Buyout Watch Thread

[Mel_13]

Some players that fit the profile of a typical buyout candidate:

Charlie V
Caron Butler
Ben Gordon
Chris Kaman
Jordan Hill
Jimmer

I'm not saying that the Spurs should be interested in any of this guys if they hit the market, just trying to identify players that may become available in time to add for the playoffs.


Earl Clark
MWP
Marvin Williams
Danny Granger

[Chinook]

Surprised no one's started it yet. This could be one of the best buyout periods in a long time.

Supposedly, the Sixers will be releasing players soon. Curious to see who those are.

[DPG21920]

Spurs have either gambled and lost or just flat out made mistakes with their off season moves + trade deadline move. This is the only shot Spurs have at righting the wrongs that currently exist.

[Baam]

Charlie V imo, that scrub would be the best fit and the 4th big spot is as open as ever...

[Robz4000]

Never know, that Granger trade came out of nowhere the past few mins. Maybe the Spurs did get something else done?

[Chinook]

Thanks, Bruno for merging so I didn't look dumb for starting another thread.

[Chinook]

Earl Clark's my pick if Philly lets him go. MWP may agree to waive his option and get bought out.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Add Marvin Williams of the Jazz as a possibility as well.

[spurraider21]

Never know, that Granger trade came out of nowhere the past few mins. Maybe the Spurs did get something else done?
http://p.twimg.com/A6V_UsUCcAEH55f.jpg:large

[Chinook]

Hell, even if Ganger sucks, you have to think he's the buyout candidate who's most likely to contribute at a high level.

[spurraider21]

this is the best trade we've made since RJ

[Ditty]

Can Bonner get bought out? :lol

[Robz4000]

http://p.twimg.com/A6V_UsUCcAEH55f.jpg:large

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[Robz4000]

Hell, even if Ganger sucks, you have to think he's the buyout candidate who's most likely to contribute at a high level.

Granger isn't getting bought out.

[Baam]

Can Bonner get bought out? :lol

No we absolutely need his corporate knowledge :toast.

[Chinook]

Granger isn't getting bought out.

Why not?

[spurraider21]

:lol Robz4000

[Robz4000]

Why not?

IMO Philly prolly legitimately thinks he'll be a solid building block for the future. He isn't that far removed from being an above-average SF talent in the league. We know those days are over, but the GMs in this league can be pretty damn retarded.

[cjw]

IMO Philly prolly legitimately thinks he'll be a solid building block for the future. He isn't that far removed from being an above-average SF talent in the league. We know those days are over, but the GMs in this league can be pretty damn retarded.

Right. There was no rationale to make that trade unless they have plans with him after this year.

[Mel_13]

IMO Philly prolly legitimately thinks he'll be a solid building block for the future.

You really haven't been paying attention to what Philly has been doing since the summer.

[HarlemHeat37]

Charlie Villanueva- hell no, tbh

Caron Butler- I wouldn't be upset, but he's a cancer that doesn't play defense anymore

Ben Gordon- obviously not

Chris Kaman- he would be a horrible fit..black hole that can't play in a team concept, weak on D

Jordan Hill- sure, I'd take him

Jimmer- pointless with Mills and Beli on the team

Earl Clark- absolutely

MWP- he has been terrible for a few years playing the 3, but I'd love to take him as the small-ball 4

Marvin Williams- #1 choice

Danny Granger- I wouldn't be upset, but he has looked horrific this season

Ideally IMO:

1. Williams
2. Clark
3. MWP

[cd021]

IMO Philly prolly legitimately thinks he'll be a solid building block for the future. He isn't that far removed from being an above-average SF talent in the league. We know those days are over, but the GMs in this league can be pretty damn retarded.

A 30 year old that missed basicailly all of last season and a chunk of this season, is their building block. Not a chance.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Danny Granger- I wouldn't be upset, but he has looked horrific this season

Ideally IMO:

1. Williams
2. Clark
3. MWP

Of the four, the only sureshot buyout is Granger.

[Robz4000]

You really haven't been paying attention to what Philly has been doing since the summer.

I don't think anyone has any idea what Philly is doing outside tanking tbh. I'm just giving my best guess. They have no legitimate bigmen on their roster anymore and if Granger can find his old form he'd be fine at SF. That means they can go after Randle or Embiid in the draft. If Granger continues to play like shit the rest of the season they cut their losses and grab Wiggins/Parker.

[Robz4000]

A 30 year old that missed basicailly all of last season and a chunk of this season, is their building block. Not a chance.

Not THE building block, but a player they'd like to keep. Their building blocks will be Noel and whoever they nab in the draft.

[Chinook]

Of the four, the only sureshot buyout is Granger.

Might be a first come, first served kind of thing with Philly buyouts. I just hope Earl actually wants out. He's played on bad teams most of his career, so he may not care about spending the rest of the year there.

[Texas_Ranger]

i'd take Earl Clark or Marvin Williams

[Robz4000]

If Granger is bought out I'd put him at the top, with Marvin Williams the alternative. Earl Clark won't come here.

[objective]

I don't see a good reason for Marvin Williams to be on the list, I can't see a scenario for a buyout.

He actually likes Utah and has talked about staying there on his next contract. He won't kill their cap when they re-sign him.

[objective]

Now, Richard Jefferson, on the other hand, has openly talked about going for what's best for him (as in, not staying in Utah).

So if any Jazz player gets bought out, it's him.

Ugh.

[Chinook]

I'd take RJ back. Now, we don't have to worry about him stunting Kawhi's growth. He knows he system and the players. He's reasonably well liked, I think. Not my first choice, but better than we should expect from Daye.

