Pop, Clinton, Cisneros, & Castro Walk into a Restaraunt

[Spur|n|Austin]

While in San Antonio, former President Bill Clinton ate lunch with some of the city’s most high-profile people. There was Mayor Julian Castro, former mayor and Clinton cabinet member Henry Cisneros, and no San Antonio power lunch would be complete without Spurs coach Gregg Popovich.


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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/02/gregg-popovich-had-a-lunch-date-with-bill-clinton/
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http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2014/02/26/pop-dines-with-clinton-castro-cisneros/

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[tmtcsc]

Ugggh, Pop and his lefty politics. Not my cup of tea.

[HI-FI]

Ugggh, Pop and his lefty politics. Not my cup of tea.

[cjw]

Don't love the political views, but not too bad to hang out with a former president. Especially when Pop's knowledge of wines goes well with the Prez being an expert on cigars.

[dbestpro]

Ugggh, Pop and his lefty politics. Not my cup of tea.

That's where the whole small ball concept came from.

[gameFACE]

Fuck yeah! Go Pop!

[Spur|n|Austin]

Ugggh, Pop and his lefty politics. Not my cup of tea.

Far left at that, but I do like all those men at the table. Wouldn't have minded being a fly on the wall at Mi Tierra today.

[Libri]

meh, now if it was Pop and Putin then :wow

[KL2]

Butt hurt republicans lol

[ElNono]

At least Pop didn't do an ACA commercial (yet)...

[Spur|n|Austin]

Butt hurt republicans lol

lol at you thinking because people stated that Pop is far left that they are Republican.

[Boomersgold]

"Pop, Clinton, Cisneros, & Castro Walk into a Restaraunt (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229708&p=7159553)...." What's the punchline?

[hater]

Spurs share the ball and noone is worth more than any other.

Spurs are a socialist team no doubt. And we all socialists for supporting them TBH

[Trainwreck2100]

"Pop, Clinton, Cisneros, & Castro Walk into a Restaraunt (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229708&p=7159553)...." What's the punchline?

6

[Trainwreck2100]

At least Pop didn't do an ACA commercial (yet)...

Iirc he thinks it's shit

[ElNono]

Iirc he thinks it's shit

he's not alone

[Maddog]

Spurs share the ball and noone is worth more than any other.

Spurs are a socialist team no doubt. And we all socialists for supporting them TBH
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1a/Red_Rose_%28Socialism%29.svg

[EVAY]

Thing is, there is no way that Clinton would have eaten whatever that platterful of food was if it involved meat. He has become a vegan for health reasons.

[DMC]

Thing is, there is no way that Clinton would have eaten whatever that platterful of food was if it involved meat. He has become a vegan for health reasons.

Bet he would have wanted to though.

[313]

"Pop, Clinton, Cisneros, & Castro Walk into a Restaraunt (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229708&p=7159553)...." What's the punchline?


I'm still waiting for the joke as well.

OP, plz deliver.

[Kidd K]

Who fuckin cares about Pop's political views? Have you guys been angry that most of the teams winning NBA titles have been from blue cities and states too? Boston, LA, Chicago. . .all blue cities in blue states.

Just enjoy the basketball. And imo it's cool Pop got invited to a meal w/ Bill Clinton.

[urunobili]

Pop is Dem? all this after gay marriage was approved in TX? wow... :stirpot:

[Darius McCrary]

Wow Bill Clinton looks like he's knocking on heaven's door

[EVAY]

Bet he would have wanted to though.

no doubt.

[Budkin]

I'm your typical Austin hippie type so I enjoyed seeing this but tbh one of the best things about SpursTalk is that we're all Spurs fans across political lines. Fighting about politics gets exhausting and it's depressing as fuck.

[Seventyniner]

Fighting about politics gets exhausting and it's depressing as fuck.

There's a subforum for that anyway. You know what they say, nobody ever wins an argument about religion or politics.

[td4mvp2k]

Pop needz to fuk wit da politics n do your fukn job tbh

[Spur|n|Austin]

Pop needz to fuk wit da politics n do your fukn job tbh

And you need to learn how to not write like an inner city 8 year old, but he's not complaining about you is he?

[lefty]

Lefty politics FTW

[td4mvp2k]

And you need to learn how to not write like an inner city 8 year old, but he's not complaining about you is he?:sleep

[td4mvp2k]

Far left at that, but I do like all those men at the table. Wouldn't have minded being a fly on the wall at Mi Tierra today.:lol im sure u would be a fly on der dik like dis sh*t thread tbh

[Skull-1]

Ugggh, Pop and his lefty politics. Not my cup of tea.


"I'll take three left wing losers and a side of basketball coach."

[Spur|n|Austin]

:lol im sure u would be a fly on der dik like dis sh*t thread tbh

Who's der?

[td4mvp2k]

Who's der?how did u kno it waz a who? :lol

[SpurPadre]

Ugggh, Pop and his lefty politics. Not my cup of tea.

It is my cup of tea, show that ultra-conservative red state there's still some good liberals there, POP!

[PublicOption]

smart people don't listen to FOX.

[Skull-1]

smart people don't listen to FOX.


Yes, Vicente was a socialist.

[poop]

Wow Bill Clinton looks like he's knocking on hell's door

Fixed



If i worked in the kitchen there id have taken a shit in their food...cant stand these liberal pols...wtf Pop!!

[boutons_deux]

Wow Bill Clinton looks like he's knocking on heaven's door

he was until he had a coronary bypass, went vegetarian, and lost many 10s of pounds.

In your view, not being a neckless greasehead means you're close to death?

[Skull-1]

he was until he had a coronary bypass, went vegetarian, and lost many 10s of pounds.

In your view, not being a neckless greasehead means you're close to death?


No, no, but looking like a corpse does.

[Aztecfan03]

Who's der?
Maybe he's trying to mix some german in.

[xmas1997]

Republicans still crying in their single malt scotch over the way things have turned against them.
:lol

[rastaspur]

ThCoach pop is a smart man. Smart enough not to align himself with the cesspool which is the far right and tea party. Thats babylon. I and i lrespect the hell out of pop. He understands global politics and sees the world from a unique and keen perspective. I

[sammy]

ThCoach pop is a smart man. Smart enough not to align himself with the cesspool which is the far right and tea party. Thats babylon. I and i lrespect the hell out of pop. He understands global politics and sees the world from a unique and keen perspective. I

Great post!

[Skull-1]

ThCoach pop is a smart man. Smart enough not to align himself with the cesspool which is the far right and tea party. Thats babylon. I and i lrespect the hell out of pop. He understands global politics and sees the world from a unique and keen perspective. I


Sit and be quiet child.

You are an ignorant political noob. Oh the horror of the Tea Party. Balanced budgets, liberty, and small government so men can live freely. Make it stop!! :rolleyes

Far right. Lmao! The Republicans of today are yesterday's Democrats. The "middle" continues to be pushed left to the point that there is no right wing any more.


Yeah, global politics are so important to understand and we should be like the rest of the world. Riiiiiiight..... That's why the entire f'ing world is beating down the doors to come to the US and not the other way around. :lol

If you like left wing tyranny you have the entire rest of the world to occupy. Go to it and leave the freedom-loving, self-reliant types alone. We will keep America and prosper. Now... Stop screwing up our nation and go live in Cuba!

[Skull-1]

Great post!


:lmao


Would be funny if it weren't so sad.

[Aztecfan03]

Sit and be quiet child.

You are an ignorant political noob. Oh the horror of the Tea Party. Balanced budgets, liberty, and small government so men can live freely. Make it stop!! :rolleyes

Far right. Lmao! The Republicans of today are yesterday's Democrats. The "middle" continues to be pushed left to the point that there is no right wing any more.


Yeah, global politics are so important to understand. That's why the entire f'ing world is beating down the doors to come to the US and not the other way around. :lol

If you like left wing tyranny you have the entire rest of the world to occupy. Go to it and leave the freedom-loving, self-reliant types alone. We will keep America and prosper. Now... Stop screwing up our nation and go live in Cuba!
RACIIST! :p:

[Skull-1]

RACIIST! :p:


LOL.

[rastaspur]

Ignorance is bliss. Americans are so fucking stupid nowadays. 10 year old kids in india are intellectually superior to most american adults. Politicians and lobbyists are destroying this fucking country but most of america is too dumb to realize it. I live in the south and the stupidity of rednecks never ceases to amaze me.

[rastaspur]

And also. I aint your child. If i were i would voluntarily drown myself in the tub.

[superjames1992]

And also. I aint your child. If i were i would voluntarily drown myself in the tub.
The irony. Nice grammar. I can tell you're bright.

[Skull-1]

Ignorance is bliss. Americans are so fucking stupid nowadays. 10 year old kids in india are intellectually superior to most american adults. Politicians and lobbyists are destroying this fucking country but most of america is too dumb to realize it. I live in the south and the stupidity of rednecks never ceases to amaze me.

The ignorance of Democrats makes rednecks look smart.

[Skull-1]

And also. I aint your child. If i were i would voluntarily drown myself in the tub.


Whatever it takes to keep you from voting. Don't need you dragging the rest of us down with you. Then again, dying never stops a demonrat from "voting".

