depreciating asset (De Colo) into an unknown asset with possible upside (Daye). Don't see any problem with that.

[Aremid]

The Spurs turned a known depreciating asset (De Colo) into an unknown asset with possible upside (Daye). Don't see any problem with that.

Its fine if you don't care about getting the talent to compete at the championship level

[Darius McCrary]

Oh, you were being serious:lol..

Daye > Colo . tbh..

[HarlemHeat37]

Daye > Colo . tbh..

Maybe, it doesn't have anything to do with my previous posts, though..

[Dex]

Its fine if you don't care about getting the talent to compete at the championship level

Because other teams are obviously chomping at the bit to help the defending WC champs for Nando De Colo and Matt fucking Bonner.

[Chomag]

:lmao

[freetiago]

De Colo is a better SF then this guy tbh...
Black Matt Bonner who cant shoot 3s or play defense

[Chomag]

De Colo is a better SF then this guy tbh...
Black Matt Bonner who cant shoot 3s or play defense

And pretty much a Matt Bonner without the corporate knowledge, so ya pretty much useless. Actually this guy makes Bonner look MVP material.
Maybe that was the intent so Spurs can justify the next extension on Bonner's contract?:lol

[Brazil]

Bruno (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2449) just said he has $250K guaranteed... which one is right?

By principle Bruno is always right

[ElNono]

Chinook is a fine poster, no reason to doubt him even though Bruno was correct.

[Brazil]

Daye is horrible. Saw him play in auburn hills he is a black hole defender, he is tall can shoot from deep but very erratically. Garbage all around.

now spurs system should help him a bit that's what we can hope

[Brazil]

Chinook is a fine poster, no reason to doubt him even though Bruno was correct.

Chinook is top notch but Bruno is always right tbh...he is French

[ElNono]

Chinook is top notch but Bruno is always right tbh...he is French

talking about that... sorry about DeColo :cry

[Brazil]

talking about that... sorry about DeColo :cry

:cry I thought he would become the next Manu tbh

[ElNono]

:cry I thought he would become the next Manu tbh

:lol that was funny then, still funny now

[KaiRMD1]

This ol' sport better not be another Ayres

[Brazil]

:lol that was funny then, still funny now

:lol

I cannot wait the De Colo threads when he will have two or three good games in a row

[Rummpd]

Spurs, Raptors swap reserves




Spurs get: Austin Daye




Raptors get: Nando de Colo





--------------------------------------------------------------------------------





San Antonio Spurs: B









Daye has shown flashes of promise during his five-year NBA career, entirely tied to his 3-point percentage. When he makes at least 40 percent of his 3s, as he did in 2011-12 with the Detroit Pistons and last season after being traded to the Memphis Grizzlies in January, he can be a useful rotation player. When he's not hitting -- this season he was 0-of-8 beyond the arc in limited action -- he's unplayable. Given Daye's size (6-11) and shot-blocking prowess, the tools are there for him to develop into a 3-and-D player. It's easy to see why the Spurs were interested. Alternatively, if Daye can't turn into a consistent defender in San Antonio's scheme, it's probably never going to happen.
From Espn insider [Toronto got a B- for acquiring Nando]

[exstatic]

Money move. Even if you add this year's salary, plus the $250K he's due next year, it's still less than DeColo's salary for this year. He's also an asset that could be flipped during the draft or free agency.

[Budkin]

Daye-O!

[ChumpDumper]

Money move. Even if you add this year's salary, plus the $250K he's due next year, it's still less than DeColo's salary for this year. He's also an asset that could be flipped during the draft or free agency.I don't know if he can currently be called an asset.

[exstatic]

I don't know if he can currently be called an asset.

Pardonez moi. His scantily guaranteed CONTRACT could be an asset.

[wildbill2u]

As De Colo wasn't good enough to get off the bench most of the time, I don't see a big problem with trying a 6'11' SF. The worst that can happen is he takes Nando's place on the pine.

[exstatic]

As De Colo wasn't good enough to get off the bench most of the time, I don't see a big problem with trying a 6'11' SF. The worst that can happen is he takes Nando's place on the pine.

I'd say that was a darn near certainty.

[sexinthatsx]

:cry I thought he would become the next Manu tbh

Marco Belinelli has a better chance of becoming the next Manu than Nando De Colo tbh...

[Chinook]

Money move. Even if you add this year's salary, plus the $250K he's due next year, it's still less than DeColo's salary for this year. He's also an asset that could be flipped during the draft or free agency.

Pretty sure if you take proration into account, the Spurs pay money. Plus money next year is more valuable than money this year.

[exstatic]

Pretty sure if you take proration into account, the Spurs pay money. Plus money next year is more valuable than money this year.

You're right. With only .33 of the season left, the Spurs would be slight payers if they don't flip him during the draft or FA period, to the tune of ~$100K or so.

[Chinook]

You're right. With only .33 of the season left, the Spurs would be slight payers if they don't flip him during the draft or FA period, to the tune of ~$100K or so.

Yeah. It's a small price if they want to get a look at Daye, or if a pick we don't know about changed hands.

Bruno said the Spurs also got a TE, which would be worth the money by itself. But I'm skeptical of that. Because each team had 15 players on their roster, the Spurs had to treat the trade as a simultaneous deal, so they shouldn't have been able to use the min exception. Toronto should not have been able to use a TE for the same reason. Is there a flaw in this reasoning?

[exstatic]

Yeah. It's a small price if they want to get a look at Daye, or if a pick we don't know about changed hands.

Bruno said the Spurs also got a TE, which would be worth the money by itself. But I'm skeptical of that. Because each team had 15 players on their roster, the Spurs had to treat the trade as a simultaneous deal, so they shouldn't have been able to use the min exception. Toronto should not have been able to use a TE for the same reason. Is there a flaw in this reasoning?
I thought you got a TE if the salaries were imbalanced. DeColo is making 1.4M, and Daye 950K this season. Shouldn't that generate a 450K TE?

[Chinook]

I thought you got a TE if the salaries were imbalanced. DeColo is making 1.4M, and Daye 950K this season. Shouldn't that generate a 450K TE?

Maybe. He said one for $1.5 Million, though. He didn't mean just that small one. The only good thing about that TE is it would allow the team to claim a rookie cut off waivers. Better than nothing, I guess.

[exstatic]

Maybe. He said one for $1.5 Million, though. He didn't mean just that small one. The only good thing about that TE is it would allow the team to claim a rookie cut off waivers. Better than nothing, I guess.

