Baynes vs Ayres

[benfti]

I have not been able to watch the last few games but it appears that Baynes has jumped Ayres in the rotation, has he been genuinely better or is it more of a case that anyone's better?

[TE]

No, Baynes is better.

[Arcadian]

has he genuinely better or is it more of a case that anyone's better?

Well, those aren't mutually exclusive. Baynes is genuinely better, but maybe it is also the case that anyone would be better.

[Robz4000]

Baynes >> dogshit >>>>>>> Errors

[HI-FI]

definitely Baynes. though jeebus prefers Ayres, he has some advanced statistical reasons for it though.

[Gummi Clutch]

Baynes >> dogshit >>>>>>> Errors
qft...

His job on LMA alone makes him a thousand times better.

[Gummi Clutch]

definitely Baynes. though jeebus (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22786) prefers Ayres, he has some advanced statistical reasons for it though.
wtf? :lol

How is that justifiable in any way? :lol

[SupremeGuy]

Baynes is easily better than Errors, I'm just glad Pop is finally seeing that.

[Bill_Brasky]

wtf? :lol

How is that justifiable in any way? :lol

Ask jeebus, the biggest airs homer on the board tbh

[jermaine]

Errros as yal call him, is the shit on 2k14. Lol Ive said it once an I'll say it again. The boy cold.

[lofds]

Baynes can catch which makes him automatically better than Ayers. He plays tough D, can rebound, and chip in with his limited offense every so often.

[Mel_13]

Last season Mills, Joseph, and DeColo all had ample opportunities to grab the backup PG slot. None of them ever did, and Joseph got the nod for the playoffs based on his defense. The work he did over the summer now has Mills as the clear winner for the position over Joseph and DeColo isn't even on the team

This year, Ayres got 50+ games to secure the 4th big slot. That guy likely won't play very much in the playoffs, but if it's to be someone other Bonner, that guy will have to show something in the regular season. Ayres hasn't and it's obvious that we'll only see him in emergency situations when the playoffs come around.

Now it's up to Baynes to take advantage of the opportunity in front of him. So far, so good.

[boutons_deux]

Bonner is the big loser of minutes this season.

I'd go with Baynes playing more minutes from here on, and in the playoffs.

[Raven]

Baynes can catch which makes him automatically better than Ayers. He plays tough D, can rebound, and chip in with his limited offense every so often.

sorry to disappoint, but his defensive rating is epically shitty.

[wildbill2u]

Baynes can catch which makes him automatically better than Ayers. He plays tough D, can rebound, and chip in with his limited offense every so often.

:toast you forgot he's a pretty good passer in the post and is a really wide load on picks.

[SpursFan86]

Here's a quick comparison:

Ayres - completely worthless shitbag

Baynes - not a completely worthless shitbag

But in all seriousness, Baynes is definitely better and should be in the rotation before Ayres. Baynes still is raw and has a lot of room for improvement, but he's miles ahead of Ayres (which says more about Ayres than Baynes). He's a much bigger presence in the paint and is a solid rim protector. He's massive and can set some bonecrushing screens. While his little mid-range jumper isn't great by any means, he's better than Ayres in that area. And the greatest advantage he has over Ayres: he can catch a damn basketball when it's thrown to him.

[Fireball]

Baynes rules ... people jump at him, bounce back of him and hurt themselves. He is tough and just more fun to watch ... our team is good enough to get him more playing time that Ayres ...

[TJastal]

Ask jeebus, the biggest airs homer on the board tbh

You must have exstatic on ignore.

[spurspokesman]

They both suck tbh

[SsKSpurs21]

I think Ayres has been injured and that provided some minutes for Baynes to step up. I think he has been doing quite solid lately. I wonder if pop is going to roll with him or bring Ayres back slowly.

With a somewhat easy stretch of games coming up, this is also a great time to see what Austin Daye can do. I hope pop gives him a few minutes to see if he can become a contributor.

[Boomersgold]

Ayres
Pros: Sets great picks, rolls to the basket well, and positions himself on the court well. A decent Mid-range jumper and above average athletic ability.
Cons: Fails at catching the ball; unable to score wide open baskets; often fouls opposing guards to put them at the line for no good reason.