[Skull-1]

The irony. Nice grammar. I can tell you're bright.

:lmao :toast

[xmas1997]

The fact that young Bush was elected twice speaks volumes about the rampant ignorance in this country.
All they had to do was look at what he did to Texas as governor to see how he almost ruined the state.
Seems the people should have learned how much an idiot he was from his first term, but nooooooooooo.
Pop is a very smart intelligent man and surrounds himself with equally smart intelligent individuals, that cannot be denied.
Like seeks like.

[rastaspur]

People like skull one are the reason why america is becoming the prince nassem hamed as far as its opinion of itself. Cocky, ignorant and a ridiculous sense of. Superiority. Its a slippery slope.

[Birn]

Libs are so incredibly naive....

[Skull-1]

The fact that young Bush was elected twice speaks volumes about the rampant ignorance in this country.
All they had to do was look at what he did to Texas as governor to see how he almost ruined the state.
Seems the people should have learned how much an idiot he was from his first term, but nooooooooooo.
Pop is a very smart intelligent man and surrounds himself with equally smart intelligent individuals, that cannot be denied.
Like seeks like.


Almost ruined the state? What? :lmao Ignorance. The Governor of Texas is not that powerful. Thank gawd we got rid of that old maid Ann Richards. Signing the concealed carry law and telling the EPA to get f'ed was enough for me to say Bush did fine as Governor...


Bush sucked as a President but we didn't have much choice considering the alternatives (Algore and Heinz lmfao!) but at least he was pro-gun, pro-economic growth, and willing to take the fight to the enemy.

We don't have any Reagans or Jeffersons on the ballot any more. We have bad and worse. Bush was a moderate. In some ways a leftist.

[rastaspur]

I am really stupid and ignorant. I have been exposed. How i graduated from college, finished law school and med school is beyond me.

[Birn]

Sit and be quiet child.

You are an ignorant political noob. Oh the horror of the Tea Party. Balanced budgets, liberty, and small government so men can live freely. Make it stop!! :rolleyes

Far right. Lmao! The Republicans of today are yesterday's Democrats. The "middle" continues to be pushed left to the point that there is no right wing any more.


Yeah, global politics are so important to understand and we should be like the rest of the world. Riiiiiiight..... That's why the entire f'ing world is beating down the doors to come to the US and not the other way around. :lol

If you like left wing tyranny you have the entire rest of the world to occupy. Go to it and leave the freedom-loving, self-reliant types alone. We will keep America and prosper. Now... Stop screwing up our nation and go live in Cuba!

Great post!!! +1

[Skull-1]

People like skull one are the reason why america is becoming the prince nassem hamed as far as its opinion of itself. Cocky, ignorant and a ridiculous sense of. Superiority. Its a slippery slope.


Yes, because America became great through high taxes, over regulation, appeasement, and a lack of confidence coupled with a "you didn't build that" attitude.

"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things. Not because they are easy, but because they are hard" got replaced with "It isn't fair I am a poor lazy slob. Give me free stuff now. America sucks. The rest of the world is better than we are. Pride in yourself and your country is a vice. Racist!" :lmao

[rastaspur]

I am not a lib. Hate politics. Both sides of the equation. The lesser evil is to the left. My party is me. I dont let others think for me. Neither does pop. Hence the admiration and respect.

[Birn]

Almost ruined the state? What? :lmao Ignorance. The Governor of Texas is not that powerful. Thank gawd we got rid of that old maid Ann Richards. Signing the concealed carry law and telling the EPA to get f'ed was enough for me to say Bush did fine as Governor...


Bush sucked as a President but we didn't have much choice considering the alternatives (Algore and Heinz lmfao!) but at least he was pro-gun, pro-economic growth, and willing to take the fight to the enemy.

We we don't have any Reagans or Jeffersons on the ballot. Bush was a moderate. In some ways a leftist.

What's even more hilarious is these same posters who praise Pop's intelligence regarding politics are the same people who bitch and moan about how incredibly stupid he is as a coach. Always complaining how he doesn't know how to use players, run plays, make trades, sign free agents, etc. Hell many of them have wanted to get rid of him and get what they consider "a real coach". Just way too funny how hypocritical these little liberals can be.

[Skull-1]

I am really stupid and ignorant. I have been exposed. How i graduated from college, finished law school and med school is beyond me.


Perfect. Obamacare's newest robot. Someone had to finish in the bottom half. Why not you?

Most doctors are book smart and latent in their social development. Give it a few years and hopefully you will find a clue.

[Skull-1]

I am not a lib. Hate politics. Both sides of the equation. The lesser evil is to the left. My party is me. I dont let others think for me. Neither does pop. Hence the admiration and respect.


That's silly. The only non-evil is a Constitutionalist. Anything else is a slippery slope, the only difference is what liberty you lose and how fast.

[rastaspur]

Ignorant. You assume im a lib. Bad assumption. I am fiscally conservative without a self righteous stick lodged up my ass. There is not one politician in dc that i would piss on if. He/shewas on fire. Like i said. My political party consists of one person. I Am not a puppet but prefer to think for myself

[Skull-1]

What's even more hilarious is these same posters who praise Pop's intelligence regarding politics are the same people who bitch and moan about how incredibly stupid he is as a coach. Always complaining how he doesn't know how to use players, run plays, make trades, sign free agents, etc. Hell many of them have wanted to get rid of him and get what they consider "a real coach". Just way too funny how hypocritical these little liberals can be.


Old Pop = USA Pop = Tough American General Patton Pop
New Pop = Globalist Pop = Squishy/Weak/Banana Republic "Colonel" Pop

[Skull-1]

Ignorant. You assume im a lib. Bad assumption. I am fiscally conservative without a self righteous stick lodged up my ass. There is not one politician in dc that i would piss on if. He/shewas on fire. Like i said. My political party consists of one person. I Am not a puppet but prefer to think for myself


I agree here.

[skulls138]

Sit and be quiet child.

You are an ignorant political noob. Oh the horror of the Tea Party. Balanced budgets, liberty, and small government so men can live freely. Make it stop!! :rolleyes

Far right. Lmao! The Republicans of today are yesterday's Democrats. The "middle" continues to be pushed left to the point that there is no right wing any more.


Yeah, global politics are so important to understand and we should be like the rest of the world. Riiiiiiight..... That's why the entire f'ing world is beating down the doors to come to the US and not the other way around. :lol

If you like left wing tyranny you have the entire rest of the world to occupy. Go to it and leave the freedom-loving, self-reliant types alone. We will keep America and prosper. Now... Stop screwing up our nation and go live in Cuba!For one thing, you dont even know what the Tea Party was if youre calling yourself by that name. We have elections therefore making the term "Tea Party" irrelevant. Also if you have a group of people you will have a government, you will have police, theres no way around it. That its big is because we have alot of people. Shrink the government, the businesses take their place, is that what you want? You can vote out government, businesses can monopolize, raise the prices.

Last person to balance the budget was Bill Clinton, a democrat.

The republicans or right wing are not the party of freedom and people are not banging on our door because of them. Theyd have us all in sweat shops if it werent for the Democrats.

[Skull-1]

For one thing, you dont even know what the Tea Party was if youre calling yourself by that name. We have elections therefore making the term "Tea Party" irrelevant. Also if you have a group of people you will have a government, you will have police, theres no way around it. That its big is because we have alot of people. Shrink the government, the businesses take their place, is that what you want? You can vote out government, businesses can monopolize, raise the prices.

Last person to balance the budget was Bill Clinton, a democrat.

The republicans or right wing are not the party of freedom and people are not banging on our door because of them. Theyd have us all in sweat shops if it werent for the Democrats.


Bill Clinton did not balance the budget. That was Congress--Republicans. And it was an accounting trick. Without Social Security Revenue it was still a deficit.

We don't need a government this large for our population. That is a laughable and pathetic excuse.

Limited Government in charge of PROTECTING and ENSURING individual LIBERTY is what the Federal Government is charged with under our Constitution. It doesn't. It has gone off the rails and we are about a heartbeat away from it collapsing on itself.

The market will do a better job than the govt can. Always has. Always will. Central planning doesn't work. The initiative of the individual is what made America, not commandments from a king on high.

Thank Reagan for setting the agenda that got the economy moving, btw, otherwise Clinton would have been Carter's second term instead of Obozo.

[itzsoweezee]

Bill Clinton did not balance the budget. That was Congress--Republicans. And it was an accounting trick. Without Social Security Revenue it was still a deficit.

We don't need a government this large for our population. That is a laughable and pathetic excuse.

Limited Government in charge of PROTECTING and ENSURING individual LIBERTY is what it is supposed to do. It doesn't. It has gone off the rails and we are about a heartbeat away from it collapsing on itself.

Thank Reagan for setting the agenda that got the economy moving, otherwise Clinton would have been Carter's second term instead of Obozo.

Reagan was a criminal. He got what he deserved in the end.

[Skull-1]

Reagan was a criminal. He got what he deserved in the end.

:fishing

[ElNono]

People like skull one are the reason why america is becoming the prince nassem hamed as far as its opinion of itself. Cocky, ignorant and a ridiculous sense of. Superiority. Its a slippery slope.