I don't see that, but I can't rule it out, either, after the intricacies of that GS/LAL trade that allowed a player to be paired with another before the expiration of the waiting period because of a technicality in the CBA.

[Chinook]

I don't see that, but I can't rule it out, either, after the intricacies of that GS/LAL trade that allowed a player to be paired with another before the expiration of the waiting period because of a technicality in the CBA.

That happened because GS had an open roster spot and could use the min exception. So they got a $2.7 Million TE instead of a $2 Million one. Had the Spurs waived Brown, they could have gotten then full TE.

[Brutalis]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3976/austin-daye

6-11 200lbs

um

wat

[Libri]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3976/austin-daye

6-11 200lbs

um

wat

yup, he's a twig

[ElNono]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3976/austin-daye

6-11 200lbs

um

wat

thats what Taco Cabana is for

[Calispursfan11]

This guy looks eerily like a very poor man's tayshaun prince at least physique-wise and coordination or lack thereof-wise. Mediocre at best but hopefully something slightly better.

[Raven]

soft jumpshooter. But he's long and young so he'll be tried out to support Kawhi's assignments

why are ppl comparing him to ayres, dude is a toothpick. Ayres is a big body (who happens to suck)

Hater's best case scenario: Tayshaun Prince/Andrea Barganini
Hater's worst case scenario: Adam Morrison

how the fuck can you put bargnani and prince in the same comparison

[Sean88888]

Y'all shit on his defense but his Defensive Win Share is solid throughout his career. We might very well have acquired him to guard Durant.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dayeau01.html

[Sean88888]

The Spurs turned a known depreciating asset (De Colo) into an unknown asset with possible upside (Daye). Don't see any problem with that.


That's how they see it on the Toronto side as well

[Raven]

Y'all shit on his defense but his Defensive Win Share is solid throughout his career. We might very well have acquired him to guard Durant.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dayeau01.html

his defensive rating is absolutely awful, among the worst in the league both this year and for his career. I think he has room to improve and if there is any place that can make him look good, it's here.

[Sean88888]

his defensive rating is absolutely awful, among the worst in the league both this year and for his career. I think he has room to improve and if there is any place that can make him look good, it's here.

Defensive rating is really heavily dependent on team defensive performance. On a dysfunctional Raptors team (for most of the year) his defensive rating will inevitably drop. On the Memphis team last season his defensive rating is 99, which is top 15 in the league. So maybe he's actually sneaky good on defense and our FO sees that.

I want to believe.

[Capt Bringdown]

Another soft jump-shooter.

[TJastal]

Another soft jump-shooter.

Pretty much. Spurs could have used a guy with more of an edge.

[Bruno]

Bruno said the Spurs also got a TE, which would be worth the money by itself. But I'm skeptical of that. Because each team had 15 players on their roster, the Spurs had to treat the trade as a simultaneous deal, so they shouldn't have been able to use the min exception. Toronto should not have been able to use a TE for the same reason. Is there a flaw in this reasoning?

This trade is simultaneous for Raptors and non-simultaneous for Spurs:
- Raptors trade away Daye for a player that fit the 150% + $100k rule.
- Spurs get Daye with the min salary exception and get a $1,463,00 trade exception for De Colo salary.

[Bruno]

Regarding Daye, I'm really very low on him. Everything I've seen/read suggest that he is an atrocious defender.

[Brazil]

Marco Belinelli has a better chance of becoming the next Manu than Nando De Colo tbh...

no tbh

0 = 0

[ABC]

This trade is simultaneous for Raptors and non-simultaneous for Spurs:
- Raptors trade away Daye for a player that fit the 150% + $100k rule.
- Spurs get Daye with the min salary exception and get a $1,463,00 trade exception for De Colo salary.

OK. So the team trading a minimum salary player (Toronto) does count the salary as outgoing, but the team receiving the minimum salary player (San Antonio) does not count the minimum salary as incoming salary. So, salary-wise, it's like the Spurs traded De Colo for nothing (basketball-wise too, perhaps). My question is why is the CBA is structured so that minimum salary contracts are counted for the team trading the player?

[exstatic]

This trade is simultaneous for Raptors and non-simultaneous for Spurs:
- Raptors trade away Daye for a player that fit the 150% + $100k rule.
- Spurs get Daye with the min salary exception and get a $1,463,00 trade exception for De Colo salary.

Thank you, Bruno.

[bigfan]

Its a wash but we knew what we had with de colo, this guy might/might be an improvement.

[Dex]

That's how they see it on the Toronto side as well

The chance is there for both teams. Neither could end up actually seeing it happen.

[bklynspursfan]

Put this in another thread but figured i'd put here too lol

http://i58.tinypic.com/2nspyd.jpg

[Bruno]

My question is why is the CBA is structured so that minimum salary contracts are counted for the team trading the player?

I would say it's logical that min contracts count for the outgoing team since it's the case for all other kind of contracts.

What isn't as logical is min contracts not counting for the receiving team. I guess the spirit behind that rule is, since teams are free to sign min players even when their MLE or cap space is gone, they should also be able to easily trade for them.

[ABC]

I would say it's logical that min contracts count for the outgoing team since it's the case for all other kind of contracts.

What isn't as logical is min contracts not counting for the receiving team. I guess the spirit behind that rule is, since teams are free to sign min players even when their MLE or cap space is gone, they should also be able to easily trade for them.

That's what I was thinking. It just seems strange that a salary can count for one team in a trade, but not for the other. Thanks for the info. I had no idea. The exception could be a useful asset for the Spurs, although as we've seen, they don't always perceive assets in the way fans do. Didn't they get an exception in the Beno trade that they never used?

[Chinook]

This trade is simultaneous for Raptors and non-simultaneous for Spurs:
- Raptors trade away Daye for a player that fit the 150% + $100k rule.
- Spurs get Daye with the min salary exception and get a $1,463,00 trade exception for De Colo salary.

Thanks.

I think I understand. The Spurs can choose how to define the trade to best suit their needs. I was hung up on Coon being ambiguous about using the min exception for one-for-one deals. But I guess the deal isn't one-for-one if it's non-simultaneous. Did you get confirmation somewhere that the TE was generated?

Either way, a full De Colo TE would be $1.563 Million according to Coon an extra $100k gets added automatically. That's definitely worth the extra cash.

[NickiRasgo]

The Next Towel Waver! :toast

[Chomag]

Regarding Daye Everything I've seen/read suggest that he is an atrocious defender.