[Baam]

I'd take RJ back. Now, we don't have to worry about him stunting Kawhi's growth. He knows he system and the players. He's reasonably well liked, I think. Not my first choice, but better than we should expect from Daye.


:lmao like he would come back to the Spurs over any other contender

[szkorhetz]

:lmao like he would come back to the Spurs over any other contender
He would be a great fit with clips, but other than that? Spurs is the best suited.
Of course: Granger>>>RJ, but I think we have a better chance to land RJ.

[Chinook]

:lmao like he would come back to the Spurs over any other contender

He might. Especially if they asked. They gave him $40 Million.

[Baam]

He would be a great fit with clips, but other than that? Spurs is the best suited.

They salary dumped him, they paid a first rounder so that he would GTFO...

There's no way he's coming back... I think he'd even take a discount to have the best shot possible at beating us...

[bklynspursfan]

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[Ditty]

Marvin Williams and Jordan Hill :hungry:

Bye Bonner and Brown :elephant

Splitter/Hill/Baynes
Duncan/Diaw/Ayers
Leonard/Williams/Daye
Green/Manu/Marco
Parker/Mills/Joseph

Stacked!!!:lobt2:

[spurraider21]

Marvin Williams and Jordan Hill :hungry:

Bye Bonner and Brown :elephant

Splitter/Hill/Baynes
Duncan/Diaw/Ayers
Leonard/Williams/Daye
Green/Manu/Marco
Parker/Mills/Joseph

Stacked!!!:lobt2:
15 man rotation on a 13 man active roster? seems legit

[ElNono]

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[Robz4000]

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Welp, I was wrong after all.

[Chinook]

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The Spurs need to offer up that MLE if that's what it takes to get him.

[crc21209]

Fucking Clippers...

[bklynspursfan]

^ I don't know how much I trust that dude lol

[Chinook]

436611186516570112

Nope. The dude's done. Just no.

[RD2191]

Can the Spurs get Granger?

[BatManu20]

15 man rotation on a 13 man active roster? seems legit

:lol

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i like clark a lot. i think it's a shame he's even a buyout candidate. he was one of the most interesting free agents from the offseason, imo. the lakers messed up by letting him get away.

[Libri]

He might. Especially if they asked. They gave him $40 Million.

I think it's feasible that the Spurs, if they want him, could tell him that, thanks to the Spurs he got paid even though he wasn't playing up to par.

[BatManu20]

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[look_at_g_shred]

Why would the sixers buyout Granger? Someone explain please....

[Chinook]

Why would the sixers buyout Granger? Someone explain please....

Why not? If he wants to go, why keep him?

[RD2191]

Can the Spurs get Granger?
:wakeup

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't really understand the fascination with Granger outside of name recognition, tbh..

He can't create his own shot anymore and he can barely move on defense..he's pretty much just a spot-up chucker that may be able to give you 1-2 post plays..

I wouldn't be upset with it, Spurs need another body on the perimeter, but I wouldn't expect anything from him, and I certainly wouldn't be afraid if he joined the Clippers..

[look_at_g_shred]

Why not? If he wants to go, why keep him?
Just was curious.

[objective]

The Spurs need to offer up that MLE if that's what it takes to get him.

Not much of the MLE left after Ayers stole 1.75 million of it. At least Marco is earning his 2.75

Not enough to sway Granger I imagine.

[look_at_g_shred]

Gimmie Clark please.

[AFBlue]

Buyout candidates? But the Spurs have Daye.

[Chinook]

I don't really understand the fascination with Granger outside of name recognition, tbh..

He can't create his own shot anymore and he can barely move on defense..he's pretty much just a spot-up chucker that may be able to give you 1-2 post plays..

I wouldn't be upset with it, Spurs need another body on the perimeter, but I wouldn't expect anything from him, and I certainly wouldn't be afraid if he joined the Clippers..

I mean, you go for the best available. Sure, if it's him or Clark, Williams, MWP, I can see being picky. But the Spurs need a body behind Kawhi, and Granger at least has a better chance of heating up than Daye. Unless we get word that someone else from that pack is getting bought out, I will root for Granger.

[Budkin]

Come on Granger!

[Man In Black]

I'm curious why so many people are talking about a player's offense. Unless that player has shown that he is a big time scorer with limited shot chances, none of the guys mentioned will get to have a green light when shooting on the Spurs. Pop ain't going to make the pace any faster to get that new player extra shots. It's either the players they have now, take less shots, or that guy learns to accept his role and take the shots that the guy he replaced would not, or just give the team EFFORT plays.

If I was going to check the players coming in, I'd rank them based on their D, not their O.

[Libri]

Rob McAllister Rob_McAllister (https://twitter.com/Rob_McAllister)
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Reading into Coach Malone's comments it is clear Jason Terry is never going to get on the floor or is getting bought out.

Anybody? :lol

[gospursgojas]

I would think indy would wanna know if sixers planned to buyout granger and would avoid trading him on the chance he'd go to miami.

[Mugen]

Granger has been mediocre enough this season that Indy probably didn't care tbh

[Mel_13]

I would think indy would wanna know if sixers planned to buyout granger and would avoid trading him on the chance he'd go to miami.

Or they like their chances better with Turner and Allen, even if Miami adds Granger.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Spurs are at 15 players so bye bye Shannon Brown is something better comes along

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Orlando is working on a contract buyout with forward Glen Davis, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

[Chomag]

Some good names might be available that could really offer mediate impact for the Spurs. I'm not going to hold my breath though knowing this FO but they still have a chance to salvage such a lack luster off-season and Trade Deadline here.