America in general isn't like that, though. The Tea Party is probably the best that ever happened to team blue politically speaking, and the "base" of team red (whose most fervent supporters are some of these southerners) are no longer enough to win national elections. (BTW, neither is the "base" of team blue, which amplifies moderates). Demographics have changed, and the writing is on the wall for some of these dinosaurs, especially those trying to sell the political loser that's social conservatism.

Fiscal conservatism is a much easier sell though, but it has to come with more centered social aspect.

In the name of power-shifts, I'm hoping the GOP regains control of Congress this year, but I'm fully aware they're one Todd Akin away from fucking it up.

[Skull-1]

America in general isn't like that, though. The Tea Party is probably the best that ever happened to team blue politically speaking, and the "base" of team red (whose most fervent supporters are some of these southerners) are no longer enough to win national elections. (BTW, neither is the "base" of team blue, which amplifies moderates). Demographics have changed, and the writing is on the wall for some of these dinosaurs, especially those trying to sell the political loser that's social conservatism.

Fiscal conservatism is a much easier sell though, but it has to come with more centered social aspect.

In the name of power-shifts, I'm hoping the GOP regains control of Congress this year, but I'm fully aware they're one Todd Akin away from fucking it up.

Demographic shift - aka being overrun by ignorant third worlders looking for a handout over a job. Yay. We will all be better off once the grifters run everything!


Centered social aspect? Wtf? You mean let you have abortions and shoot up drugs but take away my guns and pickup truck. You want freedom for you but not for me. You want your hand in my pocket, doctor's office, and bedroom. Tell me what I can eat or drive. Ad nauseum.

No thanks.


I will let you do your thing. Leave me alone to do mine. But that's not good enough. You people think you know better than I what's best for me and that's ridiculous.

[ElNono]

Demographic shift - aka being overrun by ignorant third worlders looking for a handout over a job. Yay. We will all be better off once the grifters run everything!

Centered social aspect? Wtf? You mean let you have abortions and shoot up drugs but take away my guns and pickup truck. You want freedom for you but not for me. You want your hand in my pocket, doctor's office, and bedroom. Tell me what I can eat or drive. Ad nauseum.

No thanks.

I will let you do your thing. Leave me alone to do mine. But that's not good enough. You people think you know better than I what's best for me and that's ridiculous.

It's not "me". I support the 2nd amendment fully. I think the ACA is a piece of shit.

But none of those are the usual electoral social wedge issues: religion, abortion, the minority classes (immigration, blacks, gays, etc)... (although I suspect the ACA might end up being in '16, but not a sure thing either)

[HemisfairArena]

When there is a candidate and party that support:

1. Getting illegals out of the country.
2. Letting a person decide what they want to do with their body.
3. Allow the right to bear arms.
4. Allow any sex the right to be together and be happy.
5. Stop being the police of the world.
6. Stop giving aid to countries that hate us.
7. Reduce welfare and make the freeloaders get a job.
8. Make the rich pay their fair share of tax.
9. Term limits on all politicians.
10. Healthcare fixed from the mess it is now.
11. Every racial slur banned or none at all.....that includes the word "redneck".

...until you have a candidate and party for the people that would support these for starters...this country will continue to fail under the idiots that support the Democratic and Republican parties.

[PublicOption]

Libs are so incredibly naive....

I really don't think Pop is naive......sad thing is you know that. This has you questioning your whole belief system :lol
:toast

[Birn]

I really don't think Pop is naive......sad thing is you know that. This has you questioning your whole belief system :lol
:toast

I have news for you, comrade. Pop is not a lib.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Skull is the king of binary thinking. Has he started name dropping people that he helped get out of airplanes yet?

[ElNono]

When there is a candidate and party that support:

1. Getting illegals out of the country.
2. Letting a person decide what they want to do with their body.
3. Allow the right to bear arms.
4. Allow any sex the right to be together and be happy.
5. Stop being the police of the world.
6. Stop giving aid to countries that hate us.
7. Reduce welfare and make the freeloaders get a job.
8. Make the rich pay their fair share of tax.
9. Term limits on all politicians.
10. Healthcare fixed from the mess it is now.
11. Every racial slur banned or none at all.....that includes the word "redneck".

...until you have a candidate and party for the people that would support these for starters...this country will continue to fail under the idiots that support the Democratic and Republican parties.

This is fine by me... this is more of a center position... the problem nowadays though is that if you come up with a position like that, you "compromised", you're squishy/RINO...

[HemisfairArena]

This is fine by me... this is more of a center position... the problem nowadays though is that if you come up with a position like that, you "compromised", you're squishy/RINO...

Yeah.....sucks for people like me. We watch as the extremists on the left and right try and destroy each other with our nation as collateral damage.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, because America became great through high taxes, over regulation, appeasement, and a lack of confidence coupled with a "you didn't build that" attitude.

"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things. Not because they are easy, but because they are hard" got replaced with "It isn't fair I am a poor lazy slob. Give me free stuff now. America sucks. The rest of the world is better than we are. Pride in yourself and your country is a vice. Racist!" :lmao

This is pretty fucking ignorant. When did the US become a hegemony? Was it during the time of laissez faire as you pretend?

It wasn't but by all means regurgitate the RNC narrative like a mindless buffoon.

[DeadlyDynasty]

"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things. Not because they are easy, but because they are hard" got replaced with "It isn't fair I am a poor lazy slob. Give me free stuff now. America sucks. The rest of the world is better than we are. Pride in yourself and your country is a vice. Racist!" :lmao

truthbombs

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have news for you, comrade. Pop is not a lib.

He donates regularly to the Democratic party which by US political standards is the liberal party. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

[skulls138]

Limited Government in charge of PROTECTING and ENSURING individual LIBERTY is what the Federal Government is charged with under our Constitution. It doesn't. It has gone off the rails and we are about a heartbeat away from it collapsing on itself.

The market will do a better job than the govt can. Always has. Always will. Central planning doesn't work. The initiative of the individual is what made America, not commandments from a king on high.Individual liberty? Thats a nice catch phrase thats gets real blurry after some thought. Republicans idea of liberty is only the strong survive, which gets us right back to tyranny. The only liberty we have is the right to vote, where everybody has a say no matter their lot in life and unfortunately sometimes level of intelligence. And because the government voted in is a government that will take care of the poor more than the other, a bigger government will happen. This is the government as you said, "ensuring our individual liberties". It is what it is.

Also the market does well with regulation something the right wing want nothing to do with.

[Birn]

He donates regularly to the Democratic party which by US political standards is the liberal party. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

He's donated to both parties, my friend. He doesn't identify with either party. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch is it not, fuzzy dumbass?

[TDfan2007]

Demographic shift - aka being overrun by ignorant third worlders looking for a handout over a job. Yay. We will all be better off once the grifters run everything!


Centered social aspect? Wtf? You mean let you have abortions and shoot up drugs but take away my guns and pickup truck. You want freedom for you but not for me. You want your hand in my pocket, doctor's office, and bedroom. Tell me what I can eat or drive. Ad nauseum.

No thanks.


I will let you do your thing. Leave me alone to do mine. But that's not good enough. You people think you know better than I what's best for me and that's ridiculous.


You're generalizing to a ridiculous extent. This country has not been trending downward simply due to the actions of its marginalized people. You want a good idea as to why things have unfolded the way the have? Just follow the money. Reagan wasn't the demigod that right wingers make him out to be, the same way that Clinton wasn't the superhero president that many on the left believe him to be. The truth about those two men, as with many things in politics, lies somewhere in between the two extremes, but getting to that point is difficult.

Just about all of your posts in this thread have been very black and white "company line" right wing statements. Life and society are very complex, and in order for the Free Market and more reserved government approach to work (one with virtually no regulations, etc.), the individuals in a society need to show a certain level of altruism and develop a certain level of education/understanding. Unfortunately, America is sorely lacking in both, and has been for some time.

Our quality/efficacy of education is plummeting, and because of our "melting pot" status, we are now filled with groups of people who are too busy igniting class/racial warfare to stop and work with one another to achieve common goals.

"It's my hard-working money, why give it to someone who is just going to freeload?" "They're just a bunch of capitalist pigs," and on and on ad nauseum.

Also, this next comment is not just for Skull: If your go-to move in political discussion is to whine about politicians, and you've never made any attempt to contact your rep/senator, participate in political forums, or vote for anything outside of president, then please STFU. You're part of the problem.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He's donated to both parties, my friend. He doesn't identify with either party. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch is it not, fuzzy dumbass?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/1257/the-democrats-and-republicans-of-the-nba

ESPN says otherwise.

So does Sports Illustrated.


Popovich also owns up to being a political liberal, which gives an interesting edge to conversations with his old buddies on the Air Force Academy endowment committee and with Spurs owner Peter Holt, a GOP contributor.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1207572/2/index.htm

Have any more stories to tell?