So what your really saying is he will fit right in.

[sexinthatsx]

no tbh

0 = 0

tbh Marco has some passes that were Manu-esque than Nando ever will be tbh tbh

[Brazil]

tbh Marco has some passes that were Manu-esque than Nando ever will be tbh tbh

nando has some manu esque passes too anyway its a moot point none of them have even a remote chance to get close to manu... so 0 = 0

[slick'81]

At least the kid can shoot

[ElNono]

phenomenal debut... #playdaye

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Pretty impressive last night! :tu

His turnaround jumper clanging off the front of the rim was well-timed and executed. Nice defensive play by someone on the Spurs committing the lane violation to deny him his first point as a Spur as well.

Good stuff!!

[ElNono]

Pretty impressive last night! :tu

His turnaround jumper clanging off the front of the rim was well-timed and executed. Nice defensive play by someone on the Spurs committing the lane violation to deny him his first point as a Spur as well.

Good stuff!!

And that was just his 1st game! :wow

[Budkin]

This kid has MVP written all over him. He should let Ayres show him how it's done!

[Prime Time]

I wish I could miss shots like Austin Daye :depressed

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Daye's physique is inexcusable for a professional athlete. He is almost 7ft but only 200 lbs and his tone still looks soft. His shoulders and arms are completely undeveloped. It's like he doesn't lift at all.

[celldweller]

Daye's physique is inexcusable for a professional athlete. He is almost 7ft but only 200 lbs and his tone still looks soft. His shoulders and arms are completely undeveloped. It's like he doesn't lift at all.

Yea your right. He looks like Kevin Durant.

[timtonymanu]

Daye is a bigger better Bruce Bowen. Been saying this for a while. When Kawhi goes back to being soft offensively, I would play him down the stretch. Great 3 point shooter.

[TheGoldStandard]

Watch out Kawhi/Diaw/Tiago... Austin Daye is here and he doesn't play.

[ElNono]

He's like a talent-less Kevin McHale... FO keep knocking it out of the park :tu

[Chinook]

Kid's gonna be great as soon as the basket figures out how to move under his shots.

[ElNono]

Kid's gonna be great as soon as the basket figures out how to move under his shots.

:lol

[Hoops Czar]

Daye is a bigger better Bruce Bowen. Been saying this for a while. When Kawhi goes back to being soft offensively, I would play him down the stretch. Great 3 point shooter. You should use blue font. Somebody might actually mistake you for being serious.

[r0drig0lac]

Kid's gonna be great as soon as the basket figures out how to move under his shots.9.8/10

[capek]

Sign me the fuck up!! :lol

[spurraider21]

:worthy:

[spurraider21]

Daye with the assist to Bonner

[Spur Bank]

He only made those three pointers because the plus minus king was on the floor. :downspin:

[Chinook]

Kid's gonna be great as soon as the basket figures out how to move under his shots.

Looks like the basket reads SpursTalk.

[Mugen]

:wow

[SupremeGuy]

inb4someonemakesaplaydayeaccount, tbh lol

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:wow 6pts, 1reb and 1 ast in just 45 secs of play.

[Libri]

checking in

[jkid12456]

SHIETTT, PROPS TO PATTY FOR ASSISTING DAYE

[spurraider21]

Ray Allen: 6 points
Austin Daye: 6 points

we have our answer to 6

[HI-FI]

some good shit tonight....:hat

[DapDaGenius]

Daye was feeling the fuckin' hype.

[capek]

:wow 6pts, 1reb and 1 ast in just 45 secs of play.

Just think of the per 36 numbers this guy could put up!!! :wow

[loveforthegame]

Would love to see him get some minutes. Especially if they're taken from Ayers.

[ElNono]

Let us pray...

[Mugen]

:wow 6pts, 1reb and 1 ast in just 45 secs of play.

Daye's per 36: 288pts, 48 rebs, 48ast :wow:wow:wow

[hater]

This nigga busted a nut all ove the heat.

His shot is smooth as butter. Best shooting form in the team. PERIOD

[jag]

Free Austin Daye

[Two10Whitey]

The future. :lobt2:

[SupremeGuy]

Daye's per 36: 288pts, 48 rebs, 48ast :wow:wow:wow:worthy:

[TheGoldStandard]

That MFer was recruiting tonight..

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Just think of the per 36 numbers this guy could put up!!! :wow


Daye's per 36: 288pts, 48 rebs, 48ast :wow:wow:wow
#PlayDaye #UnleashDaye

[Robz4000]

The new centerpiece tbh

[Austin_Toros]

Backup SF problem is now completely solved.

[TheGoldStandard]

Patty to Daye in that pick n pop situation..

[AFBlue]

Bonner replacement. Can I get a witness?!?!?

[Trill Clinton]

*puts money in collection plate*


*opens bible to austin 3:16*


http://media.tumblr.com/a148f490484a655a191263cf480e3b85/tumblr_inline_muh7zutxQz1rqs8ry.gif

[Aus10]

checking in

[TheGoldStandard]

Ayres walks in and bursts into flames...

[TheRemix]

http://i.imgur.com/3NQVi.gifIn

[Mugen]

Pop needs to pull a Frank Costello from Departed on Jeffy's sprained hand tbh.

[TheGoldStandard]

And in the 11th hour he came.. and he saw.. and it was good.. and the man from down under put upon him the rock and said testify.... and he saw and he did and it was good.. and upon that arcing rainbow he found the promise land not once but twice and it was good and all rejoiced at the goods. The bearded man with hands of stone on the bench knew his days were numbered and the elder who held vigil over them all saw and he knew and it was good..

[Raven]

i'll keep my expectations in check, but i want to believe tbh. He has a year and a few months to prove his worth and improve his defensive game to the point of not being a liabilty anymore. It's all on him, just like it was on Green.

[Texas_Ranger]

already 100X better than Errors.

[NickiRasgo]

If he could play a Mike Miller's role, not bad for a backup SF but still raw in terms of experience.

[CGD]

Boy can shoot. He's got the length and it appears quickness to be a good defender with time. Hope the spurs hold on to him to get a better look next year.

[KawhiLeonard]

Buford does it again finds another gem

[timtonymanu]

Daye is a bigger better Bruce Bowen. Been saying this for a while. When Kawhi goes back to being soft offensively, I would play him down the stretch. Great 3 point shooter.

