If Miami wins it again this year...

[DeadlyDynasty]

...they'll already be the 4th best franchise in NBA history:wow

Not bad for a team with a shade over 25 years of existence, and one that was ring-less this time 8 years ago.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

According to who? & who do you have ahead of them?

Bulls
Spurs
Celtics

[DeadlyDynasty]

1. Celtics
2. Lakers (even though LA has been more relevant than the Celtics throughout NBA history, they own us and have the ring count)
3. Bulls
4. Heat (better core, better opponents)
5. Spurs

[JohnnyMax]

Dont expect Spurs to beat them this year.

Enrique's defense has gotten worse, Danny Green won't catch them off guard, Oden will shutdown Duncan and Wade/Lebron/Bosh have improved their jumpshot.

[HarlemHeat37]

Dont expect Spurs to beat them this year.

Enrique's defense has gotten worse, Danny Green won't catch them off guard, Oden will shutdown Duncan and Wade/Lebron/Bosh have improved their jumpshot.

Spurs can beat Miami, tbh, the problem for the Spurs is beating OKC..

The Spurs are the only team in the West that matches up well against the Heat IMO..unfortunately, OKC stands in the way..

[Killakobe81]

Spurs can beat Miami, tbh, the problem for the Spurs is beating OKC..

The Spurs are the only team in the West that matches up well against the Heat IMO..unfortunately, OKC stands in the way..

Stop it. They could of last year. The Spurs have the better coach but the Heat the two best players. After Timmy Bosh (this season) is probably better than anyone on the Spurs who are far less healthy this year.

All praise goes to Pop, but Spurs may push another 7 but Heat will 3peat.

[Mori Chu]

If I were Spurfan I would not worry about OKC. Westbrook is still holding them back, especially now that he's not 100% healthy. I fully expect them to implode and choke in the WCF if not sooner, like they always do. Durant is amazing but he still hasn't figured out how to push Westbrook into his rightful role as a supporting player and second banana.

[Robz4000]

Stop it. They could of last year. The Spurs have the better coach but the Heat the two best players. After Timmy Bosh (this season) is probably better than anyone on the Spurs who are far less healthy this year.

All praise goes to Pop, but Spurs may push another 7 but Heat will 3peat.

Wade isn't better than Parker tbh, provided Parker finds last year's form. Its Lebron >>> Parker >> Wade = Duncan > Bosh > ...

[RD2191]

1. Celtics
2. Lakers (even though LA has been more relevant than the Celtics throughout NBA history, they own us and have the ring count)
3. Bulls
4. Heat (better core, better opponents)
5. Spurs
rofl

[Phillip]

Wade isn't better than Parker tbh, provided Parker finds last year's form. Its Lebron >>> Parker >> Wade = Duncan > Bosh > ...

thats a stretch

if Parker is 2 >'s higher than Wade (which he isnt), then Lebron should be at least 8 to 9 >'s higher than Parker.

[Trainwreck2100]

1. Celtics
2. Lakers (even though LA has been more relevant than the Celtics throughout NBA history, they own us and have the ring count)
3. Bulls
4. Heat (better core, better opponents)
5. Spurs

Nope

[DeadlyDynasty]

thats a stretch
i c what u did there

[Trainwreck2100]

thats a stretch

if Parker is 2 >'s higher than Wade (which he isnt), then Lebron should be at least 8 to 9 >'s higher than Parker.

Parker>>wade
Hgh wade >Parker

[Robz4000]

thats a stretch

if Parker is 2 >'s higher than Wade (which he isnt), then Lebron should be at least 8 to 9 >'s higher than Parker.

Last year's TP was arguably the third best player in the league while Wade has been having trouble staying on the court. Might be about equal this season tho. I agree about Lebron, should be more like >>>>>>.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Nope
3/4 Finals opponents were embarrassing.

2007 Cavs - worst Finals team in NBA history
2003 Nets - Horrible, punchless, probably the fifth best team in the NBA in those B2B Finals years
1999 Knicks - 8th seed, stillbirth of a season

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

3/4 Finals opponents were embarrassing.

2007 Cavs - worst Finals team in NBA history
2003 Nets - Horrible, punchless, probably the fifth best team in the NBA in those B2B Finals years
1999 Knicks - 8th seed, stillbirth of a season

Lakerfan acting as if we just played one team to make the finals..

[Trainwreck2100]

3/4 Finals opponents were embarrassing.

2007 Cavs - worst Finals team in NBA history
2003 Nets - Horrible, punchless, probably the fifth best team in the NBA in those B2B Finals years
1999 Knicks - 8th seed, stillbirth of a season
Miami finals opponents were far from a murderers row. And they don't have to play anyone to get to the finals

[Phillip]

Heat by far had better opponents in the Finals than the Spurs ever faced in the Finals. The only quality Finals team the Spurs faced was Detroit. The rest blew. 06 Mavs, 12 Thunder, 13 Spurs were far better than the Knicks, Nets, or Cavs, and arguably all better than the 05 Pistons team.

But in the rounds leading up to the finals, the Spurs had a couple pretty tough teams they beat in Shaq/Kobe Lakers, and Nash/Marion/Stoudemire Suns. Those were some REALLY good teams that the Spurs pretty much dominated.

[spurraider21]

3/4 Finals opponents were embarrassing.

2007 Cavs - worst Finals team in NBA history
2003 Nets - Horrible, punchless, probably the fifth best team in the NBA in those B2B Finals years
1999 Knicks - 8th seed, stillbirth of a season
and all 4 times, they made the playoffs, and won their last game

[Robz4000]

3/4 Finals opponents were embarrassing.

2007 Cavs - worst Finals team in NBA history
2003 Nets - Horrible, punchless, probably the fifth best team in the NBA in those B2B Finals years
1999 Knicks - 8th seed, stillbirth of a season

Meh, to get there the Spurs had to go through the Shaq-Kobe Lakers, prime Dirk and a solid Mavs team, and the SSOL Suns. All of those teams would've beaten the Heat except maybe the Suns.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Miami finals opponents were far from a murderers row. And they don't have to play anyone to get to the finals
2006 Mavs, 2012 Thunder, and 2013 Spurs take a wet shit on 3/4 of the Spurs Finals opponents, and you know it:lol

Also, 2007 was the path of least resistance in NBA history to a Finals, so not sure you wanna bring that up

[Phillip]

Miami finals opponents were far from a murderers row. And they don't have to play anyone to get to the finals

Miami has faced some pretty solid teams, make no mistake. They beat the 06 Pistons, the same team the Spurs faced a year earlier in the Finals. In in their recent runs, they have had some tough teams they faced in the Celtics, Bulls, and Indy.

I still think that beating the Shaq/Kobe Lakers in 03 and those run/gun Suns in 05 was probably more impressive than anything Miami did, outside of their 2 most recent finals wins. OKC and SA were two fantastic teams.

[DeadlyDynasty]

and all 4 times, they made the playoffs, and won their last game
Well aren't you smart...nobody's arguing what you just said. The argument is that if the Heat win this year they'll be more impressive than SA. Which is true. Better players, better Finals opponents, better ratings, were mentally tough enough to defend their title like all true dynasties have, etc

[Phillip]

and all 4 times, they made the playoffs, and won their last game

No one is saying their championships are meaningless. The discussion is simply about quality of opponents. The Spurs (like nearly every team that ever won a championship) faced their fair share of snoozer opponents. But they still went out and won, and they certainly deserve credit for that. No one is taking that credit away. Quit being so sensitive :dizzy

[Robz4000]

Phillip, you should give a lot more credit to your Mavs. They were right there with the Spurs and Suns in the mid 2000s.

[spurraider21]

No one is saying their championships are meaningless. The discussion is simply about quality of opponents. The Spurs (like nearly every team that ever won a championship) faced their fair share of snoozer opponents. But they still went out and won, and they certainly deserve credit for that. No one is taking that credit away. Quit being so sensitive :dizzy
i think its known that the spurs played their toughest opponents in the WC playoffs. beating the 03 lakers in the 2nd round trumps pretty much any finals opponent the Heat have beaten.

the suns and mavs of the mid 2000's who we had to go through were better than the teams we faced in the finals outside of the 05 Pistons. just looking at finals opponents is unfair. miami got to play the bucks and the bulls en route to making the finals last year...

[Phillip]

Meh, to get there the Spurs had to go through the Shaq-Kobe Lakers, prime Dirk and a solid Mavs team, and the SSOL Suns. All of those teams would've beaten the Heat except maybe the Suns.
The year they beat Shaq/Kobe, they clearly were declining/falling apart as a tandem and team in general. A hungry Lebron/Miami could beat them.

06 Mavs would get worked due to their extremely undersized backcourt and lack of a wing defender outside of mental-midget Josh Howard.

SSOL Suns were a real good team, but if the run and gun Thunder trio of Durant/Westbrook/Harden got mopped, so would those Suns. Getting into a running match with Lebron/Wade? Not a good idea.

[Phillip]

i think its known that the spurs played their toughest opponents in the WC playoffs. beating the 03 lakers in the 2nd round trumps pretty much any finals opponent the Heat have beaten

I disagree, for reasons posted just a moment ago. Those Lakers were clearly not the same Lakers. They had no focus, and were simply declining in general. They did not play very good basketball that year. I think they barely won 50 games that year because of injuries and just general struggles.

[spurraider21]

The year they beat Shaq/Kobe, they clearly were declining/falling apart as a tandem and team in general. A hungry Lebron/Miami could beat them.

06 Mavs would get worked due to their extremely undersized backcourt and lack of a wing defender outside of mental-midget Josh Howard.

SSOL Suns were a real good team, but if the run and gun Thunder trio of Durant/Westbrook/Harden got mopped, so would those Suns. Getting into a running match with Lebron/Wade? Not a good idea.
Prime stoudemire would have given Miami all kinds of fits, and we all saw how Marion did against LeBron in '11

[Trainwreck2100]

2006 Mavs, 2012 Thunder, and 2013 Spurs take a wet shit on 3/4 of the Spurs Finals opponents, and you know it:lol

Also, 2007 was the path of least resistance in NBA history to a Finals, so not sure you wanna bring that up

The 2012 thunder got exposed that was an awful series. Miami has to play 1 series a year while the west has to play 3 or 4 depending on seeding

[Phillip]

Phillip (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15120), you should give a lot more credit to your Mavs. They were right there with the Spurs and Suns in the mid 2000s.

05-07 Mavs were a real good team, no question. But they match up terribly with this Miami team. Teams with strong guards/wing players were kryptonite for those Mavs. The teams that beat the Mavs each of those years exposed that (05 Suns, 06 Heat, 07 Warriors).