[TDfan2007]

When there is a candidate and party that support:

1. Getting illegals out of the country.
2. Letting a person decide what they want to do with their body.
3. Allow the right to bear arms.
4. Allow any sex the right to be together and be happy.
5. Stop being the police of the world.
6. Stop giving aid to countries that hate us.
7. Reduce welfare and make the freeloaders get a job.
8. Make the rich pay their fair share of tax.
9. Term limits on all politicians.
10. Healthcare fixed from the mess it is now.
11. Every racial slur banned or none at all.....that includes the word "redneck".

...until you have a candidate and party for the people that would support these for starters...this country will continue to fail under the idiots that support the Democratic and Republican parties.

This (although I'd change 1. to "better stop illegals from getting in")...


This is fine by me... this is more of a center position... the problem nowadays though is that if you come up with a position like that, you "compromised", you're squishy/RINO...

...and this!

[TDfan2007]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/1257/the-democrats-and-republicans-of-the-nba

ESPN says otherwise.

So does Sports Illustrated.



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1207572/2/index.htm


I'll say this about Pop's political views: Pop is a very worldly, well-learned, intelligent, and thoughtful individual, so I have no doubt that his political ideals are VERY informed. That's all that I would ask of anyone, regardless of where their views lie. I highly doubt that Pop is a complete liberal on every issue, but rather a majority of his views may align with that side. No need to hate. I doubt anyone spewing derisive comments in this thread would fare well in a political debate with him...

[Skull-1]

It's not "me". I support the 2nd amendment fully. I think the ACA is a piece of shit.

But none of those are the usual electoral social wedge issues: religion, abortion, the minority classes (immigration, blacks, gays, etc)... (although I suspect the ACA might end up being in '16, but not a sure thing either)

Oh, I see. Well, there have been other demographic shifts. But back then it was sink or swim and we occasionally took a pause to assimilate people. Now we pander and create subcultures that Balkanize. It is the end of the nation.

To your other point, the ACA is the ultimate class warfare issue as only the elites will be able to get care with it. But the ignorant new immigrants don't know any better so they keep pulling the D lever and the Rs are afraid to be called names so they fold like lawn chairs...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'll say this about Pop's political views: Pop is a very worldly, well-learned, intelligent, and thoughtful individual, so I have no doubt that his political ideals are VERY informed. That's all that I would ask of anyone, regardless of where their views lie. I highly doubt that Pop is a complete liberal on every issue, but rather a majority of his views may align with that side. No need to hate. I doubt anyone spewing derisive comments in this thread would fare well in a political debate with him...

Of course. Binary pigeonholing is an oversimplification that the ignorant and stupid hold onto. That being said he donates to the DNC and calls himself a liberal.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh, I see. Well, there have been other demographic shifts. Nut back then it was sink or swim and we occasionally took a pause to assimilate people. Now we pander and create subcultures that Balkanize. It is the end of the nation. To your other point, the ACA is the ultimate class warfare issue as only the elites will be able to get care with it. But the ignorant new immigrants don't know any better so they keep pulling the D lever and the Rs are afraid to be called names so they fold like lawn chairs...

You have to love the fear of the older white male. It's pretty sad really.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

When there is a candidate and party that support:

1. Getting illegals out of the country.
2. Letting a person decide what they want to do with their body.
3. Allow the right to bear arms.
4. Allow any sex the right to be together and be happy.
5. Stop being the police of the world.
6. Stop giving aid to countries that hate us.
7. Reduce welfare and make the freeloaders get a job.
8. Make the rich pay their fair share of tax.
9. Term limits on all politicians.
10. Healthcare fixed from the mess it is now.
11. Every racial slur banned or none at all.....that includes the word "redneck".

...until you have a candidate and party for the people that would support these for starters...this country will continue to fail under the idiots that support the Democratic and Republican parties.

The bottom 50% should start paying at least 1 penny of federal income tax, IMO. They pay $0 currently.

[Skull-1]

Individual liberty? Thats a nice catch phrase thats gets real blurry after some thought. Republicans idea of liberty is only the strong survive, which gets us right back to tyranny. The only liberty we have is the right to vote, where everybody has a say no matter their lot in life and unfortunately sometimes level of intelligence. And because the government voted in is a government that will take care of the poor more than the other, a bigger government will happen. This is the government as you said, "ensuring our individual liberties". It is what it is.

Also the market does well with regulation something the right wing want nothing to do with.


It isn't the government's job to equalize outcomes.

Voting is tyranny of the majority. We are a REPUBLIC not a democracy. If you want liberal big government move to California. But you have no right to dictate to Wyoming what it does.

We the people are supposed to be free to pursue happiness. It isn't the role of the government to "spread the wealth around". Equality of opportunity not outcome. If you want equal outcome try North Korea.

As the government grows liberty declines. Period. If you want that crap go to China.

[Skull-1]

This is fine by me... this is more of a center position... the problem nowadays though is that if you come up with a position like that, you "compromised", you're squishy/RINO...


No words should be banned. That's like religious book burning. Words are words to be used as one sees fit.

[skulls138]

You're generalizing to a ridiculous extent. This country has not been trending downward simply due to the actions of its marginalized people. You want a good idea as to why things have unfolded the way the have? Just follow the money. Reagan wasn't the demigod that right wingers make him out to be, the same way that Clinton wasn't the superhero president that many on the left believe him to be. The truth about those two men, as with many things in politics, lies somewhere in between the two extremes, but getting to that point is difficult.

Just about all of your posts in this thread have been very black and white "company line" right wing statements. Life and society are very complex, and in order for the Free Market and more reserved government approach to work (one with virtually no regulations, etc.), the individuals in a society need to show a certain level of altruism and develop a certain level of education/understanding. Unfortunately, America is sorely lacking in both, and has been for some time.

Our quality/efficacy of education is plummeting, and because of our "melting pot" status, we are now filled with groups of people who are too busy igniting class/racial warfare to stop and work with one another to achieve common goals.

"It's my hard-working money, why give it to someone who is just going to freeload?" "They're just a bunch of capitalist pigs," and on and on ad nauseum.

Also, this next comment is not just for Skull: If your go-to move in political discussion is to whine about politicians, and you've never made any attempt to contact your rep/senator, participate in political forums, or vote for anything outside of president, then please STFU. You're part of the problem.This isnt a truth bomb so much as just the truth. Neither left nor right, just scientific, except the last paragraph

[Skull-1]

The bottom 50% should start paying at least 1 penny of federal income tax, IMO. They pay $0 currently.


Cap it at ten percent. Start at one and work your way up. If the Feds can't get'r done with that...tough.

[Birn]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/1257/the-democrats-and-republicans-of-the-nba

ESPN says otherwise.

So does Sports Illustrated.



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1207572/2/index.htm

Have any more stories to tell?

He donated $2000 one time to the failed presidential bid of John Edwards back in 2000 and to BO in 2008. Hardly makes him a shill for democrats. The author of the sports illustrated article never actually quoted Pop saying that he was a liberal. He took literary license with that statement. Pop has also supported George Bush when he ran for Governor and while he was President. Attending various functions in support of his policies, especially after 9/11. I was at two functions in SA where he actually introduced Bush at an event at Sunset Station. He's a political mutt, self-admittedly.

[DeadlyDynasty]

The bottom 50% should start paying at least 1 penny of federal income tax, IMO. They pay $0 currently.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It isn't the government's job to equalize outcomes.

Voting is tyranny of the majority. We are a REPUBLIC not a democracy. If you want liberal big government move to California. But you have no right to dictate to Wyoming what it does.

We the people are supposed to be free to pursue happiness. It isn't the role of the government to "spread the wealth around". Equality of opportunity not outcome. If you want equal outcome try North Korea.

As the government grows liberty declines. Period. If you want that crap go to China.

The US is defined as a republic as well as a liberal democracy. The terms are not mutually exclusive. What is clear is that you have no concept of political theory. I would recommend reading Social Contract. The idea of a liberal democracy is the government is created to protect the rights of the people. It was the entire idea of the Bill of Rights.

This is an example of binary thinking. Government and liberty are not an inverse relationship. Taht you need to dumb it down to make a statement is sad.

[baseline bum]

Butt hurt republicans lol

:lol Pop must be one of the 47%

[DeadlyDynasty]

Force the poor to do gladiator fights and I will redistribute some of my wealth to the winners in exchange.

[BatManu20]

Hooray for lefties. Pop knows what's up

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He donated $2000 one time to the failed presidential bid of John Edwards back in 2000 and to BO in 2008. Hardly makes him a shill for democrats. The author of the sports illustrated article never actually quoted Pop saying that he was a liberal. He took literary license with that statement. Pop has also supported George Bush when he ran for Governor and while he was President. Attending various functions in support of his policies, especially after 9/11. I was at two functions in SA where he actually introduced Bush at an event at Sunset Station. He's a political mutt, self-admittedly.

How about you back that up with something. I just gave two links that directly contradict your claim.

[illusioNtEk]

CIA POP in the works.... Stay tuned

[ElNono]

Oh, I see. Well, there have been other demographic shifts. But back then it was sink or swim and we occasionally took a pause to assimilate people. Now we pander and create subcultures that Balkanize. It is the end of the nation.

To your other point, the ACA is the ultimate class warfare issue as only the elites will be able to get care with it. But the ignorant new immigrants don't know any better so they keep pulling the D lever and the Rs are afraid to be called names so they fold like lawn chairs...