[Raven]

Boy can shoot. He's got the length and it appears quickness to be a good defender with time. Hope the spurs hold on to him to get a better look next year.

the thing about his quickness, is that you have to compare him with sf not pf. There is no way he can be a pf with his weight.

[Sean Cagney]

I was like who the hell is that dude? That shot was nice, he has a smooth release. Now please BENCH BONNER and ERRORS.

[CGD]

^ that's true. I was thinking he could be mobile enough to guard many back up SF but too soon to tell. It'd be neat to see him at the 3 and Leonard at the 4 for some stretches where the spurs go small ball.

Side note, Interestingly the kid has the same wingspan as Leonard at around 7'3"

[Chinook]

It's weird, because some of us are being sarcastic in this thread, but some are being serious.

Real-talk: He'll probably get a chance to compete with Jean-Charles/Bertans for the backup SF job next year.

[Mugen]

5 of the Spurs next 7 games should be blowouts tbh. Here's hoping he gets garbage mins to showcase his shooting.

[Raven]

It's weird, because some of us are being sarcastic in this thread, but some are being serious.

Real-talk: He'll probably get a chance to compete with Jean-Charles/Bertans for the backup SF job next year.

i'm mostly being serious, but that's because i don't believe in talent at all. I believe in measurables, "intangibles" and training. Meaning if someone has the size and physical attributes to do something, all he has to do is work on it as much as it takes. Daye has the size and soft hands to make things work, if he does that or not it's entirely on him. Right now he's of course utter shit, and i really have no intention of asking him to get playing time (let alone in the play offs), i just think there is material to work on.

[KawhiLeonard]

Thread has gone full aspie

[CGD]

i'm mostly being serious, but that's because i don't believe in talent at all. I believe in measurables, "intangibles" and training. Meaning if someone has the size and physical attributes to do something, all he has to do is work on it as much as it takes. Daye has the size and soft hands to make things work, if he does that or not it's entirely on him. Right now he's of course utter shit, and i really have no intention of asking him to get playing time (let alone in the play offs), i just think there is material to work on.

and I agree. The tools are interesting. He's a combo players at the right positions, unlike what the spurs gave up who was a 1/2 combo which is perhaps the worst type of combo player to be in this league.

[superjames1992]

He's a Per Minute All-Star, tbh. Maybe Per Minute League MVP?

[wildbill2u]

Well, a lot of folks thought Nando was gonna be great--the next Manu--when he first got here. It was nice to see the young fella wasn't afraid to shoot in his debut, but one robin doesn't make a Spring nor 45 seconds a career. With more exposure we'll come to know his strengths and weaknesses.

I hope he turns out to be the tall, good shooting SF with defensive quicness we've been looking for a long time.

[moisaenz]

Well, a lot of folks thought Nando was gonna be great--the next Manu--when he first got here. It was nice to see the young fella wasn't afraid to shoot in his debut, but one robin doesn't make a Spring nor 45 seconds a career. With more exposure we'll come to know his strengths and weaknesses.

I hope he turns out to be the tall, good shooting SF with defensive quicness we've been looking for a long time.


He can shoot, but can he defend? that is all it really matters, can this guy take some of ky's minutes and not have a mismatch at SF?

[Spur|n|Austin]

Thread has gone full aspie

Never go full aspie...

what's aspie?

[playbonner15]

If he can use those long arms to defend/block/steal then prepare again fro a deep run

[SpursFan86]

I can't tell if y'all are being serious or sarcastic. Surely people aren't dumb enough to use a 2 minute sample size as the sole basis for their judgment on a player.

I'm all down for giving him Ayres/Bonners minutes...but let's slow down with acting like this dude is about to crack the rotation and play a noticeable role in this upcoming postseason. The chances of that happening are slim to none.

[KawhiLeonard]

Never go full aspie...

what's aspie?
Assburgers

[Obstructed_View]

Assburgers

They cook up really nice.

[jag]

It's weird, because some of us are being sarcastic in this thread, but some are being serious.

Real-talk: He'll probably get a chance to compete with Jean-Charles/Bertans for the backup SF job next year.

Yeah, it's hard to figure out who's being serious.

Real-talk: he's got the potential to be a Kevin Garnett type of player. Except he's more athletic than KG was at his age, which allows him to be so versatile. We haven't had a SF this well-rounded since Sean Elliott. I think Daye is the prototype for what future NBA players will look like. Life after Duncan doesn't look so bad now with Joseph, Baynes and Daye developing the way they are. I'm excited for the future.

[MeloHype]

per 36: 288pts, 48 rebs, 48ast

[Seventyniner]

The best part is all the nickname possibilities. I haven't seen this one yet: Austin "All" Daye.

[Drom John]

Spurs WS/48
.603 Daye
.173 Mills
.169 Ginobili
.168 Leonard
.162 Splitter

[Seventyniner]

Spurs WS/48
.603 Daye
.173 Mills
.169 Ginobili
.168 Leonard
.162 Splitter

Daye-um!

[Chinook]

Yeah, it's hard to figure out who's being serious.

Real-talk: he's got the potential to be a Kevin Garnett type of player. Except he's more athletic than KG was at his age, which allows him to be so versatile. We haven't had a SF this well-rounded since Sean Elliott. I think Daye is the prototype for what future NBA players will look like. Life after Duncan doesn't look so bad now with Joseph, Baynes and Daye developing the way they are. I'm excited for the future.

I'd disagree on the KG comparison. Judging by his height, shooting form and skin tone, I'd say he's either a more-athletic Dirk or a smarter Durant. Hell, maybe both.

[FutureMan]

I wonder if he is going to get alot of minutes against Orlando. They could give him 15 if they wanted to. He seems like he could have the same contributions as bonner. He's so tall and has the potential to shoot the three very well and since he's so tall he could pull a big away and make the lane open for someone.

[monkeypunk]

Is the blue font broken on this thread or what?

Oh my goodness...

[The Whopper]

The last time I ran into him he was twenty feet tall and covered in jewel-encrusted platinum.

[Strategic]

Is the blue font broken on this thread or what?

Oh my goodness...
The ST site isn't working very well from my laptop for several months.

[mienhmario]

Anyone have clips of his 6 points against Miami?

[poeticism707]

5 of the Spurs next 7 games should be blowouts tbh. Here's hoping he gets garbage mins to showcase his shooting.


Agreed. Blow these clowns out, get the Time of Daye.

[exstatic]

He's a Per Minute All-Star, tbh. Maybe Per Minute League MVP?

