Cosmos on Fox & NGC

[DMX7]

We were "done" a long time ago, you just weren't paying attention.
:lol

God is done.

[xmas1997]

translation: do the research for me so I can dismiss it anyway or call you a :cry troll :cry


I don't need to do that, your countless accusatory, inflaming, and baiting inane posts did it for you already.
You did it to yourself, you are your own worse enemy, yet you are too obtuse to see it.
:lol

[Blake]

I don't need to do that, your countless accusatory, inflaming, and baiting inane posts did it for you already.
You did it to yourself, you are your own worse enemy, yet you are too obtuse to see it.
:lol

It's a simple discussion. Settle down.

[Joseph Kony]

wtf is this retard even talking about

[xmas1997]

It's a simple discussion. Settle down.

:lol settle down?
You are the one melting down, not me.
In case you were too serious to notice, I was laughing AT you, as I am now.
:lol

[xmas1997]

wtf is this retard even talking about


You wouldn't understand if I told you, it's way over your head, sorry.
:lol

[Joseph Kony]

The ramblings of an deluded old useless fucking moron, yeah I probably wouldn't get it

[xmas1997]

The ramblings of an deluded old useless fucking moron, yeah I probably wouldn't get it


:lol moron? Look who is talking?
Only because you are a proven troll who loves being bashed over and over again.
The only thing old here is your worn out schtick.
It isn't even humorous.
Aren't you taking things a bit too seriously?
After all, this is just an internet forum.
You don't have to keep melting down if you don't want to. You have complete control of your mind and emotions.
Your intellect is another story however.
Like Ron White said, "you can't fix stupid."
:lol

[Joseph Kony]

tl;dr

[xmas1997]

tl;dr

You should have finished school.
Not my fault you have the IQ of a 5th grader.
Believe me, it shows!
:lol

[Joseph Kony]

tl;dr

[xmas1997]

tl;dr

You should have finished school.
Not my fault you have the IQ of a 5th grader.
Believe me, it shows!

[Blake]

Like Ron White said, "you can't fix stupid."
:lol

Dude that's harsh.

[ChumpDumper]

wtf is this retard even talking aboutCosmos, right?

[xmas1997]

Dude that's harsh.

Sometimes the truth is harsh.
In this case it is ludicrous.
:lol

[Blake]

Sometimes the truth is harsh.
In this case it is ludicrous.
:lol

I was being sarcastic.

Your trolling/junk talk is awful.

[xmas1997]

I was being sarcastic.

Your trolling/junk talk is awful.


That's easy, because it isn't trolling/junk talk, it's troll bashing, your reading comprehension is the absolute worst on here, and you have the gall to criticize mine, you have no leg to stand on.
Since you are always in troll mode, normal sarcasm from you is a misnomer.
:lol

[baseline bum]

Wow, that's cool to hear Robert Hooke (from Hooke's Law) was a budsmoker. :lol

[CubanSucks]

For fuck's sake how is there 525 posts? I haven't come in here since the first couple pages.

anyway, this show is getting corny as fuck tbh. The animated parts are awful and remind me of some straight to VHS from the 90s and the countless close up shots of babies staring at something is getting annoying

[Clipper Nation]

For fuck's sake how is there 525 posts? I haven't come in here since the first couple pages.

Jeebotards come in and melt down for multiple pages after every episode because Neil keeps shitting on them so hard :lol

[DMX7]

I missed tonight's episode watching basketball, but I have no doubt Neil didn't let me down. Go Evolution! Creationism is a FRAUD!!!

[CubanSucks]

Jeebotards come in and melt down for multiple pages after every episode because Neil keeps shitting on them so hard :lol

You sure it's not cause of tons of these...


I missed tonight's episode watching basketball, but I have no doubt Neil didn't let me down. Go Evolution! Creationism is a FRAUD!!!

You're sad, dude. You're letting science become your religion and you're coming off as an angsty teenager. I don't know if robdiaz and the rest are meaning to troll you but I'd consider you trolled as fuck

[DMX7]

You're sad, dude. You're letting science become your religion and you're coming off as an angsty teenager. I don't know if robdiaz and the rest are meaning to troll you but I'd consider you trolled as fuck

This is wrong on multiple levels.

First, I don't know in what context you are using the word religion. Science is most definitely not a religion -- at least not in the way we are defining it here. Science is based on evidence, is open to criticism, and has no preconceived agendas other than discovering the truth. To try to dismiss my passion for science as a religion (i.e., something that is different but on equal footing as creationism -- basically just a competing theory) is to really miss the point of the whole argument.

[DMX7]

I hope creationists on this board get the lube out for next week's episode. It's gonna hurt badly.

[baseline bum]

I hope creationists on this board get the lube out for next week's episode. It's gonna hurt badly.

Why? Next week's episode looks like it was going to be on relativity and perhaps quantum physics from the teaser.

[DMX7]

Why? Next week's episode looks like it was going to be on relativity and perhaps quantum physics from the teaser.

I'm just teasing, haha. :)

[Clipper Nation]

Why? Next week's episode looks like it was going to be on relativity and perhaps quantum physics from the teaser.

Yeah, but I'm guessing the explanation is not going to be "the imaginary sky man did it" :lol

[DMX7]

Yeah, but I'm guessing the explanation is not going to be "the imaginary sky man did it" :lol

Damn straight!

[CubanSucks]

This is wrong on multiple levels.

First, I don't know in what context you are using the word religion. Science is most definitely not a religion -- at least not in the way we are defining it here. Science is based on evidence, is open to criticism, and has no preconceived agendas other than discovering the truth. To try to dismiss my passion for science as a religion (i.e., something that is different but on equal footing as creationism -- basically just a competing theory) is to really miss the point of the whole argument.

You don't get it. I wasn't calling science a religion. I'm saying science isn't supposed to be ideological, it just is. You're arguing facts against beliefs, i.e., getting intentionally or unintentionally trolled. The creationists sure as fuck aren't gonna be persuaded by now. So why don't you focus on the science and cool shit in the show instead of acting like a 14 yr old who was forced to get up early for church.


I hope creationists on this board get the lube out for next week's episode. It's gonna hurt badly.

I don't even think they're sore yet but the blue balls you have for it are never gonna get emptied.

[DMX7]

You don't get it. I wasn't calling science a religion. I'm saying science isn't supposed to be ideological, it just is. You're arguing facts against beliefs, i.e., getting intentionally or unintentionally trolled. The creationists sure as fuck aren't gonna be persuaded by now. So why don't you focus on the science and cool shit in the show instead of acting like a 14 yr old who was forced to get up early for church.


“Altho' I rarely waste time in reading on theological subjects, as mangled by our Pseudo-Christians, yet I can readily suppose Basanistos may be amusing. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. If it could be understood it would not answer their purpose. Their security is in their faculty of shedding darkness, like the scuttlefish, thro' the element in which they move, and making it impenetrable to the eye of a pursuing enemy, and there they will skulk."

- Thomas Jefferson

[RandomGuy]

I'm sure if you google, "Is there any scientific proof that God exists?", you will find a lot of studies so far.


I just googled what I told you to google and was very surprised to see so many scientific arguments for existence.
It was no surprise to find for non-existence.


I googled the term.

I found neither scientific studies, nor scientific arguments.

I highly doubt that the change in wording from "scientific studies" before you looked, and "scientific arguments" to after you looked was an accident. Gotcha.

That aside, give me what you found to be the most effective "scientific argument", or hell, give me a link to a "scientific study".

Bullshit has been called. Walk the walk or GTFO.

[non-answer]



2nd time:
Give me what you found to be the most effective "scientific argument", or hell, give me a link to a "scientific study".



More BS. I just now googled, "Is there any scientific proof that God exists?" and got over ten pages worth, pro and con.
So either you are lazy or incompetent. You tell me.
I'm not doing your work for you, especially since you prefer to, what did you call it instead of trolling, smack talk?
Very little difference in trolling IMHO because the result you are after is the same.
Do you deny this? Or are your baseless accusations just part of your natural character flaws?
Whenever you are willing to be, or at least act like, a mature respectable sensible intelligent adult in your discussions, you will find me a willing participant.
But if you choose to troll, smack talk, spam, whatever, it's all the same thing, then all you deserve is bashing IMHO.
What you definitely do not deserve is respect whatsoever.
:lol

Ad hominems on me don't really answer the question.

You asserted both scientific articles and scientific arguments can be found. I merely asked for whatever you think was the best one out of all the pages and pages. If there are so many, any reasonable person should be able to easily cite one.

3rd time:
Give me what you found to be the most effective "scientific argument", or hell, give me a link to a "scientific study".

[RandomGuy]

:lolFish turned into rat that turned into ape, rofl. What kind of idiot would believe that?:lmao

Boring.

You aren't even trying any more.

Although, since I am out to show how unreasoning and illogical people who doubt that evolution really happened, even lame trolling attempts help me in that regard, so I can't complain too much.

Thanks for all the lack of hard work.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Good luck trying to get xmas to actually defend his religious beliefs. He loves talking about how he likes to have intelligent discussions, but when it's actually time to state what he believes and, why he'll dodge your questions until you stop responding to him.

