Let's talk about Patty's running offense

[jkid12456]

It seems much smoother when Ginobili gets subbed out with Patty on the court running the offense. It will work in the playoffs, because im afraid of ginobili's turnovers.

Mills seems more confident running a bit of the offense, than just passing it at half court and acting like an sg. Evidence of this is the Patty/TP combination that hardly ever works. The offense just crumbles and patty doesnt get any shots off.

[RD2191]

Patty Mills cannot run an offense. Seriously, just stop it. Mills is a shooter, not a creator. He may have high assist numbers every now and then but that's is part of the Spurs system.

[Boomersgold]

Patty Mills cannot run an offense. Seriously, just stop it. Mills is a shooter, not a creator. He may have high assist numbers every now and then but that's is part of the Spurs system.

Ever since the month of February when Patty pretty much played starting point guard minutes, Patty's played better with the ball in his hands than with Manu running the offense. He really has two options when he runs the offense. One: He creates a shot for himself, and two: he passes it off and lets Pop's system play itself out.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Our offense pretty much requires at least one of Ginobili or Parker to remain on the floor at all times (not counting garbage time). In the playoffs it will be either Ginobili or Parker on the floor commanding the offense.

[Mhak]

Parker needs to stop the hero ball and let the game come to him.. Looks atrocious in some stints.. If your shots are not going down do the other stuff..

[Mikeanaro]

Chicks seems to like it.

[Kool Bob Love]

Would have saved our asses in 6.

[TheGoldStandard]

lol... Parker has had some solid games this month since coming back from his vacation, tonight was just not a good night for him.

Patty is not a facilitator, Manu gets the ball, Mills runs to the top of the key, a big runs out to set a screen, defender runs under the screen and Mills pops for a 3. That's what we see now and what we will expect come the playoffs

[Boomersgold]

I don't think Patty'd be able to 'run the offense', but he doesn't need Manu on the floor in order to be effective. Pop and his system 'runs the offense'. In other words, the role of the play-making, ball-dominant, point guard is redundant with the Spurs.

+/-
Patty +16
Manu +8

[ElNono]

It seems much smoother when Ginobili gets subbed out with Patty on the court running the offense. It will work in the playoffs, because im afraid of ginobili's turnovers.

Mills seems more confident running a bit of the offense, than just passing it at half court and acting like an sg. Evidence of this is the Patty/TP combination that hardly ever works. The offense just crumbles and patty doesnt get any shots off.

Get ready for Turnobili...

[HI-FI]

Would have saved our asses in 6.

[ElNono]

An aggressive Patty that's making shots is great help though... takes the focus away from Gino so he can operate easier... something we couldn't do with Neal when the playoffs got harder last season...

[Cry Havoc]

Just having the 3 weapons off the bench + Diaw is a massive luxury and will give teams fits in the playoffs. Seriously, who are you going to leave open? This offense is terrifying.

[KaiRMD1]

Would have saved our asses in 6.

Too bad ol' sport was injured and in a suit during the game.

[cd021]

Would have saved our asses in 6.

Of course he wouldn't he wasn't nearly as good as he is now. Plus he was injured not to mention Neal, Joseph and De Colo were ahead of him.

[cd021]

Just having the 3 weapons off the bench + Diaw is a massive luxury and will give teams fits in the playoffs. Seriously, who are you going to leave open? This offense is terrifying.

Plus when Splitter is with the second unit, there is the additional P&R threat between him and Manu.

[TE]

When Patty is in the game and is dictating the offense, the Spurs run a quick hitter double screen at the top of the three point line. It's very effective because it frees Patty to either:

1.) Shoot a three (which he does well)
2.) Use his speed and takes an angle for a drive to the basket
3.) Takes a pull up midrange J which he's shooting well

or (if he's hit shots in the game already -- which makes other teams have to honor his shot)

4.) Pass to a cutting big (usually the big that does the first screen)
5.) Pass to an open shooter on either elbow

[TE]

Eight other teams run a similar play with some slight variation. I saw the Blazers run it with Wesley Matthews and Lillard tonight.

[benfti]

Just having the 3 weapons off the bench + Diaw is a massive luxury and will give teams fits in the playoffs. Seriously, who are you going to leave open? This offense is terrifying.honestly, it's like we have 2 starting 5's

[sexinthatsx]

I trust Ginobili to make plays because he is a playmaker. I trust Patty Mills to take the ball up the court or create a shot because Mills can do exactly that; two different types of players. Come playoffs time, the only time we will see Patty Mills get minutes is if either Manu or Parker is playing like doo doo, or the Spurs are either blowing the other team out or getting blown out. Knowing Pop, he won't play Patty Mills unless he makes like three 3-pointers within a span of 2 minutes.