[spurraider21]

I disagree, for reasons posted just a moment ago. Those Lakers were clearly not the same Lakers. They had no focus, and were simply declining in general. They did not play very good basketball that year. I think they barely won 50 games that year because of injuries and just general struggles.
you still went up against prime shaq, Kobe having his best statistical season to that point, and Phil Jackson

[Phillip]

Prime stoudemire would have given Miami all kinds of fits, and we all saw how Marion did against LeBron in '11

Marion in 11 was a much smarter player. Younger Marion bit every pump fake that was thrown at him.

Stoudemire certainly would be tough, but Miami has the ability to lock down every other player on that team, and can actually out-gun them because Lebron/Wade are so unstoppable in traffic.

The only weakness the Heat have is a team that can slow it down and beat them in the post. Phoenix couldn't do that.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Beating the '03 Lakers was still a great accomplishment, though. Philip is right in that they were out of gas and hadn't properly re-tooled the roster when the vets started to age and retire (Harper gone after 2001, Fox and Shaw declining), and they never really figured out the 4 even in the Finals years--it was AC Green, Horace Grant, and Samaki Walker in consecutive years:lol--so that was a complete mismatch for TD. Horry was great at spot duty D at the 3/4, but not a fulltime player there, obviously

Still, all that said they were an Horry in-and-out 3 from completing a furious Game 5 comeback and crushing San Antonio's spirit.

[Robz4000]

The year they beat Shaq/Kobe, they clearly were declining/falling apart as a tandem and team in general. A hungry Lebron/Miami could beat them.

06 Mavs would get worked due to their extremely undersized backcourt and lack of a wing defender outside of mental-midget Josh Howard.

SSOL Suns were a real good team, but if the run and gun Thunder trio of Durant/Westbrook/Harden got mopped, so would those Suns. Getting into a running match with Lebron/Wade? Not a good idea.

The Shaq/Kobe Lakers would've been a matchup nightmare for the Heat. If not for Duncan beasting that season they would've four-peated.

06 Mavs might've lost, but I think it would've been close. Bosh would've been destroyed by Dirk again and the officiating wouldn't of been as bad (only pussies and assholes, officiating, etc). AJ prolly gets severely outcoached tho so who knows.

As much as we mock _'antoni, he is 10x the coach Brooks is. He prolly would've adjusted his game plan. Nash and co prolly wouldn't choke as bad as those three either.

[Phillip]

you still went up against prime shaq, Kobe having his best statistical season to that point, and Phil Jackson

That WAS NOT prime Shaq by any means, and everyone with an objective viewpoint knows it. That was around the time he started declining, and he dealt with injuries all year. He clearly was not his usual self. And he had really started picking up weight.

Phil Jackson began losing control of that team around that time too.

I don't disagree that it was a very impressive win, but don't act like they were anywhere nearly as mentally or physically focused as they were 2 years before.

[Spurs da champs]

The year they beat Shaq/Kobe, they clearly were declining/falling apart as a tandem and team in general. A hungry Lebron/Miami could beat them.

06 Mavs would get worked due to their extremely undersized backcourt and lack of a wing defender outside of mental-midget Josh Howard.

SSOL Suns were a real good team, but if the run and gun Thunder trio of Durant/Westbrook/Harden got mopped, so would those Suns. Getting into a running match with Lebron/Wade? Not a good idea.

Even teams loaded with 7 footers like the Spurs fought an uphill battle against prime Shaq, how the hell would Miami with just Bosh handle those Lakers?

[spurraider21]

the lakers made it back to the finals in 04 with minimal contributions from Gary Payton during the playoff run, and Malone wasn't exactly beasting it through the postseason either. the 03 lakers were far from done. its convenient to say they were easy since they lost

[DeadlyDynasty]

The 2012 thunder got exposed that was an awful series. Miami has to play 1 series a year while the west has to play 3 or 4 depending on seeding
No, Miami has had at least 2 competitive series every year while the West has 3. Still, anyway you slice it a 3-peat by the Heat puts them above San Antonio for all the reasons already listed.

[Robz4000]

No, Miami has had at least 2 competitive series every year while the West has 3. Still, anyway you slice it a 3-peat by the Heat puts them above San Antonio for all the reasons already listed.

It puts them above the Spurs BECAUSE its a threepeat tbh. Even then I see arguments the other way because the Spurs have been contenders in 10+ seasons since they joined the NBA.

[Katherine Robinson]

No argument here, the Heat will solidify their place over the Spurs with a three-peat. There is a paper thin gap right now.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Shaq started to get chunky and lazy after 2001 too. He was still so goddamn good and dominant that it didn't affect us (helped having Kobe be the closer those years in the playoffs, though...)

[spurraider21]

if the Heat 3-peat, its undeniable that they're better than any of the spurs teams. its also a bit difficult to gauge since the 99 spurs, the 03 spurs, and the 05/07 spurs are pretty much 3 separate entities

[DeadlyDynasty]

It puts them above the Spurs BECAUSE its a threepeat tbh. Even then I see arguments the other way because the Spurs have been contenders in 10+ seasons since they joined the NBA.
All dynasties in basketball have defended their title at least once. If you wanna try to crowbar in the 80's Celtics to help you in your argument (not saying you will), so be it--but everybody and their mother knows that was the Lakers decade (5 titles, 8 appearances).

Besides, even that Celtics "pseudo-dynasty" was mentally tough enough to go to 4 straight NBA Finals...San Antonio has only gone as far as the WCF once after a repeat (2008).

The Heat will become an official dynasty, and dynasty-status puts you above those who don't have the credentials

[Phillip]

The Shaq/Kobe Lakers would've been a matchup nightmare for the Heat.

I think they both are matchup nightmares for each other. Shaq is going to be a problem down low.

But on the other end, as DD brought out, those Lakers had no one to play the 4 remotely effectively, and just the general supporting cast of the team was in clear decline.

Who's going to guard Bosh? Shaq? That just leaves the middle wide open.

And Kobe could only guard one of the two of Lebron/Wade. Who's going to guard the other? An old Rick Fox?

I don't think people realize just how good these Miami teams really are. Do they have weaknesses? Sure, although really only 1 noticable weakness (low post defense). Rebounding can be streaky, but when they get focused, they generally rebound just fine.

The last time that I have seen a team coast the way that they have the past couple years, and turn it on when they want to, was the 3-peat Lakers. Before that was MJs Bulls. That's some good company.

[Phillip]

Even teams loaded with 7 footers like the Spurs fought an uphill battle against prime Shaq, how the hell would Miami with just Bosh handle those Lakers?

Like I said in another post... there's no question Shaq is a problem for Miami, but you gotta look at it both ways... how the hell would LA handle Bosh with just Shaq? How the hell would LA handle Lebron/Wade with just Kobe?

Bosh pulling Shaq out of the middle completely ruins any kind of defense the Lakers would be able to play. And no one else on the team aside from Kobe would have a chance at sticking with Lebron or Wade. And prime Lebron would give that younger, smaller version of Kobe all kinds of fits. No way Kobe at that time could consistently guard Lebron very effectively. 06-08 Kobe is a different story. Either way, this series wouldn't be as easy as you suggest.

[Robz4000]

All dynasties in basketball have defended their title at least once. If you wanna try to crowbar in the 80's Celtics to help you in your argument (not saying you will), so be it--but everybody and their mother knows that was the Lakers decade (5 titles, 8 appearances).

Besides, even that Celtics "pseudo-dynasty" was mentally tough enough to go to 4 straight NBA Finals...San Antonio has only gone as far as the WCF once after a repeat (2008).

The Heat will become an official dynasty, and dynasty-status puts you above those who don't have the credentials

I'm just talking about franchise success, not dominance. This Heat team is already knocking on the door of the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, MJ Bulls, Showtime Lakers, and '80s Celtics (though they weren't a dynasty that had mostly to do with running into Showtime). However, over their existences the Spurs have had more success than the Heat.

[Brazil]

I don't disagree with DD because of the threepeat but I really don't see opponents as a good argument.

Also I think spurs 99/03/05 would give a hell of a work to Lebron's Heat

[Robz4000]

I don't disagree with DD because of the threepeat but I really don't see opponents as a good argument.

Also I think spurs 99/03/05 would give a hell of a work to Lebron's Heat

99/03 Spurs beat this Heat team tbh. Argument in general tho is about franchise success.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Spurs/Duncan don't get enough credit for overcoming playoff Robinson and winning 2 titles

[baseline bum]

1. Celtics
2. Lakers (even though LA has been more relevant than the Celtics throughout NBA history, they own us and have the ring count)
3. Bulls
4. Heat (better core, better opponents)
5. Spurs

Miami had better opponents than the Shaq/Kobe Lakers?

[Phillip]

99/03 Spurs beat this Heat team tbh. Argument in general tho is about franchise success.

:lmao no.

The only team that could have even a chance is the 05 team.

99 and 03 were too weak outside of the paint.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Miami had better opponents than the Shaq/Kobe Lakers?
In the Finals, Absolutely. Better opponents than the Lakers and infinitely better than 3/4 Spurs opponents

[Robz4000]

:lmao no.

The only team that could have even a chance is the 05 team.

99 and 03 were too weak outside of the paint.

The Spurs' defensive strategy last year was to force Miami to take jumpshots; the 99/03 teams would've done the same thing with greater success. The Heat would also have 0 answer for Duncan and unlike Splitter, DRob would've been able to post up a PG or Wade. The 03 team also had Stephen Jackson, Steve Kerr, and Bruce Bowen on the perimeter, which isn't bad at all.

[Robz4000]

In the Finals, Absolutely. Better opponents than the Lakers and infinitely better than 3/4 Spurs opponents

Lakers and Spurs basically played the same level of competition in those Finals. The East was absolutely terrible back then.

[TE]

Nah, I agree with Phillip. The 05 team was so dynamic in that it could play any style (fast or grind it out). In this day and age that is most important. If you see the teams that have win, it's because they can play any style.

[Jacob1983]

Nope. I'd still put the Pistons above the Heat when it comes to all time ranks. Superfriends have benefited from a shitty very watered down league and monkey balling rules that benefit them.

[Robz4000]

Nah, I agree with Phillip. The 05 team was so dynamic in that it could play any style (fast or grind it out). In this day and age that is most important. If you see the teams that have win, it's because they can play any style.

The '05 team would've had a good chance as well, but Duncan was on two bad ankles that postseason and the Heat would've had Lebron or Battier to throw on Manu.

[TE]

The '05 team would've had a good chance as well, but Duncan was on two bad ankles that postseason and the Heat would've had Lebron or Battier to throw on Manu.
True, Duncan had plantar fasciitis irrc. Still was ballin' tho.

I think ppl forget how great Manu was that year. He was arguably the second best SG in the league that year. I think his 13 Finals performance clouds that second part of your take imo.

[Robz4000]

True, Duncan had plantar fasciitis irrc. Still was ballin' tho.

I think ppl forget how great Manu was that year. He was arguably the second best SG in the league that year. I think his 13 Finals performance clouds that second part of your take imo.

No, Manu was a beast. It just goes to show how great of a defender both Lebron and Battier are.