[Clipper Nation]

Good luck trying to get xmas to actually defend his religious beliefs. He loves talking about how he likes to have intelligent discussions, but when it's actually time to state what he believes and, why he'll dodge your questions until you stop responding to him.

In before xmas calls you a "troll" and snitches on you to the mods...

[xmas1997]

In before xmas calls you a "troll" and snitches on you to the mods...

:lmao

You really believe this?
I don't think I ever called Woo a troll. Unlike you, who has clearly proven to be one.
But if he had been reading any of the threads that discuss this topic he would already know where I stand on this issue, I haven't hid it, ever.
And just because Woo wants me to "defend" my position, does not mean "I need to".


Woo, why is it so important to you that I, or anyone for that matter, defend their religious beliefs. Are you worried we might be right?
Or do you just want an excuse to criticize.
How can you defend something that revloves around "faith" anyway.
You tell me.
Basically my stand is this, I don't tell you what to believe in, and expect to be given the same consideration.
I only speak out when ignorance raises it's ugly head in the form of ridiculing others just because they have certain beliefs.
One of the major tenets in our constitution is "religious freedom". I stand for that as much as I stand for the right to own firearms.
It is what it is.
Now you may try to distort and twist this however you want, as will CN, that is his schtick, and yes, CN, that is the badge of a troll which you wear quite well for all to see.
:lol

[Woo Bum-kon]

"Faith" is belief for no reason. Believers have been so indoctrinated by the "you just need faith" cliche that they have completely turned off their ability to reason.

And don't pretend like this issue is less important than the rest of the crap you argue about on here. If you don't want to actually go in-depth about your religious beliefs, nobody is forcing you to do otherwise. I just don't understand why you bother to chime in if you offer nothing of substance when talking about religion. Just stick to the board drama that you love so much.

[xmas1997]

"Faith" is belief for no reason. Believers have been so indoctrinated by the "you just need faith" cliche that they have completely turned off their ability to reason.

And don't pretend like this issue is less important than the rest of the crap you argue about on here. If you don't want to actually go in-depth about your religious beliefs, nobody is forcing you to do otherwise. I just don't understand why you bother to chime in if you offer nothing of substance when talking about religion. Just stick to the board drama that you love so much.


So then, am I to assume you do not ascribe to "religious freedom" then?
Otherwise, why is it so important to you that I "defend" my beliefs or faith?
Is it really your business?

[Woo Bum-kon]

So then, am I to assume you do not ascribe to "religious freedom" then?

Non-sequitur.


Otherwise, why is it so important to you that I "defend" my beliefs or faith?

Why does board drama interest you so much? We all have things we like talking about.


Is it really your business?

No, but then again, nobody forced you to comment numerous times in threads about religion. Don't chime in and offer an opinion if you don't want to be criticized. I didn't hunt you down and make you express your stance; you did that all by yourself.

Don't try and pretend like I am violating your civil liberties. If you don't want to defend your beliefs, then don't. However, don't think that you can just spew crap about faith and not get criticized for it. Just go back to whining about Blake, because you have nothing interesting to say about religion at all.

[xmas1997]

Non-sequitur.



Why does board drama interest you so much? We all have things we like talking about.



No, but then again, nobody forced you to comment numerous times in threads about religion. Don't chime in and offer an opinion if you don't want to be criticized. I didn't hunt you down and make you express your stance; you did that all by yourself.

Don't try and pretend like I am violating your civil liberties. If you don't want to defend your beliefs, then don't. However, don't think that you can just spew crap about faith and not get criticized for it. Just go back to whining about Blake, because you have nothing interesting to say about religion at all.

I can respect that opinion.
Non-sequitur though?
Do you really think I am trying to confuse the issue or side track it?
I'm not. I have stated on numerous occasions my stance.
I just never have seen a reason to defend it because it is based on MY experience, knowledge, and insight.
That all equates to being "faith".
How do you explain something that is extremely "subjective" like that?
Believe me, it is not because I would not like to, it is rather because it isn't possible unless you experienced the same things I have.
I am not trying to evade. I just honestly don't know how to explain it, much more defend it.
At least I believe you have the intellectual know how to understand what I am saying, unlike the majority of the detractors on this site.
Thus I don't think I have ever challenged your intellectual abilities.
If I have, then I stand corrected.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Your question is a non-sequitur because no reasonable person would think that me criticizing their beliefs automatically means that I don't think they should be allowed to have them. I don't think a single atheist in this thread would argue that you shouldn't be allowed to believe what you want, so there is no reason whatsoever for you to even suspect otherwise.

[xmas1997]

Your question is a non-sequitur because no reasonable person would think that me criticizing their beliefs automatically means that I don't think they should be allowed to have them. I don't think a single atheist in this thread would argue that you shouldn't be allowed to believe what you want, so there is no reason whatsoever for you to even suspect otherwise.

Ok, I'll buy that explanation.
Still, it doesn't change any of the other stuff I said.
And honestly, I'm not trying to be an asswipe about this.
It is just way too subjective and somewhat private too.
For me to elaborate would be the same as bragging IMHO, and I am not a braggart.
Hope you can understand, and respect how I feel.
That's all I ask.

[DarrinS]

People that have irrational belief systems shouldn't throw stones



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLqb1hN9GaQ

lol 80 meters

[SnakeBoy]

People that have irrational belief systems shouldn't throw stones



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLqb1hN9GaQ

lol 80 meters

I think you missed his broader point...only science can fix all the shit that science has fucked up.

[DMX7]

Neal just took another shot at the creationists -- right in the crotch! No mercy, Neal! Go evolution!

[RD2191]

evolution isn't true, dog to cat? never happened. by the way you sounds like a sad little bitch. God exist, doesn't matter if you believe in him or not.

[DMX7]

evolution isn't true, dog to cat? never happened. by the way you sounds like a sad little bitch. God exist, doesn't matter if you believe in him or not.

Evolution is perfectly sound logic... God is nothing more than an explanation for how stupid you are -- it is a substitute for going out of your way to understand topics that require thinking like science.

[RD2191]

You sound really insecure, having to take shots when the thread was dead. Evolution and science won't give any meaning to your pathetic life. By the was Neal is Agnostic. You don't know how life on earth even began. You believe we came from a fish who decided to walk on water for no reason at all. You're the last person to be calling anyone unintelligent.

[baseline bum]

Pretty cool discussion of xray binaries.

[RD2191]

Gonna have to catch the rerun.

[DMX7]

You sound really insecure, having to take shots when the thread was dead. Evolution and science won't give any meaning to your pathetic life. By the was Neal is Agnostic. You don't know how life on earth even began. You believe we came from a fish who decided to walk on water for no reason at all. You're the last person to be calling anyone unintelligent.

There is no meaning to life other than the meaning you assign to it. Also, I'm not an atheist. If there is evidence of a God, then I will listen, but there is virtually none... other than the occasional Cheeto in the shape of a crucified Jesus.

We don't know every detail of how life began on Earth, but we know a lot, and essentially every new piece of evidence we find supports evolution and contradicts the fraud that is creationism/intelligent design. Progress is the enemy of fraudsters like yourself. It's understandable why you would hate science.

[RD2191]

Who said I hated science? I said science will never give you the sense of fulfillment you are looking for. Read the Bible and you will find God.

[DMX7]

Who said I hated science? I said science will never give you the sense of fulfillment you are looking for. Read the Bible and you will find God.

Evolution is science. You disdain it. Your mockery of such empirical evidence and sound logic is telling.

I'm not looking for fulfillment. Science is very fulfilling. You would know if you actually accepted it. The bible, on the other hand, is not fulfilling at all if you have a shred of common sense.

[RD2191]

Evolution is science. You disdain it. Your mockery of such empirical evidence and sound logic is telling.

I'm not looking for fulfillment. Science is very fulfilling. You would know if you actually accepted it. The bible, on the other hand, is not fulfilling at all if you have a shred of common sense.
Obviously not if you feel the need to mock people who believe in a creator. Why bump a thread that was already dead? Just so you can feel better about yourself or to reassure your belief that we came from a fish? Come on man.

[DMX7]

By the way, I grew up having to go to church and being forced to go to CCD (AKA brainwashing camp) after school. Even as a kid, I knew it was all bullshit. It's hard to believe an adult could still believe in stories like Noah's Ark.

[RD2191]

Sounds like a personal problem to me. Don't blame God for your brainwashing and bad experience, other people may have been responsible for it but not God. Why is it so unbelievable? With God helping anything is possible.

[DMX7]

Obviously not if you feel the need to mock people who believe in a creator. Why bump a thread that was already dead? Just so you can feel better about yourself or to reassure your belief that we came from a fish? Come on man.


“Altho' I rarely waste time in reading on theological subjects, as mangled by our Pseudo-Christians, yet I can readily suppose Basanistos may be amusing. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. If it could be understood it would not answer their purpose. Their security is in their faculty of shedding darkness, like the scuttlefish, thro' the element in which they move, and making it impenetrable to the eye of a pursuing enemy, and there they will skulk."