[hyhy]

I trust Ginobili to make plays because he is a playmaker. I trust Patty Mills to take the ball up the court or create a shot because Mills can do exactly that; two different types of players. Come playoffs time, the only time we will see Patty Mills get minutes is if either Manu or Parker is playing like doo doo, or the Spurs are either blowing the other team out or getting blown out. Knowing Pop, he won't play Patty Mills unless he makes like three 3-pointers within a span of 2 minutes.

In other words, pop will play mills with neal's minutes

[exstatic]

Would have saved our asses in 6.

Didn't realize it, but it came out during the last few weeks. Patty had a staph infection in his foot during the Finals and was unavailable.

[exstatic]

honestly, it's like we have 2 starting 5's

Our excellent bench, from 6-14, could be a top half playoff team in the East.

[Old School 44]

I trust Ginobili to make plays because he is a playmaker. I trust Patty Mills to take the ball up the court or create a shot because Mills can do exactly that; two different types of players. Come playoffs time, the only time we will see Patty Mills get minutes is if either Manu or Parker is playing like doo doo, or the Spurs are either blowing the other team out or getting blown out. Knowing Pop, he won't play Patty Mills unless he makes like three 3-pointers within a span of 2 minutes.


In other words, pop will play mills with neal's minutes

I think Patty will get more minutes than you think. He's earned it. Pop will go deeper/longer into his playoff rotation, because quite frankly, the team is much better than last year. I appreciate what Gary Neal did for the team, but Marco Belinelli is much better. Patty's development and inclusion in the regular season rotation has been a bonus find this season. This, along with Belinelli's smooth transition to the team, have exceeded expectations. With Patty and Marco, basically replacing Neal, the Spurs doubled their shooters, and added guys with handles and better decision making with the ball. I can't wait for the playoffs to start!

[Sybok]

Tony needs to keep doing what he's doing. If Tony isn't attacking the game becomes exponentially more difficult. Some nights he will struggle but it's important that he force the defense to respect his scoring ability. Just as good three point shooting opens up the paint, Ton'y drives into the paint for layups and short jumpers opens up the three point shooters. It's good when he's on, but even if he's not, he cannot stop attacking and trying to get his shot. I'd bet Pop tells him to take at least x number of shots.

Of all the combinations of possibilities in all the league with all the players, the Spurs have the best results. I'm not saying they are perfect, but it's almost guaranteed that any comments made here regarding what the Spurs should do are short sighted and not worthy of implementation.

[sexinthatsx]

I do, however, believe Mills does have really good rapport and chemistry with all the bigs (maybe with the exception of Tiago Splitter). Being with the Spurs for so long, it seems he is good at adapting the playing style each big man prefers. Patty has been able to give open 3's to Diaw numerous times, feed Aaron Baynes down in the paint where he can go for the easy dunk or layup. Most importantly, Patty had the praises of Tony Parker's twin because he picks off Tim Duncan so well for the jumper, almost EXACTLY like Parker. I believe if Patty can sustain the pick and pops with Duncan, then he will have a good chance to get more minutes come playoff because he's essentially doing what Parker does.





On a side note, I guess I'll go ahead and mention Gary Neal too. Gary Neal never could've made pick and pops as seamlessly as Patty Mills could.

[poeticism707]

Ever since the month of February when Patty pretty much played starting point guard minutes, Patty's played better with the ball in his hands than with Manu running the offense. He really has two options when he runs the offense. One: He creates a shot for himself, and two: he passes it off and lets Pop's system play itself out.

This. Patty runs the offense better than TP: it's not close. Unless TP's in beast mode, scoring everything (not often), then Mills is better than Parker. And Patty's 3 ball is just RIDICULOUS.

Why is that, you say? Because Parker is either too lazy, too tired, or too old to drive and kick as he should ALL THE TIME, and takes the easy way out with stupid hero ball, bogging down the Spurs offense terribly.

If some other team offers Patty 7m a year in the offseason, the Spurs had better match.

[TJastal]

As long as Patty keeps doing what he's been doing there is no doubt he will be getting minutes in the playoffs. He's practically a necessity at this point because he takes loads of pressure off Ginobili with his superior ball handling ability (as opposed to Neal) combined with equally potent scoring.

[Baam]

Patty "running the offense" = chucking 26 shots :lol

Neal is a much better playmaker... So is Beli...

[poeticism707]

Patty "running the offense" = chucking 26 shots :lol

Neal is a much better playmaker...

:lol

Seriously, anyone who thinks Neal is even HALF AS GOOD AS PATTY, is either a casual, or just being silly or contrary on purpose.

[Baam]

:lol

Seriously, anyone who thinks Neal is even HALF AS GOOD AS PATTY, is either a casual, or just being silly or contrary on purpose.