[Mel_13]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Orlando is working on a contract buyout with forward Glen Davis, league source tells Yahoo Sports.



That's unexpected. Davis still has another year left on his contract.

[Robz4000]

Glen Davis to the Clippers?

[BatManu20]

Bet he goes to the Clips or PHX.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Orlando and Davis have reached agreement on a buyout and parting will be official on Friday morning, league source tells Yahoo.

[Mugen]

Big Baby to the Clippers to reunite with Doc makes sense.

[Mel_13]

Big Baby to the Clippers to reunite with Doc makes sense.

Definitely does. People complain about Ayres as a 4th big, but the 3rd and 4th bigs on the Clipps are Ryan Hollins and Hedo.

[ace3g]

Still interesting to see if any Euroleague talent becomes available.

[freetiago]

Definitely does. People complain about Ayres as a 4th big, but the 3rd and 4th bigs on the Clipps are Ryan Hollins and Hedo.


Clippers bigs can play 36+ minutes though so the damage is minimized
Pop wont play Duncan over 30 and if he does he gives him the next week off
Splitter he absolutely refuses to play over 20 minutes for reasons unknown to man and Diaw is somewhere inbetween

only thing holding back Demonkey is his foul trouble

[Chinook]

Definitely does. People complain about Ayres as a 4th big, but the 3rd and 4th bigs on the Clipps are Ryan Hollins and Hedo.

And Zeller.

[exstatic]

So, Philly traded two ending contracts totaling $10M for Granger's ending contract at $13M...so they could pay him more on a buyout than their own players?

[Mel_13]

And Zeller.

When did the Clipps get a Zeller? And which one?

[Chinook]

When did the Clipps get a Zeller? And which one?

The Cleveland one. For Bullock.

[Mugen]

The Cleveland one. For Bullock.

I don't think that went through tbh.

[Mel_13]

So, Philly traded two ending contracts totaling $10M for Granger's ending contract at $13M...so they could pay him more on a buyout than their own players?

The Sixers are under the salary cap floor. The penalty for that is to pay the difference between the floor and their payroll to the other players on their roster. So getting 3M closer to the floor doesn't add a dime to total payroll.

[Chinook]

I don't think that went through tbh.

I guess not. Damned people posting fake tweets.

[baseline bum]

I'd take RJ back. Now, we don't have to worry about him stunting Kawhi's growth. He knows he system and the players. He's reasonably well liked, I think. Not my first choice, but better than we should expect from Daye.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[exstatic]

The Sixers are under the salary cap floor. The penalty for that is to pay the difference between the floor and their payroll to the other players on their roster. So getting 3M closer to the floor doesn't add a dime to total payroll.

Even more reason they're not buying him out.

[Chinook]

Even more reason they're not buying him out.

It doesn't save them money, but it doesn't cost them either. They could just waive him, or buy him out and give whatever they save to the other players.

[Robz4000]

Tbh maybe the Thunder will buy out KD once Lebron's done taking his purity...

[Mel_13]

Even more reason they're not buying him out.

I think it will really come down to what Granger wants. If he wants out, there's no benefit to the Sixers if they block his exit.

[look_at_g_shred]

How long after players are bought out, that they can be signed?

[look_at_g_shred]

And when can they be bought out?

[ChumpDumper]

How long after players are bought out, that they can be signed?48 hours.

Technically they can be bought out at any time. Glen Davis should be on waivers tomorrow, for example.

[Mel_13]

And when can they be bought out?

Anytime, but they must clear waivers by March 1st in order to be playoff eligible for another team.

[Russo21]

I've always liked Granger but no. Besides name recognition I've only seen him play once this season and it was like Indiana were going out of their way to try get a bucket for Granger in garbage time and he kept clanging it and turning it over. The lead was quickly dwindling. Unless he's improved since then, no, he's been shooting like 30% with little D

[look_at_g_shred]

48 hours.

Technically they can be bought out at any time. Glen Davis should be on waivers tomorrow, for example.
Thanks.

[look_at_g_shred]

Anytime, but they must clear waivers by March 1st in order to be playoff eligible for another team.
Thanks

[elemento]

Big Baby would be a solid addition for the min. Too bad he is 100% going to the Clippers.

He still had 2 years left (counting this season). I was not expecting a buyout right now. I wonder how much money he left on the table.

[exstatic]

Waiting on the meltdown when Money Mase gets bought out and signed. :lol

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)Along with the Clippers, sources tell Yahoo others expressing interest in free agent to be forward Glen Davis include Miami, SA, BKN & GS.

[Mugen]

Spurs have had interest in Big Baby before. I wouldn't be as opposed to it now as i was back then but I'd be very surprised if he went anywhere besides LA.

[timtonymanu]

Wouldn't mind Big Baby, but it seems like a long shot at this point.

[look_at_g_shred]

Miami wanting a piece of everyone lol

[Chinook]

Gonna channel my inner Baam for a sec.

Davis is exactly the type of hard-nosed big the Spurs need if Splitter falters again. He can space the floor, bang down low and isn't afraid of the big moment. Spurs need insurance for not just Splitter shrinking, but also him getting hurt again. The team just can't go into the playoffs with only Duncan and Diaw.

[spurraider21]

Glen Davis would be a huge win imo

[HI-FI]

I'd love for Spurs to get Big Baby. hopefully it can happen.

[cjw]

So what did Philly get out of the trade besides dumping Lavoy Allen if they're gonna cut Granger?

[TheGoldStandard]

lol... so now we're on Glen Davis?

[look_at_g_shred]

Spurs won't even get a hold of Clark much less Davis.

[Mel_13]

Reports say that they got a 2015 second round pick that originally belonged to Golden State.