- Thomas Jefferson




With God helping anything is possible.

I do have a personal problem with fraud. What does "with god helping anything is possible" even mean? We know for a fact that a lot of devout Christians pray for things to happen everyday... often for legitimate selfless things too (i.e., not just for a new Ferrari or to win the lotto) and they don't have their prayers answered.


“Altho' I rarely waste time in reading on theological subjects, as mangled by our Pseudo-Christians, yet I can readily suppose Basanistos may be amusing. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. If it could be understood it would not answer their purpose. Their security is in their faculty of shedding darkness, like the scuttlefish, thro' the element in which they move, and making it impenetrable to the eye of a pursuing enemy, and there they will skulk."

- Thomas Jefferson

[Clipper Nation]

Who said I hated science? I said science will never give you the sense of fulfillment you are looking for. Read the Bible and you will find God.

:lmao Getting "fulfillment" from a magical invisible sky man and his book of fairy tales

[RD2191]

:lmao Getting "fulfillment" from a magical invisible sky man and his book of fairy tales
Who says they're fairy tales?

I do get a fulfillment out of reading the Bible, is there a problem with that if it's my life? Where do you get yours from? Spurstalk?:lmao

[RD2191]

I do have a personal problem with fraud. What does "with god helping anything is possible" even mean? We know for a fact that a lot of devout Christians pray for things to happen everyday... often for legitimate selfless things too (i.e., not just for a new Ferrari or to win the lotto) and they don't have their prayers answered.
That's not how God works, and no true christian with real knowledge and faith in God would pray to win the lottery.

" Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to get through a needle’s eye than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.” -Matthew 19:24

[DMX7]

That's not how God works, and no true christian with real knowledge and faith in God would pray to win the lottery.

" Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to get through a needle’s eye than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.” -Matthew 19:24

I know, that's why I say "Not". There are devout Christians who get cancer and pray for a cure that never comes or for the return of a child who goes missing and never returns... there are probably tens of millions of prayers that go unanswered by God that are NOT related to wealth.

Like I said, a complete fraud.

And if praying for legitimate selfless things is not how God works, then how does God work? You can't give us a distinct proposition of this without it getting easily exposed as fraud.

[Leetonidas]

Good thing Jesus died for my sins

[POPownsJackson]

Good thing Jesus died for my sins
Your avatar is Goku sjj4 no? Why his face is look weirdz though?!?

[InRareForm]

should of rolled a joint on this episode... trippy episode.

[Blake]

Who says they're fairy tales?

People with logic and common sense.

[baseline bum]

An astist's rendition of an X-ray binary (like Cygnus X-1 talked about last night):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkBP1gzCMAAzugE.jpg:large

A better discussion:

ytcRnNevayU

The equation at the end comes from the conservation of energy. Initially the potential energy U = 0 since we drop it from infinintely far away and kinetic K = 0 since we drop it at zero speed. So E = 0 gives the total mechancial energy. Since it crashes onto the neutron star with potential U = - G * M * m/R and kinetic energy K=1/2*m*v^2, by the conservation of energy we have 0 = E = K + U = 1/2*m*v^2 - G*M*m/R.

hkjemzzOgj8

[Leetonidas]

Your avatar is Goku sjj4 no? Why his face is look weirdz though?!?

No it's SSJ4 Nigel Thornberry

[baseline bum]

Ah man, fuck this thread. You try to actually talk science and it's fucking crickets.

[Blake]

Ah man, fuck this thread. You try to actually talk science and it's fucking crickets.

I'm not anywhere near that level to form a decent response.

Thanks for posting though. That's incredibly amazing shit.

[pgardn]

An astist's rendition of an X-ray binary (like Cygnus X-1 talked about last night):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkBP1gzCMAAzugE.jpg:large

A better discussion:

ytcRnNevayU

The equation at the end comes from the conservation of energy. Initially the potential energy U = 0 since we drop it from infinintely far away and kinetic K = 0 since we drop it at zero speed. So E = 0 gives the total mechancial energy. Since it crashes onto the neutron star with potential U = - G * M * m/R and kinetic energy K=1/2*m*v^2, by the conservation of energy we have 0 = E = K + U = 1/2*m*v^2 - G*M*m/R.

hkjemzzOgj8

Walter Lewin going off on a tangent in his intro mechanics physics class at MIT.
He retired but was very good. Notice the slice of cantaloupe on his sweater...

The artist's rendition shows visible x-rays, that would be artistic license.

[baseline bum]

Walter Lewin going off on a tangent in his intro mechanics physics class at MIT.
He retired but was very good. Notice the slice of cantaloupe on his sweater...

The artist's rendition shows visible x-rays, that would be artistic license.

Indeed it does. Don't think anyone would get too excited by a rendering in the visible spectrum. You ever seen his lecture on Rayleigh scattering? Or his rainbows lecture from 8.03?

[baseline bum]

Not really a tangent though, as he discusses astrophysics all the time in that group of lectures on angular momentum from that course. The collapse into a neutron star is so much more interesting than the iceskater pulling her arms in and speeding up when discussing the conservation of angular momentum.

[pgardn]

Indeed it does. Don't think anyone would get too excited by a rendering in the visible spectrum. You ever seen his lecture on Rayleigh scattering? Or his rainbows lecture from 8.03?

No. I mostly watched the mechanics.

So now question for the board since we all watched the Lewin lecture above:

what would the largest theoretical radius our sun could be to form a black hole (answer in km)?

I trust you can look up the mass of our sun and the universal gravitational constant...
Baselinebum can't answer.

You want crickets, I'll give you crickets.

[pgardn]

Not really a tangent though, as he discusses astrophysics all the time in that group of lectures on angular momentum from that course. The collapse into a neutron star is so much more interesting than the iceskater pulling her arms in and speeding up when discussing the conservation of angular momentum.

Yes but within that there is discussion on E and M, which I don't think these kids have taken.
It's all good, he relates stuff to his interests and research, many profs do this.

Personally I think changing the moment of inertia by spinning a student in a chair holding weights out and having them pull the arms in is damn neat. Or get on those horizontal merry go rounds on a playground and have everyone walk towards the middle except one person... Damn fun.

[pgardn]

No. I mostly watched the mechanics.

So now question for the board since we all watched the Lewin lecture above:

what would the largest theoretical radius our sun could be to form a black hole (answer in km)?

I trust you can look up the mass of our sun and the universal gravitational constant...
Baselinebum can't answer.

You want crickets, I'll give you crickets.

Ok I'm going to do some work now.
i will post the answer when I am done with the work.
you don't want to be disappointed so I expect answers before I return about 3 CST (Boutons especially)

Ready, start.

[baseline bum]

Personally I think changing the moment of inertia by spinning a student in a chair holding weights out and having them pull the arms in is damn neat. Or get on those horizontal merry go rounds on a playground and have everyone walk towards the middle except one person... Damn fun.

I think so too, but no way that competes with stellar collapse!

[pgardn]

No. I mostly watched the mechanics.

So now question for the board since we all watched the Lewin lecture above:

what would the largest theoretical radius our sun could be to form a black hole (answer in km)?

I trust you can look up the mass of our sun and the universal gravitational constant...
Baselinebum can't answer.

You want crickets, I'll give you crickets.

so in Walters lecture we learned that escape velocity, v = (GMs/Rs) to the 1/2 power or sq rt

If we assume a black hole has so much gravity that it does not allow light to escape, then v = 3 x10^8 m/s
G = 6.67 x 10^-11 and the mass of the sun 1.99 x 10^30 kg and there we go.

rearrange to solve for the radius our crunched sun would have to be:

Rs = GMs/v^2 And I get about 1,474 m or 1.47 km

So the sun would have to have a radius of about nine tenths of a mile while maintaining a mass of 1.99 x10^30 kg
Who volunteers to squish it?

This of course is based on the definition of a black hole given above.
Please check my numbers or elaborate.

[RandomGuy]

Not really a tangent though, as he discusses astrophysics all the time in that group of lectures on angular momentum from that course. The collapse into a neutron star is so much more interesting than the iceskater pulling her arms in and speeding up when discussing the conservation of angular momentum.

I agree. Sort of makes me wonder though about time dilation. Does the matter in that spinning star move slower through time if it gets spinning fast enough?

I know the theory of relativity applies for linear motion, but wonder about stuff that spins really fast. (not my area of expertise, I just think it is fun to learn about)

[RandomGuy]

Ok I'm going to do some work now.
i will post the answer when I am done with the work.
you don't want to be disappointed so I expect answers before I return about 3 CST (Boutons especially)

Ready, start.

Sorry, today is expense voucher day. had to work through lunch hour, so I am taking a super late lunch.

Read the answer, thanks for the interesting question.