Well Pop did as Neal was way above Mills in the rotation when he competed against Mills for minutes... Portland didn't even think he was worth keeping... Midget SGs are just not that valuable. Mills = Nate Robinson without the hops...

[poeticism707]

Well Pop did as Neal was way above Mills in the rotation when he competed against Mills for minutes... Portland didn't even think he was worth keeping... Midget SGs are just not that valuable. Mills = Nate Robinson without the hops...

Welcome casual NBA and Spurs fan. Let me give you a run down.

Tim Duncan has led the Spurs to 4 titles.

Pop is is the best coach in the NBA, a HOF, but not perfect: see last year's Finals series for proof.

Lastly, if a player takes more than two steps (or "one and half"), then it's traveling, and a turnover, and the ball goes to the other team. Unless your name is Lebron James, or Ray Allen shooting the game tying 3 for the Heat, in the Finals. In which case, our officials didn't see it, but they are trying their very best; but don't you dare call their integrity into play, because they're all angels, and don't have a dishonest bone in their body.

[EVAY]

Our offense pretty much requires at least one of Ginobili or Parker to remain on the floor at all times (not counting garbage time). In the playoffs it will be either Ginobili or Parker on the floor commanding the offense.

This. In spades.

[downunder]

Lets get real. Pop admits he has been successful because of Duncan Parker & Ginobli. He will only go into playoffs with that base. If Parker has an off day he will back Parker to play himself into form, Same for Duncan and Ginobli. All 3 are brilliant players and they will adapt their game to overcome tiredness age etc But Pop will win or lose with them on the Court. You cant teach an old dog new tricks. He simply can't trust anyone else to get a championship ring. And why should he ? Patty will only get fill in roles with this coach and if he gets a big offer from another club he should take it for this reason unless Pop announces his retirement. The trouble is also with Patty ; clearly when Parker is on the floor Patty stops taking shots; he is clearly intimidated by the fact is that Parker is a marquee player and that it is Patty's role to pass to him rather than initiate a shot himself. And Parker is great because he is very competitive and will force a drive with a small prospect of success rather than set up Mills for a 3.

[keywester]

I hope Mills gets a ring this year, but even if the Spurs take it all I doubt he will return next year. Pop will never give Patty a major roll in the future of the Spurs! I have to believe that based on his performance this year he will be a sought after FA after the season is over. Money talks!!!!

[Sybok]

Lets get real. Pop admits he has been successful because of Duncan Parker & Ginobli. He will only go into playoffs with that base. If Parker has an off day he will back Parker to play himself into form, Same for Duncan and Ginobli. All 3 are brilliant players and they will adapt their game to overcome tiredness age etc But Pop will win or lose with them on the Court. You cant teach an old dog new tricks. He simply can't trust anyone else to get a championship ring. And why should he ? Patty will only get fill in roles with this coach and if he gets a big offer from another club he should take it for this reason unless Pop announces his retirement. The trouble is also with Patty ; clearly when Parker is on the floor Patty stops taking shots; he is clearly intimidated by the fact is that Parker is a marquee player and that it is Patty's role to pass to him rather than initiate a shot himself. And Parker is great because he is very competitive and will force a drive with a small prospect of success rather than set up Mills for a 3.

You cannot win 50 games a season for 15 or so straight seasons by having just a couple guys who you credit for success. The faces change but the results don't, so you have to look at what's common. That would only be Tim, as far as players go, but Tim has a much diminished role so there's no way he's the sole reason. I give him credit for being the lighthouse that guides the players in the right direction, but Pop decides the direction.

[Hoops Czar]

Depends on the matchu and if he's making his shots. If he is, he'll get minutes. Otherwise, he'll go with CoJo. In a Spurs/OKC matchup, I don't see Patty getting much burn. He'd get destroyed on the defensive end by Jackson.

[therealtruth]

Would have saved our asses in 6.

Hopefully Pop has enough options now that he doesn't have to stick with Turnobili when he's trying to throw the game.

[therealtruth]

Welcome casual NBA and Spurs fan. Let me give you a run down.

Tim Duncan has led the Spurs to 4 titles.

Pop is is the best coach in the NBA, a HOF, but not perfect: see last year's Finals series for proof.

Lastly, if a player takes more than two steps (or "one and half"), then it's traveling, and a turnover, and the ball goes to the other team. Unless your name is Lebron James, or Ray Allen shooting the game tying 3 for the Heat, in the Finals. In which case, our officials didn't see it, but they are trying their very best; but don't you dare call their integrity into play, because they're all angels, and don't have a dishonest bone in their body.

Ray's 3 was legit. He just took his 2 steps backwards. That's actually a move he practices before every game. Being able to get the ball and get behind the 3pt line without looking.