72 points per 36, and a PER of 83.5

[weeks]

raven is completely wrong.
some people have better reaction times, more athleticism, better proprioreception, etc.
talent is real and no amount of hard work will make you 'talented' at something.

[exstatic]

raven is completely wrong.
some people have better reaction times, more athleticism, better proprioreception, etc.
talent is real and no amount of hard work will make you 'talented' at something.

True, but by the time you get to the NBA everyone is talented to one degree or another, and not working hard can get you bounced out of the league, right quick. The right of way of the NBA highway is littered with talented bust outs.

Talent and work are the two dimensions on the NBA career graph. If you're high on both (MJ, Kobe, Duncan) you're likely headed for the HOF. You can be talented and work minimally (JR Smith) and get by, but you'll never be great. You can be lightly talented (Bonner), but work your ass off and carve out a career, too. If you're low in both, you have no chance.

[mudyez]

True, but by the time you get to the NBA everyone is talented to one degree or another, and not working hard can get you bounced out of the league, right quick. The right of way of the NBA highway is littered with talented bust outs.

Talent and work are the two dimensions on the NBA career graph. If you're high on both (MJ, Kobe, Duncan) you're likely headed for the HOF. You can be talented and work minimally (JR Smith) and get by, but you'll never be great. You can be lightly talented (Bonner), but work your ass off and carve out a career, too. If you're low in both, you have no chance.

Aside from Reality TV, thats just the way life works!

[ceperez]

Agreed. Blow these clowns out, get the Time of Daye.

De Colo was a liability in he couldn't hit the 3 ball reliably. He also could not go to the rim strong.

Daye is the opposite, he can hit the 3 reliably when open. If that is all he works with Chip till the end of the season, then I can see him making a couple of critical plays in post season.

Here's on 'tell' that he's going to be played, Daye has actually been in the court a couple of times already. Malcolm Thomas never saw court time.

By comparison, Daye is a much better pickup than Malcolm Thomas. He's taller, better handles and more accurate shooting. All that is holding back Daye is likely his work ethic. Hope Pop and the Spurs can fix that.

[ceperez]

i'll keep my expectations in check, but i want to believe tbh. He has a year and a few months to prove his worth and improve his defensive game to the point of not being a liabilty anymore. It's all on him, just like it was on Green.

Duncan can teach him how to play great defense without having to jump.

[ceperez]

And in the 11th hour he came.. and he saw.. and it was good.. and the man from down under put upon him the rock and said testify.... and he saw and he did and it was good.. and upon that arcing rainbow he found the promise land not once but twice and it was good and all rejoiced at the goods. The bearded man with hands of stone on the bench knew his days were numbered and the elder who held vigil over them all saw and he knew and it was good..

+1

[Mel_13]

De Colo was a liability in he couldn't hit the 3 ball reliably. He also could not go to the rim strong.

Daye is the opposite, he can hit the 3 reliably when open. If that is all he works with Chip till the end of the season, then I can see him making a couple of critical plays in post season.

Here's on 'tell' that he's going to be played, Daye has actually been in the court a couple of times already. Malcolm Thomas never saw court time.

By comparison, Daye is a much better pickup than Malcolm Thomas. He's taller, better handles and more accurate shooting. All that is holding back Daye is likely his work ethic. Hope Pop and the Spurs can fix that.

He's only been active in games where one of the other 13 are injured. He's played a total of 3 minutes of garbage time. He won't see a single minute of meaningful time in the playoffs.

Good luck to him showing enough to avoid being waived before June 30th and working with the staff over the summer to salvage his NBA career.

[jeebus]

He's only been active in games where one of the other 13 are injured. He's played a total of 3 minutes of garbage time.
Yes but we must over analyze those 3 minutes and blow our load because he made a couple of open shots against some 3rd stringers. It is the spurstalk way.

[Trainwreck2100]

Yes but we must over analyze those 3 minutes and blow our load because he made a couple of open shots against some 3rd stringers. It is the spurstalk way.

Well it helps that he isn't the false prophet

[littlecoyotecoin]

Yes but we must over analyze those 3 minutes and blow our load because he made a couple of open shots against some 3rd stringers. It is the spurstalk way.

There's always the subset that confuses talking about Daye with
"over-analyzing" or some other similar faux pas...failing to
understand the logical fallacy of the excluded middle...


There is plenty of discussion about everything else, and actually
very little about Daye. Dead threads, and half of the comments
about him are reminiscent of yours; a veiled (or not so much) sar-
casm toward anyone mentioning him or his minor achievements
during his very limited play.


Mills evolved from the bench, Green evolved from the bench,
it's a legitimate topic to discuss whether or not our new bench
player can displace Ayers, at a minimum, or maybe even have
some more upside.

Over-analyzed? How about the jersey threads. Talk about irrelevant
minutia, for the most part, but so what, if it entertains?

[littlecoyotecoin]

Ace3g, frequently with the insider photos, seemed to imply that he may have been getting some special attention by the coaching staff one game-day. Others have loaned some support to the notion that he will not be a throw-away, as well. His tiny sample size hasn't done anything to hurt him, for sure.

Regardless, you may be right. As a matter of fact it seems fairly likely that most end of the bench players are in greater jeopardy of not being retained? That is the default condition, but assuming it to be true and moving on would have us miss Danny Greens, etc. Lots of vitriol spouted toward the guy on the way up, and while still not a star, more that he was ever anticipated.

[littlecoyotecoin]

He's only been active in games where one of the other 13 are injured. He's played a total of 3 minutes of garbage time. He won't see a single minute of meaningful time in the playoffs.

Good luck to him showing enough to avoid being waived before June 30th and working with the staff over the summer to salvage his NBA career.

My apologies, forgot to include the quote.

[Mnky]

There's always the subset that confuses talking about Daye with
"over-analyzing" or some other similar faux pas...failing to
understand the logical fallacy of the excluded middle...


There is plenty of discussion about everything else, and actually
very little about Daye. Dead threads, and half of the comments
about him are reminiscent of yours; a veiled (or not so much) sar-
casm toward anyone mentioning him or his minor achievements
during his very limited play.


Mills evolved from the bench, Green evolved from the bench,
it's a legitimate topic to discuss whether or not our new bench
player can displace Ayers, at a minimum, or maybe even have
some more upside.

Over-analyzed? How about the jersey threads. Talk about irrelevant
minutia, for the most part, but so what, if it entertains?


:toast

[ElNono]

There's always the subset that confuses talking about Daye with
"over-analyzing" or some other similar faux pas...failing to
understand the logical fallacy of the excluded middle...