[Kool Bob Love]

They ain't winning this year so thread is pointless.

should have beat the mavs in 2011. They fuck up.

[Phillip]

The Spurs' defensive strategy last year was to force Miami to take jumpshots; the 99/03 teams would've done the same thing with greater success. The Heat would also have 0 answer for Duncan and unlike Splitter, DRob would've been able to post up a PG or Wade. The 03 team also had Stephen Jackson, Steve Kerr, and Bruce Bowen on the perimeter, which isn't bad at all.

And the Spurs were very fortunate that Miami (Lebron) hit a cold stretch for a few games. Oh, and then of course once Lebron got back in his groove and was hitting his jumper like he had been doing basically all season long, Miami came back and won the series.

99 and 03 teams had no players that would be able to consistently generate offense when dealing with the defense of Lebron/Wade/Battier. Last year, at least either Parker or Manu could create offense for themselves and others. Jackson, Kerr, and Bowen wouldn't be getting many good looks with the swarming defense Miami has. In order to get open shots on Miami, you need to have a guard who can penetrate. Case in point, 2011 series vs Dallas. Dallas outside shooters didn't do much until Dallas started utilizing Barea more and finding ways to help him penetrate. Once he did, the floodgates opened for Terry, Stevenson and Kidd.

99 and 03 Spurs don't have anyone who could really do that. Parker was too young and weak mentally in 03 to really exploit them, which is why Claxton (lol) had to bail him out against the freaking Nets.

All Miami would have to do is let Duncan go 1-on-1, get 40 a night, but shut everyone else down. And they have the defense to do just that to those teams.

[irishock]

Pistons ahead of Bulls, Lakers over Celtics, tbh...

LA
Boston
Spurs
Heat
Pistons

[Robz4000]

And the Spurs were very fortunate that Miami (Lebron) hit a cold stretch for a few games. Oh, and then of course once Lebron got back in his groove and was hitting his jumper like he had been doing basically all season long, Miami came back and won the series.

99 and 03 teams had no players that would be able to consistently generate offense when dealing with the defense of Lebron/Wade/Battier. Last year, at least either Parker or Manu could create offense for themselves and others. Jackson, Kerr, and Bowen wouldn't be getting many good looks with the swarming defense Miami has. All Miami would have to do is let Duncan go 1-on-1, get 40 a night, but shut everyone else down. And they have the defense to do just that to those teams.

Even with Lebron going apeshit at the end of the series it took Battier hitting 7 3s in game 7 as well as Ray Allen and Chris Bosh making shit happen in 6 for the Heat to come back to win.

In that case it would've come down to defense, and the Spurs in both years were elite defensive teams arguably even better than Miami.

[Phillip]

Pistons ahead of Bulls, Lakers over Celtics, tbh...

LA
Boston
Spurs
Heat
Pistons

This is the best list I've seen.

Chicago had the run with MJ, but hasn't really done much else as a franchise. Always been streaky.

The Spurs have been consistently good pretty much through all their existence.

Another franchise that is not getting much credit (simply because they haven't been fortunate enough to bag a championship) is the Suns. They are another team that is consistently good for long stretches, and continues to rebuild effectively and find ways to produce some really good basketball teams. In the past 15 years, they have had 4-5 rebuilt cores (Kidd/Penny/Robinson to Marbury/Marion to Nash/Stoudemire, to Nash/Shaq/Marion, to Dragic/Bledsoe/Green), but still won lots of games, made the conference finals 3 times and only had 4 losing seasons. That's pretty amazing.

[Thread]

& it was the Spurs who opened the door & stepped out.

[Phillip]

Even with Lebron going apeshit at the end of the series it took Battier hitting 7 3s in game 7 as well as Ray Allen and Chris Bosh making shit happen in 6 for the Heat to come back to win.

In that case it would've come down to defense, and the Spurs in both years were elite defensive teams arguably even better than Miami.

1) You know why Battier hit 7 threes? Because the Spurs defense was leaving him open, in hopes of containing Lebron.

2) It's nothing Battier hasn't done before. He plenty of times has come up clutch when his team needs him, including a big series in the finals the year before against OKC.

3) Again, the shots were WIDE OPEN shots. Nothing fluky. The Spurs just had a defensive strategy for that game that didn't work in their favor.

Don't make it seem like Miami had all kinds of lucky stuff happen for them to win that game 7. The Spurs had a strategy. Miami made them pay. That would be like a Miami fan saying that Danny Green had a fluky series, because of all the 3s he was hitting. No, he was getting insanely open on a lot of them because the Heat were too focused on sending extra help out for Parker's defender. Once they realized that Parker doesn't need to be doubled to be contained, Green didn't get many open looks, Parker struggled to create, and the Spurs offense suddenly didn't look so great. This right here IMO is the real reason this series even went to 7. If Miami would have just played TP straight up all series (which anyone with a brain knows that is how you play TP, doubling him is the worst thing you can do), there would have been far less of those 3s by Green and Neal, and Miami probably would have won sooner, perhaps in 5.

Either way, the Spurs flat out got beat. End of story. It wasn't a fluke. They simply didn't deserve it.

If you want to call Ray's 3 a fluke, then you could say the ridiculous step-back 3 that Parker had just hit a minute earlier was a fluke. In fact, it was actually more fluky, because Ray hit a shot he is arguably the greatest in NBA history at (a spot up 3), while Parker threw up a shot he almost never would take, and would probably miss 9 times out of 10. It was the epitome of a "hero" shot, that he somehow hit.

[irishock]

1. Celtics
2. Lakers (even though LA has been more relevant than the Celtics throughout NBA history, they own us and have the ring count)

No, you're better than them. The Celtics 22 year drought in the modern NBA era shuts the door on them.

[Phillip]

In that case it would've come down to defense, and the Spurs in both years were elite defensive teams arguably even better than Miami.

Jeez, I just read this and realized what a retarded sentence this was.

Sure, they were elite defensively, but offensively? Not so much. 13 Spurs offense was WORLDS better than the 99 and 03 offenses. Their offense is what kept them in the series and got them ahead.

[Thread]

No, you're better than them. The Celtics 22 year drought in the modern NBA era shuts the door on them.

But, that drought, like Duncan's homosexuality is not spoken of. It's a gentlemen's agreement.

[D-Wade]

1) You know why Battier hit 7 threes? Because the Spurs defense was leaving him open, in hopes of containing Lebron.

2) It's nothing Battier hasn't done before. He plenty of times has come up clutch when his team needs him, including a big series in the finals the year before against OKC.

3) Again, the shots were WIDE OPEN shots. Nothing fluky. The Spurs just had a defensive strategy for that game that didn't work in their favor.

Don't make it seem like Miami had all kinds of lucky stuff happen for them to win that game 7. The Spurs had a strategy. Miami made them pay. That would be like a Miami fan saying that Danny Green had a fluky series, because of all the 3s he was hitting. No, he was getting insanely open on a lot of them because the Heat were too focused on sending extra help out for Parker's defender. Once they realized that Parker doesn't need to be doubled to be contained, Green didn't get many open looks, Parker struggled to create, and the Spurs offense suddenly didn't look so great. This right here IMO is the real reason this series even went to 7. If Miami would have just played TP straight up all series (which anyone with a brain knows that is how you play TP, doubling him is the worst thing you can do), there would have been far less of those 3s by Green and Neal, and Miami probably would have won sooner, perhaps in 5.

Either way, the Spurs flat out got beat. End of story. It wasn't a fluke. They simply didn't deserve it.

If you want to call Ray's 3 a fluke, then you could say the ridiculous step-back 3 that Parker had just hit a minute earlier was a fluke. In fact, it was actually more fluky, because Ray hit a shot he is arguably the greatest in NBA history at (a spot up 3), while Parker threw up a shot he almost never would take, and would probably miss 9 times out of 10. It was the epitome of a "hero" shot, that he somehow hit.

Great posts in this thread. :toast

[DeadlyDynasty]

No, you're better than them. The Celtics 22 year drought in the modern NBA era shuts the door on them.
We've been the better team since Richard Nixon was president, true.

Still, 17 rings in 21 chances is incredible, even if most of them were obtained when there was 6 teams in the league

[DeadlyDynasty]

We've been the better team since Richard Nixon was president, true.

Still, 17 rings in 21 chances is incredible, even if most of them were obtained when there was 6 teams in the league
Btw, this makes a great trivia question: The Celtics are 17-4 in the NBA Finals, with 3 of those losses at the hands of the Lakers. Who was the only other team to beat them?

I had to look it up, tbh

[Robz4000]

1) You know why Battier hit 7 threes? Because the Spurs defense was leaving him open, in hopes of containing Lebron.

2) It's nothing Battier hasn't done before. He plenty of times has come up clutch when his team needs him, including a big series in the finals the year before against OKC.

3) Again, the shots were WIDE OPEN shots. Nothing fluky. The Spurs just had a defensive strategy for that game that didn't work in their favor.

Don't make it seem like Miami had all kinds of lucky stuff happen for them to win that game 7. The Spurs had a strategy. Miami made them pay. That would be like a Miami fan saying that Danny Green had a fluky series, because of all the 3s he was hitting. No, he was getting insanely open on a lot of them because the Heat were too focused on sending extra help out for Parker's defender. Once they realized that Parker doesn't need to be doubled to be contained, Green didn't get many open looks, Parker struggled to create, and the Spurs offense suddenly didn't look so great. This right here IMO is the real reason this series even went to 7. If Miami would have just played TP straight up all series (which anyone with a brain knows that is how you play TP, doubling him is the worst thing you can do), there would have been far less of those 3s by Green and Neal, and Miami probably would have won sooner, perhaps in 5.

Either way, the Spurs flat out got beat. End of story. It wasn't a fluke. They simply didn't deserve it.

If you want to call Ray's 3 a fluke, then you could say the ridiculous step-back 3 that Parker had just hit a minute earlier was a fluke. In fact, it was actually more fluky, because Ray hit a shot he is arguably the greatest in NBA history at (a spot up 3), while Parker threw up a shot he almost never would take, and would probably miss 9 times out of 10. It was the epitome of a "hero" shot, that he somehow hit.

Battier hitting those threes was an enormous fluke. He was missing wide open threes all playoffs long.

Never said he wasn't clutch, I've wanted him on the Spurs for years, but at that point in time with the way he had been playing up to that point, it was extremely unexpected (though I should've known better considering he's fucked the Spurs out of nowhere in the past).

They were wide open for Battier, yes, and he finally started hitting them, but Chris Bosh and Ray Allen were the true heroes of game 6.

The Battier hitting shots he wasn't hitting in the past two months consistently was flukey, but other than that it was Miami showing their championship pedigree. I disagree with the series going less than seven; Parker was absolutely doing work in those playoffs up until he got hurt. It's not like the games the Spurs won were particularly close either (sans game 1 which they won without Green hitting a ridiculous amount of 3s).