[baseline bum]

so in Walters lecture we learned that escape velocity, v = (GMs/Rs) to the 1/2 power or sq rt

If we assume a black hole has so much gravity that it does not allow light to escape, then v = 3 x10^8 m/s
G = 6.67 x 10^-11 and the mass of the sun 1.99 x 10^30 kg and there we go.

rearrange to solve for the radius our crunched sun would have to be:

Rs = GMs/v^2 And I get about 1,474 m or 1.47 km

So the sun would have to have a radius of about nine tenths of a mile while maintaining a mass of 1.99 x10^30 kg
Who volunteers to squish it?

This of course is based on the definition of a black hole given above.
Please check my numbers or elaborate.

You used the low-orbit velocity and not the escape velocity pgardn, so the Schwarzchilld radius (found from that same argument) is 3km for a solar mass black hole.

In MKS units:
R = 2GM/c^2 = 2*7*10^(-11)*2*10^(30)/(3*10^8)^2 = (2*7*2)*10^(-11)*10^(30)/(9*10^(16)) = 30 *10^(-11)*10^(30)/10^(17) = 30*10^2 = 3000 (meters, since MKS units),

where I fudged things by calling 28=30 and 9=10 to make the math easier. So R = 3000 meters = 3km

[pgardn]

You used the low-orbit velocity and not the escape velocity pgardn, so the Schwarzchilld radius (found from that same argument) is 3km for a solar mass black hole.


I used the the idea that escape velocity for my hypothetical black hole would be the speed of light. That was the equation he gave for escape velocity I thought? So what should I have done differently? I'm not really a physics guy and definitely not an astronomy type. How dare this schwazer character mess up my thoughts.

oh thanks I see the above, I missed a 2... I need to go back and see why.

[baseline bum]

I agree. Sort of makes me wonder though about time dilation. Does the matter in that spinning star move slower through time if it gets spinning fast enough?

I know the theory of relativity applies for linear motion, but wonder about stuff that spins really fast. (not my area of expertise, I just think it is fun to learn about)

If you saw something falling into a black hole from a viewpoint outside, I think you would see it stuck at the event horizon forever. But really you wouldn't be able to see it because gravitational redshift would lower every photon's energy to arbitrarily close to zero just outside the Schwarzchild radius anyways, I think (recall the energy of a photon is ENERGY = PLANCK_CONSTANT * FREQUENCY, and gravitational redshift stretches out the wavelength, thus lowering the frequency). I mean, it would be so faint. But I know very very little general relativity, so DMC (who I could swear I saw was a physicist) could probably come in and clear things up way more, and maybe correct any errors I may have made.

[pgardn]

Oh shit, I just wrote the equation wrong. Using cconservation of energy 1/2mv^2 for K and I just left out the 2...

Always have others check your work.

[baseline bum]

I used the the idea that escape velocity for my hypothetical black hole would be the speed of light. That was the equation he gave for escape velocity I thought? So what should I have done differently? I'm not really a physics guy and definitely not an astronomy type. How dare this schwazer character mess up my thoughts.

oh thanks I see the above, I missed a 2... I need to go back and see why.

Escape velocity is the speed you need to get to infinity with zero kinetic energy. Any faster and you get to infinity with a little extra kinetic energy. So since potential is U=0 at a distance r=infinity, setting K=0 the total energy would be E=K+U=0. Since energy is conserved and since you're escaping from radius R at speed v, your energy there, E=K+U = 1/2 m v^2 - GMm/R (your mass is m) must also be zero. Thus you get v^2 = 2GM/R (your mass m cancels) for the escape velocity.

The v = (GM/R)^(1/2) is the speed you need so that you go just far enough forward to balance out how much you fall towards the Sun, keeping in a circular orbit just above the surface. Its when the centripetal acceleration v^2/r is given by, and thus equal to, the gravitational acceleration GM/r^2.

[pgardn]

If you saw something falling into a black hole from a viewpoint outside, I think you would see it stuck at the event horizon forever. But you wouldn't be able to see it because gravitational redshift would lower every photon's energy to arbitrarily close to zero just outside the Schwarzchild radius anyways, I think (recall the energy of a photon is ENERGY = PLANCK_CONSTANT * FREQUENCY, and gravitational redshift stretches out the wavelength, thus lowering the frequency). I mean, it would be so faint. But I know very very little general relativity, so DMC (who I could swear I saw was a physicist) could probably come in and clear things up way more.

This is where I get lost. Fudging for things really fast and things really small. I don't fully get relativity and definitely not quantum stuff. I have looked at the math for the easy quantum stuff and get lost.

[pgardn]

Escape velocity is the speed you need to get to infinity with zero kinetic energy. Any faster and you get to infinity with a little extra kinetic energy. So since potential is U=0 at a distance r=infinity, setting K=0 the total energy would be E=K+U=0. Since energy is conserved and since you're escaping from radius R at speed v, your energy there, E=K+U = 1/2 m v^2 - GMm/R (your mass is m) must also be zero. Thus you get v^2 = 2GM/R (your mass m cancels) for the escape velocity.

The v = (GM/R)^(1/2) is the speed you need so that you go just far enough forward to balance out how much you fall towards the Sun, keeping in a circular orbit just above the surface. Its when the centripetal acceleration v^2/r is given by, and thus equal to, the gravitational acceleration GM/r^2.

Yes, and, I had no idea I put up the the low earth orbit equation, it was an accident, I just left the 1/2 out using the conservation of energy. In other words I just left out a 2 from what Walter had written in the lecture. But I see the other as well, but it was accidental. You used mv^2/r, yesssssss. The m cancels if equal to newtons law of gravitation. You thought about it just using acceleration, same idea.

But hell yes, science works bitches... When others check your work.

and we could even use the conservation of angular momentum for the noncircular orbits... I'm gonna do something in my pants. This is too much good for one man.

[baseline bum]

This is where I get lost. Fudging for things really fast and things really small. I don't fully get relativity and definitely not quantum stuff. I have looked at the math for the easy quantum stuff and get lost.

I'm kind of lost myself why that classical equation should even apply, but I don't know much more than the equivalence principle when it comes to GR. If you know some PDE a lot of the weirdness in quantum starts making a bit of sense, provided you first accept the postulated Schrodinger's equation and the Born interpretation of the wavefunction.

[InRareForm]

I am so lost reading this page lol.

[pgardn]

I'm kind of lost myself why that classical equation should even apply, but I don't know much more than the equivalence principle when it comes to GR. If you know some PDE a lot of the weirdness in quantum starts making a bit of sense, provided you first accept the postulated Schrodinger's equation and the Born interpretation of the wavefunction.

E and M, waves and such, much more difficult for me. I have a much tougher time learning new things while busy, and not in my teens or twentys anymore. This stuff needs to be learned within a certain time frame imo. Biology and Chemistry can be learned older. Physics needs younger pliable minds imo. I'm a biochemistry type with decent understanding of mechanics.

[baseline bum]

Oh shit, I just wrote the equation wrong. Using cconservation of energy 1/2mv^2 for K and I just left out the 2...

Always have others check your work.

It's kind of funny; that equation r = 2GM/c^2 ~ M for the Schwarzchild radius shows a supermassive black hole, such as the one at the center of the Milky Way, might not be very dense. Since M ~ p r^3 ~ p M^3, where p is density, we have p ~ 1/M^2. Thus density of the space inside the event horizon falls off as the inverse square of the mass. Wonder if that means the supermasive black hole isn't too dense or if it means that there is a lot of empty space between a supermassive black hole and its event horizon. Man, I have to pick up a relativity book, like Carroll (http://www.amazon.com/Spacetime-Geometry-Introduction-General-Relativity/dp/0805387323) maybe. Heard MTW (http://www.amazon.com/Gravitation-Physics-Charles-W-Misner/dp/0716703440) is practically intractable as an introduction.

[baseline bum]

Eh, I'm confusing black hole and singularity in the post above. Of course the singularity is dense.

[mouse]

An astist's rendition of an X-ray binary (like Cygnus X-1 talked about last night):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkBP1gzCMAAzugE.jpg:large

A better discussion:

ytcRnNevayU

The equation at the end comes from the conservation of energy. Initially the potential energy U = 0 since we drop it from infinintely far away and kinetic K = 0 since we drop it at zero speed. So E = 0 gives the total mechancial energy. Since it crashes onto the neutron star with potential U = - G * M * m/R and kinetic energy K=1/2*m*v^2, by the conservation of energy we have 0 = E = K + U = 1/2*m*v^2 - G*M*m/R.

hkjemzzOgj8


After all the bullshit theories and worthless K=1/2*m*v^2 equations, Science still cant even explain Stonehenge
:lmao
http://blog.world-mysteries.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Stonehenge_Inside.jpg

[pgardn]

Mouse in the house, time to slap that shot into the stands.

So mouse mania thinks one can put math to the intentions of humans living long ago.
You just don't get it, and sadly you probably never will see the beauty.
Go back and put those headphones on and let the music of a chimp playing chopsticks bring you to tears.

[mouse]

Mouse in the house, time to slap that shot into the stands.

So mouse mania thinks one can put math to the intentions of humans living long ago.
You just don't get it, and sadly you probably never will see the beauty.
Go back and put those headphones on and let the music of a chimp playing chopsticks bring you to tears.

