Do you believe in ghosts?

[AussieFanKurt]

I don't but do you

[Thebesteva]

I don't but do you

Legend has it that Koolaid man does, he wants to believe in something white that doesnt hate him

[SupremeGuy]

Doesn't this just boil down to whether or not someone believes in God?

[The Reckoning]

Doesn't this just boil down to whether or not someone believes in God?


not necessarily. energy is neither created nor destroyed, so it's possible that excess energy can be left over after a person dies.

[CitizenDwayne]

Nope. But, like religion, I would happily change my mind if someone could give me adequate evidence.

[Leetonidas]

Does the Bible actually mention anything about ghosts existing? Because I'm not 100% but I don't think belief in ghosts is derived from the Bible, just something people apparently have thought over thousands of years because they don't know wtf happens. Either way, believing in ghosts is silly. Those ghost hunter shows are the saddest example of shit tv there is

[SupremeGuy]

not necessarily. energy is neither created nor destroyed, so it's possible that excess energy can be left over after a person dies.Sounds like a metaphysical argument for a soul, which would go back to the existence of God, would it not?

[RD2191]

Does the Bible actually mention anything about ghosts existing? Because I'm not 100% but I don't think belief in ghosts is derived from the Bible, just something people apparently have thought over thousands of years because they don't know wtf happens. Either way, believing in ghosts is silly. Those ghost hunter shows are the saddest example of shit tv there is
Ghosts are demons, demons like to mess with people. They're like tricksters. They also appear to trick people into believing that the soul is still "alive" after death, which is simply not true. I know you don't believe in the Bible but that's just some of my knowledge on the subject.

[rascal]

When you die you go into another dimension so no to ghosts hanging around in the 3rd dimension. Ghosts no, but apparitions yes. Virgin Mary was seen in Portugal and France and Mexico by some kids.

[Leetonidas]

Ghosts are demons, demons like to mess with people. They're like tricksters. They also appear to trick people into believing that the soul is still "alive" after death, which is simply not true. I know you don't believe in the Bible but that's just some of my knowledge on the subject.

Thanks for the non-trolling answer, I was genuinely curious about that :lol

[RD2191]

Thanks for the non-trolling answer, I was genuinely curious about that :lol
No prob. :lol

[rascal]

Ghosts are demons, demons like to mess with people. They're like tricksters. They also appear to trick people into believing that the soul is still "alive" after death, which is simply not true. I know you don't believe in the Bible but that's just some of my knowledge on the subject.

Agree with this. But not ghosts which imply dead human souls but more like apparitions.

[rascal]

Bible states there are dangers trying to contact the dead, you can be fooled by demons.

[benefactor]

My posts from the other ghost thread:

My dad's side of the family talked about seeing grandma in the pasture, but it's hard to believe many of them because they are a bunch of rednecks. It's kinda like believing rednecks who saw aliens.

However, my cousin did have some strange stuff happen in an apartment he and his girlfriend were living in. We were close as brothers at the time and he's just not the type to bullshit about something like this. There were several things he told me but the two I remember the most were him losing his shoe and some things that happened with the Christmas tree. He was getting ready for work one day and put his shoes beside the bed. He went into the other room for a few minutes and when he came back one shoe was missing. He looked everywhere for it but could not find it. He thought it was weird but just shrugged it off and went and got another pair and left. About a week went by and he came home from work to find his shoe...right beside the bed where left it initially.

With the Christmas tree it was the angel getting knocked off. Not long after they put the tree up the angel would wind up on the floor every time they got home from work. They had a cat, so naturally he figured he was the culprit. He took wire and secured the angel tightly to the top of the tree...to the point where you would have to unwire it to get it off. He came home that evening to find the top of the tree bent over and the angel...and wire...on the floor.

They moved out right after that.

Forgot to mention that as they were getting ready to move out my cousin mentioned to the manager kinda casually about strange things happening in the apartment. The manager told him that this wasn't the first time he'd heard something like that and that there were several apartments in that particular building that had similar complaints.

[The Reckoning]

Sounds like a metaphysical argument for a soul, which would go back to the existence of God, would it not?

no not really. energy doesn't need to be conscious of itself.

[Leetonidas]

I wish some ghosts would bother me so I could observe their supposed existence :cry

[SupremeGuy]

no not really. energy doesn't need to be conscious of itself.Exactly what energy are you talking about?