There is plenty of discussion about everything else, and actually
very little about Daye. Dead threads, and half of the comments
about him are reminiscent of yours; a veiled (or not so much) sar-
casm toward anyone mentioning him or his minor achievements
during his very limited play.


Mills evolved from the bench, Green evolved from the bench,
it's a legitimate topic to discuss whether or not our new bench
player can displace Ayers, at a minimum, or maybe even have
some more upside.

Over-analyzed? How about the jersey threads. Talk about irrelevant
minutia, for the most part, but so what, if it entertains?

I think Mel's post was addressing the comment about him playing any minutes in the playoffs. Not going to happen unless 3-4 other Spurs are hurt/in foul trouble, period.

But besides that, both Mills and Green spent a lot of time to earn the trust and respect of the organization and coaches (Mills being a proud towel-waver that arrived with Brett Brown's blessing, Green with multiple stints in the Toros after actually being cut by the Cavs, Spurs). You get the feeling that even Ayers is there because of him being the pet project of Boylen in Indiana.

Daye basically is a Spur because the FO wanted to do De-Colo a solid.

Now, will Daye ever get a rotation role with the Spurs? It's way too early to know, and most importantly, you get the feeling it will have a lot to do with his attitude when things don't go his way (like when they didn't go their way for Mills or Green). I think it's fine to talk about Daye, and this thread is perfectly fine to do so. I just don't know that the Spurs have made any indication he's in their long-term plans, much less in the immediate (read playoffs) plans.

[bluebellmaniac]

I'd disagree on the KG comparison. Judging by his height, shooting form and skin tone, I'd say he's either a more-athletic Dirk or a smarter Durant. Hell, maybe both.

For me, this halfway makes up for trading away Paul George and LeBron's draft rights.

I expect Daye to get the 6th man award next year and possibly be a Finals MVP the year after. He's gonna have to pace himself though.

[Gummi Clutch]

I like Daye's game. He could provide a huge boost.

[ceperez]

Looks like Austin Daye's Dad ( former NBA player) is a Spurs fan.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/140304_austin_daye_next_generation

“For me this is phenomenal,” Darren says. “The Spurs have been my favorite team for a long time. And Gregg Popovich has been the best coach in basketball since he started with David Robinson. I’m really excited. With his superior coaching ability, he can help my son and turn his career around.”


Well... let's hope Austin Daye doesn't dissappoint his Dad!

[ceperez]

Daye seems to know what's expected of him in the Spurs:

http://www.freep.com/article/20140228/SPORTS03/302280020/austin-daye-detroit-pistons-spurs

“Look at what happened to Danny,” Daye said. “He wasn’t playing at all in Cleveland, never sniffed the floor when he was there.

“He came into this system and the system really helps players like that. It helps players with perhaps a special skill-set or maybe even one skill-set.”

[313]

“He came into this system and the system really helps players like that. It helps players with perhaps a special skill-set or maybe even one skill-set.”
:lmao taking shots at Danny

[r0drig0lac]

Daye seems to know what's expected of him in the Spurs:

http://www.freep.com/article/20140228/SPORTS03/302280020/austin-daye-detroit-pistons-spurs

“Look at what happened to Danny,” Daye said. “He wasn’t playing at all in Cleveland, never sniffed the floor when he was there.

“He came into this system and the system really helps players like that. It helps players with perhaps a special skill-set or maybe even one skill-set.”http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/oh-snap.gif

[boutons_deux]

:lmao taking shots at Danny

no, probably saying his own single skill is shooting

[littlecoyotecoin]

Looks like Austin Daye's Dad ( former NBA player) is a Spurs fan.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/140304_austin_daye_next_generation

“For me this is phenomenal,” Darren says. “The Spurs have been my favorite team for a long time. And Gregg Popovich has been the best coach in basketball since he started with David Robinson. I’m really excited. With his superior coaching ability, he can help my son and turn his career around.”


Well... let's hope Austin Daye doesn't dissappoint his Dad!

Yeah, I read that, too. Interesting read, about his dad. I have to see that as another + for Daye. I am on my phone, so not fun to look for it, but there was also a pretty good read...an interview with Charlie Villanueva, about Daye. CV had much praise for his boy Daye. They were teammates in Detroit. If someone can find that article it would be a good repost here. If no one does I will try to find it when at a desk.

And lulz re: the shot at Green. Not what he meant I'm sure, but maybe a little accidental humor.

Before Daye got here, I expected him no have no handles...already a better ball-handler than expected, since I was led to expect Steve Novak or Matty.

[littlecoyotecoin]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/02/27/ex-teammates-daye-will-fit-in-if-given-the-chance/

[007nites]

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/07/03/070313-stefen-curry-launch-2.jpg

[Chinook]

Lol at Daye comparing himself to Green (even Cavs Green). Danny's per-36 numbers have been pretty consistent his whole career. Pop just realized he had a valuable skill set that needed a slight attitude adjustment. Daye hasn't been nearly as successful despite getting more opportunity. Pop doesn't turn crap into gold; he finds people with the skills he wants and plugs them in. Austin's never been as good as Green. He has a lot of work to do to even be with the team for training camp.

[Chinook]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/02/27/ex-teammates-daye-will-fit-in-if-given-the-chance/

So much hilarity in that article. Daye screaming for joy in his pillow. Duncan talking about Daye's physique and repeating how "long" Daye is. Drummond acting like Villanueva is a good player. Great stuff.

[hater]

Daye seems to know what's expected of him in the Spurs:

http://www.freep.com/article/20140228/SPORTS03/302280020/austin-daye-detroit-pistons-spurs

“Look at what happened to Danny,” Daye said. “He wasn’t playing at all in Cleveland, never sniffed the floor when he was there.

“He came into this system and the system really helps players like that. It helps players with perhaps a special skill-set or maybe even one skill-set.”

My nigga Daye been reading my posts. I just don't understand how he stopped short of One-Trick-Pony IMO :lol

[ceperez]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/02/27/ex-teammates-daye-will-fit-in-if-given-the-chance/

Villanueva talked about Daye’s skill level and “high basketball IQ,”

[Embedded]

And in the 11th hour he came.. and he saw.. and it was good.. and the man from down under put upon him the rock and said testify.... and he saw and he did and it was good.. and upon that arcing rainbow he found the promise land not once but twice and it was good and all rejoiced at the goods. The bearded man with hands of stone on the bench knew his days were numbered and the elder who held vigil over them all saw and he knew and it was good..
Hahahahahahahaahahahahaha I hate you, man, but that was funny as hell.