Baynes
Pros: Decent mid-range jumper. Stronger physically which makes him the better defender down low. Can finish close to the rim with dunks, and can shoot decent hooks with either hand.
Cons: Seems lost within the system. Prone to making silly mistakes such as setting obvious moving screens and fouling bigs even though they had no chance of actually making the shot. Not the best pick setter.

I wouldn't truth either of them in the playoffs, tbh.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

For years people have been complaining that we needed an athletic big that can run the floor, challenge a shot, shoot the midrange jumper and finish at the rim strong. Ayers is probably the only big that has come close to filling those needs. Now people complain because he doesn't have great hands. In reality if Ayers could do all those mentioned and had good hands he wouldnt' be the fourth or fifth big off the bench. I like Ayers for the 10-12 minutes he should be giving us a night. This is his first year on the team so I'm willing to be patient before I draw any conclusions.

[wildcardX]

I hope Baynes is given consistent minutes until playoffs. Earlier in the season he had a bad game and Pop kept him on the bench for a number of games whereas Ayres still got the playing time no matter how bad he played. I would even put Daye in before Ayres in garbage time to get him comfortable with the system.

[TheGoldStandard]

We all know what happened with Ayres, Boylen went to Pop on his knees and said, "I'm sorry el hefe, but he looked good in practice with Indy" so Ayres is now relegated to garbage minutes which I still think is a shitty spot for him. Truth be told patty should take him aside and teach him his towel waving moves from last season.

[AFBlue]

I'd like to see Baynes get the run that Ayres got early in the season and find out if he can be somewhat consistent. Baynes doesn't look comfortable in the sets, despite being here for a while. I don't know if it's an IQ issue or a confidence issue, but he should be given PT so the FO can figure it out.

[Budkin]

Ayres should not be playing in the NBA. Period.

[SpurPadre]

For years people have been complaining that we needed an athletic big that can run the floor, challenge a shot, shoot the midrange jumper and finish at the rim strong. Ayers is probably the only big that has come close to filling those needs. Now people complain because he doesn't have great hands. In reality if Ayers could do all those mentioned and had good hands he wouldnt' be the fourth or fifth big off the bench. I like Ayers for the 10-12 minutes he should be giving us a night. This is his first year on the team so I'm willing to be patient before I draw any conclusions.

TD and Manu are too old to have any patience for a guy who can't catch the damn ball.

[Capt Bringdown]

I like what I saw from Baynes last night. He's a banger who, in spots, can hold his own with hustle, rebounding and defense. Will Pop continue to play him, or will he fall back on his conservative, cliched coaching moves is the question.

[SpurPadre]

We all know what happened with Ayres, Boylen went to Pop on his knees and said, "I'm sorry el hefe, but he looked good in practice with Indy" so Ayres is now relegated to garbage minutes which I still think is a shitty spot for him. Truth be told patty should take him aside and teach him his towel waving moves from last season.

After Boylen said that to him, Pop then introduced him to Kawhi Leonard...needless to say that didn't go over very well...lol.

[SupremeGuy]

For years people have been complaining that we needed an athletic big that can run the floor, challenge a shot, shoot the midrange jumper and finish at the rim strong. Ayers is probably the only big that has come close to filling those needs. Now people complain because he doesn't have great hands. In reality if Ayers could do all those mentioned and had good hands he wouldnt' be the fourth or fifth big off the bench. I like Ayers for the 10-12 minutes he should be giving us a night. This is his first year on the team so I'm willing to be patient before I draw any conclusions.Thought you were describing Baynes in your first sentence, tbh.

[Mikeanaro]

definitely Baynes. though jeebus (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22786) prefers Ayres, he has some advanced statistical reasons for it though.

I don´t know how some ultra advanced statistic can save Ayres really but it would be interesting if jeebus show us the way.

[LittleCriminal]

This is why Baynes gets my nod over Ayers..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlieN3cvQyg

[wildchild]

This is why Baynes gets my nod over Ayers..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlieN3cvQyg

:tu

[BuzzerBeater]

Tbh

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q266/andygamezusa/steamrollerspurssmall_zps62267876.jpg

[PhingerRoll]

Big fella is making progress. He looked much more relaxed last night. His Defense was outstanding, particularly team D.