[DMC]

not necessarily. energy is neither created nor destroyed, so it's possible that excess energy can be left over after a person dies.

Then it wouldn't be "excess" if the first part of your sentence is true. In fact, there's no excess energy. A tree dies and it contains energy. Every atom in existence has energy. We don't contain more energy just because we are alive. We just use it differently. Is a cold blooded animal less "energetic" than a warm blooded one?

All energy is always "left over". Energy doesn't exist as a separate entity, it's only a potential. There's no reason to conclude that it's even possible that naturally occurring energy transfers can take the form of a human and have synaptic responses. Hell, the body didn't even have that which is why it died. If the body with all it's tools and material cannot muster it, how can just the surrounding air do so?

[The Reckoning]

Then it wouldn't be "excess" if the first part of your sentence is true. In fact, there's no excess energy. A tree dies and it contains energy. Every atom in existence has energy. We don't contain more energy just because we are alive. We just use it differently. Is a cold blooded animal less "energetic" than a warm blooded one?

All energy is always "left over". Energy doesn't exist as a separate entity, it's only a potential. There's no reason to conclude that it's even possible that naturally occurring energy transfers can take the form of a human and have synaptic responses. Hell, the body didn't even have that which is why it died. If the body with all it's tools and material cannot muster it, how can just the surrounding air do so?


i used excess and left over interchangeably. i just find the human brain peculiar because the amount of energy necessary to power it. iirc, most of our energy intake is dedicated to running our brains. what happens when it just shuts off? like a power plant, does some of that linger? do all of our memories dissipate with it?

tbh, i don't believe in ghosts but i've lived in some creepy as fuck places where the air just didn't feel right. thanks for responding to my assertion in a logical matter since i was playing devil's advocate. other posters are trying to play the religion card for no reason lol.

[baseline bum]

LOL rascal using Mexicans seeing Virgin Mary in their tortilla as evidence

[baseline bum]

And energy is always being destroyed. For instance, the cosmological redshift of photons due to the expansion of the universe lowers their energy (with no corresponding gain anywhere) since their frequency gets lower as they're stretched to longer wavelengths.

[Relevancy]

Guys if demons are real, how can we evoke such spirits? Not saying I'm gonna try it, but I'll call bs on demons if there's no method to summon them.

[DMC]

i used excess and left over interchangeably. i just find the human brain peculiar because the amount of energy necessary to power it. iirc, most of our energy intake is dedicated to running our brains. what happens when it just shuts off? like a power plant, does some of that linger? do all of our memories dissipate with it?

You ever use an inductance amplifier? Try that in an electrically noisy environment. Then turn off the power. You don't hear residuals because there's no residual energy. Where residuals exist in the form of capacitance, it will just have a lag for dissipation. It won't linger. Even triboelectric charges will dissipate. There's no reason to think a static charge of matter is a human soul and the concept of ghosts infers souls. I get the spookiness, however much of that is because we have been exposed to religion for most of our lives. We don't necessarily believe it, but we give it some credence in some moments.



tbh, i don't believe in ghosts but i've lived in some creepy as fuck places where the air just didn't feel right. thanks for responding to my assertion in a logical matter since i was playing devil's advocate. other posters are trying to play the religion card for no reason lol.

It's hard to separate religion from afterlife and ghosts are afterlife.

[rascal]

LOL rascal using Mexicans seeing Virgin Mary in their tortilla as evidence

No it wasn't in their tortilla. Didn't some kid see the Virgin in the 1500's.

[rascal]

LOL rascal using Mexicans seeing Virgin Mary in their tortilla as evidence

At Fatima, Portugal many people witnessed the sun doing crazy things.

[rascal]

Guys if demons are real, how can we evoke such spirits? Not saying I'm gonna try it, but I'll call bs on demons if there's no method to summon them.

Get a Ouija board and start playing around with it.

[Xevious]

I don't believe in ghosts, spirits, angels, demons, ghouls, goblins, zombies, vampires, or werewolves. All are man made fictions. Humans have been living and dying on Earth for thousands of years. Other mammals and lifeforms for much longer. That's a lot of fucking ghosts to be wandering around. I kill microbes every time I swallow. Is my stomach haunted?

[Two10Whitey]

I don't really believe in ghosts. The closest thing that I find interesting is OBE and astral projection.