First off if you don't get why math is so important to prove the universe had a designer then maybe it's you that should think twice about debating a subject you have no knowledge in even using Google.

Second: I can listen to music debate at the MIT websites and still respond to your lame ass replies, its called multitasking...
something you only do when your masturbating and clicking the mouse.

[spurraider21]

evolution isn't true, dog to cat? never happened
if i misunderstood evolution as much as you did, i'll be honest, i probably wouldn't buy into it either

[mouse]

let me help try and simplify things...

There is "micro" Evolution that is when you get two dogs to fuck and create a new breed of dog it's from i'ts own "kind" Dogs......so "Micro" Evolution "does" exist.

But when you try and get a cat from a dog that is called "Macro" Evolution and its has not been proven yet.


That is why all the confusion and unnecessary drama you read in these topics, people just don't research shit anymore.


The textbooks say we all "Evolved" from a fish.... and that shit is a Lie.

[spurraider21]

ytcRnNevayU

The equation at the end comes from the conservation of energy. Initially the potential energy U = 0 since we drop it from infinintely far away and kinetic K = 0 since we drop it at zero speed. So E = 0 gives the total mechancial energy. Since it crashes onto the neutron star with potential U = - G * M * m/R and kinetic energy K=1/2*m*v^2, by the conservation of energy we have 0 = E = K + U = 1/2*m*v^2 - G*M*m/R.

hkjemzzOgj8
these were a joy to watch. i've never taken astrophysics, but obviously had an elementary understand of it while going through basic physics series. i've taken physical chemistry too, but its not as exciting as astro seems to be

[mouse]

these were a joy to watch. i've never taken astrophysics, but obviously had an elementary understand of it while going through basic physics series. i've taken physical chemistry too, but its not as exciting as astro seems to be

And with all that knowledge can you cure the common cold?

[mouse]

The truth is Science is still learning about the Universe and needs to cure Diabetes before it looks for another drop of water on Mars.

[Big Empty]

The truth is Science is still learning about the Universe and needs to cure Diabetes before it looks for another drop of water on Mars.
amen to that

[Big Empty]

damn pgardn and baselinebum are geniuses?

[baseline bum]

these were a joy to watch. i've never taken astrophysics, but obviously had an elementary understand of it while going through basic physics series. i've taken physical chemistry too, but its not as exciting as astro seems to be

That whole course is really awesome. It's just freshman mechanics, but the professor is probably the greatest teacher I have ever seen. If you want to see the whole thing, it's class 8.01 at MIT OpenCourseWare. He does tons of awesome experiments in all the videos.

[baseline bum]

amen to that

There is a simple cure to diabetes:putting the fork down.

[baseline bum]

damn pgardn and baselinebum are geniuses?

Nah man, that's just freshman level physics. I know a couple of true geniuses, and no one at spurstalk fits that.

[baseline bum]

these were a joy to watch. i've never taken astrophysics, but obviously had an elementary understand of it while going through basic physics series. i've taken physical chemistry too, but its not as exciting as astro seems to be

Never taken pchem. Is that like statistical mechanics?

[mouse]

Never taken pchem. Is that like statistical mechanics?

Have you tried Google?

[spurraider21]

That whole course is really awesome. It's just freshman mechanics, but the professor is probably the greatest teacher I have ever seen. If you want to see the whole thing, it's class 8.01 at MIT OpenCourseWare. He does tons of awesome experiments in all the videos.
my favorite professor i ever had was my freshman intro chem teacher (even though i had already taken AP chem in HS, ucla wants you to take all their shit over again anyway).

while i will probably regret this, that is young spurraider21 volunteering for a silly experiment back in 2009. not my channel, but i classmate posted it way back


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19VnQLNYcuw

the prof is totally badass and is a semi-legend at UCLA for this video...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om8VC4IfeRY



oh... and he always does this once a quarter for every class he teachers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1EOzAr7WKo

[pgardn]

damn pgardn and baselinebum are geniuses?

Curious is all.
And I see the beauty of Physics, not nearly deeply as some.
I got my BS in molecular biology, and masters in Biochem. I worked hard. It did not all come easy.
But physics is so much cleaner. One can't put much interesting math to biology as it has so many variables. It's all boring and highly statistical or just computer modeling.
Thats why it makes me laugh when mouse says science can't figure out Druids or whomever.

Mouse obviously sees science as much more than it really is. We know almost exactly what the moon will be doing two years from now because it follows fairly basic laws. But he wants a math formula for why he became a mystic. He has not the slightest idea what science can and cannot do because he has never really participated in any way, and has never really thought about the different ways humans try to understand the world around them. Including the difference between science, religion, and philosophy.

[pgardn]

my favorite professor i ever had was my freshman intro chem teacher (even though i had already taken AP chem in HS, ucla wants you to take all their shit over again anyway).

while i will probably regret this, that is young spurraider21 volunteering for a silly experiment back in 2009. not my channel, but i classmate posted it way back


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19VnQLNYcuw

the prof is totally badass and is a semi-legend at UCLA for this video...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om8VC4IfeRY



oh... and he always does this once a quarter for every class he teachers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1EOzAr7WKo

Both of my Organic Chemistry teachers were awesome. Too bad no video of them. I had a bunch of good teachers. My physics teachers were horrible. Yet I find Physics the most agreeable. Even though I forgot more than I now know. You can work physics problems a number of different ways and come up with the same similarities using very different approaches. It's like Xmas presents that change.

[baseline bum]

the prof is totally badass and is a semi-legend at UCLA for this video...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om8VC4IfeRY


CROFL, I loved to egg on the yelling retard preachers on Bruin Walk whenever my first class of the day was on North Campus. You're all fornicators! You're all going to hell!

[spurraider21]

hey mouse this is how science can help you specifically


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwJBjZFljKI

[mouse]

This is how "Science" can prove a designer.



http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-206902-p-2.html

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Proof-of-Alternative-design.jpg (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Proof-of-Alternative-design.mp4)

[pgardn]

Have you tried Google?

Yeah.

Its better than actually taking the class...

[pgardn]

CROFL, I loved to egg on the yelling retard preachers on Bruin Walk whenever my first class of the day was on North Campus. You're all fornicators! You're all going to hell!

Same crap at UT.

You are all homosexials and sissies. Homosexials, never will forget that.

[baseline bum]

Same crap at UT.

You are all homosexials and sissies. Homosexials, never will forget that.

But did you have the burnout potsmoker and the community college Lyndon LaRouche supporters too? Favorite line I ever heard yelled while walking to class: "I don't smoke weed cuz I'm STU-PID. I smoke weed cuz I'm SMART!" and then he plays doo-doo-doo-doo on his flute.

[spurraider21]

Never taken pchem. Is that like statistical mechanics?
iirc the pchem series i took was two parts, the the first part was largely thermodynamics/equilibrium and kinetics. the second segment we covered some statistical mechanics and quantum chemistry aka bonds/shapes. i dont recall to much statistical mechanics in there in my experience. i think if i was just a chem major and not biochem i would have gone further into it

[mouse]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Alternative-Design-003.jpg (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Alternative-Design-003.mp4)

[spurraider21]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Alternative-Design-003.jpg (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Alternative-Design-003.mp4)
god did it

[pgardn]

iirc the pchem series i took was two parts, the the first part was largely thermodynamics/equilibrium and kinetics. the second segment we covered some statistical mechanics and quantum chemistry aka bonds/shapes. i dont recall to much statistical mechanics in there in my experience. i think if i was just a chem major and not biochem i would have gone further into it

I had to take P chem. The thermo was not bad. The most common word, adiabatic. The quantum was horrible and I could not understand the prof from Taiwan. Pos tiv Pos tiv neg tiv neg tiv...

And you guys went to UCLA?
Jesus $$$...

[pgardn]

But did you have the burnout potsmoker and the community college Lyndon LaRouche supporters too? Favorite line I ever heard yelled while walking to class: "I don't smoke weed cuz I'm STU-PID. I smoke weed cuz I'm SMART!" and then he plays doo-doo-doo-doo on his flute.

The drag in Austin is...
Well it had every type of earthling imaginable.
But hugely interesting.
Right up from there along the main mall to the tower political arguments from all over the world lining both sides of the wide walkway.
Hindu v. Muslim Indians ... Llamas arguing with Camels... Everything.

[spurraider21]

I had to take P chem. The thermo was not bad. The most common word, adiabatic. The quantum was horrible and I could not understand the prof from Taiwan. Pos tiv Pos tiv neg tiv neg tiv...

And you guys went to UCLA?
Jesus $$$...
not done just yet. graduating in a couple of months

[SnakeBoy]

Twerking The Zeitgeist: Fans Of Science Should Be Worried About Cosmos Ratings

The reboot of Cosmos was on the must-see television list for many; it is a prime-time non-fiction science program, with one of the best hosts in science media, a generous budget, airing on 10 channels, and even had music by the guy who did Captain America. Excitement was high.