[Aremid]

Bring big baby this is exactly what we need! Come on holt pay up don't be stingy

[Seventyniner]

Clippers bigs can play 36+ minutes though so the damage is minimized
Pop wont play Duncan over 30 and if he does he gives him the next week off
Splitter he absolutely refuses to play over 20 minutes for reasons unknown to man and Diaw is somewhere inbetween

only thing holding back Demonkey is his foul trouble

Tim will get more than 30 in the playoffs. Tiago better get a damn sight more than 20.

"Demonkey" implies more than just athleticism. You can't fix stupid.

[Mugen]

The Clippers can offer familiarity with Doc + a much bigger role than the Spurs. I'd put the chances he comes here at < 1% tbh.

[TheGoldStandard]

The Clippers can offer familiarity with Doc + a much bigger role than the Spurs. I'd put the chances he comes here at < 1% tbh.

They can also offer playing time..

[Mugen]

They can also offer playing time..

I thought that was implied with "much bigger role."

[Mel_13]

They can also offer playing time..

That was implicit in the words "much bigger role".

[Robz4000]

If he wants a ring tho he'd have a better chance with the Spurs. Then again, Miami is closer and has a better shot than anyone.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Damn big baby would be fckn solid. Imagine a rotation of Duncan/Tiago Diaw/Davis


pipe dream though...

[Chinook]

Did Philly get roster exception for Richardson? Or did they waive somebody? I could totally see them waiving both Ganger and Clark if they ask for it. I guess they might want to keep Clark, though.

[ElNono]

don't really like big baby, but if he takes Errors' minutes, I wouldn't complain

[freetiago]

Tim will get more than 30 in the playoffs. Tiago better get a damn sight more than 20.

"Demonkey" implies more than just athleticism. You can't fix stupid.

disagree tbh..
Pop is always looking to rest Duncan for the next game and next season
cant forget him leaving Leonard/Duncan on the bench in game 6 in the fourth which is why Lebron went off for 16 points



don't really like big baby, but if he takes Errors' minutes, I wouldn't complain

tbh..

[BatManu20]

Davis would be a big upgrade over Ayers, but he's not choosing coming to SA over LA.. get real.

[ace3g]

Keith Pompey @PompeyOnSixers
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#Sixers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Sixers) waive Earl Clark hours after acquiring the forward from the #Cavs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Cavs). Read more at: philly.com/philly/blogs/d… (http://t.co/r3ED9JIrjd) #Sixerstalk (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Sixerstalk) #NBA (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NBA)

[Robz4000]

Get him Spurs!

[slick'81]

Would b a nice fit

[timtonymanu]

Earl Clark would be great! The Spurs at least have to try to get him.

[Mugen]

Didn't even realize Clark was traded today. He needs to be picked up asap tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

Get on the fucking phone RC, tbh..

Solid, athletic defender that can finish and make 3s, perfect backup SF/PF to fill the 9th rotation spot..

[TheGoldStandard]

They can also offer playing time..

Oh I thought you meant dinner roll.. baby likes to eat.

[HI-FI]

Didn't even realize Clark was traded today. He needs to be picked up asap tbh.
:tu
a great fit

[ElNono]

RC: "Why would we need Clark? We have Shannon Brown..."

[exstatic]

Clark has to clear waivers. We can't claim him.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

I really hope the Spurs don't pick up Clark. He's deceptively bad at everything.

[freetiago]

Clark career was rejuvenated because of a game he played vs the Spurs where he went for 20/10 when all the Lakers bigs were injured
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201301090SAS.html
after that he broke out for the Lakers
same happened for Demare Carrol on the Hawks tbh...

would be a good fit on SA as a potential smallball 4

[HarlemHeat37]

Clark was atrocious with the Cavs, but it was just 1 year ago where he was a solid player in an organized offensive system and the best perimeter defender on his team, tbh..

It's easy for a role player to look terrible on a shitty and dysfunctional Cavs team with no system..

[Chinook]

It'd make up for everything that's happened so far. Clark would have been a fine MLE acquisition. He'd have been a fine trade target. If they get him for free as a buyout candidate... just wow.

[Mugen]

Going to be a lot of competition for him IMO. I could see pretty much all the Western Conference teams going after him tbh.

[timtonymanu]

So which teams could claim him?

Hopefully everyone but the Spurs thinks that his shitty season with the Cavs is enough to scare them away.

He would easily be an upgrade over Austin Daye.

[Chinook]

Also if the Spurs get Clark, they could easily waive Daye if another buyout player wants to join.

[Chinook]

So which teams could claim him?

Hopefully everyone but the Spurs thinks that his shitty season with the Cavs is enough to scare them away.

He would easily be an upgrade over Austin Daye.

OKC can. GS might. Brooklyn? Toronto and Boston as well. And the Hawks.

[ElNono]

Clippers?

[Chinook]

Clippers?

They can't get everybody.

[SpurPadre]

They can't get everybody.
Miami seems to.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

When you watch Clark, you might think he's a decent player. He can dunk, is pretty athletic for a big, has a nice jumper, and moves well. But if you watch him closely, you realize the dude has no fucking clue about defense at all. Yeah he's long and kinda-quick, but he can't guard anyone if he has to play help defense, because he's always either too far away from his man to recover adequately or too close to his man to actually provide help defense. And even if he does help, the help defense is Ayres-esque. And he isn't actually that quick. (note this is from watching him on the Lakers last year, IDK how he has been in Cleveland).

I know RAPM isn't perfect, but that metric has Clark as one of the worst players in the NBA every year of his career.

[cd021]

Not THE building block, but a player they'd like to keep. Their building blocks will be Noel and whoever they nab in the draft.