[Suspect]

naw but ive had that sleep paralysis shit happen to me every once in a while, when trying to wake up catch a glance of some demon like face first sometimes. usually after a naughty dream tbh

[Blake]

Does the Bible actually mention anything about ghosts existing? Because I'm not 100% but I don't think belief in ghosts is derived from the Bible, just something people apparently have thought over thousands of years because they don't know wtf happens. Either way, believing in ghosts is silly. Those ghost hunter shows are the saddest example of shit tv there is

1 Samuel 28

.....Saul swore to her by the*Lord, “As surely as the*Lord*lives, you will not be punished for this.”11*Then the woman asked, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”“Bring up Samuel,” he said.12*When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me?*You are Saul!”13*The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see?”The woman said, “I see a ghostly figure[a]*coming up out of the earth.”14*“What does he look like?” he asked.“An old man wearing a robe*is coming up,” she said.Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.15*Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”......


Lol ghosts

[Leetonidas]

Get a Ouija board and start playing around with it.

dumbass :lmao

[DMC]

I don't believe in ghosts, spirits, angels, demons, ghouls, goblins, zombies, vampires, or werewolves. All are man made fictions. Humans have been living and dying on Earth for thousands of years. Other mammals and lifeforms for much longer. That's a lot of fucking ghosts to be wandering around. I kill microbes every time I swallow. Is my stomach haunted?
Probably a few babies as well... I said.

[chunticakes]

Probably a few babies as well... I said.

winner winner, chicken dinner. :lol

[Xevious]

I walked into that one, I guess.

[I. Hustle]

XeXe got some ghost babies in his stomach.

[spurraider21]

:lol using the law of conservation of mass-energy as reason to believe in ghosts

by that same logic there should be no way babies are born tbh

[DMC]

Reifying superstition through science is the coward's way of reconciling the two without offending either side. Don't want to appear ignorant and uneducated, but also don't want to appear closed minded to "spirituality". Makes for a more dimensional character.... more interesting.

[The Reckoning]

i said i don't believe in ghosts but it's always a fun theory to talk about. lighten the fuck up it's a message board.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Doesn't this just boil down to whether or not someone believes in God?


not necessarily. energy is neither created nor destroyed, so it's possible that excess energy can be left over after a person dies.

Bingo.

[SupremeGuy]

:lol using the law of conservation of mass-energy as reason to believe in ghosts

by that same logic there should be no way babies are born tbhExactly why I was trying to get him to specify exactly what energy he was talking about, tbh. lol He dodged.

[DMC]

i said i don't believe in ghosts but it's always a fun theory to talk about. lighten the fuck up it's a message board.

Since it's a message board, it's ok to have an uneducated opinion on science? Ok. I wasn't aware of that.

[DMC]

Bingo.

lol

Two people not understanding science

[The Reckoning]

Since it's a message board, it's ok to have an uneducated opinion on science? Ok. I wasn't aware of that.


why because energy is a loose term we apply to some forces that power things yet it is nearly intangible? "energy" is some made up concept to help us cope with what makes things move. you're just as bad as preachers who stand on their pulpit and claim to know more about god than the next man.

[The Reckoning]

Exactly why I was trying to get him to specify exactly what energy he was talking about, tbh. lol He dodged.


lol even dmc can agree with me that you're full of fucking shit and trying to piggy back on his rebuttal like you know anything.

[SupremeGuy]

lol even dmc can agree with me that you're full of fucking shit and trying to piggy back on his rebuttal like you know anything.lol still waiting for you to clarify what "energy" you're talking about and how it somehow manifests itself as a ghost, tbh

[SupremeGuy]

i said i don't believe in ghosts but it's always a fun theory to talk about. lighten the fuck up it's a message board.I agree. :toast

[DMC]

why because energy is a loose term we apply to some forces that power things yet it is nearly intangible? "energy" is some made up concept to help us cope with what makes things move. you're just as bad as preachers who stand on their pulpit and claim to know more about god than the next man.

lol... ok

Nobody understands energy.... it's this mystical force that we just pretend to know... it's really mysterious. The fact that we can control it to the nth degree and you're using it right now to read this text is just a coincidence.

I guess with energy being measured in Joules and thus being quantitative, it's just a "loose term" we use to describe some crazy forces that power things.