As for the Parker shot, yes that was flukey, but with the way he performed that season and the fact he nailed that same shot multiple times against Memphis and GS is proof he was capable of doing it.

[Robz4000]

Jeez, I just read this and realized what a retarded sentence this was.

Sure, they were elite defensively, but offensively? Not so much. 13 Spurs offense was WORLDS better than the 99 and 03 offenses. Their offense is what kept them in the series and got them ahead.

:cry phlip pls :cry

[Venti Quattro]

Btw, this makes a great trivia question: The Celtics are 17-4 in the NBA Finals, with 3 of those losses at the hands of the Lakers. Who was the only other team to beat them?

I had to look it up, tbh

:lol Found it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%9358_NBA_season

[spurraider21]

:lol Found it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%9358_NBA_season
:rollin were the lakers taking that year too?

[Venti Quattro]

Still, all that said they were an Horry in-and-out 3 from completing a furious Game 5 comeback and crushing San Antonio's spirit.

2003 is underrated in the list of really disappointing Lakers playoff losses -- not because Fisher and Kobe cried in Game 6, but because Horry's in and out just killed the Lakers. He couldn't hit anything in that series. Had he made that the Lakers would've had back-to-back Game 5 buzzer-beaters against the Spurs. :lol

Not only that, LA would've four-peated. No offense to Dallas but I think that the Lakers would've had enough to beat them in the 2003 WCF. And then Nets in the finals again... :lmao

That probably would've changed the course of the next couple of seasons. Would the Lakers still have gotten Malone and Payton? Would Kobe have gone into Colorado and meet Kate Faber?

[irishock]

^ Well, you wouldn't have Kobe 2 over Shaq's rocking chair ass's 1 :lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

Yeah, Rob had an 0-fer from the 3-pt line that series but he gave us so many awesome moments and saved the Sacto series the year prior...I was happy for him in 2005 and 2007, just like I'm happy Fish has kept up his clutch, Spur-killing ways in post-LA life:lol Tough miss in G5, but like I said I'll take HIS good/bad moment ratio any day of the week--it was a great look, just didn't drop.

[Phillip]

Battier hitting those threes was an enormous fluke. He was missing wide open threes all playoffs long.

Never said he wasn't clutch, I've wanted him on the Spurs for years, but at that point in time with the way he had been playing up to that point, it was extremely unexpected (though I should've known better considering he's fucked the Spurs out of nowhere in the past).

Well he is a career 38% 3pt shooter, and shot 43% from 3 that year. The only "fluke" would be all the wide open 3s he had been missing through their run. There was nothing fluky about him finally coming through and hitting extremely open shots. Shooters keep shooting, for that exact reason.


They were wide open for Battier, yes, and he finally started hitting them, but Chris Bosh and Ray Allen were the true heroes of game 6.

So nothing that was done for the previous 47 minutes and 55 seconds of the game meant anything? How about the part where Miami was down double digits, San Antonio had all the momentum, and Lebron told everyone to get out of his way and singlehandedly got them back into the lead? How about the 5 minutes of overtime where Miami as a team played suffocating defense and made plays when they needed them? If they didn't do that, then Bosh's rebound and Ray's 3 means nothing. Quit trying to be a typical spurfan and make excuses and minimize Miami's accomplishment. The series went 7 games, and Miami flat out proved they were the better team.


The Battier hitting shots he wasn't hitting in the past two months consistently was flukey, but other than that it was Miami showing their championship pedigree. I disagree with the series going less than seven; Parker was absolutely doing work in those playoffs up until he got hurt. It's not like the games the Spurs won were particularly close either (sans game 1 which they won without Green hitting a ridiculous amount of 3s). No one said Parker wasn't putting in work. But when they kept doubling him, it opened the floor up for everyone on the Spurs. Once they stopped, and they forced him to shoulder more of a scoring load and have less room to distribute, things changed. Perhaps his injury had a part, but if you want to play that card, Wade was clearly hurting and not himself either for the series.


As for the Parker shot, yes that was flukey, but with the way he performed that season and the fact he nailed that same shot multiple times against Memphis and GS is proof he was capable of doing it.

Oh, so that doesn't apply to Shane Battier, having a cold run, but finally getting hot and hitting wide open shots like he has all career?

Funny, the double standards spurfan continues to have :lol

[Phillip]

Not only that, LA would've four-peated. No offense to Dallas but I think that the Lakers would've had enough to beat them in the 2003 WCF. And then Nets in the finals again... :lmao


None taken. Most Dallas fans were ecstatic that the Spurs beat LA, because LA was the only team we didn't feel confident about beating.

[irishock]

Shaq would have had his 2000-02 Finals moment early if he faced Lafrentz/Bradley in the WCF :lol

[Phillip]

Shaq would have had his 2000-02 Finals moment early if he faced Lafrentz/Bradley in the WCF :lol

Oddly, that year, Shaq wasn't the guy who really hurt the Mavs.

Dallas heavily used a zone defense that year. In general, when they played each other, they kept Shaq and Kobe from going too crazy.

It was Fisher, Fox and Deaven George who killed us that year, getting open for a bunch of spot up 3s in the Dallas zone. I still remember those games to this day, being the reason I first started hating Derek Fisher :lol he killed us

[FkLA]

DD is trolling imo. The Spurs unrivaled run of consistency since Timmy arrived is much more impressive than the Heat's 'better opponents'.

[Clipper Nation]

Phillip shitting all over SF in this thread, tbh....

[FkLA]

And the Spurs were very fortunate that Miami (Lebron) hit a cold stretch for a few games. Oh, and then of course once Lebron got back in his groove and was hitting his jumper like he had been doing basically all season long, Miami came back and won the series.

And the Mavs were even more fortunate that the King straight up choked in '11 tbh.

[DeadlyDynasty]

DD is trolling imo. The Spurs unrivaled run of consistency since Timmy arrived is much more impressive than the Heat's 'better opponents'.

Nah, if they 3peat I'll take the Riley era in Miami

[FkLA]

Nah, if they 3peat I'll take the Riley era in Miami

Yet they needed a once in a lifetime collapse from a Spurs core thats on its last legs. Prime Spurs wouldve wiped their ass with the Heatles tbh.

[MeloHype]

Miami had better opponents than the Shaq/Kobe Lakers?
Yeah Brandon Jennings/Monta Ellis were better

[Phillip]

And the Mavs were even more fortunate that the King straight up choked in '11 tbh.

I don't disagree.

I have always said, that if Lebron had stepped up and took the role as the #1 guy away from Wade, and quit being afraid of stepping on Wade's shoes, Miami would have beaten Dallas.

Although we all know you aren't trying to have legit basketball discussion here. You are just getting butthurt as usual :sleep

[Robz4000]

Well he is a career 38% 3pt shooter, and shot 43% from 3 that year. The only "fluke" would be all the wide open 3s he had been missing through their run. There was nothing fluky about him finally coming through and hitting extremely open shots. Shooters keep shooting, for that exact reason.



So nothing that was done for the previous 47 minutes and 55 seconds of the game meant anything? How about the part where Miami was down double digits, San Antonio had all the momentum, and Lebron told everyone to get out of his way and singlehandedly got them back into the lead? How about the 5 minutes of overtime where Miami as a team played suffocating defense and made plays when they needed them? If they didn't do that, then Bosh's rebound and Ray's 3 means nothing. Quit trying to be a typical spurfan and make excuses and minimize Miami's accomplishment. The series went 7 games, and Miami flat out proved they were the better team.

No one said Parker wasn't putting in work. But when they kept doubling him, it opened the floor up for everyone on the Spurs. Once they stopped, and they forced him to shoulder more of a scoring load and have less room to distribute, things changed. Perhaps his injury had a part, but if you want to play that card, Wade was clearly hurting and not himself either for the series.



Oh, so that doesn't apply to Shane Battier, having a cold run, but finally getting hot and hitting wide open shots like he has all career?

Funny, the double standards spurfan continues to have :lol

Him getting hot like that was regression to the mean, but by that point there was little reason to think after leaving him open for most of the postseason he would start hitting everything he threw up. Then again I guess Game 5 Manu was an example of the same thing happening.

Lebron also turned it over twice in the final minute and bricked a wide open three that allowed the Spurs to put a stranglehold on the series before choking it away. The series did go seven games but as you and many of the other posters down here like to remind us, the Spurs gave that series away. Miami fought tooth and nail to win it, but in the end it took the Spurs choking on a bag of dicks for it to happen.

Wade actually started playing really well by Game 4 and made himself a factor, yet the Spurs were still in a situation to win. It helped Duncan finally got around to playing better as the series wore on. That had as much an impact as the Heat's gameplan for Parker changing.

You claimed it was a shot he normally wouldn't take, yet he took it several times in the playoffs and made it; completely different situation. He had been making that shot and took it with the confidence it had a solid chance of going in. Meanwhile Battier had been taking those shots and missed most of them (Shit, HH was even documenting it pretty heavily throughout the Heat's run last year). While it was regression to the mean, it was still extremely surprising it would happen out of nowhere in Game 7. I digress though, hat's off to him for clutching up like normal.

:lol I've always wondered if you were a troll of DD or mono/m>s' tbh. I really hope I haven't been arguing with one of you this whole time.

[Robz4000]

Phillip (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15120) shitting all over SF in this thread, tbh....

Son, its hard to argue for your team when they did straight up choke, but god dammit I'm trying...

[Venti Quattro]

^ Well, you wouldn't have Kobe 2 over Shaq's rocking chair ass's 1 :lol

Pau still would've ended up here and Kobe still would've won #5 and #6. The way Shaq demanded the Good Doctor Buss to "pay him", there was no returning back from that.

[FkLA]

I don't disagree.

I have always said, that if Lebron had stepped up and took the role as the #1 guy away from Wade, and quit being afraid of stepping on Wade's shoes, Miami would have beaten Dallas.

Although we all know you aren't trying to have legit basketball discussion here. You are just getting butthurt as usual :sleep

He didnt even need to be the alpha, since Wade was still capable of carrying the team back then. LBJ wasnt even a solid #2 that series which wouldve been enough imo. Heat returned the favor though since Dirk and co. choking away '06 is still pretty inexplicable. :lol

[Phillip]

You claimed it was a shot he normally wouldn't take, yet he took it several times in the playoffs and made it; completely different situation. He had been making that shot and took it with the confidence it had a solid chance of going in. Meanwhile Battier had been taking those shots and missed most of them (Shit, HH was even documenting it pretty heavily throughout the Heat's run last year). While it was regression to the mean, it was still extremely surprising it would happen out of nowhere in Game 7. I digress though, hat's off to him for clutching up like normal.

Um, step back 3s? Yeah I would love to see some footage of him taking and making them multiple times in the playoffs as you suggest. Even the best, most purest of jumpshooters rarely take step-back 3s the way Parker did in that situation. Not saying he didn't hit any, just I hadn't see it from him, and anyone that has watched Parker in his career, knows he is a mediocre 3pt shooter at best.