I think he's gone after this season, if not before. Makes no sense to keep him around. At this point he is better suited as a role player on a playoff team.

[cd021]

Also if the Spurs get Clark, they could easily waive Daye if another buyout player wants to join.

One would think Baynes would be on the outs. If San Antonio sees Daye as a a cheap prospect that can basically tryout for the rest of the season. I could see them waiving him if they need an extra roster spot.

[TheGoldStandard]

Roster spot will be available once Shannon Brown's contract expires. How many more days on his 10 day?

[Mel_13]

Tomorrow will be Brown's last game with the Spurs.

[TheGoldStandard]

Well then we shall see what the Spurs decide to do, I honestly don't think they chase a buyout deal but then what do I know.

[Hoops Czar]

So which teams could claim him?

Hopefully everyone but the Spurs thinks that his shitty season with the Cavs is enough to scare them away.

He would easily be an upgrade over Austin Daye.

15 man roster. They aren't claiming anyone right now. Even if they waived Brown, it wouldn't make much sense to go after Earl Clark since they signed up for a year and a half of Daye. And according to spurstalk, every semi productive player has their illogical excuse for not wanting to play here.

[Mel_13]

They've added a significant vet twice in the last five years.

[Hoops Czar]

One was amnestied and came because of his close ties with Tony Parker.

[Robz4000]

I think he's gone after this season, if not before. Makes no sense to keep him around. At this point he is better suited as a role player on a playoff team.

Yeah, I was wrong it looks like. They're discussing a buyout.

[Mel_13]

Both were bought out.

[Chinook]

Tomorrow will be Brown's last game with the Spurs.

A day too late to get that TE.

[kjhip1]

Apparently we're interested in the services of glen Davis according to Marc spears...long shot considering his ties to doc rivers

[BatManu20]

BREAKING: Clippers sign F Glen Davis and claim F Earl Clark off of waivers

(I'm waiting for this).

[Mel_13]

BREAKING: Clippers sign F Glen Davis and claim F Earl Clark off of waivers

(I'm waiting for this).

They can't claim Clark.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

If Clark has a choice to play for SA, LA or MIA I doubt he would pick us. San Antonio isnt "black enough" for him.

[palangi]

Also if the Spurs get Clark, they could easily waive Daye if another buyout player wants to join.
I'd rather see bonner cut or amnestied over daye going.

[Chinook]

I'd rather see bonner cut or amnestied over daye going.

Not going to happen. Shouldn't, either. And only Parker can be amnestied now.

[spurraider21]

I need one of the cap guru's to clarify something for me. It's pretty common for teams to trade, then quickly turn around and waive the player they got (like Clark). why don't they just waive the guy they were about to trade away instead? cut out the middle man. like rather than sending hawes to cleveland and then waiving clark, why didn't they just waive hawes

[Mel_13]

I need one of the cap guru's to clarify something for me. It's pretty common for teams to trade, then quickly turn around and waive the player they got (like Clark). why don't they just waive the guy they were about to trade away instead? cut out the middle man. like rather than sending hawes to cleveland and then waiving clark, why didn't they just waive hawes

Cleveland sent 2 2nd rounders along with Clark.

[Chinook]

I need one of the cap guru's to clarify something for me. It's pretty common for teams to trade, then quickly turn around and waive the player they got (like Clark). why don't they just waive the guy they were about to trade away instead? cut out the middle man. like rather than sending hawes to cleveland and then waiving clark, why didn't they just waive hawes

What? They got something for Hawes. Why would they waive him and let him go for free?

EDIT: Damn it, Mel.

[spurraider21]

ah. forgot about the picks. carry on.

on a side note, what are they going to do with all those 2nd rounders? progressively trade 2 of them to move up little by little?

[ElNono]

They can't claim Clark.

why not?

[spurraider21]

why not?
he has to be claimed at his current salary during the waiver period. i dont think its the bidding system like we see in amnesty cases. clips dont have the cap room to claim his salary

[Chinook]

why not?

Don't have cap space or a big enough exception.

[Mugen]

can't teams over the cap not be able to make waiver claims or am I just making that up tbh

[ElNono]

They can't get everybody.

they cleared two bigs moving Jamison and Mullens... unless they go for Granger, it would make sense to try to replace them

[Mel_13]

why not?

They don't have cap space or a large enough cap exception.

[spurraider21]

can't teams over the cap not be able to make waiver claims or am I just making that up tbh
yeah, unless the waived player is on the vets minimum, in which case why the fuck is he being waived

[ElNono]

They don't have cap space or a large enough cap exception.

the Clippers?

[Chinook]

can't teams over the cap not be able to make waiver claims or am I just making that up tbh

They can if they have a big enough TE or injury exception to absorb the waived player's whole cap number.

[Mel_13]

the Clippers?

Yes

[Mel_13]

they cleared two bigs moving Jamison and Mullens... unless they go for Granger, it would make sense to try to replace them

Yep, they're down to 12 players and they desperately need a big.

[ElNono]

Yes

thanks

[Chinook]

the Clippers?

Yeah. These are the teams who can claim Clark.


OKC can. GS might. Brooklyn? Toronto and Boston as well. And the Hawks.

[ElNono]

Yep, they're down to 12 players and they desperately need a big.

They can still hire him as a FA if nobody claims him, right?

[Mel_13]

They can still hire him as a FA if nobody claims him, right?

As long as the salary doesn't put them over the apron.

[Chinook]

They can sign Granger, Clark and Davis. It's just unlikely that they all go there, hence me complaining they can't sign everybody.