Immigration has been in this country forever. It always has been a political tool. Heck, the last president to sign a full blown amnesty was Reagan. The nation will move on. Strategically though, if Pedro isn't voting red and multiplying like rabbits, then perhaps red team needs to stop calling Pedro a moron and start trying to figure out how they're going to get some of those votes. You want to effect change, you need power. You get power by getting elected into office. That equation never changed.

[ElNono]

Force the poor to do gladiator fights and I will redistribute some of my wealth to the winners in exchange.

:lol

[baseline bum]

Force the poor to do gladiator fights and I will redistribute some of my wealth to the winners in exchange.

I wish they did that for the banks to win bailouts in 2008 tbh.

[Aztecfan03]

This is fine by me... this is more of a center position... the problem nowadays though is that if you come up with a position like that, you "compromised", you're squishy/RINO...

I can just never get behind someone who agrees with number 2. People should have the choice to have sex, but if a fetus results it isn't fair to throw that life away because you don't want it. The rest of that list i mostly agree with.

[rastaspur]

[QUOTE=Skull-1;7161047]Perfect. Obamacare's newest robot. Someone had to finish in the bottom half. Why not you?

Most doctors are book smart and latent in their social development. Give it a few years and hopefully you will find


Lol. Vanderbilt grad with honors. Cum laude at harvard law school. LLM from nyu. Med school at. Stanford. Underpriviledged youth who busted his ass and earned full scholarships at each school. Keep assuming. Let me make assumptions about you. Failed out of devry. Lol

[Blake]

That's silly. The only non-evil is a Constitutionalist.

That's sillier. The Constitution has evil in it.

[rastaspur]

America in general isn't like that, though. The Tea Party is probably the best that ever happened to team blue politically speaking, and the "base" of team red (whose most fervent supporters are some of these southerners) are no longer enough to win national elections. (BTW, neither is the "base" of team blue, which amplifies moderates). Demographics have changed, and the writing is on the wall for some of these dinosaurs, especially those trying to sell the political loser that's soconservatism.

Fiscal conservatism is a much easier sell though, but it has to come with more centered social aspect.

In the name of power-shifts, I'm hoping the GOP regains control of Congress this year, but I'm fully aware they're one Todd Akin away from fucking it up.

Quality post. Kudos

[Aztecfan03]

The bottom 50% should start paying at least 1 penny of federal income tax, IMO. They pay $0 currently.

pretty sure it's not that many people that pay 0. http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

[ElNono]

I can just never get behind someone who agrees with number 2. People should have the choice to have sex, but if a fetus results it isn't fair to throw that life away because you don't want it. The rest of that list i mostly agree with.

I'm ok with the balance the SCOTUS struck in Roe vs Wade. I don't necessarily agree 100% with every point in the list, but put together they're reasonable enough for me.

[Blake]

Lol. Vanderbilt grad with honors. Cum laude at harvard law school. LLM from nyu. Med school at. Stanford. Underpriviledged youth who busted his ass and earned full scholarships at each school. Keep assuming. Let me make assumptions about you. Failed out of devry. Lol

I'm thinking of going to college and if I were to rank them, would Vanderbilt be a better school to attend than UTSA?

thanks in advance!

[rastaspur]

Yeah.....sucks for people like me. We watch as the extremists on the left and right try and destroy each other with our nation as collateral damage.

Well said.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

pretty sure it's not that many people that pay 0. http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

Their effective federal income tax is $0 because once they're done paying an average of 2.25%, they get that right back via an income tax return.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/pf/taxes/who_pays_taxes/?postversion=2009093012

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/why-do-half-of-all-americans-pay-no-federal-income-taxes/2011/07/11/gIQA8olBuI_blog.html

[Birn]

How about you back that up with something. I just gave two links that directly contradict your claim.

I don't need to show you any links. I was there at the events where he praised and introduced Bush. I saw him and heard him with my own eyes and ears. He even autographed a mini basketball for my daughter. Your link to SI only shows the writer assuming he's liberal with no direct quotes from Pop affirmatively stating his political affiliation. If you actually read that entire article, Pop never really wanted to spend any time talking to that hack from SI. Most of the info for the article were gathered from 3rd parties.

Pop has long been an ardent supporter for the military and their families, which is the opposite of how liberals view the military. They would rather gut military spending and cut veteran's pensions while increasing welfare benefits for teet-sucking parasites like yourself.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Oh, that's 2.25% of the total federal income tax revenue, not 2.25% of their income. Anyways, it doesn't matter. The bottom 50% pays $0 in federal income tax.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

[QUOTE=Skull-1;7161047]Perfect. Obamacare's newest robot. Someone had to finish in the bottom half. Why not you?

Most doctors are book smart and latent in their social development. Give it a few years and hopefully you will find


Lol. Vanderbilt grad with honors. Cum laude at harvard law school. LLM from nyu. Med school at. Stanford. Underpriviledged youth who busted his ass and earned full scholarships at each school. Keep assuming. Let me make assumptions about you. Failed out of devry. Lol

Nobody with those credentials would brag so crassly about it on an internet forum. I'll bet only a fraction of what you said is true. There's a way that a J.D., M.D., L.L.M would act and it's not "lolol i pwn."

[jARS mEsH sEt]

That's in response to rastaspur, not Skull-1.

[rastaspur]

I'm thinking of going to college and if I were to rank them, would Vanderbilt be a better school to attend than UTSA?

thanks in advance!
Don't know much about utsa. I dont like to assume. My theory is its not so much what school you go to. Put in the effort and exceed the goals you set out for yourself and 10 years down the road what school you attend. Doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things. I would hire a hard working utsa grad over some spoiled rich kid who's dad dropped 80 k a year so his resume would look pretty.

[Birn]

[QUOTE=rastaspur;7161249]

Nobody with those credentials would brag so crassly about it on an internet forum. I'll bet only a fraction of what you said is true. There's a way that a J.D., M.D., L.L.M would act and it's not "lolol i pwn."

LOL!!! You're probably right. This guy is full of garbage. Easy to spot a bullshitter.

[HI-FI]

Both Pop and Phil Jackson are liberal, but I always preferred Phil's political sensibilities. He just seems more independent, less of a company man than Pop. It's possible Pop does have some interesting thoughts on things, he's an interesting person, but from what I've read, I've dug Phil's take on things moreso. Phil basically telling ESPN and the media to fuck off with his Brokeback apology is just too classic. edit: :lol as seen below.

[DeadlyDynasty]

[QUOTE=rastaspur;7161249]

Nobody with those credentials would brag so crassly about it on an internet forum. I'll bet only a fraction of what you said is true. There's a way that a J.D., M.D., L.L.M would act and it's not "lolol i pwn."
Yup, you can't bullshit people on this forum.

[rastaspur]

[QUOTE=rastaspur;7161249]

Nobody with those credentials would brag so crassly about it on an internet forum. I'll bet only a fraction of what you said is true. There's a way that a J.D., M.D., L.L.M would act and it's not "lolol i pwn."

Assumptions. I wasn't aware i had to follow some protocol on how i act on an internet forum. Am i not allowed to laugh? Only referenced my history to prove a point about people making ridiculous assumptions because my opinions dont align with
His opinion. The same could be said of what you perceive to be appropriate behavior for someone with a degree or two. My educational background is immaterial. It was mentioned purely to disprove an assumption.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I have a 15 inch penis, 3 houses, and 7 cars. Trust me.

[Budkin]

I have a 15 inch penis, 3 houses, and 7 cars. Trust me.

How can we trust you with that avatar DD? :lol

[rastaspur]

[QUOTE=jARS mEsH sEt;7161308]
Yup, you can't bullshit people on this forum.

I must come clean. I have been exposed. I am a male nurse. My name is gaylord. Scratch that. That is a lie too. Pure fabrication. I am just a male waiter at sonic who doesn't even know how to rollerskate. I don't even know what an llm is. It sure does sound fancy though. And. The closest i came to a lawschool is when i tried to break into one to steal copper for drugs. I shall disappear and fade into oblivion now that a laker troll account has exposed me.

[DeadlyDynasty]

You exposed yourself when you tried to scoreboard your degrees on a basketball forum.

[rastaspur]

I have a 15 inch penis, 3 houses, and 7 cars. Trust me.

Lucky you. I have a 7 inch penis, one dog, one house and one vehicle. At least you have set forth a barometer of success that maybe one day i could hope to match. I am not jealous of your ad valorem taxes though. That must be one hefty bill. I would have to serve up tens of thousands of slushes to amass enough tip money to cover that bill.

[rastaspur]

You exposed yourself when you tried to scoreboard your degrees on a basketball forum.

Let's just agree to disagree. It is immaterial. Let's just assume i am full of shit like you suggest. I prefer it that way. On a side note, i also think kobe bryant is the greatest basketball player ever. Such a consumate professional and just an overall class act. Love how gasol, shaq and others rode on his superhero's cape to win some trophies. Kobe=goat

[jARS mEsH sEt]

[QUOTE=DeadlyDynasty;7161342]

I must come clean. I have been exposed. I am a male nurse. My name is gaylord. Scratch that. That is a lie too. Pure fabrication. I am just a male waiter at sonic who doesn't even know how to rollerskate. I don't even know what an llm is. It sure does sound fancy though. And. The closest i came to a lawschool is when i tried to break into one to steal copper for drugs. I shall disappear and fade into oblivion now that a laker troll account has exposed me.