I get the argument you are attempting to make, but unfortunately for you, your argument sucks more dick than Jason Collins. Fact is, you are comparing a contested step back 3 from a poor 3pt shooter, to a spot up wide open 3 from a guy who's offense is entirely spot up wide open 3s and is quite good at them.

And the initial comparison was calling Ray's 3 flukey, when he simply hit a spot up jumper. He is the most prolific 3pt shooter in NBA history. How is that flukey, especially if you compare it to Parker's step back 3?


:lol I've always wondered if you were a troll of DD or mono/m>s' tbh. I really hope I haven't been arguing with one of you this whole time.

Why would you think I am a troll of theirs? I've been on this forum longer than either of them tbh. I was actually the one who introduced Mono to ST.

[Phillip]

He didnt even need to be the alpha, since Wade was still capable of carrying the team back then. LBJ wasnt even a solid #2 that series which wouldve been enough imo. Heat returned the favor though since Dirk and co. choking away '06 is still pretty inexplicable. :lol

Cool reply bro. Great basketball takes :tu

[D-Wade]

He didnt even need to be the alpha, since Wade was still capable of carrying the team back then. LBJ wasnt even a solid #2 that series which wouldve been enough imo. Heat returned the favor though since Dirk and co. choking away '06 is still pretty inexplicable. :lol

Thank you.

The way Wade was playing in the 11 Finals, all LBJ had to do was be as "bad" as Wade was in 12... 13 might be pushing it (although from gm 4 on (minus 6) Wade was good). LBJ was worse than bad, he didn't impose his will at all.

[FkLA]

IMO Dirk was the 2nd best PF ever even before 2011 despite his chokejobs.

[Phillip]

Thank you.

The way Wade was playing in the 11 Finals, all LBJ had to do was be as "bad" as Wade was in 12... 13 might be pushing it (although from gm 4 on (minus 6) Wade was good). LBJ was worse than bad, he didn't impose his will at all.

IMO, Lebron wasn't quite as bad as people say. Could he have been more assertive? Absolutely.

But at the same time, Carlisle had their defense pretty much focused on not allowing Lebron to create, and on the other hand, they pretty much allowed Wade to do what he wanted. I think they know that Lebron being able to create was more devastating than Wade being able to create. I think it was evident they were doing that as Marion was almost exclusively on Lebron all series. Also, they frequently would play ball denial on Lebron and almost any time he started to get going, they changed their defense to a zone and focused on keeping him out of the paint.

Most of the defense was geared for Lebron. The only time I really saw any extra defensive effort given to Wade, was Carlisle bringing in Cardinal to foul him hard. I don't doubt for a second that his hard fouls were intentional just to try to find a way to throw Wade off a bit.

[Phillip]

:rollin Diaw > Lee

[Robz4000]

Um, step back 3s? Yeah I would love to see some footage of him taking and making them multiple times in the playoffs as you suggest. Even the best, most purest of jumpshooters rarely take step-back 3s the way Parker did in that situation. Not saying he didn't hit any, just I hadn't see it from him, and anyone that has watched Parker in his career, knows he is a mediocre 3pt shooter at best.

I get the argument you are attempting to make, but unfortunately for you, your argument sucks more dick than Jason Collins. Fact is, you are comparing a contested step back 3 from a poor 3pt shooter, to a spot up wide open 3 from a guy who's offense is entirely spot up wide open 3s and is quite good at them.

And the initial comparison was calling Ray's 3 flukey, when he simply hit a spot up jumper. He is the most prolific 3pt shooter in NBA history. How is that flukey, especially if you compare it to Parker's step back 3?



Why would you think I am a troll of theirs? I've been on this forum longer than either of them tbh. I was actually the one who introduced Mono to ST.

Welp, we'll have to agree to disagree here because I'm starting to lose track of the argument. I'm saying that, although Parker is a poor 3 point shooter career-wise, lately (and especially last year) he was taking and making threes I remember two specific ones in Game 3 against GS and Game 4 against Memphis where he made them in clutch time (or somewhat clutch time as neither game was as close as 6).

I never said Allen's 3 was a fluke and I knew as soon as he shot it it was good. Parker's was more of a fluke. However, in regards to the situation and how each player had been playing so far in the playoffs, I felt Parker's shot was less flukey than Battier suddenly erupting to hit all but one or two of his shots when he hadn't been in months. Again, regression to the mean, but it was pretty out of nowhere; hell, a lot of people both during and after the game called it so as well (both Spurfan and non-Spurfan).

I actually didn't at first; when I first started posting here you were one of my favorite posters because your takes were always pretty solid. They still are but now its hard to differentiate between you and DD sometimes unless I look to the left of the post.

[FkLA]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2808181/borisHOF.gif

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http://i.imgur.com/UzcNPmI.jpg

[Phillip]

Welp, we'll have to agree to disagree here because I'm starting to lose track of the argument. I'm saying that, although Parker is a poor 3 point shooter career-wise, lately (and especially last year) he was taking and making threes I remember two specific ones in Game 3 against GS and Game 4 against Memphis where he made them in clutch time (or somewhat clutch time as neither game was as close as 6).

I never said Allen's 3 was a fluke and I knew as soon as he shot it it was good. Parker's was more of a fluke. However, in regards to the situation and how each player had been playing so far in the playoffs, I felt Parker's shot was less flukey than Battier suddenly erupting to hit all but one or two of his shots when he hadn't been in months. Again, regression to the mean, but it was pretty out of nowhere; hell, a lot of people both during and after the game called it so as well (both Spurfan and non-Spurfan).

Works for me.


I actually didn't at first; when I first started posting here you were one of my favorite posters because your takes were always pretty solid. They still are but now its hard to differentiate between you and DD sometimes unless I look to the left of the post.

lol thanks

[FkLA]

stretch and solid takes in the same sentence? long paragraphs of shit =/= solid takes :lmao

Roddy=Parker+Rose+Nash
Dirk=2nd best PF ever even before 2011
Dirk>KG
Kawhi=Battier/Tony Allen
etc
etc

[Phillip]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2808181/borisHOF.gif

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http://i.imgur.com/UzcNPmI.jpg

Career 15/10 + multiple ASG appearances

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career 9/4 and being traded every couple years because he isn't good enough to keep

and :lmao at you bashing his defense, when him and Diaw both have a career D-rating of 107. Career offensive rating? Lee at 114, and Diaw at 106... :rolling Diaw being a career negative factor for his teams

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'd take Dirk over KG...if Thread were here he'd acknowledge how media conveniently forgets about Kevin's softscoop playoff days in Minny. I don't remember Dirk getting ousted from the first round 7 years in a row while smiling with a $125mil contract

[spurraider21]

defensive rating stats would lead you to believe carlos boozer is elite

[FkLA]

Career 15/10 + multiple ASG appearances

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career 9/4 and being traded every couple years because he isn't good enough to keep

and :lmao at you bashing his defense, when him and Diaw both have a career D-rating of 107. Career offensive rating? Lee at 114, and Diaw at 106... :rolling Diaw being a career negative factor for his teams

Diaws defense >>> David 'I let opponents shoot 60%+ on me' Lees defense

DRating includes Team DRating and puts a strong emphasis on rebounding. Lee boxing out opponents before they even shoot skews his rating. Exhibit A of your stupid takes tbh.

[Phillip]

Roddy=Parker+Rose+Nash

This is completely misquoted, although I don't have any issue admitting it was a terrible sounding take. BFD :jack:


Dirk=2nd best PF ever even before 2011

To biased morons like yourself, this won't go anywhere. But if I was building a team, outside of Timmy, there is no PF ever that I would rather build a team around, because of what Dirk brings to the table.


Dirk>KG

:lmao KG>Dirk


Kawhi=Battier/Tony Allen

Battier and Tony Allen pretty much are strong defensive players with limited offensive skillsets.

Kawhi Leonard is a strong defensive player with a limited offensive skillset. That was my comparison. And it still stands.

Looking back at my reply, I really don't know why I even replied to your crap. It is literally impossible to have any sort of progressive or legit discussion with you. You are too focused on trying to troll people that for some reason you have a personal disliking for (over an internet forum :rolleyes), but you are so awful at it that does nothing but make pretty much any legit, established poster here look at you as one of the worst posters in ST history. The only people who like you are GNSF, which is not a good thing.

[Phillip]

:cry don't say anything bad about my spurs :cry

[Phillip]

:lmao calling yourself ST's finest pretty much means you are actually one of ST's worst and are just starving for some kind of attention and recognition that you never will get in any sort of positive manner :lmao :lmao :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Do people rank the Bulls a top 3 franchise because of the Jordan effect?

Outside of the 90's, the Bulls were playoff fodder/lottery bound.

[Phillip]

Do people rank the Bulls a top 3 franchise because of the Jordan effect?

Outside of the 90's, the Bulls were playoff fodder/lottery bound.

Yep.

Bulls should not be top 5 IMO. San Antonio, Miami, Detroit have all had generally more successful histories as franchises. Chicago had 1 nice run with the best player ever.

[FkLA]

This is completely misquoted, although I don't have any issue admitting it was a terrible sounding take. BFD :jack:

Excuses.


To biased morons like yourself, this won't go anywhere. But if I was building a team, outside of Timmy, there is no PF ever that I would rather build a team around, because of what Dirk brings to the table.

How the fuck am I the biased one when you are the one making one of the most retarded statements ever. Dirk was a choker prior to '11, period.


:lmao KG>Dirk

Its not even all that close.


Battier and Tony Allen pretty much are strong defensive players with limited offensive skillsets.

Kawhi Leonard is a strong defensive player with a limited offensive skillset. That was my comparison. And it still stands.

Looking back at my reply, I really don't know why I even replied to your crap. It is literally impossible to have any sort of progressive or legit discussion with you. You are too focused on trying to troll people that for some reason you have a personal disliking for (over an internet forum :rolleyes), but you are so awful at it that does nothing but make pretty much any legit, established poster here look at you as one of the worst posters in ST history. The only people who like you are GNSF, which is not a good thing.

You still continue to think Kawhi is limited like Battier/Allen are? Did you not watch the NBA Finals imbecile? Let me know when Battier/Allen ever did anything similar offensively.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Do people rank the Bulls a top 3 franchise because of the Jordan effect?

Outside of the 90's, the Bulls were playoff fodder/lottery bound.
Yes...in addition to 6 titles, the Jordan effect globalized the NBA game to the point where it transcended sport. Ask anybody in the world who Michael Jordan is and they can tell you.

[Phillip]

Excuses.



How the fuck am I the biased one when you are the one making one of the most retarded statements ever. Dirk was a choker prior to '11, period.



Its not even all that close.



You still continue to think Kawhi is limited like Battier/Allen are? Did you not watch the NBA Finals imbecile? Let me know when Battier/Allen ever did anything similar offensively.