[Mugen]

Clippers pretty much have the same needs as the Spurs with more playing time and a bigger market to offer tbh.

[ElNono]

As long as the salary doesn't put them over the apron.

got it

[Chinook]

Clippers pretty much have the same needs as the Spurs with more playing time and a bigger market to offer tbh.

I doubt Davis gave up $6 Million (guess) to go to a big market for a few months. I actually don't think that the cities themselves will be a big deal. Buyouts are about front-running usually.

[szkorhetz]

I doubt Davis gave up $6 Million (guess) to go to a big market for a few months. I actually don't think that the cities themselves will be a big deal. Buyouts are about front-running usually.

Spurs, Clipps, Heat, TBH.

We wanted to sign him before we signed Dice so this could be appeling to him.

[Bruno]

Both Clark and Davis would be very good additions. Davis is the better player but Clark is the best fit.

[szkorhetz]

Both Clark and Davis would be very good additions. Davis is the better player but Clark is the best fit.

Agreed. Clark is just everything we need right now. Daye could adress similar needs, but Clark is just a much better overall player.

[Baam]

Davis could be nice but we don't really have a shot. Earl Clark is going to LAC as well I think.

Now Granger could be awesome if he can get back to a decent level, giving us that size on the wings to play small without taking it up the ass on D like we do since Jack left...

Other than that any 4th big would be welcome, someone who can shoot a bit ideally...

[yavozerb]

per yahoo sports

The Orlando Magic have reached an agreement on a contract buyout with forward Glen "Big Baby" Davis, sources told Yahoo Sports.
The Magic tried hard to move Davis before Thursday's trade deadline but were unable to find a deal to unload him. The Los Angeles Clippers are the frontrunners to sign Davis, league sources said. Clippers GM and coach Doc Rivers coached Davis with the Boston Celtics and had discussions with Orlando in recent days about acquiring him. The Brooklyn Nets, who like the Clippers are searching for a backup big man, have signifcant interest in Davis too, league sources said. Also interested, according to one of the sources, are the Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs and Golden State Warriors.

Magic officials want to start giving more playing time to their young corps of forwards, including Andrew Nicholson, and were concerned with how Davis would handle a diminished role.

Davis, 28, is being paid $6.4 million this season and $6.6 million next season. The 6-foot-9, 289-pounder averaged 12.1 points and 6.3 rebounds this season for Orlando.

Davis becomes an unrestricted free agent Monday assuming he clears waivers.

[wildchild]

Davis could be nice but we don't really have a shot. Earl Clark is going to LAC as well I think.

Agreed. Clippers wanted to clear roster spot -Jamison and Mullens trades- for some buy out player. Like Heat with Mason's trade.

[Clipper Nation]

I doubt Davis gave up $6 Million (guess) to go to a big market for a few months. I actually don't think that the cities themselves will be a big deal. Buyouts are about front-running usually.
Doc is the bigger deal here, they're still close, tbh....

[superbigtime]

It would be great to get Davis but there seems to be no reason for him to not go to the Clippers. Unless he hates Doc Rivers.

[313]

"@RealGM: Danny Granger 'Pissed' When Told Of Trade, Could Sign With Heat Or Spurs If Waived -- http://t.co/UtNXiVnlYX"

[Leetonidas]

Anyone know what's going on with Granger? Is Philly going to buy him out? The most unlikely scenario but he would be amazing off the bench.

[Leetonidas]

"@RealGM: Danny Granger 'Pissed' When Told Of Trade, Could Sign With Heat Or Spurs If Waived -- http://t.co/UtNXiVnlYX"

Nice :lol

I don't think the Heat players like him after the tough guy shit he pulled against them before and LeBron especially. I could see him wanting to play for a coach like Pop in a system like ours with the chance to either beat Miami or the Pacers if either of the teams get that far

[monkeypunk]

Of Clark, Granger or Davis, who would you guys rather have?

Clark's the best fit but Granger would seem to be the most motivated if healthy... Especially against the Pacers or Heat...

[HarlemHeat37]

Granger sucks, but he's a veteran that can make 3s, so there wouldn't be a concern over whether Pop would actually play him, which isn't necessarily the case with Clark..

[Seventyniner]

Of Clark, Granger or Davis, who would you guys rather have?

Clark's the best fit but Granger would seem to be the most motivated if healthy... Especially against the Pacers or Heat...

Clark seems like the ideal smallball 4, but Leonard can fill that role too if there's another SF (like Granger) available.

There are many ways of going small, too. Technically PG/SG/SF/SF/C is "smallball" but isn't really that small. Pop's preferred configuration is PG/SG/SG/SF/big (Duncan, Splitter, or Diaw), mainly because of the lack of depth at forward. Something like Parker/Manu/Granger/Leonard/Duncan would definitely hold its own.

Then again I don't know much of anything about how good Granger is nowadays. All I know is that he is a true SF as opposed to Clark (combo forward) and Davis (PF).

[Mugen]

Davis > Clark > >> Granger tbh.

[Prime Time]

I'll be the minority tbh. I'd actually prefer Granger over Clark, given the roles/system.

[SpursFan86]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/02/21/a-premature-guide-to-the-buyout-market/

[Beaverfuzz]

Davis > Clark > >> Granger tbh.

Big Baby >>> Granger? Give me what you're smoking.

[benefactor]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/02/21/a-premature-guide-to-the-buyout-market/


You need to edit those writeups out of your post. MySA has a sore vagina and doesn't allow thier content to be posted here.

[Mel_13]

Big Baby >>> Granger? Give me what you're smoking.

Danny Granger hasn't been the player you remember since his injury. There's a reason that Indiana decided to replace him with Evan Turner. He was the face their franchise as recently as the beginning of last season and they let him go for players that the Sixers don't want.