Jeb "Billy Bob, what you reckon makes that there lightnin' hit da groun' liken dat?"

Billy Bob "probably energy or somethin', Jeb, we won't never know"

[Blake]

ghost energy is enough to haunt a house for hundreds of years.

cleaner and safer than nuclear

[Rogue]

lol... ok

Nobody understands energy.... it's this mystical force that we just pretend to know... it's really mysterious. The fact that we can control it to the nth degree and you're using it right now to read this text is just a coincidence.

I guess with energy being measured in Joules and thus being quantitative, it's just a "loose term" we use to describe some crazy forces that power things.

Jeb "Billy Bob, what you reckon makes that there lightnin' hit da groun' liken dat?"

Billy Bob "probably energy or somethin', Jeb, we won't never know"
energy and substance are just two forms of the same thing imho.

[DMC]

energy and substance are just two forms of the same thing imho.

But it's a very mysterious.. spooky force that we should fear imo.

[Rogue]

But it's a very mysterious.. spooky force that we should fear imo.
agree, D. Especially nuclear energy, which's like Pandora's box. Humans know how to convert substance into energy (nuclear fission) but not how to control the process imho.

[Relevancy]

Get a Ouija board and start playing around with it.Can you tell me the history of the ouija board? why do people believe it summons demons? I don't get it.

[xmas1997]

In one word, No.
I don't believe we are being visited by space aliens either.

[rascal]

Can you tell me the history of the ouija board? why do people believe it summons demons? I don't get it.

Look it up. I never used it but give it a try and tell us what you find out.

[rascal]

Does the Bible actually mention anything about ghosts existing? Because I'm not 100% but I don't think belief in ghosts is derived from the Bible, just something people apparently have thought over thousands of years because they don't know wtf happens. Either way, believing in ghosts is silly. Those ghost hunter shows are the saddest example of shit tv there is

The Holy Ghost

[Blake]

http://www.northwesternflipside.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/jesus_toast.jpg

The Holy Toast

[xmas1997]

http://www.northwesternflipside.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/jesus_toast.jpg

The Holy Toast

For someone who professes atheism you sure like to quote scripture a lot.
Closet Christian, maybe?
:lol

[Blake]

For someone who professes atheism you sure like to quote scripture a lot.
Closet Christian, maybe?
:lol

I've studied the Bible. You're stupid.

[xmas1997]

I've studied the Bible. You're stupid.

Another typical Blakism.
Give it up. No one believes that.
:lol

[Blake]

Another typical Blakism.
Give it up. No one believes that.
:lol

No one believes I'm a closet Christian for sure.

When did you give up reading at an elementary school level?

[xmas1997]

No one believes I'm a closet Christian for sure.

When did you give up reading at an elementary school level?

Oh I guess about the same time that Kool screwed your mom and begat you.
Keep on melting, Blakey.
:lol

[Blake]

Oh I guess about the same time that Kool screwed your mom and begat you.
Keep on melting, Blakey.
:lol

sick 5th grade burn.

No one other than the 210 gang believes I'm melting. But a mom joke is usually a gateway to a meltdown. Be careful.

[xmas1997]

sick 5th grade burn.

No one other than the 210 gang believes I'm melting. But a mom joke is usually a gateway to a meltdown. Be careful.

Gateway jokes, as in gateway drugs?
You really are a hoot.
You have no idea what you are even saying anymore.
There is no 210 gang, it is all in your imagination.
:lol

[pgardn]

Ghosts are demons, demons like to mess with people. They're like tricksters. They also appear to trick people into believing that the soul is still "alive" after death, which is simply not true. I know you don't believe in the Bible but that's just some of my knowledge on the subject.

So explain Casper.

[xmas1997]

So explain Casper.

He's friendly.
:lol

[pgardn]

why because energy is a loose term we apply to some forces that power things yet it is nearly intangible? "energy" is some made up concept to help us cope with what makes things move. you're just as bad as preachers who stand on their pulpit and claim to know more about god than the next man.

Mass is also a concept that happens to be tested, just like energy, and to be PREDICTIVE when used by the rules they appear to obey.

So we use them. And the definitions of these concepts change as we learn new things.
I don't see the problem. It's science.

[pgardn]

Really, WTF is a ghost? I have heard so many different definitions.

[xmas1997]

Really, WTF is a ghost? I have heard so many different definitions.

Spooks.
:lol