Texans are about to lose it

[Drachen]

Doesn't change much for the time being but I'll bet the rhetoric is about to get thick. http://m.ksat.com/news/federal-judge-lifts-state-ban-on-gay-marriage/-/15126192/24696586/-/4dp7t3z/-/index.html

[Blake]

Time to secede

[CosmicCowboy]

*yawn*

[boutons_deux]

Christian haters gonna hate (it's all about the $$$)

"Lawyers for the state say argue Texas has a right to create its own laws on marriage"

weak. might as well argue TX has the right to create its own laws on blacks, browns, women, etc.

[boutons_deux]

Freedom! FROM religion!

[DarrinS]

Please just give the geys what they want so they'll STFU already.

[ElNono]

*yawn*

pretty much

[boutons_deux]

Please just give the geys what they want so they'll STFU already.

I'm so sorry, are victims of discrimination bothering you with their clamor for equal treatment?

I guess you had the same bother with blacks fighting for their rights to vote, etc?

[FromWayDowntown]

This will go up to the Fifth Circuit and will likely be reversed there.

The real question is what SCOTUS does with this issue. As the number of states who permit same-sex marriage increases, we reach a point where allowing state-by-state regulation of those relationships becomes a practical impossibility in a portable society; that would suggest that there should be a universal governing principle on the legality of same-sex marriage and I tend to think that principle will find bans on same-sex marriage to be unconstitutional. The basic practical arguments for bans have always been pretty shallow and courts are finding a number of ways to conclude that the bans fail as a matter of constitutional law.

I'm not sure why anyone is choosing to devote time and money to fighting this battle -- since the outcome now seems a fait accompli -- but obviously, it will continue until there's a definitive ruling on the constitutional issues.

[boutons_deux]

As of October 1, 2012, the active judges on the court are as follows (chief judge in bold):[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Fifth_Circu it#cite_note-bios-3)


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Judge
Duty station[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Fifth_Circu it#cite_note-dutystation-4)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Fifth_Circu it#cite_note-dutystation2-5)
Born
Appointed
Chief
Appointed by


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Carl E. Stewart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_E._Stewart)
Shreveport, LA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shreveport,_Louisiana)
1950
1994
2012–present
Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Bill_Clinton)


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E. Grady Jolly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Grady_Jolly)
Jackson, MS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson,_Mississippi)
1937
1982
——
Reagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Ronald_Reagan)


61
W. Eugene Davis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Eugene_Davis)
Lafayette, LA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lafayette,_Louisiana)
1936
1983
——
Reagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Ronald_Reagan)


63
Edith H. Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Jones)
Houston, TX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston,_Texas)
1949
1985
2006–2012
Reagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Ronald_Reagan)


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Jerry Edwin Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Edwin_Smith)
Houston, TX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston,_Texas)
1946
1987
——
Reagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Ronald_Reagan)


73
James L. Dennis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_L._Dennis)
New Orleans, LA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans,_Louisiana)
1936
1995
——
Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Bill_Clinton)


74
Edith Brown Clement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Brown_Clement)
New Orleans, LA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans,_Louisiana)
1948
2001
——
G.W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_George_W._Bush )


75
Edward C. Prado (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_C._Prado)
San Antonio, TX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio,_Texas)
1947
2003
——
G.W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_George_W._Bush )


77
Priscilla Owen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Owen)
Austin, TX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin,_Texas)
1954
2005
——
G.W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_George_W._Bush )


78
Jennifer Walker Elrod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Elrod)
Houston, TX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston,_Texas)
1966
2007
——
G.W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_George_W._Bush )


79
Leslie H. Southwick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_H._Southwick)
Jackson, MS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson,_Mississippi)
1950
2007
——
G.W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_George_W._Bush )


80
Catharina Haynes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharina_Haynes)
Dallas, TX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas,_Texas)
1963
2008
——
G.W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_George_W._Bush )


81
James E. Graves, Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_E._Graves,_Jr.)
Jackson, MS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson,_Mississippi)
1953
2011
——
Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Barack_Obama)


82
Stephen A. Higginson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_A._Higginson)
New Orleans, LA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans,_Louisiana)
1961
2011
——
Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Barack_Obama)


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Fifth_Circu it

yep,the notoriously shitty extreme right-wing activist 5th with St Ronnie/dubya appointees (eg, Owen is truly garbage, iow, typical Repug appointee) will certainly overrule.