Then it actually began. It had an alarming non-science gaffe - the story of the likely insane philosopher Bruno reconfigured to be...what exactly, no one is sure. 25% of Episode One was devoted to talking about mean old religion in the middle of a narrative about cosmology only to have Neil Tyson then dismiss the entire story as Bruno not being a scientist anyway.

So what was the point of it in a science program again? Scorn for it somehow managed to bring together religious people and science historians, some to wonder if Cosmos was just an atheism PR move by outspoken atheist Seth MacFarlane or if Ann Druyan doesn't know what she is talking about.

I dismiss the latter, with a qualification. Ann Druyan is quite literate (1) and we don't know who botched the Library of Alexandria story on the original Cosmos. I wondered instead if Cosmos was a victim of lofty expectations. It isn't going to make people accept the science of GMOs or vaccines and it isn't going to make Young Earth Creationists think the world is 6,001 or more years old, it is just a TV show, I offered, and we should just enjoy it. I defended its ratings when it was prematurely declared a disaster.

But regardless of why it's not doing well, there is a money aspect to television programming and it is not looking good for prime-time science shows on network television, whether because it's science or because Cosmos is just not very good outside to those a tiny core of viewers. 4 million people in an hour is not bad, that is 4X the readers Science 2.0 has in a month, but the money spent on Cosmos was a far greater multiple too.

The numbers are bad. In the core demographic of adults 18-49, Cosmos dropped another 12 percent from a week ago and its total viewers last night were down another 9 percent also. That's a drop of 49 percent from week one (not including the simulcast numbers - across all channels Cosmos had 8.5 million viewers but let's not mix apples and Venus). It's still 70% better than Bob's Burgers at 7 PM but a drop from Family Guy for the first time. That means Fox is losing viewers it counted on.

Family Guy is still popular but maybe America has left Cosmos behind.

Culture is different today. The same culture that made the original Cosmos a hit also elected Ronald Reagan that same year. There were a lot more socially conservative Democrats and compassionate Republicans than we find now, and despite what the brains behind Cosmos think, people were not as scientifically literate then as they are now. Fox did not even have a TV network. Seth MacFarlane was 7 years old.

Today, the best endorsement Cosmos is getting is Bill Maher telling his friend MacFarlane he watched it twice - because he wanted to see it stoned. What's next, is Neil Tyson going to be in a Jack In The Box commercial getting late-night drive-thru food to try and drum up eyeballs?

At a San Diego Comic Con panel last summer, the folks behind the show wisely did a panel. Movie and television executives know people who have the disposable income to be at comic book conventions are a goldmine for advertisers so 'nerd cred' is crucial. Ann Druyan said the pendulum was swinging back to science and they wanted to 'twerk the Zeitgeist' and that statement may be part of the issue they are having reaching people; the creators of the show may be living in some other multiverse America where science is not accepted.

America leads the world in adult science literacy, America is the only country where college students are required to take science courses, America leads the world in Nobel prizes and in science output, with only 5 percent of the world's population.

Yet Druyan and MacFarlane, at least, feel like America is some religious backwater and Cosmos is going to fix it. One thing science media - well, science media without gigantic TV budgets - know is that assuming deficit thinking on the part of the public is never a good idea. You aren't going to raise science acceptance by assuming people are ignorant and that if you reach them with cartoons and graphics they will embrace it. In reality, America is diverse. Some people are never going to accept evolutionary biology just like some people will never accept food biology - spending time finding clever ways to take jabs at them in a short television program isn't constructive.

Cosmos is basically calling the audience uninformed - except the people watching it. In reality, the audience is far smarter about science than it was in 1980. Adult science literacy has tripled in America since 1988, and that means they don't respond to postmodernist gibberish about twerking the zeitgeist. Tyson, for his part, laughed that off and said if anything was getting twerked, it should be the zeitgeist - which means if he were not hosting Cosmos, he probably wouldn't be watching it.

http://www.science20.com/science_20/blog/twerking_the_zeitgeist_fans_of_science_should_be_w orried_about_cosmos_ratings-133029

[baseline bum]

God damn, can a conservative write an article without mentioning Reagan's tired ass?

[spurraider21]

God damn, can a conservative write an article without mentioning Reagan's tired ass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvdB6EG844o

[baseline bum]

So will Repugs like this episode since it talks shit about the chinks?

[baseline bum]

Actually, probably not since it discusses when the Muslim world was the center of human knowledge.

[baseline bum]

Pretty cool; never knew that's how infrared radiation was discovered.

[jeebus]

Actually, probably not since it discusses when the Muslim world was the center of human knowledge.
according to trill's coon ass, it was the niiggers :lol

[baseline bum]

Great episode again, explaining absorption lines and thus how we know what stars are made of from their spectrums. I think this series has long surpassed Sagan's original.

[baseline bum]

This one was far and away the best episode of the series.

[jeebus]

:tu I enjoyed this episode. Luckily we still have 7 more to go

[DMX7]

Best episode of the series. The teaser for next week's episode looks even better.

[HI-FI]

meh, i'll wait for the remake.

[HI-FI]

so does the black dude just stand in front of a green screen or fly a ship like Sagan? I think I remember Sagan in some sort of ship, traveling through the universe, but that could be another show. only thing I remember from the original was the killer Vangelis theme.

[jeebus]

so does the black dude just stand in front of a green screen or fly a ship like Sagan? I think I remember Sagan in some sort of ship, traveling through the universe, but that could be another show. only thing I remember from the original was the killer Vangelis theme.
Yes. Sagan also had his ship of the imagination. He also ran interrogations.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlpyGhABXRA

[DMX7]

so does the black dude just stand in front of a green screen or fly a ship like Sagan? I think I remember Sagan in some sort of ship, traveling through the universe, but that could be another show. only thing I remember from the original was the killer Vangelis theme.

You don't tend to remember much when you're high, clown.

[HI-FI]

You don't tend to remember much when you're high, clown.
:lol

since the show is supposedly from an atheist point of view, they should show all the electrons and neutrons that randomly buttfucked to create cannabis.

[HI-FI]

Spaceship of the Imagination, I had to look it up but I only seen the original one time but remember that aspect. I own the Heaven and Hell vinyl from which the theme comes from. Killer shit from Vangelis.

[Clipper Nation]

:tu I enjoyed this episode. Luckily we still have 7 more to go

7 more wet shits taken on Jeebotards by Neil :worthy:

[baseline bum]

7 more wet shits taken on Jeebotards by Neil :worthy:

None of them will likely top this tbh

4238NN8HMgQ

[RD2191]

So when did Neil create life? I'll wait.

[RD2191]

:lol

since the show is supposedly from an atheist point of view, they should show all the electrons and neutrons that randomly buttfucked to create cannabis.
:lol

[HI-FI]

7 more wet shits taken on Jeebotards by Neil :worthy:
upcoming episode is about how asians devolved to act black. i'm hearing emmy nominations tbh.

[RD2191]

upcoming episode is about how asians devolved to act black. i'm hearing emmy nominations tbh.
:lmao

[RD2191]

So when did Neil create life? I'll wait.
:wakeup

[HI-FI]

didn't Sagan blaze up? between that and using Vangelis, nigga had some good taste.

[Clipper Nation]

upcoming episode is about how asians devolved to act black. i'm hearing emmy nominations tbh.

Is Rakaruva hosting that episode? :lol

[HI-FI]

Is Rakaruva hosting that episode? :lol
:lol

[baseline bum]

Best episode of the series. The teaser for next week's episode looks even better.

I wonder if the next one will be about quantum physics: e.g., the double slit experiment, the uncertainty principle, the measurement problem, superposition, tunneling, etc. I guess they have to talk about that, but I don't think there is any satisfactory explanation not involving PDEs.

[xmas1997]

Apparently anyone professing to be Christian is not supposed to have any scientific views whatsoever, only atheists can be scientific?
How absurd.

[spurraider21]

Apparently anyone professing to be Christian is not supposed to have any scientific views whatsoever, only atheists can be scientific?
How absurd.
Noah's ark tbh

[xmas1997]

Noah's ark tbh

You never saw the documentary?

[Blake]

You never saw the documentary?

You really are that dumb, aren't you.

[xmas1997]

You really are that dumb, aren't you.

I guess you missed it too.
It was on this contraption they call a television and on a channel called "Discovery".
But that may be saying too much since "stupid" is a state that is genius next to you.
:lol

[Blake]

I guess you missed it too.
It was on this contraption they call a television and on a channel called "Discovery".
But that may be saying too much since "stupid" is a state that is genius next to you.
:lol

There's a newer contraption called the internets.

You're too stupid and/or lazy to use it to do anything other than whine about Spurstalk on Spurstalk.

[xmas1997]

There's a newer contraption called the internets.

You're too stupid and/or lazy to use it to do anything other than whine about Spurstalk on Spurstalk.

I know about the internet, but I wonder about you realizing it since I've been on it for quite a while now.
Or did you fail to notice that too?
You"re not very smart, are you?
That's okay, you'll get there one of these days, maybe.
Back to the subject.
You must have missed he documentary.
Not my fault you don't keep up with things.