Let's just agree to disagree. It is immaterial. Let's just assume i am full of shit like you suggest. I prefer it that way. On a side note, i also think kobe bryant is the greatest basketball player ever. Such a consumate professional and just an overall class act. Love how gasol, shaq and others rode on his superhero's cape to win some trophies. Kobe=goat

Your act of sarcastic self-deprecation isn't doing you any justice.

I almost want to grill you on medical knowledge that any competent Harvard M.D. would know (making sure that my questions are sufficiently esoteric that they aren't easily "google-able" by lay people or bright-eyed pre-meds), but I don't want to take the risk of embarrassing you further and I haven't yet decided which 1/3 of your 'credentials' post is actually true. It's probably the vanderbilt grad with honors.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't need to show you any links. I was there at the events where he praised and introduced Bush. I saw him and heard him with my own eyes and ears. He even autographed a mini basketball for my daughter. Your link to SI only shows the writer assuming he's liberal with no direct quotes from Pop affirmatively stating his political affiliation. If you actually read that entire article, Pop never really wanted to spend any time talking to that hack from SI. Most of the info for the article were gathered from 3rd parties.

Pop has long been an ardent supporter for the military and their families, which is the opposite of how liberals view the military. They would rather gut military spending and cut veteran's pensions while increasing welfare benefits for teet-sucking parasites like yourself.

Its a free country and you don't have to do anything. OTOH, if you want anyone to give you a shred of credibility then I would recommend corroborating what you claim. It's pretty well known that Popovich is a regular contributor to the democratic party. Their are multiple national articles that spell this out. Random internet fucktard posturing doesn't trump that. All you are doing here is showing that you are pigheaded.

I don't know what world you live in but not all military personnel are GOP. Your binary 'liberal = hate military' thought process just shows your method.

We can also see that you have nothing to back up your claim that he is a GOP supporter. You are saying that the SI article is lying when they say that Popovich calls himself liberal yet I have yet to see one shred of evidence of what you claim.

[james evans]

Ugggh, Pop and his lefty politics. Not my cup of tea.
they're all the same.. left/right, black/white, dem/rep..

[itsamanuthree]

People like skull one are the reason why america is becoming the prince nassem hamed as far as its opinion of itself. Cocky, ignorant and a ridiculous sense of. Superiority. Its a slippery slope.

+1

I just finished watching the movie Dallas Buyers Club and I liked it. Not very deep, but, still, I'm happy to see at least a part of America denouncing issues such as homophobia and, more importantly, how corporations having such an immense power in society, so big that it overshadows that of the state, leaves the common folk at the mercy of private interests which are not concerned with the general wellfare. I don't think they should, anyway, that's just what corporations seek, profit. It's the state and the people that must limit their actions when they harm society.

PS: Oh, and the concept of General wellfare is in the core of all democratic constitutions around the world. To question this concept is to question democracy itself.

PS2: :P And one more thing. If you want the state to reduce its influence over society, then you don't wan't the citizens to be free, because the most powerful citizens will use their resources to limit other citizens' freedom as to give themselves more and more freedom (in our societies this is achieved through money). And there it goes your concept of freedom for everyone.... it becomes more and more freedom for a few, less and less freedom for the rest. Which is what happens nowadays around the world, anyways.

[Sean Cagney]

they're all the same.. left/right, black/white, dem/rep..
Finally someone in here gets it! All a bunch of bullshit and lies and blah blah blah. I don't get into pile of tricks as I call it, all a bunch of crooks and liars and thieves, period. It is proven too over and over.

[rastaspur]

Finally someone in here gets it! All a bunch of bullshit and lies and blah blah blah. I don't get into pile of tricks as I call it, all a bunch of crooks and liars and thieves, period. It is proven too over and over.
Agreed. James came out of left field on me like a spider monkey but our train of thought is not far off. I dont trust oany of them. Maybe one or two politicians came to dc with their heart in the right place only to get pimped out by lobbyists and be indebted for life to some corporation or big contributor wanting to push his own selfish agenda. Glorified prostitues = politicians

[Skull-1]

Immigration has been in this country forever. It always has been a political tool. Heck, the last president to sign a full blown amnesty was Reagan. The nation will move on. Strategically though, if Pedro isn't voting red and multiplying like rabbits, then perhaps red team needs to stop calling Pedro a moron and start trying to figure out how they're going to get some of those votes. You want to effect change, you need power. You get power by getting elected into office. That equation never changed.


We we have never had immigration like now. Even the largest waves of Italians or Germans or Irish were still a tiny fraction of the whole compared to what is happening with immigration from Mexico. From linguistic, volume, and cultural standpoints it is entirely unprecedented and the effects are not good for anyone--regardless of ethnic background.

I wont even even get into the health and crime factors.


Yes, we will move on, and wind up like California. America is being colonized by the Third World. We aren't lifting them up, they're dragging us down. Simple fact. The Dems love it, too. More votes. More power. Divide and conquer.

[Skull-1]

I can just never get behind someone who agrees with number 2. People should have the choice to have sex, but if a fetus results it isn't fair to throw that life away because you don't want it. The rest of that list i mostly agree with.

+1

[Mel_13]

:lol

Pop has lunch with the mayor, a former mayor, and the former President of the United States and this thread ensues.

[Skull-1]

Perfect. Obamacare's newest robot. Someone had to finish in the bottom half. Why not you?

Most doctors are book smart and latent in their social development. Give it a few years and hopefully you will find


Lol. Vanderbilt grad with honors. Cum laude at harvard law school. LLM from nyu. Med school at. Stanford. Underpriviledged youth who busted his ass and earned full scholarships at each school. Keep assuming. Let me make assumptions about you. Failed out of devry. Lol

B.S. USCG Academy (3rd in class), MBA Economics, D.B.A. A&M. Speak three languages. Eagle Scout. ATP. And get a lot more p-ssy than you ever will. Anything else, idiot?

[Skull-1]

I'm ok with the balance the SCOTUS struck in Roe vs Wade. I don't necessarily agree 100% with every point in the list, but put together they're reasonable enough for me.


Balance? :lmao

[Skull-1]

I don't need to show you any links. I was there at the events where he praised and introduced Bush. I saw him and heard him with my own eyes and ears. He even autographed a mini basketball for my daughter. Your link to SI only shows the writer assuming he's liberal with no direct quotes from Pop affirmatively stating his political affiliation. If you actually read that entire article, Pop never really wanted to spend any time talking to that hack from SI. Most of the info for the article were gathered from 3rd parties.

Pop has long been an ardent supporter for the military and their families, which is the opposite of how liberals view the military. They would rather gut military spending and cut veteran's pensions while increasing welfare benefits for teet-sucking parasites like yourself.

Don't waste your time on FuzzyForeskins. He is an ignorant troll. Just put him on ignore. You will never get through to a guy who has his brains in his testicles....

[Skull-1]

Nobody with those credentials would brag so crassly about it on an internet forum. I'll bet only a fraction of what you said is true. There's a way that a J.D., M.D., L.L.M would act and it's not "lolol i pwn."

:toast






LOL!!! You're probably right. This guy is full of garbage. Easy to spot a bullshitter.


:toast






Yup, you can't bullshit people on this forum.

:toast

[Skull-1]

That's in response to rastaspur, not Skull-1.

Not your fault that a supposed PhD can't handle basic html and hosed up the quotations. What a clown.

[Skull-1]

Don't know much about utsa. I dont like to assume. My theory is its not so much what school you go to. Put in the effort and exceed the goals you set out for yourself and 10 years down the road what school you attend. Doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things. I would hire a hard working utsa grad over some spoiled rich kid who's dad dropped 80 k a year so his resume would look pretty.


Or....

It's.

Don't.

UTSA.

Doesn't.

Whose.

:lol

LMAO!!

:lmao

"Doctor."

:rollin

[Skull-1]

Assumptions. I wasn't aware i had to follow some protocol on how i act on an internet forum. Am i not allowed to laugh? Only referenced my history to prove a point about people making ridiculous assumptions because my opinions dont align with
His opinion. The same could be said of what you perceive to be appropriate behavior for someone with a degree or two. My educational background is immaterial. It was mentioned purely to disprove an assumption.


Immaterial and invisible, "Doctor".

[Skull-1]

+1


I just finished watching the movie Dallas Buyers Club and I liked it. Not very deep, but, still, I'm happy to see at least a part of America denouncing issues such as homophobia and, more importantly, how corporations having such an immense power in society, so big that it overshadows that of the state, leaves the common folk at the mercy of private interests which are not concerned with the general wellfare. I don't think they should, anyway, that's just what corporations seek, profit. It's the state and the people that must limit their actions when they harm society.


PS: Oh, and the concept of General wellfare is in the core of all democratic constitutions around the world. To question this concept is to question democracy itself.