I literally didn't read any of this.

[irishock]

Phillip looking like Dirk in game 1 2011 WCF tonight :lol

[FkLA]

FkLA: 'Dirk is a borderline Top 25 player of all-time, Top 5 PF and has a Top 5 most unstoppable move of all-time.'

stretch the retard: :cry'Youre biased against Dirky.' :cry

[thunderup]

Phillip looking like Dirk in game 1 2011 WCF tonight :lol
He's taken a big wet shit on SF. Taking that effeminate faggot Robz4000 to school is the highlight.

[Robz4000]

He's taken a big wet shit on SF. Taking that effeminate faggot Robz4000 to school is the highlight.

Forum jizzrag makes his triumphant return after MethKC lost again. You ran off pretty quick the other night as well tbh.

:cry Big Dog can dish it but can't take it :cry

[Clipper Nation]

Phillip looking like Dirk in game 1 2011 WCF tonight :lol

And FkLA looking like Manu in 6 :lol

[thunderup]

Forum jizzrag makes his triumphant return after MethKC lost again. You ran off pretty quick the other night as well tbh.

:cry Big Dog can dish it but can't take it :cry
I know Philip got you floundered already but get your shit straight scrub; BD was here after the loss.

[Robz4000]

I know Philip got you floundered already but get your shit straight scrub; BD was here after the loss.

:lol for about 5 minutes before Thread drove you off. You gonna take an extended meth binge when Memphis taps that ass tomorrow night?

[spurraider21]

Phillip looking like Dirk in game 1 2011 WCF tonight :lol
cold blooded :lol

that was the game where JVG said Ibaka should name his first son dirk

[FkLA]

Nice to see nothing has changed and the NBA Forum is still the reacharound forum tbh.

[Venti Quattro]

The Bulls imo while their golden age just spanned one decade, the product they put in for the league at that time was just top-notch, bar none. Everybody bought into it. That stretch also had some of the best Bulls teams in their franchise and some of the best championship teams in league history.

Plus as DD said, the Jordan effect on the game...

[Thread]

Nice to see nothing has changed and the NBA Forum is still the reacharound forum tbh.

Bend over. I'll give ya a fuckin' reacharound.

[elmanutres]

So what rings are more valuable than others now? A ring is a ring. All of the them mean 1 thing. That the team that won it was the last team standing that year.

[TIMMYtoZO]

I would be curious to see how this Heatle squad would have fared against the 2001 Lakers teams that won 23 of their final 24 games to repeat.

[elmanutres]

1) You know why Battier hit 7 threes? Because the Spurs defense was leaving him open, in hopes of containing Lebron.

2) It's nothing Battier hasn't done before. He plenty of times has come up clutch when his team needs him, including a big series in the finals the year before against OKC.

3) Again, the shots were WIDE OPEN shots. Nothing fluky. The Spurs just had a defensive strategy for that game that didn't work in their favor.

Don't make it seem like Miami had all kinds of lucky stuff happen for them to win that game 7. The Spurs had a strategy. Miami made them pay. That would be like a Miami fan saying that Danny Green had a fluky series, because of all the 3s he was hitting. No, he was getting insanely open on a lot of them because the Heat were too focused on sending extra help out for Parker's defender. Once they realized that Parker doesn't need to be doubled to be contained, Green didn't get many open looks, Parker struggled to create, and the Spurs offense suddenly didn't look so great. This right here IMO is the real reason this series even went to 7. If Miami would have just played TP straight up all series (which anyone with a brain knows that is how you play TP, doubling him is the worst thing you can do), there would have been far less of those 3s by Green and Neal, and Miami probably would have won sooner, perhaps in 5.

Either way, the Spurs flat out got beat. End of story. It wasn't a fluke. They simply didn't deserve it.

If you want to call Ray's 3 a fluke, then you could say the ridiculous step-back 3 that Parker had just hit a minute earlier was a fluke. In fact, it was actually more fluky, because Ray hit a shot he is arguably the greatest in NBA history at (a spot up 3), while Parker threw up a shot he almost never would take, and would probably miss 9 times out of 10. It was the epitome of a "hero" shot, that he somehow hit.

pretty solid take. The thing that worries me about this year is that they heat will play parker straight up next time round by putting lebron on him. But still even when they played parker straight up in game 7, the spurs kept it very close. Was not even close to a blowout.

[Phillip]

Nice to see nothing has changed and the NBA Forum is still the reacharound forum tbh.

Actually, good job of pointing out that for the past 5 years or however long you have been around, we have had waves of posters come and go, and pretty much all of them have the same opinion of you.

There is a reason "nothing has changed". But it's not because of "reacharounds" as you claim. Perhaps you are simply stupid beyond imagination. It's time you accept the facts, and either accept/embrace your stupidity, or simply quit being a moron.

[Phillip]

I would be curious to see how this Heatle squad would have fared against the 2001 Lakers teams that won 23 of their final 24 games to repeat.

I would go with 01 Lakers in 6. Shaq at that time was simply too much to handle, and the roster in general was well rounded at that time. Although I think that a prime Lebron would completely eat that younger, smaller version of Kobe alive.

[irishock]

Actually, good job of pointing out that for the past 5 years or however long you have been around, we have had waves of posters come and go, and pretty much all of them have the same opinion of you.

There is a reason "nothing has changed". But it's not because of "reacharounds" as you claim. Perhaps you are simply stupid beyond imagination. It's time you accept the facts, and either accept/embrace your stupidity, or simply quit being a moron.

:lmao wow...

[RsxPiimp]

I would be curious to see how this Heatle squad would have fared against the 2001 Lakers teams that won 23 of their final 24 games to repeat.

Shaq

Nuff said

[irishock]

Chris Bosh on Shaq would be an interesting match-up, tbh...

[Rogue]

great satan is soon losing his athleticism even faster than he lost his hair tbh

[HI-FI]

DeadlyDynasty can be easy to hate when he's coked up and trolling in his Hart Bochner, douchebag way. But then he pulls the Vildernessss Girls card, and I can't quite hate.

http://www.storminforms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/diehard2.gif

[DeadlyDynasty]

scro if our paths ever cross I'll treat you to a backpage ho-diddly and a bag of Miami's finest. You'll sing my praises and wonder how a dude that successful can have such vices...but greatness is often untamed, as we know

[Budkin]

Stop it. They could of last year. The Spurs have the better coach but the Heat the two best players. After Timmy Bosh (this season) is probably better than anyone on the Spurs who are far less healthy this year.

All praise goes to Pop, but Spurs may push another 7 but Heat will 3peat.

No one gave the Spurs a chance in hell last year after Miami ripped off 27 in a row.

[Budkin]

I would be curious to see how this Heatle squad would have fared against the 2001 Lakers teams that won 23 of their final 24 games to repeat.

That would be an amazing series to watch but I'd have to go with the Lakers. Shaq and Kobe were basically both in their prime. Kobe alone was completely unstoppable. Watch the WCF when he pretty much single handedly destroyed the Spurs by himself.

[DeadlyDynasty]

That would be an amazing series to watch but I'd have to go with the Lakers. Shaq and Kobe were basically both in their prime. Kobe alone was completely unstoppable. Watch the WCF when he pretty much single handedly destroyed the Spurs by himself.
det Sacto series too...closed em out with 48 and 16

[Budkin]

det Sacto series too...closed em out with 48 and 16

Seriously, 2001 Kobe could have easily given 1992 Jordan a run for his money. He was just amazing.

[Thread]

http://www.storminforms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/diehard2.gif

It's a great turn there for Bochner. After Hans shoots him to death they drag him out. The SOB has the wherewithal to go completely limp and his feet turn inwards & lifeless. He had another highly charged role (as the evil brother) in the TV Mini Series "East of Eden" back some years even before "Die Hard." He's terrific there as well.

[DeadlyDynasty]

DeadlyDynasty (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15365) can be easy to hate when he's coked up and trolling in his Hart Bochner, douchebag way. But then he pulls the Vildernessss Girls card, and I can't quite hate.

http://www.storminforms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/diehard2.gif


The movie is slapstick gold imo

http://cdn3-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2013/12/F-Murray-Abraham-Loaded-Weapon-1.jpg

[FkLA]

Actually, good job of pointing out that for the past 5 years or however long you have been around, we have had waves of posters come and go, and pretty much all of them have the same opinion of you.

There is a reason "nothing has changed". But it's not because of "reacharounds" as you claim. Perhaps you are simply stupid beyond imagination. It's time you accept the facts, and either accept/embrace your stupidity, or simply quit being a moron.

Except for one small thing, all these years later its still the same posters. Still giving each other reacharounds. :lol

I didnt read your wall of text shit exchange with Rob. But as far as your exchange with FkLA, you didnt own anything.

[FkLA]

Bend over. I'll give ya a fuckin' reacharound.

:lol

Go fuck your mother some more, asshole.

[HI-FI]

It's a great turn there for Bochner. After Hans shoots him to death they drag him out. The SOB has the wherewithal to go completely limp and his feet turn inwards & lifeless. He had another highly charged role (as the evil brother) in the TV Mini Series "East of Eden" back some years even before "Die Hard." He's terrific there as well.
I know he directed PCU, but otherwise he's been quiet lately. I believe he just directs nowadays. But his Ellis is another aspect of Die Hard's lightning-in-a-bottle greatness.

scro if our paths ever cross I'll treat you to a backpage ho-diddly and a bag of Miami's finest. You'll sing my praises and wonder how a dude that successful can have such vices...but greatness is often untamed, as we know
appreciate it but I'm not really a coke guy. I know you got good tastes with movies and music, hence our appreciation of Peter Gabriel, we're both fans of Peyton (well not sure about you since the Super Bowl) so I'll take your advice on dirty latina pussy, it's definitely a vice of mine.
and agree about Loaded Weapon, saw that shit in the theaters. My friends would still bring up Vildernesss Girls years later.

[z0sa]

Superfriends coming together to win titles is cool and all, but that doesn't trump the Spurs in a small market building a team from scratch and being dominant for 15 years, repeat (or threepeat) be damned.

Cue tanking, lucky picks, asterisk seasons, etc

[200 miles]

Superfriends coming together to win titles is cool and all, but that doesn't trump the Spurs in a small market building a team from scratch and being dominant for 15 years, repeat (or threepeat) be damned.

Cue tanking, lucky picks, asterisk seasons, etc

/thread

[HI-FI]

I also don't think you can shit on the Spurs '99 trophy without shitting on the Heat's 06 championship. I was rooting for the Heat because I hated the Mavs back then but damn, that was vintage Stern. One of the ugliest championships ever imo.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Superfriends coming together to win titles is cool and all, but that doesn't trump the Spurs in a small market building a team from scratch and being dominant for 15 years, repeat (or threepeat) be damned.