[bklynspursfan]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) 47s (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/436936259186200576)
Clippers remain a strong frontrunner to sign Glen Davis once he clears waivers, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[loveforthegame]

I'll be surprised if Davis ends up anywhere besides the Clippers.

[Mugen]

Big Baby >>> Granger? Give me what you're smoking.


have you watched Granger this season? He's been terrible coming off a major injury who's shooting 35% from the field tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

Granger has been awful defensively, too, he can barely move anymore..

[Mel_13]

Davis is an obvious fit for the Clippers in much the same way that Diaw was an obvious fit for the Spurs two years ago. He immediately becomes the 3rd big on a team coached by the guy he played under for his first 4 NBA seasons.

[timtonymanu]

Yeah I still want Clark over Granger. Davis would have been nice but he's set on the Clippers.

[Mel_13]

Clark seems like the ideal smallball 4, but Leonard can fill that role too if there's another SF (like Granger) available.

There are many ways of going small, too. Technically PG/SG/SF/SF/C is "smallball" but isn't really that small. Pop's preferred configuration is PG/SG/SG/SF/big (Duncan, Splitter, or Diaw), mainly because of the lack of depth at forward. Something like Parker/Manu/Granger/Leonard/Duncan would definitely hold its own.

Then again I don't know much of anything about how good Granger is nowadays. All I know is that he is a true SF as opposed to Clark (combo forward) and Davis (PF).

I'd rather have Green in that lineup over Granger.

[Dverde]

Clippers are the Don Juan of the NBA. They want everybody on their team, once they have you, they forget about you, and start wanting someone else.

[Mugen]

Clark, Granger + likely Caron Butler & MWP being on the buyout list...none of which puts the Spurs over the top but could provide a valuable 8-10mins off the bench in the playoffs.

The Spurs actually have a pretty damn good small ball lineup with Green/Kawhi at the forward positions. I'm just worried about Leonard getting into foul trouble as well as the lack of a 4th quality big on the roster.

Hopefully, the Spurs don't strike out during the buyout period because adding any one of these guys improves the roster tbh.

[JR3]

Every time I look up the clippers have signed someone else... Sick of it. why does it seem like they have 20 roster spots?...

[Seventyniner]

I'd rather have Green in that lineup over Granger.

I agree. I was just trying to think of a "bigger" smallball lineup, one with two SFs in it. I still consider Green a pure SG. Wasn't Green really bad when slotted as a SF last year and has been better this year? Or is my memory failing me?

[Mel_13]

Every time I look up the clippers have signed someone else... Sick of it. why does it seem like they have 20 roster spots?...

Hedo, Sasha, and SJax are their three most recent signings...

[DPG21920]

Any good source on the likelihood of Clark being bought out?

[monkeypunk]

Hedo, Sasha, and SJax are their three most recent signings...

They've since released Jax and Sasha and I would guess Hedo is next to go.

[loveforthegame]

Any good source on the likelihood of Clark being bought out?

I thought he was waived yesterday?

[hommeaetage]

Any good source on the likelihood of Clark being bought out?

He's been waived per CBS Sports

[Mel_13]

I agree. I was just trying to think of a "bigger" smallball lineup, one with two SFs in it. I still consider Green a pure SG. Wasn't Green really bad when slotted as a SF last year and has been better this year? Or is my memory failing me?

According to 82games, Green's opponent PER as a SF was 13.0 last season and 8.1 this season. Granger's opponent PER this season is 9.0, fwiw.

[DPG21920]

I don't think so but not sure

[kjhip1]

Clippers are so funny. I just can't see them making any noise in the playoffs. When ur focal point is Blake griffin, I'd say they remind me of the Nash led Phoenix suns w stoudemire. They play no defense and they're big men are soft

[DPG21920]

Oh nice. Clark would easily be my num one choice.

[Seventyniner]

According to 82games, Green's opponent PER as a SF was 13.0 last season and 8.1 this season. Granger's opponent PER this season is 9.0, fwiw.

Thanks for the info. In both seasons Green played some SF due to injuries, so hopefully it's improvement on his part and not just small sample size.

In Green's case I'll call it good defense. For Granger, maybe it's dragging his opponent down to his level? Granger himself is at 10.44 this season...

[Mel_13]

Thanks for the info. In both seasons Green played some SF due to injuries, so hopefully it's improvement on his part and not just small sample size.

In Green's case I'll call it good defense. For Granger, maybe it's dragging his opponent down to his level? Granger himself is at 10.44 this season...

According to those numbers, Green has played more minutes at SF than SG this season. As a SG, the opponent PER is 10.1, so Danny has been a quality defender this season by this particular metric.

[Seventyniner]

A few more numbers about Granger: career ~38% 3P (though only 33% this year), very good FT shooter (85% career), WS/48 surprisingly high this year given his bad numbers (0.091, 0.100 is considered average). He'd definitely be better than nothing.

Not sure where I stand on Clark. Not good at 3P (~34%) or FT (high 60s %). I haven't watched him other than that game last year in SA when he seemed to rain down 3s and the Lakers almost came back in SA.

If the Spurs somehow get to choose between the two, the deciding factor would likely be defense. Even in a down year Granger seems to be a better shooter.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Charlotte is engaged in contract buyout discussions with Ben Gordon, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[DPG21920]

Well, for one, Spurs need healthy players. Danny is questionable on that front. Clark, while struggling, was on a horrific team (bad coaching, terrible locker room, selfish players...). Clark is not a star - if he is in the right system getting good looks I am sure he would improve some.