[ceperez]

Looks like Austin Daye's Dad ( former NBA player) is a Spurs fan.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/140304_austin_daye_next_generation

“For me this is phenomenal,” Darren says. “The Spurs have been my favorite team for a long time. And Gregg Popovich has been the best coach in basketball since he started with David Robinson. I’m really excited. With his superior coaching ability, he can help my son and turn his career around.”


Well... let's hope Austin Daye doesn't dissappoint his Dad!

Here's the other impressive quote:

Then Austin began to grow. He hit 6-4 as a sophomore and ran the point. Over the summer, he grew five inches. He kept running the point as a 6-11 senior because he was the best at bringing the ball up the court. Now he was special, a big with handles who could run the floor, score inside and knock down threes. He averaged 30.9 points, 12.4 rebounds and 5.4 blocks.

[tholdren]

For me, this halfway makes up for trading away Paul George and LeBron's draft rights.

I expect Daye to get the 6th man award next year and possibly be a Finals MVP the year after. He's gonna have to pace himself though.
who is hot avatar?

[tholdren]

Here's the other impressive quote:

Then Austin began to grow. He hit 6-4 as a sophomore and ran the point. Over the summer, he grew five inches. He kept running the point as a 6-11 senior because he was the best at bringing the ball up the court. Now he was special, a big with handles who could run the floor, score inside and knock down threes. He averaged 30.9 points, 12.4 rebounds and 5.4 blocks.

lmfdo blks higher than assists... shitty pg.... tony's backup ?

[Russ]

He looks like he could be a Tayshaun Prince type.

I wouldn't write him off just yet.

[Seventyniner]

Villanueva talked about Daye’s skill level and “high basketball IQ,”

Some people think that anyone smarter than them must be a genius.

[look_at_g_shred]

who is hot avatar?
lol +1

[dallasmaverickslose]

Daye makes Anthony Davis look obese...

[bluebellmaniac]

who is hot avatar?
She's some hottie bartender from someplace. I picked up the pic from somewhere.

[TheGoldStandard]

Looks like Austin Daye's Dad ( former NBA player) is a Spurs fan.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/140304_austin_daye_next_generation

“For me this is phenomenal,” Darren says. “The Spurs have been my favorite team for a long time. And Gregg Popovich has been the best coach in basketball since he started with David Robinson. I’m really excited. With his superior coaching ability, he can help my son and turn his career around.”


Well... let's hope Austin Daye doesn't dissappoint his Dad!


Ayres: His dad loves him??? Wow, he's even better at that than me

[TheGoldStandard]

Hahahahahahahaahahahahaha I hate you, man, but that was funny as hell.

why the hate?

[littlecoyotecoin]

Ayres: His dad loves him??? Wow, he's even better at that than me

After I read that article, I was counting the days, even hours, until I heard the low-hanging fruit jokes about Ayers' dad. That was as inevitable as the seasons or tides. I am not disappoint.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Daye makes Anthony Davis look obese...

As is often the case, some people get fixated on one or two aspects of a player at the expense of the entirety. It reminds me of the pitcher in Moneyball with the odd delivery; Chad Bradford. That's how they traded for value. It is very difficult to get anything of value if everyone believes it is valuable, without paying through the nose for it. They capitalized on misperception, and poor weighting (in valuation). While Daye's weight (in pounds) is an outlier, it is not something that automatically precludes him from being successful. There have been others, already mentioned, with NBA careers, with similar physiques. Is his weight a negative? Yes. But, in superficial valuations done on these boards, it seems too often to be weighted far heavier than it should be. Sarcastic remarks, misrepresentation of his actual weight (reportedly 216 not 200), downplaying the fact that others with similar physiques are just "better" ball-players so that doesn't count...etc.

If a mob of chickens gets its way, it will also peck to death the best layer, just because it looks different. They are oblivious to actual value. Bonner is another example of this effect. One of the only classes of people still politically correct to peck - Gingers. He's a ginger, therefore he is weak and valueless. His actual value has actually, while not great, always been more than what the mob valued him.

"Peter Brand: Billy, this is Chad Bradford. He's a relieve pitcher. He's one of the most undervalued players in baseball. His defect is that he throws funny. Nobody in the big leagues chases that, because he looks funny. He's got to be not just the best pitcher in our ball game, but one of the most effective relieve pitchers in all of baseball."

Of course, those that suffer from excludedmiddleitis, will believe that this is some claim that Daye is going to be the best bench player in all of basketball.

[littlecoyotecoin]

"Mills being a proud towel-waver that arrived with Brett Brown's blessing..."

I remember a lot of people making fun of Mills at the time, as well. A sports radio guy making a "bit" of his towel waving, etc. But, in the end, it's a plus.

"Daye basically is a Spur because the FO wanted to do De-Colo a solid."

This is a half-truth.

This notion gets a lot of run. It was public knowledge that De Colo was lobbying to be traded and the Spurs were attempting to accommodate him. It also seemed that they were "working" on accommodating him. It doesn't seem that they just traded for the first option they had (I could be wrong, maybe Daye was their one and only option, but I seem to remember reading allusions to them not finding the right solution, yet...etc). Everyone that says they just got Daye by accident while getting rid of De Colo seems to be implying that they didn't look for the best value that they could get in return. I just don't believe that's how they would operate. With a salary cap, roster limitations, etc, you just have to squeeze as much out of everything you can. And, I am sure that the Spurs did just that.

They didn't trade him for a bucket of wings. Although there is a joke in there somewhere relating chicken wings and the size of Daye's arms. I will leave that to the peanut gallery.

And, finally, saying that he isn't going to get any minutes in the playoffs isn't exactly a step out on a limb, there. I really don't see any claims from people that think Daye is going to get any significant minutes in the playoffs, so coming out with a statement like that is a straw man argument.

That being said, he is a human being, and anything is possible. People have done more difficult things with longer odds. I wouldn't bet on him getting significant playoff minutes, as benches shorten, they don't lengthen in the playoffs. But, more power to him. He is at a position we need depth at. They didn't trade De Colo for another point guard or shooting guard.

[weeks]

matt don't you have to play in a few hours?? get off the board!

