Historically the elite teams

[Avante]

Back in the day the Steelers were the worst team in the league, they totally sucked. They had one stud player in badass fullback John Henry Johnson (back then it was the fullbacks who ruled, Jim Brown, Jim Taylor and John Henry the best in the league) as we know that all changed. A strong case can be made that those 70's Steeler teams were the best ever. They had these Hall of Famers...

Offense

Terry Bradshaw
Lynn Swann....why?
John Stallworth
Mike Webster
Franco Harris

Defense

"Mean" Joe Greene
Jack Lambert
Jack Ham
Mel Blount

Only those Lombardi Packer teams rival that.

ofense

Bart Star
Jim Taylor
Jim Ringo
Paul Hornung
Forrest Gregg

defense

Willie Davis
Ray Nitscke
Willie Wood
Herb Adderley

So if we take Superbowl/winning into account and what else matters, this is how the 32 teams would rank.

1.Steelers
2.Cowboys
3.Niners
4.Patriots
5.Packers
6.Giants
7.Raiders
8.Broncos
9.Redskins
10.Dolphins
11.Colts
12.Ravens
13.Rams
14.Bears
15.Cheifs
16.Buc's
17.Saints
18.Seahawks
19.Jets
20.Bills
21.Vikings
22.Bengals
23.Eagles
24.Cardinals
25.Panthers
26.Titans
27.Falcons
28.Chargers
29.Browns
30.Jags
31.Texans
32.Lions

Winning a SB means everything so it carries a lot of weight.

[spurraider21]

:hat

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827fc2d9/article/1976-raiders-edge-2000-ravens-for-title-of-greatest-team-ever (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827fc2d9/article/1976-raiders-edge-2000-ravens-for-title-of-greatest-team-ever)

[spurraider21]

The Raiders have fallen far. a decade ago they were the winningest team not only in NFL history, but in any of the 4 major american sports (in overall win%)

[Avante]

The Raiders have fallen far. a decade ago they were the winningest team not only in NFL history, but in any of the 4 major american sports (in overall win%)

Yes they were and their battles with the Steelers as good as it got. They also had a truck load of Hall of Famers...

Jim Otto
Art Shell
Gene Upshaw
Fred Biletnikoff (Branch belongs before Swann)
Willie Brown
Ted Hendricks
Marcus Allen
Michael Haynes

But, they don't match those teams ranked above them with their three SB wins.

[Avante]

:hat

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827fc2d9/article/1976-raiders-edge-2000-ravens-for-title-of-greatest-team-ever (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827fc2d9/article/1976-raiders-edge-2000-ravens-for-title-of-greatest-team-ever)

Whoever came up with that knows ..0...about the NFL.

[Chinook]

Why are the Ravens so low when they have two titles and the best playoff winning percentage?

[Avante]

Why are the Ravens so low when they have two titles and the best playoff winning percentage?

Good point, so where do we put them? We'll twek until it's right.

[spurraider21]

The Patriots have 3 and you have them above the Packers and Giants, both of whom have 4

[Avante]

The Patriots have 3 and you have them above the Packers and Giants, both of whom have 4

Well lets fix it then, help me out. I want to get it right.

[spurraider21]

i'm not an expert/historian. sorry

i did profit from betting on the NFL season thanks to you though

[Avante]

i'm not an expert/historian. sorry

i did profit from betting on the NFL season thanks to you though

Glad I could help:toast


I got the impression you did know some history.

[Chinook]

The Ravens should be above any team with fewer than two rings. I guess their age should take them out of serious discussions for any higher than that. Also, the Texans are probably at the bottom, and the Browns should be higher.

[Avante]

The Ravens should be above any team with fewer than two rings. I guess their age should take them out of serious discussions for any higher than that. Also, the Texans are probably at the bottom, and the Browns should be higher.

I did take into consideration the short lived Raven history.

The Lions have been around a long time and have never played in a SB. The Browns were a great team once upon a time so I will move them up.

[monosylab1k]

The Patriots have 3 and you have them above the Packers and Giants, both of whom have 4

rofl

[Blake]

i'm not an expert/historian. sorry

i did profit from betting on the NFL season thanks to you though

:lol

[Avante]

I give up, never seen so many thrilled with being....duh!!!!!!!!

[dg7md]

The Ravens should be above any team with fewer than two rings. I guess their age should take them out of serious discussions for any higher than that. Also, the Texans are probably at the bottom, and the Browns should be higher.

Amazing that our team has left such a stamp on the history of the NFL with such a short tenure. We're lucky to have such a great franchise and leader like Ozzie. I don't disagree with much of Avante's list, solid all around.

[angrydude]

The cardinals are too high on your list. They have to be the worst franchise ever.

They were a charter team of the NFL in 1898 but have only ever won 2 titles of any kind ( 1925, 1947).

Their all time record is 511–716–39.

It's pretty hard to suck that hard.

[Avante]

Amazing that our team has left such a stamp on the history of the NFL with such a short tenure. We're lucky to have such a great franchise and leader like Ozzie. I don't disagree with much of Avante's list, solid all around.

I agree, what team did more sooner?

Thank you:toast

[Avante]

The cardinals are too high on your list. They have to be the worst franchise ever.

They were a charter team of the NFL in 1898 but have only ever won 2 titles of any kind ( 1925, 1947).

Their all time record is 511–716–39.

It's pretty hard to suck that hard.

Actually it was 1899 and it wasn't in the NFL, they had all kinds of problems prior to 1918, dismantled a couple times. In 1920 they joined the old APFL.

Anyway, so where do we put them?