[DarrinS]

I'm so sorry, are victims of discrimination bothering you with their clamor for equal treatment?

I guess you had the same bother with blacks fighting for their rights to vote, etc?


Just tired of hearing about it -- kinda like your posts.

[ElNono]

This will go up to the Fifth Circuit and will likely be reversed there.

The real question is what SCOTUS does with this issue. As the number of states who permit same-sex marriage increases, we reach a point where allowing state-by-state regulation of those relationships becomes a practical impossibility in a portable society; that would suggest that there should be a universal governing principle on the legality of same-sex marriage and I tend to think that principle will find bans on same-sex marriage to be unconstitutional. The basic practical arguments for bans have always been pretty shallow and courts are finding a number of ways to conclude that the bans fail as a matter of constitutional law.

I'm not sure why anyone is choosing to devote time and money to fighting this battle -- since the outcome now seems a fait accompli -- but obviously, it will continue until there's a definitive ruling on the constitutional issues.

You can also add it's an absolute political loser...

[Spurminator]

You can also add it's an absolute political loser...

Maybe in some places but we'll see in Texas.

Should be interesting to see how AG and candidate-for-Governor Greg Abbott handles. Everyone expects him to appeal, but he could take a lot of wind out of Wendy Davis' sails if he doesn't. His base will still show up and vote for him regardless. Davis needs energized urban voters to rally for her, and this would be one less issue for them to rally around.

[ElNono]

Maybe in some places but we'll see in Texas. Should be interesting to see how AG and candidate-for-Governor Greg Abbott handles. This is a win-win for Wendy Davis.

I mean, it's only a winner on states that are already decidedly red. Everywhere else, it's a political loser.

Not just this. Social conservatism overall is, IMO.

[boutons_deux]

Supreme Court Could Soon Open The Floodgates For More Anti-Gay Laws


http://a1.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/zc4sakr6qqadvg55pvo2.jpg

A closely watched case currently before the Supreme Court, Sebelius v. Hobby Lobby Stores Inc., has nothing to do with LGBT rights, but everything to do with religious freedom. At issue is whether the federal government can require private businesses to cover birth control for their employees under Obamacare if the employer objects to contraception on religious grounds.

That's why advocates and legal experts say that if the justices rule that the health care reform law doesn't apply to those individuals and businesses, their legal reasoning could open the door for more discriminatory legislation. Or if they rule that it does, that could establish a new judicial foundation for striking down those anti-gay laws.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/scotus-hobby-lobby-arizona-anti-gay-law

[TSA]

Supreme Court Could Soon Open The Floodgates For More Anti-Gay Laws


http://a1.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/zc4sakr6qqadvg55pvo2.jpg

A closely watched case currently before the Supreme Court, Sebelius v. Hobby Lobby Stores Inc., has nothing to do with LGBT rights, but everything to do with religious freedom. At issue is whether the federal government can require private businesses to cover birth control for their employees under Obamacare if the employer objects to contraception on religious grounds.

That's why advocates and legal experts say that if the justices rule that the health care reform law doesn't apply to those individuals and businesses, their legal reasoning could open the door for more discriminatory legislation. Or if they rule that it does, that could establish a new judicial foundation for striking down those anti-gay laws.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/scotus-hobby-lobby-arizona-anti-gay-law



What the fuck is that thing underneath the 2? :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

Maybe in some places but we'll see in Texas.

Should be interesting to see how AG and candidate-for-Governor Greg Abbott handles. Everyone expects him to appeal, but he could take a lot of wind out of Wendy Davis' sails if he doesn't. His base will still show up and vote for him regardless. Davis needs energized urban voters to rally for her, and this would be one less issue for them to rally around.

Excellent point.

[FromWayDowntown]

Maybe in some places but we'll see in Texas.