[baseline bum]

You all should go out and check Mars right now in the southeast sky. It's really bright red; it's at the brightest that it will be for another 780 days or so when it is in opposition again.

[xmas1997]

You all should go out and check Mars right now in the southeast sky. It's really bright red; it's at the brightest that it will be for another 780 days or so when it is in opposition again.

I'll check that out.

[baseline bum]

I'll check that out.

Actually, I should say East Southeast. Nice view of the binary stars of Spica down and to the right of Mars too (though you can't resolve Spica as two stars even with a telescope).

[InRareForm]

will it still be bright red tommorow? I am in bed and don't want to go outside.

[DMX7]

New episode about to start.

[DMX7]

By the way, if you like this series, then you may also like "Hyperspace" presented by Sam Neil. It covers similar subjects. The graphics aren't as impressive, but arguable presents better content.

[jeebus]

Neil loves filming in those churches tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

i wonder how much weight Neil lost with all the walking he does in this series :lol

i'm actually starting to get peeved how he has to walk by the camera after every cut

[DMX7]

i wonder how much weight Neil lost with all the walking he does in this series :lol

i'm actually starting to get peeved how he has to walk by the camera after every cut

It's part of the wonder of science.

[jeebus]

I'd fuck Ms. Magan.

[baseline bum]

I gotta say, this one was a major letdown compared to last week's brilliant episode. Hope it comes back stronger next week.

[jeebus]

Neil not wasting time, taking no prisoners, bullying priests in the paint, etc

[xmas1997]

I gotta say, this one was a major letdown compared to last week's brilliant episode. Hope it comes back stronger next week.

What network is it on, which Fox?

[Clipper Nation]

Jeebotards screaming "No mas! No mas!" at Neil :lol

[baseline bum]

What network is it on, which Fox?

The main one. This episode is awesome again.

[xmas1997]

Jeebotards screaming "No mas! No mas!" at Neil :lol

That sounds like a gross exaggeration to me.
What for ever for?

[baseline bum]

Fucking scientology commercial.

[DMX7]

Fucking scientology commercial.

I missed the episode, but are you for real?

[baseline bum]

I missed the episode, but are you for real?

Scientology has been running ads every episode so far.

LOL @ Neils taking a big wet shit on global warming deniers.

[spurraider21]

Scientology has been running ads every episode so far.

LOL @ Neils taking a big wet shit on global warming deniers.
what about "lukewarmers" like DarrinS :rollin

[baseline bum]

That's cool, Tyson is right in front of El Capitan in Guadalupe Mountains NP.

[jeebus]

This show sure does have some great shots in it.

[RD2191]

Fish to rat to monkey to human. :lmao

[Blake]

Fish to rat to monkey to human. :lmao

All powerful magic :lmao :lmao

[spurraider21]

Fish to rat to monkey to human. :lmao
you still are clueless as to the concept of evolution :lol
you still think a chihuahua is a grey wolf

[RD2191]

Lol. Denial.

[Clipper Nation]

Fish to rat to monkey to human. :lmao

Invisible sky man :lmao
Fairy tales :lmao

[Avante]

Invisible sky man :lmao
Fairy tales :lmao

Dude, you ever happy about anything? Nobody should be this totally fucked up.

[Clipper Nation]

Dude, you ever happy about anything? Nobody should be this totally fucked up.
Whimperwhimperwahhhh

[Avante]

Whimperwhimperwahhhh

Didn't read, oh yeah.....faggot.

[ChumpDumper]

Why did Avante follow us into this thread?

[dg7md]

The lack of understanding of what evolution is by people is definitely a little worrisome.

Anyway, the show is solid. Not quite as good as the original but I love that youth of today can be invested in a show about science.

[mouse]

Fish to rat to monkey to human. :lmao

Actually Science teaches Rock to rat to monkey to human.

Random explosion a universe from nothing .

:lmao

[Blake]

Actually Science teaches Rock to rat to monkey to human.

Random explosion a universe from nothing .

:lmao

magic makes more sense

[Brazil]

magic makes more sense

Nah it's alternative design dude... ET and stuff

[RD2191]

Actually Science teaches Rock to rat to monkey to human.

Random explosion a universe from nothing .

:lmao
:lmao

[Blake]

:lmao :lmao magic

[mouse]

magic makes more sense

That's a cop out for those with weak minds or to lazy to try and comprehend what they cant explain.

[Blake]

That's a cop out for those with weak minds or to lazy to try and comprehend what they cant explain.

Right. So why do you use that cop out?

[RandomGuy]

:lmao :lmao magic

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Skip ahead about to 3:10 or so.

Anytime people start talking about the "bible is true" that passage there comes to my mind.


"well what about....?"

"maaagic"

[mouse]

Right. So why do you use that cop out?

Show the quote were I use the word magic.

[pgardn]

Show the quote were I use the word magic.

So how do you go about trying to understand the physical world?

Since Science is so defective what method do you prefer?

[Blake]

Show the quote were I use the word magic.

alternative design = intelligent design = magic

[Ricky Davis]

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[mouse]

alternative design = intelligent design = magic

Sperm + Egg = magic

Bill Gates + Altair = magic

Chewbacca + Chump Dumper = magic

What's your point and where did you read AD is Magic?

[spurraider21]

Sperm + Egg = magic

Bill Gates + Altair = magic

Chewbacca + Chump Dumper = magic

What's your point and where did you read AD is Magic?
magic = no observable basis for claims. god did it/the creator did it = magic. when you are no longer allowed to ask "how" because the answer is simply "god did it" you are using magic as your crutch.

you might ask how the big bang happened. some people would say they weren't sure about the workings of it, and continue to study, observe, and learn. others would just say "because it happened" and be lazy about it. route B is largely what you take in your approach to the topic. it all boils down the "the creator did it" with no curiosity for how

[mouse]

That's where AD steps in, we don't support the Bible or (magic) that is what is so frustrating at times having to explain myself to Blake and the RandomGuys of the forum.

[mouse]

So how do you go about trying to understand the physical world?

Since Science is so defective what method do you prefer?

Who said science is defective?

Also we don't bother trying to figure out all the useless details about a physical world no more than an ant living in an ant farm.

And to be honest does it really matter? We are here for a short time on this planet why not spend that time doing something productive?

[Infinite_limit]

I went to a local Roman Catholic Church for Easter. I was happy

[spurraider21]

That's where AD steps in, we don't support the Bible or (magic) that is what is so frustrating at times having to explain myself to Blake and the RandomGuys of the forum.
you can call it whatever you want. if your end all-be all answer ends up being "the creator did it" without entertaining a "how", you are talking magic. alternative, intelligent, i dont care what title you give it.

[spurraider21]

I went to a local Roman Catholic Church for Easter. I was happy
last year i went to a strip club, and i was happy. what's your point?

[mouse]

you can call it whatever you want. if your end all-be all answer ends up being "the creator did it" without entertaining a "how", you are talking magic. alternative, intelligent, i dont care what title you give it.

I had a feeling you would fall into the same limited thinking mold as the others for some reason you can't comprehend AD so you have to lump it with creation in order to use your out dated cookie cutter responses.

But you can't blame me for giving new blood a platform to participate.

[Blake]

I had a feeling you would fall into the same limited thinking mold as the others for some reason you can't comprehend AD so you have to lump it with creation in order to use your out dated cookie cutter responses.

But you can't blame me for giving new blood a platform to participate.

You made it up = magic

[mouse]

You made it up = magic

There are only two types of posters on ST, the ones that Hate Blake ......and the ones that just can't stand him.

:smokin

[Blake]

There are only two types of posters on ST, the ones that Hate Blake ......and the ones that just can't stand him.

:smokin

you made that up too

[spurraider21]

Mouse anytime who can no longer ask "how" is where I draw that distinction. With your view there comes a point where "how" is no longer relevant. It boils down to: because it's the creator

[MannyIsGod]

That's cool, Tyson is right in front of El Capitan in Guadalupe Mountains NP.

He did some shots near Santa Fe and a friend of mine went out to the site and got to talk to him for awhile. She's an astrophysicist so it was pretty cool for her but WTF how are you not going to invite?

[mouse]

Mouse anytime who can no longer ask "how" is where I draw that distinction. With your view there comes a point where "how" is no longer relevant. It boils down to: because it's the creator


Not in a "Bible" creation way but in a Artist creates a new design way the problem with you and others you all just don't get the difference that the AD supporters do.

That is my point that seems to be very difficult to make in a small minded forum.

[spurraider21]

Not in a "Bible" creation way but in a Artist creates a new design way the problem with you and others you all just don't get the difference that the AD supporters do.

That is my point that seems to be very difficult to make in a small minded forum.
Bible or not, this artist is a creator. How did he create? How long was he sitting around before creating the universe? These questions run into a dead end

[mouse]

Bible or not, this artist is a creator. How did he create? How long was he sitting around before creating the universe? These questions run into a dead end

Not really if you understand life.

The only reason there are only Atheists and Bible Thumpers on this planet is because of a limited thinking human that doesn't know of any other explanation so don't try and tell me there are only two choices just because that's your limited way of thinking not mine.