Cue tanking, lucky picks, asterisk seasons, etc
Even the mini-dynasties (Pistons, Rockets) repeated. It's long been said that the hardest thing to do in sports is defend a championship. To go into the next season with the bullseye on your back and still come out on top shows incredible resolve and determination. The Spurs are 0-4 in doing this. 0 and 4...They had great teams, but didn't have the gumption to defend what was theirs.

[FkLA]

Its the 'hardest thing to do' yet its alot more common than playing at an elite level for 15 straight years. Noone, in any sport, has done what the Spurs have done. If the Big 3 played in NY, LA, or Miami theyd be gods.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Yeah, it's just too bad they don't hand out trophies for that. They do when you repeat, though--it's called the LOBT

[Killakobe81]

Yeah, it's just too bad they don't hand out trophies for that. They do when you repeat, though--it's called the LOBT

DD in rare form.
FKla no shame in being proud of what the Spurs have done it is a truly rare feat as well.
But LOB's are true legacy markers, I mean Dallas was right behind you with a decade of quality ball how many LOB's do they have to show for it?

4 is nothing to sneeze at, be proud. those 4 LOB's are greater than 15 solid seasons tbh ...

[z0sa]

Nice bolding there, bro. As if I'm not painfully fucking aware the Spurs are 0-4 in their search for a back to back. Ya dick. :lol

The real question is, how many teams repeated that were more than flashes in the pan, compared to 15 years of dominance and 5 Finals appearances? Discounting the Mikan Lakers, I can think of Magic's Lakers, the Bill Russell Celtics, and the Jordan Bulls. And Jordan's bulls are actually an outlier, really. Bill Russell, too, if you wanna bring differences in eras into account.

The Bad Boy Pistons had a stretch of maybe 6-7 years they were solidly contenders, and rivals with the Bird Celtics, no less. Rockets? Cmon. They're not worth mentioning in an argument against the Spurs in terms of dynasties. Yeah, Hakeem took DRob to school 1 on 1, let's avoid the inevitable trashtalk that always results from this argument. Hakeem > DRob. But don't tell me MJ's shady retirement didn't have a direct effect on Hakeem winning those two titles. Fucking Bird didn't even repeat, and he had a golden chance to in 87 after whooping Hakeem's ass in 86. Repeating is overrated. Wilt didn't repeat. Kareem didn't repeat til the twilight years of his career. Shaq needed one of, if not the most stacked team in NBA history to get his first repeat. Kobe had another stacked team in a year full of injuries. The Superfriends own another one of the most stacked teams in NBA history, which hurts the fact that they have been title contender on and off since 2005. The Bad Boy Pistons would never repeat in the 2000's era - they're the biggest influence on why the modern era exists, tbh.

The whole bullseye on the back thing is true, but the Spurs have had a bullseye on their back since 2004, I'd say.

[HI-FI]

Yes, repeating is awesome, but winning it in 05 and 07 is almost as good. And Spurs might've won it in 06 as well, which would've been a threepeat, if not for Pop and Manu, ie The Prequel to 6.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Yes, repeating is awesome, but winning it in 05 and 07 is almost as good. And Spurs might've won it in 06 as well, which would've been a threepeat, if not for Pop and Manu, ie The Prequel to 6.
This is why you my nigga...you don't let Manu skate by for the atrocities he's committed:tu

[HI-FI]

This is why you my nigga...you don't let Manu skate by for the atrocities he's committed:tu
Manu was a top 3 favorite player of mine the last decade, and I still like baldie a lot. Same with Pop. They're both very competitive people and passionate about things. But man, when those two shit the bed, it's like a work of art.

[z0sa]

Yes, repeating is awesome, but winning it in 05 and 07 is almost as good. And Spurs might've won it in 06 as well, which would've been a threepeat, if not for Pop and Manu, ie The Prequel to 6.

I put it all on Manu, tbh. Pop going smallball was stupid as fuck and I complained quite vocally about it at the time, but all things considered, we were seconds from a WCF appearance and Manu fucked it up going full retard.

[Thread]

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[Thread]

"Manu was a top 3 favorite player of mine the last decade, and I still like baldie a lot. Same with Pop. They're both very competitive people and passionate about things. But man, when those two shit the bed, it's like a work of art."

HI, goin' home with who brung him.

HI

[ezau]

Even the mini-dynasties (Pistons, Rockets) repeated. It's long been said that the hardest thing to do in sports is defend a championship. To go into the next season with the bullseye on your back and still come out on top shows incredible resolve and determination. The Spurs are 0-4 in doing this. 0 and 4...They had great teams, but didn't have the gumption to defend what was theirs.

Shitting on a team that has won 4 championships just because they never repeated:lol The last 0-4 that I remember was when the Lakers tried to win a single game against the Spurs last year:lol

[ezau]

Nice bolding there, bro. As if I'm not painfully fucking aware the Spurs are 0-4 in their search for a back to back. Ya dick. :lol

The real question is, how many teams repeated that were more than flashes in the pan, compared to 15 years of dominance and 5 Finals appearances? Discounting the Mikan Lakers, I can think of Magic's Lakers, the Bill Russell Celtics, and the Jordan Bulls. And Jordan's bulls are actually an outlier, really. Bill Russell, too, if you wanna bring differences in eras into account.

The Bad Boy Pistons had a stretch of maybe 6-7 years they were solidly contenders, and rivals with the Bird Celtics, no less. Rockets? Cmon. They're not worth mentioning in an argument against the Spurs in terms of dynasties. Yeah, Hakeem took DRob to school 1 on 1, let's avoid the inevitable trashtalk that always results from this argument. Hakeem > DRob. But don't tell me MJ's shady retirement didn't have a direct effect on Hakeem winning those two titles. Fucking Bird didn't even repeat, and he had a golden chance to in 87 after whooping Hakeem's ass in 86. Repeating is overrated. Wilt didn't repeat. Kareem didn't repeat til the twilight years of his career. Shaq needed one of, if not the most stacked team in NBA history to get his first repeat. Kobe had another stacked team in a year full of injuries. The Superfriends own another one of the most stacked teams in NBA history, which hurts the fact that they have been title contender on and off since 2005. The Bad Boy Pistons would never repeat in the 2000's era - they're the biggest influence on why the modern era exists, tbh.

The whole bullseye on the back thing is true, but the Spurs have had a bullseye on their back since 2004, I'd say.

Just thinking about how the Spurs have been contending since 1999 is amazing. That's a span of three fucking decades already. My God.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Shitting on a team that has won 4 championships just because they never repeated:lol The last 0-4 that I remember was when the Lakers tried to win a single game against the Spurs last year:lol
A better comeback would've been "The only 0-4 I know is the Buffalo Bills." Man, I gotta play the role of troll and spurfan on here...shits hard, man

[FkLA]

Yeah, it's just too bad they don't hand out trophies for that. They do when you repeat, though--it's called the LOBT

Well they got 4 of them LOBTs and 5 Finals trips during that 15 year span so its not like they came out empty handed.


DD in rare form.
FKla no shame in being proud of what the Spurs have done it is a truly rare feat as well.
But LOB's are true legacy markers, I mean Dallas was right behind you with a decade of quality ball how many LOB's do they have to show for it?

4 is nothing to sneeze at, be proud. those 4 LOB's are greater than 15 solid seasons tbh ...

Those 4 LOBTs are part of the 15 years. 03-07 a fluke shot from Fisher and a boneheaded play from Manu was the only thing that stopped them from winning every damn year. We arent talking about fools golds team like most of those Mavs squads were.

[ezau]

A better comeback would've been "The only 0-4 I know is the Buffalo Bills." Man, I gotta play the role of troll and spurfan on here...shits hard, man

I can't even imagine waking up everyday knowing that my team is 'managed' by Fredo:lol But well, the Lakers had a great run so did the Spurs.

[Robz4000]

A better comeback would've been "The only 0-4 I know is the Buffalo Bills." Man, I gotta play the role of troll and spurfan on here...shits hard, man

Could be worse, you don't have to actually live in San Antonio...

[ezau]

1) You know why Battier hit 7 threes? Because the Spurs defense was leaving him open, in hopes of containing Lebron.

2) It's nothing Battier hasn't done before. He plenty of times has come up clutch when his team needs him, including a big series in the finals the year before against OKC.

3) Again, the shots were WIDE OPEN shots. Nothing fluky. The Spurs just had a defensive strategy for that game that didn't work in their favor.

Don't make it seem like Miami had all kinds of lucky stuff happen for them to win that game 7. The Spurs had a strategy. Miami made them pay. That would be like a Miami fan saying that Danny Green had a fluky series, because of all the 3s he was hitting. No, he was getting insanely open on a lot of them because the Heat were too focused on sending extra help out for Parker's defender. Once they realized that Parker doesn't need to be doubled to be contained, Green didn't get many open looks, Parker struggled to create, and the Spurs offense suddenly didn't look so great. This right here IMO is the real reason this series even went to 7. If Miami would have just played TP straight up all series (which anyone with a brain knows that is how you play TP, doubling him is the worst thing you can do), there would have been far less of those 3s by Green and Neal, and Miami probably would have won sooner, perhaps in 5.

Either way, the Spurs flat out got beat. End of story. It wasn't a fluke. They simply didn't deserve it.

If you want to call Ray's 3 a fluke, then you could say the ridiculous step-back 3 that Parker had just hit a minute earlier was a fluke. In fact, it was actually more fluky, because Ray hit a shot he is arguably the greatest in NBA history at (a spot up 3), while Parker threw up a shot he almost never would take, and would probably miss 9 times out of 10. It was the epitome of a "hero" shot, that he somehow hit.

This a solid post. Spurs really had no business extending the series beyond Game 5 considering how stacked, disciplined, and well-coached the Heatles are. Pop brilliantly countered everything Spo had to offer until Game 6. By Game 7, the Spurs didn't have any new to offer, but it was still a very close and very winnable game.

[ezau]

Well they got 4 of them LOBTs and 5 Finals trips during that 15 year span so its not like they came out empty handed.



Those 4 LOBTs are part of the 15 years. 03-07 a fluke shot from Fisher and a boneheaded play from Manu was the only thing that stopped them from winning every damn year. We arent talking about fools golds team like most of those Mavs squads were.

And the Spurs were 28 seconds away from winning it all 14 years after their first LOB in 1999. Now that's what I call longevity. I'm not sure if there's going to be another team that would content as long as this POP-coached Spurs squad.

[Budkin]

A better comeback would've been "The only 0-4 I know is the Buffalo Bills." Man, I gotta play the role of troll and spurfan on here...shits hard, man

Tbh I still can't believe we couldn't even win just ONE of those. Still makes me sick.

[Jacob1983]

I am glad that if even Superfriends wins another watered down championship this year, that it will take them another year to 4peat because of my Mavs. I love that.

[Phillip]

Except for one small thing, all these years later its still the same posters. Still giving each other reacharounds. :lol

I didnt read your wall of text shit exchange with Rob. But as far as your exchange with FkLA, you didnt own anything.