Should be interesting to see how AG and candidate-for-Governor Greg Abbott handles. Everyone expects him to appeal, but he could take a lot of wind out of Wendy Davis' sails if he doesn't. His base will still show up and vote for him regardless. Davis needs energized urban voters to rally for her, and this would be one less issue for them to rally around.

His rhetoric in the immediate aftermath of the decision today was a written statement insisting that an appeal is coming. I wonder to what extent that decision is being driven by Abbott (who has a history of using state resources to pursue extended litigation on hot-button issues) or by Governor Perry (who might see victory on this issue as a significant point to his legacy).

I'd frankly be stunned if the State didn't appeal.

[Chewbacca]

What the fuck is that thing underneath the 2? :lmao

:lmao

[Jacob1983]

CROFL! Definitely not gonna win people over with creatures like that. Just let homos marry and shut up. Let them cheat them system just like straight couples. I still think single Americans gay straight or switch hitter should get a cut of all the taxes of every marriage license in America. Bam! Make it happen.

[Das Texan]

I'm all for gay couples getting the same ass raping by the IRS that straight couples do (provided you make the income that qualifies for said ass raping).

This also applies for Obamacare and its subsidies.

[Blake]

CROFL! Definitely not gonna win people over with creatures like that. Just let homos marry and shut up. Let them cheat them system just like straight couples. I still think single Americans gay straight or switch hitter should get a cut of all the taxes of every marriage license in America. Bam! Make it happen.

How do straight couples cheat the system

[DisAsTerBot]

CROFL! Definitely not gonna win people over with creatures like that. Just let homos marry and shut up. Let them cheat them system just like straight couples. I still think single Americans gay straight or switch hitter should get a cut of all the taxes of every marriage license in America. Bam! Make it happen.

lol begging for a handout.

get a better job tbh

[FromWayDowntown]

I'd frankly be stunned if the State didn't appeal.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Texas-files-notice-of-appeal-in-same-sex-marriage-5274111.php

[pgardn]

The "Keep It Red" signs are becoming more obvious.

Is there some doubt trickling in...

[Trainwreck2100]

Please just give the geys what they want so they'll STFU already.

But then we'Lo have to find new shit to divide the country

[Jacob1983]

Married couples in America get significantly more tax breaks and privileges than single Americans. That is cheating the system in my opinion. How many marriages are shams in America?

Get a better job? You offering me one, ass fuck?

[Blake]

Married couples in America get significantly more tax breaks and privileges than single Americans. That is cheating the system in my opinion. How many marriages are shams in America?

Get a better job? You offering me one, ass fuck?

You'll have to show how married couples get better tax breaks.

[Jacob1983]

Do you really think I care enough to post that shit? And do you really think I give a shit if two gay men want to play house and act like they are a normal married couple? Be honest now. Do you genuinely think that I give a fuck about this shit? I mean I can admit that I may be a little annoyed by it and bitch about it on a message board but other than that, I'm not going to do anything about it. I won't because I just don't give a shit.

[Blake]

You're saying that some Americans are getting married just for the tax breaks. I'd like to see where you are getting this from.

Or we can all just make fun of you as usual. I don't really give a shit either way.

[Jacob1983]

It's my opinion. I won't posting any data on the matter since I don't really care about your opinion. If making fun of strangers on a message board is what you like to do, then continue you doing it ass fuck.

[Blake]

It's my opinion. I won't posting any data on the matter since I don't really care about your opinion. If making fun of strangers on a message board is what you like to do, then continue you doing it ass fuck.

I think you're a bit off Target

[Jacob1983]

I see what you did there.

[DisAsTerBot]

Do you really think I care enough to post that shit? And do you really think I give a shit if two gay men want to play house and act like they are a normal married couple? Be honest now. Do you genuinely think that I give a fuck about this shit? I mean I can admit that I may be a little annoyed by it and bitch about it on a message board but other than that, I'm not going to do anything about it. I won't because I just don't give a shit.

of course you won't. just like the rest of your life

[Leetonidas]

Reading Jacob's posts depress the shit out of me sometimes. Such an angry, hurt little fellow. :depressed