PS2: :P And one more thing. If you want the state to reduce its influence over society, then you don't wan't the citizens to be free, because the most powerful citizens will use their resources to limit other citizens' freedom as to give themselves more and more freedom (in our societies this is achieved through money). And there it goes your concept of freedom for everyone.... it becomes more and more freedom for a few, less and less freedom for the rest. Which is what happens nowadays around the world, anyways.


Aw BS. If the General Welfare Clause meant unlimited authority there wouldn't be delineated powers. Shut up!


The most-powerful citizen in a free market, limited government nation as the USA was founded doesn't have a fraction of the power the Federal (feral) Government has. Yes, power is exercised by a very very few to trample on freedoms every day. They're called, the President, the EPA, the NSA, BATF, NYPD, City Hall, Congress, etc.


Not even the wealthiest man on the planet has that kind of power.


Grow a Brain.

[Skull-1]

Pop has lunch with the mayor, a former mayor, and the former President of the United States and this thread ensues.


His lack of judgment is becoming a trend...

[Mel_13]

His lack of judgment is becoming a trend...

Gotta admit, that made me laugh.

[ElNono]

:lol

Pop has lunch with the mayor, a former mayor, and the former President of the United States and this thread ensues.

A reflection of current times, IMO. Political polarization is at an all time high.

[Mel_13]

A reflection of current times, IMO. Political polarization is at an all time high.

True.

[Skull-1]

A reflection of current times, IMO. Political polarization is at an all time high.


Yes it is. A lot of us are getting sick of being pushed around and are finally beginning to push back. Too little too late, unfortunately.

[weeks]

i don't give a fuck about any of that.
i still want to know..

pop, admit it. you regret benching timmy. JUST ADMIT IT. YOU FUCKED UP!!! AGH

[Spur|n|Austin]

I have a 15 inch penis, 3 houses, and 7 cars. Trust me.

Kool?!

[wildchild]

A glimpse of Pop's future...


When Popovich was asked about the lunch at a local Mexican restaurant with the former president Bill Clinton, San Antonio mayor Julian Castro, Clinton Administration cabinet member Henry Cisneros and Popovich. "I was a server," Popovich joked. "Now I know what I can do when I retire."

[tmtcsc]

Politically, I'm middle of the road. I was so disgusted by the Presidential choices this past election that I elected not to vote. First time in my voting life that I did that. I'm financially conservative and socially liberal for the most part. I think the government should stay out of people's personal lives as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

I remember Pop being strongly in favor of a "government option" for health care as if it was a no-brainer. I certainly didn't feel that way but was surprised by his enthusiasm for it. It think its easier (I could be very wrong here) to be a bleeding heart liberal when you have a lot of $$ or when you have no $$. What's difficult is when you are somewhere in between "trying to make it" and being told that you are classified as wealthy and need to pay more taxes. That's bullshit. The tax code needs to change.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Politically, I'm middle of the road. I was so disgusted by the Presidential choices this past election that I elected not to vote. First time in my voting life that I did that. I'm financially conservative and socially liberal for the most part. I think the government should stay out of people's personal lives as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

I remember Pop being strongly in favor of a "government option" for health care as if it was a no-brainer. I certainly didn't feel that way but was surprised by his enthusiasm for it. It think its easier (I could be very wrong here) to be a bleeding heart liberal when you have a lot of $$ or when you have no $$. What's difficult is when you are somewhere in between "trying to make it" and being told that you are classified as wealthy and need to pay more taxes. That's bullshit. The tax code needs to change.

Same here man, same here.

[Skull-1]

Politically, I'm middle of the road. I was so disgusted by the Presidential choices this past election that I elected not to vote. First time in my voting life that I did that. I'm financially conservative and socially liberal for the most part. I think the government should stay out of people's personal lives as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.


I remember Pop being strongly in favor of a "government option" for health care as if it was a no-brainer. I certainly didn't feel that way but was surprised by his enthusiasm for it. It think its easier (I could be very wrong here) to be a bleeding heart liberal when you have a lot of $$ or when you have no $$. What's difficult is when you are somewhere in between "trying to make it" and being told that you are classified as wealthy and need to pay more taxes. That's bullshit. The tax code needs to change.



Same here man, same here.


Agree with both of you except I am a Constitutionalist, not middle of the road. I did vote AGAINST Ozero--I was not FOR R. Never again will I hold my nose and vote for another Dole/Bush/McCain/Romney just because the other choice is worse. Next time Third Party even if I am wasting my vote. If it is gonna burn, get it over with, otherwise someone stand up and fight.

I am, with a few exceptions, however, ready to vote against the incumbent from now on in all the other races out of spite for the lot of them. In the end, it doesn't matter. It is a rigged game. The pendulum never swings back as far toward freedom and small gov't as it does toward oppression and the nanny state. It is the way things evolve.

We have lost a ridiculous amount of liberty just in my lifetime. A lot of it seems trivial--like taking plastic cap guns to school or riding a bike without a helmet--but quite a bit of it isn't.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Agree with both of you except that I did vote for the lesser of two evils--R. Never again. I am, with a few exceptions, ready to vote against the incumbent from now on. In the end, it doesn't matter. It is a rigged game. The pendulum never swings back as far toward freedom and small gov't as it does toward oppression and big gov't. It is the way things evolve.


We have lost a ridiculous amount of liberty just in my lifetime. A lot of it seems trivial--like taking plastic cap guns to school or riding a bike without a helmet--but quite a bit of it isn't.

Sad and true unfortunately.

[poop]

Sit and be quiet child.

You are an ignorant political noob. Oh the horror of the Tea Party. Balanced budgets, liberty, and small government so men can live freely. Make it stop!! :rolleyes

Far right. Lmao! The Republicans of today are yesterday's Democrats. The "middle" continues to be pushed left to the point that there is no right wing any more.


Yeah, global politics are so important to understand and we should be like the rest of the world. Riiiiiiight..... That's why the entire f'ing world is beating down the doors to come to the US and not the other way around. :lol

If you like left wing tyranny you have the entire rest of the world to occupy. Go to it and leave the freedom-loving, self-reliant types alone. We will keep America and prosper. Now... Stop screwing up our nation and go live in Cuba!

Excellent post. Fuck the Left.

[baseline bum]

Next time Third Party even if I am wasting my vote.

Lol, you're wasting your vote either way. If voting made much of a difference it'd be illegal. Our choices are between jeebotard vs let gays in the military or maybe who makes the better speech, but either way we get shitty Reaganomics and constant wars.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A reflection of current times, IMO. Political polarization is at an all time high.

nah, 1820-1864 was much worse.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Aw BS. If the General Welfare Clause meant unlimited authority there wouldn't be delineated powers. Shut up!


The most-powerful citizen in a free market, limited government nation as the USA was founded doesn't have a fraction of the power the Federal (feral) Government has. Yes, power is exercised by a very very few to trample on freedoms every day. They're called, the President, the EPA, the NSA, BATF, NYPD, City Hall, Congress, etc.


Not even the wealthiest man on the planet has that kind of power.


Grow a Brain.

He is talking about a counter argument. You simply repeating TENTH AMENDMENT!!!! again does not invalidate what he is saying. More binary jeebotard bullshit here.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Far right. Lmao! The Republicans of today are yesterday's Democrats. The "middle" continues to be pushed left to the point that there is no right wing any more.

I don't see why people claim this. They still spamming this line on Fox and AM radio?

Tea Party principles are disestablishment. They are the same principles espoused by Hoover and Harding. That was the end of our libertarian dystopia and the great depression came soon after. The Democratic party dominated the electorate for ~70 years until the GOP took over the legislature in the 1990s. The march has been inexorably right for the past 100 years.

This notion that there is no right wing when there is a whole nation of jeebotards such as yourself out there is just hilarious. You just really suck at history, Byzantium.

[itsamanuthree]

Thanks Fuzzy, exactly!

When I read his reply I was like... errr...should I even reply to pile of crap? He didn't address the arguments I put forward. But that's skull, he keeps distorting everything others say, keeps trolling, seething with hate, because he would reeeeeealy like to shot this guy Pedro in the head one of this days but this bloody state keeps telling him he doesn't have the freedom to take Pedro's freedom away.

Also, in one of his last messages he gives us a glimpse of the thoughtful, sound aruments he has against the existance of the state: they won't let him ride his bike without a helmet and take plastic cap guns to school.

[itsamanuthree]

Lol, you're wasting your vote either way. If voting made much of a difference it'd be illegal. Our choices are between jeebotard vs let gays in the military or maybe who makes the better speech, but either way we get shitty Reaganomics and constant wars.

+1

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We have lost a ridiculous amount of liberty just in my lifetime. A lot of it seems trivial--like taking plastic cap guns to school or riding a bike without a helmet--but quite a bit of it isn't.

I thought to bring up the Civil Rights Amendment of 1965 but then I figured you would probably not view that as freedom much less as one of the greatest achievements in civil liberties in the history of the US or the world.

[Sean Cagney]

Agreed. James came out of left field on me like a spider monkey but our train of thought is not far off. I dont trust oany of them. Maybe one or two politicians came to dc with their heart in the right place only to get pimped out by lobbyists and be indebted for life to some corporation or big contributor wanting to push his own selfish agenda. Glorified prostitues = politicians

This is dead on.