Clark is younger, more athletic and more importantly the most likely to stay healthy. For those reasons, despite his struggles, I would choose Clark. In all honesty, I would be happy with either though so let's hope Spurs get one of them.

[DPG21920]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Charlotte is engaged in contract buyout discussions with Ben Gordon, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.



I hope he doesn't go to OKC..

[Robz4000]

Unfortunately, I bet he will. He'd be a huge addition.

:lol too bad they didn't get Shumpert.

[Mugen]

I could easily see Gordon and JET going to the Thunder. Hopefully its JET because it'd be fitting for that turtle headed POS to go to the Thunder tbh.

[ElNono]

I could easily see Gordon and JET going to the Thunder. Hopefully its JET because it'd be fitting for that turtle headed POS to go to the Thunder tbh.

Can you imagine Fish and JET on the same team? :lol

If you thought OKC hits bullshit shots against us, you've seen nothing yet...

[timtonymanu]

I could easily see Gordon and JET going to the Thunder. Hopefully its JET because it'd be fitting for that turtle headed POS to go to the Thunder tbh.

JET + Fisher. I already hate the Thunder without Terry. :lol

[Mugen]

:lol I'd honestly feel better about possibly losing in the Finals if the Spurs were able to knock out an OKC team w/ Terry & Fish tbh.

[DPG21920]

2 Questions:

1) There's no chance SA claims Clark off of waivers, right? I mean, they could take on his salary of 4.5M and still be comfortably under the LT.

2) I know his second year is fully unguaranteed. That stays the same even if he is claimed off of waivers correct?

I guess the question is this: If the Spurs really want him and think another team might get him, claiming him would force the issue and they wouldn't play LT. On the other hand, you could get him for way cheaper when he clears waviers (which is 99% certain) and if he wouldn't choose you when he has his own free will, would you want someone like that?

[Seventyniner]

2 Questions:

1) There's no chance SA claims Clark off of waivers, right? I mean, they could take on his salary of 4.5M and still be comfortably under the LT.

2) I know his second year is fully unguaranteed. That stays the same even if he is claimed off of waivers correct?

I guess the question is this: If the Spurs really want him and think another team might get him, claiming him would force the issue and they wouldn't play LT. On the other hand, you could get him for way cheaper when he clears waviers (which is 99% certain) and if he wouldn't choose you when he has his own free will, would you want someone like that?

I think you have to have cap space or a big enough exception to claim a player off waivers. It might even be just cap space only. The Spurs don't have $4.5M worth of either one. It's hard to see any team claim him because the ones with enough space are generally bad teams.

[DPG21920]

Duh - you are correct. Wasn't even thinking about that.

[Sean Cagney]

Every time I look up the clippers have signed someone else... Sick of it. why does it seem like they have 20 roster spots?...

Good lord it is getting ridiculous.
:lol I'd honestly feel better about possibly losing in the Finals if the Spurs were able to knock out an OKC team w/ Terry & Fish tbh.

NO, if he joins that THUNDER team he will hit every shot against us like Fish and Reggie do, add another one to that list and I have to look at his damn stupid smile again when interviewed about the SPURS. Go away FERRY.

[Mugen]

I can see the Spurs being hesitant to sign Clark considering they already have 6 bigs on the roster + just having traded for Austin Daye who's pretty much a poor man's version of Earl Clark. Guys like Granger and Butler seem to be more "Spurs type" players which would be a shame because Clark is the best fit as others have stated previously.

[Clipper Nation]

Every time I look up the clippers have signed someone else... Sick of it. why does it seem like they have 20 roster spots?...
We've signed a bunch of different players to 10-day contracts due to injuries, constant roster turnover shouldn't be a surprise....

[Godbama]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=330Ss4qv55M

[Chinook]

I hope he doesn't go to OKC..

I want him to. The Spurs need the Thunder out of the picture. Ideally, OKC takes a guard or two, LAC takes Davis and either Clark or Granger, Miami takes Butler and the Spurs taken the remainder of Clark/Granger and then possibly the guard OKC doesn't want.

[bklynspursfan]

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS (https://twitter.com/KBergCBS)
The Hawks announce they have waived Antawn Jamison, acquired yesterday from the Clippers.

[Mel_13]

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS (https://twitter.com/KBergCBS)
The Hawks announce they have waived Antawn Jamison, acquired yesterday from the Clippers.

No.

[look_at_g_shred]

For some reason I see the Spurs wanting a guy like Antawn over Granger any day of the week.

[Chinook]

For some reason I see the Spurs wanting a guy like Antawn over Granger any day of the week.

Well, look away.

[bklynspursfan]

No.

Agreed.. Just sharing :)

[bklynspursfan]

For some reason I see the Spurs wanting a guy like Antawn over Granger any day of the week.

Ha I could see that too because of his personality. Good locker room guy. Hope not though

[look_at_g_shred]

Well, look away.
lol i'm just saying cause the guy's a veteran well past his prime. You know, Spurs material. In all honesty, I'd hate for the Spurs to sign him.

[Mel_13]

Agreed.. Just sharing :)

:lol

There are worse players than Ayres in the NBA. Not many, but Jamison is one of them.

[bklynspursfan]

:lol

There are worse players than Ayres in the NBA. Not many, but Jamison is one of them.

:rollin Well he is old, so i guess it's somewhat expected. There is still at least some hope for Ayres to play better on a consistent basis

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol

There are worse players than Ayres in the NBA. Not many, but Jamison is one of them.

Eh, I don't know about that, tbh:lol..sadly:(..

Jamison is beyond finished, though..I can't imagine why a team would even consider him, other than possibly being a mentor, since he's a solid veteran..