[littlecoyotecoin]

Lol at Daye comparing himself to Green (even Cavs Green). Danny's per-36 numbers have been pretty consistent his whole career. Pop just realized he had a valuable skill set that needed a slight attitude adjustment. Daye hasn't been nearly as successful despite getting more opportunity. Pop doesn't turn crap into gold; he finds people with the skills he wants and plugs them in. Austin's never been as good as Green. He has a lot of work to do to even be with the team for training camp.

Daye didn't exactly compare himself to Green in the way that you imply. He didn't bust out his and Danny's Per 36 numbers. He said that Danny wasn't getting playing time, now he is. That's it. He isn't exactly being pollyannaish. He is saying that in San Antonio, players that had not been able to get playing time elsewhere had been able to work their way into a supporting role. Nothing wrong with that, and a huge stretch to imply he introduced some sort of productivity argument between him and Danny. As per usual, someone makes a fairly innocuous statement, is lambasted for it.

However since YOU introduced the topic, I have a big issue with your false premise.

The cornerstone of your argument is that Danny has been consistent his whole career, even in Cleveland!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dayeau01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html

From 3 Danny shot .273 for the Cavaliers, .368 first year with the Spurs, and maxed out at .436 his second year with the Spurs. He has trailed off slightly since then, but he SUCKED with Cleveland. Guess what, after 4 straight years with a steady system, he has flourished...but that is sort of the opposite of consistency. Now, we can move the goal-posts in your argument and say that he steadily IMPROVED...except that he has not...he has slightly regressed, so even his IMPROVEMENT is not consistent. I'll forgive that as it has been somewhat minimal...and he's been great for us. Not trying to pick on DG.

Daye on the other hand shot 30% in his first year. Higher than Green in his first year. 40% in his second year. Higher than Green in his second year (even though Green was on a much better team). That is when Daye's percentage goes to shit...in his third year...the turmoil and mutiny in Detroit probably corresponds, somewhat, to that time-frame...then the shuffling from team to team...what happened...can it be fixed...I don't know.

However, if anything...those first two years show a higher ceiling and/or a similar growth to Danny. It is very difficult to know what Daye would have done if he had played here for four years. We are comparing apples to oranges. But, a claim that Danny showed a consistency that Daye lacks is erroneous.

They don't play the same position, so some things aren't fair to compare, or difficult. Daye's rebounding numbers are better, despite claims he is too frail to rebound, but he is TALLER, and plays a different position, sort of, so people will argue he should rebound better, of course. 2/3 vs. 3/4, I guess we compare. Etc. Etc. But, one thing that can be compared pretty fairly right across the board is his 3 point shooting percentage, and on raw numbers, I would say he has at least Danny's ability if not more.

I LIKED that he screamed into his pillow (he is happy to be here...(who wants a sad-sack like De Colo)), I am happy that his former teammates liked him and had confidence in him on the court (even if others think his teammates suck, I find it strange to list "good rapport with teammates" as a negative), 15th round pick (some people sitting in a room together agreed he had some potential), better handles than I expected (played point a little - I was led to believe he couldn't dribble at all - The Sandwich Hunter can already thank him for an assist in his 3 minutes of playing time), 6'11" (you can't teach height), potential 40+% 3 point shooter, YOUNG, NBA father that can help keep his head on straight and loves The Spurs, some potential rim protection (I loved that transition D block on D-Wade), Good hands (Um, Ayers), potential passing big like Diaw point-forward feeding the post...

There is a lot to like...if any of it can manifest.

I am still skeptical about his foot speed to guard on the perimeter, and his slight build makes him a liability in the post, probably. I am also worried about his bad attitude in Detroit, maybe. Hard to know what went on there but it doesn't sound good. With his dad and Pop, etc. on his ass maybe it was nothing or maybe it is corrected or correctable. People can surprise you when put in a corner...knowing this may be one of his last chances, maybe we see some fight.

So, I will light a prayer candle for the kid, as I am tired of watching undersized players at every position too often it seems.

[littlecoyotecoin]

matt don't you have to play in a few hours?? get off the board!

Just having a quick sandwich, then I'm heading out!

[ceperez]

They don't play the same position, so some things aren't fair to compare, or difficult. Daye's rebounding numbers are better, despite claims he is too frail to rebound, but he is TALLER, and plays a different position, sort of, so people will argue he should rebound better, of course. 2/3 vs. 3/4, I guess we compare. Etc. Etc. But, one thing that can be compared pretty fairly right across the board is his 3 point shooting percentage, and on raw numbers, I would say he has at least Danny's ability if not more.

I LIKED that he screamed into his pillow (he is happy to be here...(who wants a sad-sack like De Colo)), I am happy that his former teammates liked him and had confidence in him on the court (even if others think his teammates suck, I find it strange to list "good rapport with teammates" as a negative), 15th round pick (some people sitting in a room together agreed he had some potential), better handles than I expected (played point a little - I was led to believe he couldn't dribble at all - The Sandwich Hunter can already thank him for an assist in his 3 minutes of playing time), 6'11" (you can't teach height), potential 40+% 3 point shooter, YOUNG, NBA father that can help keep his head on straight and loves The Spurs, some potential rim protection (I loved that transition D block on D-Wade), Good hands (Um, Ayers), potential passing big like Diaw point-forward feeding the post...

There is a lot to like...if any of it can manifest.

I am still skeptical about his foot speed to guard on the perimeter, and his slight build makes him a liability in the post, probably.


Greate analysis. Also, Daye and de Colo are from the same draft. Daye is #15 and de Colo is #53. Danny Green is #46 incidentally.

So the Daye is the highest draft pick in the current roster except for Tim Duncan.

The traded a #53 pick for a #15 pick? Shouldn't the Spurs community be more estatic?

What I do like is the fact that Daye knows that he does not need to be a multi-talented player with the Spurs. He just needs to do a few things very well. If he ends up like a 6'11" version of Danny Green, then I'll be more than satisfied with the trade.

[monkeypunk]

Greate analysis. Also, Daye and de Colo are from the same draft. Daye is #15 and de Colo is #53. Danny Green is #46 incidentally.

So the Daye is the highest draft pick in the current roster except for Tim Duncan.

The traded a #53 pick for a #15 pick? Shouldn't the Spurs community be more estatic?

What I do like is the fact that Daye knows that he does not need to be a multi-talented player with the Spurs. He just needs to do a few things very well. If he ends up like a 6'11" version of Danny Green, then I'll be more than satisfied with the trade.

If he doesn't show anything in practice or garbage minutes then Pop won't give him any minutes this year and he'll have to wait for summer league to show his talents.

So this may be a moot topic for a few months.