[xmas1997]

This is dead on.

Hope you've not just come to this conclusion recently.
You vote for the least of the evils, if you vote at all, because that is just the way it is.
Until they reform the candidates Credentials process, that is the way it will continue to be, sadly.
If you want good candidates, then you need to abolish political science as a degree plan, and require at least two years of government service from all new graduates similar to drafting for the military.
Then we would get that melting pot of government workers as they had during the revolutionary years.

[Sean Cagney]

Hope you've not just come to this conclusion recently.
You vote for the least of the evils, if you vote at all, because that is just the way it is.
Until they reform the candidates Credentials process, that is the way it will continue to be, sadly.
If you want good candidates, then you need to abolish political science as a degree plan, and require at least two years of government service from all new graduates similar to drafting for the military.
Then we would get that melting pot of government workers as they had during the revolutionary years.No I have known for a while. Good post and I agree.

[Juggity]

Skull-1 is one of the most cancerous posters on spurstalk. Really shit-tier.

[TDfan2007]

I thought to bring up the Civil Rights Amendment of 1965 but then I figured you would probably not view that as freedom much less as one of the greatest achievements in civil liberties in the history of the US or the world.

:tu

[The_Coyote]

Yes, because America became great through high taxes, over regulation, appeasement, and a lack of confidence coupled with a "you didn't build that" attitude.

"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things. Not because they are easy, but because they are hard" got replaced with "It isn't fair I am a poor lazy slob. Give me free stuff now. America sucks. The rest of the world is better than we are. Pride in yourself and your country is a vice. Racist!" :lmao

Your assumption is that the poor are poor merely BECAUSE they are lazy. The likely truth is that they are poor because they are paid like SHIT despite providing essential services that allow you and me to function. And now, the middle class (because of the plutocratic actions of Democrats and Republicans alike) is being pushed into that poor category as well. People everyday are finding out how hard work and sacrifice is no longer the key to success in this country.

Partisanism and finger-pointing ("it's the poor!") are childish ways of looking at a massively complex set of issues in blacks and whites in order to claim moral and ideological superiority.

[weeks]

There's no truly poor people in America. Being poor here still makes you comfortably one of the 1%

[The_Coyote]

There's no truly poor people in America. Being poor here still makes you comfortably one of the 1%

I get where you're coming from. However, you've gotta factor in the cost of living in this country. Just because we aren't Ukraine or Sudan doesn't mean we don't have a lower class. Go to any major urban area to see just how "comfortable" the homeless and those below the poverty line are.

[Skull-1]

Your assumption is that the poor are poor merely BECAUSE they are lazy. The likely truth is that they are poor because they are paid like SHIT despite providing essential services that allow you and me to function. And now, the middle class (because of the plutocratic actions of Democrats and Republicans alike) is being pushed into that poor category as well. People everyday are finding out how hard work and sacrifice is no longer the key to success in this country.

Partisanism and finger-pointing ("it's the poor!") are childish ways of looking at a massively complex set of issues in blacks and whites in order to claim moral and ideological superiority.

When did McDonald's cook become an essential function?

Meanwhile the government class that supposedly provides "essential services" (yawn) isaid better than the people who are taxed to fund them...

Eyeroll.

[Skull-1]

There's no truly poor people in America. Being poor here still makes you comfortably one of the 1%


Hell yeah. The "poor" here have iPhones & tvs and live better than the overwhelming majority of people on this planet. Americans have become lazy, decadent, and stupid. No shock there. It is the natural progression of things.

[Skull-1]

.... keeps trolling, seething with hate, because he would reeeeeealy like to shot this guy Pedro in the head one of this days but this bloody state keeps telling him he doesn't have the freedom to take Pedro's freedom away.

...


If Pedro minds his own business he has nothing to fear from me. If he kicks in my door or comes after me with a weapon he gets two in the chest and one in the head. Simple, really. And my inalienable right. So bite me you lying bigot.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

When did McDonald's cook become an essential function?

Meanwhile the government class that supposedly provides "essential services" (yawn) isaid better than the people who are taxed to fund them...

Eyeroll.

Its going to be so nice when you and your contemporaries die off. Your demographic is the biggest taker on the dole yet you spout shit like this.

[DPG21920]

Castro just bugs the hell out of me. I don't trust him and he seems to have taken on Obama's manerisms, speech & basically everything else with regards to watching/listening to him speak. Just comes off as a creep.

[Skull-1]

Castro just bugs the hell out of me. I don't trust him and he seems to have taken on Obama's manerisms, speech & basically everything else with regards to watching/listening to him speak. Just comes off as a creep.


A creep and and gun banner. Big government, anti-freedom nazi. Also typical pol. Hookups for buds while harassing regular folks. Huge identity politics type. "Kill whitey."

[DPG21920]

Wut

[itsamanuthree]

If Pedro kicks in my door or comes after me with a weapon he gets two in the chest and one in the head.

And tell me, do you have this dream often?

[Blake]

A creep and and gun banner. Big government, anti-freedom nazi. Also typical pol. Hookups for buds while harassing regular folks. Huge identity politics type. "Kill whitey."

He had dinner with two whiteys per the topic of this thread.

You're a loon

[Skull-1]

He had dinner with two whiteys per the topic of this thread.

You're a loon


One of them agrees with him. The other is just window dressing. Having dinner with two people from a group he hates doesn't change a thing. Back to ignore list, moron (popped you up by accident--my bad).

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Pop hates white people.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

and freedom.

[Blake]

One of them agrees with him. The other is just window dressing. Having dinner with two people from a group he hates doesn't change a thing. Back to ignore list, moron (popped you up by accident--my bad).

oh so it's a stealth hatred for the white man and this dinner is all part of his ultimate plan of vengeance.

The kkk could learn a thing or two.

[Blake]

Pop hates white people.

That explains why he kept starting DeJuan instead of Splitter for so long

[poop]

Castro is a little pro-amnesty, anti-gun, anti american shit smear.
Hooefully the time is coming soon when all the Leftists will be put down in mass in the streets with bayonets:hat

[EVAY]

Wow, an observation regarding some guys having lunch leads to vitriol, name calling, claims of victimization and and a call-to-arms.

Damn. Pretty powerful lunch.

[Blake]

Castro is a little pro-amnesty, anti-gun, anti american shit smear.
Hooefully the time is coming soon when all the Leftists will be put down in mass in the streets with bayonets:hat

how righty of you

[Skull-1]

Castro is a little pro-amnesty, anti-gun, anti american shit smear.
Hooefully the time is coming soon when all the Leftists will be put down in mass in the streets with bayonets:hat


LOL!

:lol :lmao:rollin

[Skull-1]

Wow, an observation regarding some guys having lunch leads to vitriol, name calling, claims of victimization and and a call-to-arms.

Damn. Pretty powerful lunch.


Well, at least lumpyfizznuts stopped humping flake long enough to join the fray. That should make sitting down easier for the resident cuck.

[SupremeGuy]

lol @ all the mexican socialists, tbh

They should try going to Cuba if they want to see how socialism would look in any Latin American country. Good luck with that.

[Chewbacca]

Castro is a little pro-amnesty, anti-gun, anti american shit smear.
Hooefully the time is coming soon when all the Leftists will be put down in mass in the streets with bayonets:hat

:lmao

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, at least lumpyfizznuts stopped humping flake long enough to join the fray. That should make sitting down easier for the resident cuck.

I hate white people and freedom as well?

[Skull-1]

lol @ all the mexican socialists, tbh

They should try going to Cuba if they want to see how socialism would look in any Latin American country. Good luck with that.



Truth bomb.

The socialists are gonna' win this time, though. Glad I will be dead before their Utopia is fully implemented.

"Don't change minds, change demography." - The DNC

[xmas1997]

As I said before, things wll not change until reforms are made in the whole election and electoral process.
We have to quit electing "politicians" to make our decisions for us.
We need more of a cross section of professions, trades, and the basic "common" man/woman serving public office.
Until then, nothing is going to change, at least for the better anyway.
No use arguing about it, because that serves no useful purpose.
Until we, us, make these necessary minor changes, then nothing, absolutely nothing, major is going to change.

[HemisfairArena]

No getting rid of both democrats and republicans= No Chance for our great nation.

[Skull-1]

As I said before, things wll not change until reforms are made in the whole election and electoral process.
We have to quit electing "politicians" to make our decisions for us.
We need more of a cross section of professions, trades, and the basic "common" man/woman serving public office.
Until then, nothing is going to change, at least for the better anyway.
No use arguing about it, because that serves no useful purpose.
Until we, us, make these necessary minor changes, then nothing, absolutely nothing, major is going to change.


The professional ruling class has to go. We could do better making Congress like jury duty and just randomly pick people....

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The professional ruling class has to go. We could do better making Congress like jury duty and just randomly pick people....

Ruling class? How about the demographic that has been the driving force behind the electorate since half of you entered your majority in 1975? The one that keeps in getting votes for extending your medicare and guaranteeing SS just long enough for you to get it before you die?

Introspection is important.