[Blake]

Not really if you understand life.

The only reason there are only Atheists and Bible Thumpers on this planet is because of a limited thinking human that doesn't know of any other explanation so don't try and tell me there are only two choices just because that's your limited way of thinking not mine.

Your choice falls into Bible Thumper camp. You just don't know it.

[mouse]

Your choice falls into Bible Thumper camp. You just don't know it.



Why wouldn't I know it if I'm having to explain myself every time if you would have be reading you see that is my point exactly.

[Blake]

Why wouldn't I know it if I'm having to explain myself every time if you would have be reading you see that is my point exactly.

you're claiming "design". The adjectives "intelligent" "alternative" "shitty" are irrelevant.

You're in their camp, Thumper.

[mouse]

you're claiming "design". The adjectives "intelligent" "alternative" "shitty" are irrelevant.

You're in their camp, Thumper.


Like I said a few posts above limited minds.

[Blake]

Like I said a few posts above limited minds.

Magic is limitless, amirite

[mouse]

Magic is limitless, amirite



So you believe it exits?

[mouse]

You made it up = magic

Blake let me tell you what your parents didn't.



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[Blake]

So you believe it exits?

No but you do.

[mouse]

No but you do.

Talking to you online is like a porcupine trying to have sex with a balloon.

[Blake]

Talking to you online is like a porcupine trying to have sex with a balloon.

sorry, but if you believe in "design" without evolution, it's magic.

[spurraider21]

Talking to you online is like a porcupine trying to have sex with a balloon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZkrBNNLS4

[mouse]

sorry, but if you believe in "design" without evolution, it's magic.

That is your limited thinking theory not mine.

And if you want to talk about "magic" Believing in the big bang and a universe from nothing is the biggest magic trick of them all.

[jeebus]

Nice little basic electricity course tonight.

[DMX7]

That is your limited thinking theory not mine.

And if you want to talk about "magic" Believing in the big bang and a universe from nothing is the biggest magic trick of them all.

The big bang theory doesn't suggest that the universe came from nothing.

[mouse]

The big bang theory doesn't suggest that the universe came from nothing.

Then what exploded?

First Research a topic then hit reply.



How the universe appeared from nothing

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/nstv/2011/07/how-the-universe-appeared-from-nothing.html








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[DMX7]

Then what exploded?


Something. Not nothing.

[Blake]

Then what exploded?

magic ass

[mouse]

Something. Not nothing.

Your speculating at best the truth is you and your clueless scientists have a drug induced theory that has more holes than a sponge.

Not only do you not explain what exploded you have no clue what made it explode.

The f_ck up thing about explosions all matter expands outward as each particle rotates in the same direction or until you examine two of jupiters moons that rotate in the "opposite" direction then your f_cked theory falls apart. To bad Science doesn't "research" they speculate aka bullshit in the textbooks.

[spurraider21]

Your speculating at best the truth is you and your clueless scientists have a drug induced theory that has more holes than a sponge.

Not only do you not explain what exploded you have no clue what made it explode.

The f_ck up thing about explosions all matter expands outward as each particle rotates in the same direction or until you examine two of jupiters moons that rotate in the "opposite" direction then your f_cked theory falls apart. To bad Science doesn't "research" they speculate aka bullshit in the textbooks.
There is this force called gravity that can alter the direction of traveling objects... As well as collisions between objects which do the same :lol. The Jupiter moon thing is a played out excuse. What are you going to bring up next? How the banana and it's magnificent form is proof of a god? :rollin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yBvvGi_2A

[mouse]

There is this force called gravity that can alter the direction of traveling objects..


:lmao



Dude sell some that shit your smoking! You have seen gravity make something stop spinning and then make it spin the other direction?


Please share this video or data you have. I'm sure I can reserve you a spot on the AM radio station Coast to coast with Art Bell..

PM me a number or email I can reach you at.


oh, and a heads up.............when the team of Scientists ask you why Gravity was a such racists and stopped only two Moons and allowed the other moons to continue spinning in the opposite direction... have a good comeback!


:lmao

[mouse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZkrBNNLS4



Rack!

[DMX7]

:lmao



Dude sell some that shit your smoking! You have seen gravity make something stop spinning and then make it spin the other direction?


Please share this video or data you have. I'm sure I can reserve you a spot on the AM radio station Coast to coast with Art Bell..

PM me a number or email I can reach you at.


oh, and a heads up.............when the team of Scientists ask you why Gravity was a such racists and stopped only two Moons and allowed the other moons to continue spinning in the opposite direction... have a good comeback!


:lmao

Is Mouse going to start denying gravity exists too?

[spurraider21]

:lmao



Dude sell some that shit your smoking! You have seen gravity make something stop spinning and then make it spin the other direction?


Please share this video or data you have. I'm sure I can reserve you a spot on the AM radio station Coast to coast with Art Bell..

PM me a number or email I can reach you at.


oh, and a heads up.............when the team of Scientists ask you why Gravity was a such racists and stopped only two Moons and allowed the other moons to continue spinning in the opposite direction... have a good comeback!


:lmao
yes, if an object comes across another object with a strong enough gravitational pull, it can definitely alter its path/movement, ie when a meteorite passes into our atmosphere and suddenly dives towards the earth instead of proceeding in a straight line and escaping back through space. there are plenty of moons with opposite direction orbits, but i'm assuming you are referring specifically about triton, which just happens to be the one in our solar system closest to its planet, and the largest. it is not a unique phenomenon however.

instead of worrying about PM's or emails, feel free to read up on the issue. here is one in text simple enough for even you to understand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrograde_and_direct_motion

also, if you dont buy this, why is god... im sorry, you aren't creationist, you are an advocate of intelligent design, a much more sophisticated sounding term for the same thing (something created our universe/planets/life... same shit), explain why the creator is "racist and stopped only two moons and allowed the other moons to continue spinning in the opposite direction"

[baseline bum]

yes, if an object comes across another object with a strong enough gravitational pull, it can definitely alter its path/movement, ie when a meteorite passes into our atmosphere and suddenly dives towards the earth instead of proceeding in a straight line and escaping back through space. there are plenty of moons with opposite direction orbits, but i'm assuming you are referring specifically about triton, which just happens to be the one in our solar system closest to its planet, and the largest. it is not a unique phenomenon however.

instead of worrying about PM's or emails, feel free to read up on the issue. here is one in text simple enough for even you to understand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrograde_and_direct_motion

also, if you dont buy this, why is god... im sorry, you aren't creationist, you are an advocate of intelligent design, a much more sophisticated sounding term for the same thing (something created our universe/planets/life... same shit), explain why the creator is "racist and stopped only two moons and allowed the other moons to continue spinning in the opposite direction"

Why do you debate mouse? :lol

[spurraider21]

Why do you debate mouse? :lol
good question. sizable gap between classes, have some solid spare time at this point of the day :lol

[mouse]

Is Mouse going to start denying gravity exists too?

It exists alright, I can prove it..... every time someone else brings some outdated bullshit theory that I can easily knock down I will use simple logic to not only determined by the speed your weak non debating online ass hits the reply icon can be divided by the time you hit reply added another bullshit attempt of weaker bullshit theories and minus a minute or two given your browser speed will almost certainly determine more or less how much gravity was being needed for you to hit rock bottom.

Divided by Pie

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[mouse]

Why do you debate mouse? :lol

Why do you read Kool-Aids topics?

Why does Chump keep saying he is not Chewbacca's bitch?

These are the same questions we want answers too..... ...."as the Club turns"..

(insert cheesy soap opera music)

[spurraider21]

mouse why was god racist and only choose those moons to spin in a different direction?

[xmas1997]

Why do you read Kool-Aids topics?

Why does Chump keep saying he is not Chewbacca's bitch?

These are the same questions we want answers too..... ...."as the Club turns"..

(insert cheesy soap opera music)

:rollin

[mouse]

It exists alright, I can prove it..... every time someone else brings some outdated bullshit theory that I can easily knock down I will use simple logic to not only determined by the speed your weak non debating online ass hits the reply icon can be divided by the time you hit reply added another bullshit attempt of weaker bullshit theories and minus a minute or two given your browser speed will almost certainly determine more or less how much gravity was being needed for you to hit rock bottom.

Divided by Pie

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Rolling Rock and MIT = http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/kingsfan/san-antonio-spurs.jpg

[mouse]

mouse why was god racist and only choose those moons to spin in a different direction?


Either your research skills are flawed or your new to ST I don't support the Bible or Creation but it's something I must repeat on a daily basis around here with the short memory mentality meant seem to have in this forum.

[spurraider21]

Some questions need not be answered..

is that the motto of the christian church? :lmao

[mouse]

is that the motto of the christian church? :lmao

Well the truth is you and many others don't really want answers and even if someone with more patients then myself tried to explain it the facts are your mind can't comprehend any of it.

[spurraider21]

Series concluded a couple of days ago... was good overall, but once the novelty wore off it lost a lot of the fascination. still was an incredible watch through and through, will definitely be buying the blu-ray set for it