Great face-saving post dude! :tu

[Phillip]

Noone, in any sport, has done what the Spurs have done.

Well, there was those Celtics teams that won 13 championships in 20 years with only 1 sub-.500 year in that span due to a major roster change... and then the Lakers had a 15 year run where they won 5 championships, went to 9 finals total, and only had 2 years in that span with less than 50 wins (45 and 47)... and then the Bulls who in an 11 year run, had only 2 seasons with less than 50 wins (47 and 47) and won 6 championships... so perhaps you are technically right in that no one has done what the Spurs did... because other teams in history have had unquestionably better runs.

[FkLA]

*modern era

The Patriots are the only ones that are in the same company.

[Phillip]

*modern era

The Patriots are the only ones that are in the same company.

80s Lakers and 90s Bulls aren't modern era?

:lmao

"we are only going to count the past 15 years as being part of the modern era, which happens to be the 15 years that the Spurs have had their fantastic run! :clap :clap :clap"

[FkLA]

I've heard of that guy named Michael Jordan, dipshit. Bill Russell too.So yes obv that's what I meant--didn't think I needed to clarify that but you're a special kind of stupid so I guess I shouldve.

[Phillip]

I've heard of that guy named Michael Jordan, dipshit. Bill Russell too.So yes obv that's what I meant--didn't think I needed to clarify that but you're a special kind of stupid so I guess I shouldve.

Considering you said only the Patriots are in the same company, obviously you didn't mean that at all. If you did, then you would have acknowledged the fact that Jordan's Bulls and Magic's Lakers had unquestionably superior runs during their stretches.

[FkLA]

smh stretch the regard strikes again

[irishock]

Yeah the Yankees haven't been contenders for 20 straight years. Nor the Red Wings. I'd say the Spurs are the Red Wings of the NBA since both orgs are similar in their ways and they're not located in a big market. Except our fans outclass the faggot cliff divers from upstairs.

[Phillip]

smh stretch the regard strikes again

Please prove your point.

[Phillip]

Yeah the Yankees haven't been contenders for 20 straight years. Nor the Red Wings. I'd say the Spurs are the Red Wings of the NBA since both orgs are similar in their ways and they're not located in a big market. Except our fans outclass the faggot cliff divers from upstairs.

:lol I didn't even bother thinking about Hockey or Baseball, considering how in basketball alone, there have been several teams that have had better runs than the Spurs. Even teams in the more "modern" era. But somehow logic tends to elude certain individuals who constantly has to tell everyone on the forum how smart they are with their UTSA pedigree, and refer to themselves as "STs finest" to make themselves seem less stupid.

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah the Yankees haven't been contenders for 20 straight years. Nor the Red Wings. I'd say the Spurs are the Red Wings of the NBA since both orgs are similar in their ways and they're not located in a big market. Except our fans outclass the faggot cliff divers from upstairs.
I've always seen the Devils as a better NHL comparison for the Spurs, tbh....

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I've always seen the Devils as a better NHL comparison for the Spurs, tbh....

Why? Red Wings have had collective greatness for over a decade. Devils are close but wishy washy.

[irishock]

They haven't been nearly as consistently good as the Spurs though

[Clipper Nation]

Why? Red Wings have had collective greatness for over a decade. Devils are close but wishy washy.
The Devils and Spurs have both had quasi-dynasties where they never repeated, they both have been built around low-key superstars (Brodeur and Duncan), Lou is kind of the Pop/Buford figure, both have had a lot of success despite being in a non-glamorous market with not a lot of money to spend, and both choked in epic fashion in their most recent trip to the Finals (Steve Bernier, 6)....

[spurraider21]

Is repeating necessarily a requisite for a dynasty? I'd have to say the Duncan-Spurs are more of a dynasty than the Dream Rox or Bad Boy Pistons were

[313]

80s Lakers and 90s Bulls aren't modern era?

:lmao

"we are only going to count the past 15 years as being part of the modern era, which happens to be the 15 years that the Spurs have had their fantastic run! :clap :clap :clap"

:lmao You're on a roll, man.

But for me it's

80s Lakers
90s Bulls (even despite the "Jordan Rules")
99-14 Spurs

Comparing current era teams to the Russell Celtics would be unfair. Like comparing a great scorer of the modern era to Wilt's 50 ppg.

The Superfriends could be up there one day if they continue to win for years to come. As it stands right now, They're just three all stars that came together to dominate a pathetic conference over a three year span. If They're still relevant even 5 years from now, they'll be a legit dynasty.

They're in the Bad Boy Pistons, Houston Rockets tier atm except those teams didn't have to buy their championships :lol

[resistanze]

A better comeback would've been "The only 0-4 I know is the Buffalo Bills." Man, I gotta play the role of troll and spurfan on here...shits hard, man

:rollin

[Phillip]

Comparing current era teams to the Russell Celtics would be unfair. Like comparing a great scorer of the modern era to Wilt's 50 ppg.


I agree completely. Which is why when he adjusted to modern era, I said that the Lakers and Bulls still should keep their spot, as opposed to only the Patriots being on par with the Spurs success.

[FkLA]

So you think Ive never heard of MJ or what? Like I said youre a special kind of stupid.

These last 15 years nobody, not just in basketball but in any sport, has done what my Spurs have. That was the point of that post not to suggest that the Spurs are the greatest team in the history of all sports.

[Phillip]

So you think Ive never heard of MJ or what? Like I said youre a special kind of stupid.

I never said that once. As usual, you are getting your feelings hurt too easily.


These last 15 years nobody, not just in basketball but in any sport, has done what my Spurs have.

Don't try to change what you said. You weren't just talking about the past 15 years. Your quote below -


Its the 'hardest thing to do' yet its alot more common than playing at an elite level for 15 straight years. Noone, in any sport, has done what the Spurs have done. If the Big 3 played in NY, LA, or Miami theyd be gods.

That was in response to other teams in history such as the Bulls and Rockets that have repeated as champions. So it was very clear the conversation was involving multiple eras.


That was the point of that post not to suggest that the Spurs are the greatest team in the history of all sports.

I never said that was your point nor did I think that was your point. My initial reply was to make it clear that other teams have had comparable extended periods of success, unlike your belief that no one in any sport ever has. Not only that, but I was pointing out that other teams had extended periods of success that were unquestionably superior to the Spurs run of the past 15 years.

As I've made clear many times, you take offense to anything that isn't "go-Spurs-go!" and feel that it is a slight against them. Then you take it upon yourself to defend them, and usually end up 1) only hurling baseless claims and insults and 2) making yourself look like an emotional faggot. I wasn't trying to dismiss them and their absolutely incredible achievements. In fact, I even said that they are the 3rd best franchise in NBA history. I was only trying to dismiss your (typically) incorrect claims.

I would expect more from such a well educated person like yourself. Perhaps you should start a few more threads telling everyone how smart you are with your UTSA education and how stupid everyone else on the forum is.

[FkLA]

It is extremely easy to prove that the Spurs arent the greatest team in the history of all sports.

So with that said why would I make that claim, imbecile ?

[irishock]

...they'll already be the 4th best franchise in NBA history:wow

Not bad for a team with a shade over 25 years of existence, and one that was ring-less this time 8 years ago.

:lol good thread, man.. 7 pages of non-stop butthurtness from Spurs fans within a day :lol

[DMC]

:lol good thread, man.. 7 pages of non-stop butthurtness from Spurs fans within a day :lol
You ever met a cock you won't suck?

[irishock]

Have you ever gone a day without talking about sucking another man's genitalia?

[DMC]

Have you ever gone a day without talking about sucking another man's genitalia?Probably not. I'd have to go back to my childhood to know for sure.

[Phillip]

It is :cryextremely easy to prove that the Spurs a:cryrent the greatest team in the history o:cryf all sports.

So with that :crysaid why would I make that cla:cryim, imbecile ?

Again, I never said or implied in any way, shape, or form that you made that claim. Nor was the point of my rebuttal to make a claim that the 80's Lakers or 90's Bulls aren't the greatest team in the history of all sports.

Why are you getting your feelings hurt again?

[FkLA]

Again, I never said or implied in any way, shape, or form that you made that claim. Nor was the point of my rebuttal to make a claim that the 80's Lakers or 90's Bulls aren't the greatest team in the history of all sports.

Why are you getting your feelings hurt again?

You're too stupid to realize how stupid you are tbh.

[Phillip]

You're too stupid to realize how stupid you are tbh.

Oh well that's a completely original way to wave the white flag. :tu

[Bill_Brasky]

You're too stupid to realize how stupid you are tbh.

Oh, well, clearly you won that little exchange!

[DMC]

I'd take Dirk over KG...if Thread (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) were here he'd acknowledge how media conveniently forgets about Kevin's softscoop playoff days in Minny. I don't remember Dirk getting ousted from the first round 7 years in a row while smiling with a $125mil contractOr crying to the media about his drive to succeed after resigning with a team that's proven it doesn't want to.

[Rogue]

^ Kevin Love is the white Dwight Howard, both bitchmade inglorious bastards. Only difference is DH would rather take less pay to play for the team he likes while KL would take every penny he can possibly get

[FkLA]

Oh, well, clearly you won that little exchange!

I sure did! :lobt2:

[HarlemHeat37]

Stop it. They could of last year. The Spurs have the better coach but the Heat the two best players. After Timmy Bosh (this season) is probably better than anyone on the Spurs who are far less healthy this year.

All praise goes to Pop, but Spurs may push another 7 but Heat will 3peat.

Spurs match up extremely well with Miami, especially this season, a tired Heat team running a lot of dead weight, tbh..

The Spurs have probably learned from last year's series, too..

There are 3 key advantages for the Spurs:

- They defend Lebron better than anybody in the league

- Wade is a massive liability against the Spurs

- Duncan(even Diaw, if the Heat go small) dominates inside

[King Emmanuel]

i would rather lose in the first round than lose in the finals again. i can't take it

[FrostKing]

Are the nachos still on sale?

[endrity]

Reading this thread, and literally no one saw Kawhi coming.

[DAF86]

Stop it. They could of last year. The Spurs have the better coach but the Heat the two best players. After Timmy Bosh (this season) is probably better than anyone on the Spurs who are far less healthy this year.

All praise goes to Pop, but Spurs may push another 7 but Heat will 3peat.

lol lesser minder

[Robz4000]

:lol this thread aged like milk

[DMC]

Dont expect Spurs to beat them this year.

Enrique's defense has gotten worse, Danny Green won't catch them off guard, Oden will shutdown Duncan and Wade/Lebron/Bosh have improved their jumpshot.

:lol "Oden"

[lefty]

1. Celtics
2. Lakers (even though LA has been more relevant than the Celtics throughout NBA history, they own us and have the ring count)
3. Bulls
4. Heat (better core, better opponents)
5. Spurs
:lol