[LittleCriminal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsLWRhd8JSw

[LittleCriminal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf9AMi-sYMw

[xellos88330]

I said earlier this year at the time of the Spurs open scrimmage that I had some issues with Ayers. He was getting pushed around under the paint quite often and that was ultimately my concern. He didn't seem to have the strength to cover down low or box out as effectively. Perhaps he was just trying to fit in? Aside from him having trouble catching the ball in the regular season, the lack of strength is quite glaring. It affects his defensive rebounding. Last year, I hated the fact the Spurs had issues boxing out and losing rebounds because of tap outs under the basket. Ayers does have a good idea of where to be on the court, but athleticism isn't enough to get it done.

Physically I prefer Baynes because he can not only intimidate, but is much more difficult to jump over or around for rebounding. Mentally, I prefer Ayers because it seems he understands positioning better. Offensively, I prefer Baynes because he seems to have a greater variety of ways to score than Ayers (mid range, hook shots, offensive rebounds). Defensively I prefer Baynes because he can clear space rebounding. He isn't that great of a defender, but has the presence enough to make a player think twice. If Baynes stops fouling so much, his numbers could go up in the rebounding department.

Overall, I believe both players are a bit mediocre but Baynes is the better fit physically. If you could combine Baynes physical superiority and Ayers mental game then you could possibly have a pretty good player. UNLEASH BAYNERS!!!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Opening the second half with Baynes threw off the rhythm of the first unit and almost cost us the lead, but I do agree that he's a step up from Ayres.

[Texas_Ranger]

why compare anyone to the worst basketball player in the NBA and probaly all other basketball leagues?

[poeticism707]

Baynes is HEAD AND SHOULDERS BETTER THAN AYERS.

If Ayers even steps on the court in the postseason, other than for injury, then Pop is a madman.

[FvckMavs]

Pop used Duncan-Baynes lineup a little bit in the last two games. Maybe he is preparing for some potential match-ups in playoff.

[jeebus]

The faggots in here crying that Baynes is better are fucking stupid.

Ayres will be taking Tammy's spot after the TOSB retires after this season; only reason why Ayres is coasting so much right now is because he doesn't get regular minutes. Besides, it still hurts.

[timtonymanu]

The faggots in here crying that Baynes is better are fucking stupid.

Ayres will be taking Tammy's spot after the TOSB retires after this season; only reason why Ayres is coasting so much right now is because he doesn't get regular minutes. Besides, it still hurts.

Uh huh!

[EVAY]

Baynes is a far better player and a better fit in the Spurs' system, imo., than Ayres.

He has had very very little playing time, but you can tell he is improving. He sets the best picks of any of our big men, and he is agile and has a mid-range jumper. The guy can be a totally solid backup, mo.

It is true that the chemistry issues need to be worked out, but that just comes with time.

[ceperez]

Thought you were describing Baynes in your first sentence, tbh.

Same here, thought he was talking about Baynes. Surprised that he meant Ayers. Since when did Ayers have a midrange jumper?

[palangi]

The faggots in here crying that Baynes is better are fucking stupid.

Ayres will be taking Tammy's spot after the TOSB retires after this season; only reason why Ayres is coasting so much right now is because he doesn't get regular minutes. Besides, it still hurts.
:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[bigfan]

Baynes is a big ole galoot that I hope sticks around a while. We need a dude like that on the team for a change of pace.

[TD 21]

Last season Mills, Joseph, and DeColo all had ample opportunities to grab the backup PG slot. None of them ever did, and Joseph got the nod for the playoffs based on his defense. The work he did over the summer now has Mills as the clear winner for the position over Joseph and DeColo isn't even on the team

This year, Ayres got 50+ games to secure the 4th big slot. That guy likely won't play very much in the playoffs, but if it's to be someone other Bonner, that guy will have to show something in the regular season. Ayres hasn't and it's obvious that we'll only see him in emergency situations when the playoffs come around.

Now it's up to Baynes to take advantage of the opportunity in front of him. So far, so good.

When did Mills receive ample opportunity last season?

Don't be surprised if this is just them trying to get Ayres' attention and Baynes some experience in the process. They clearly want the former to be the guy, which is why despite having virtually no pedigree to speak of, he was given 50+ games to begin with.

[downunder]

Baynes is an NBA baby and will take another season to improve to NBA level. He is a BIG and needs to play aggressively in defence.On offence he should watch tapes of Duncan's positioning in the key. He shoots awkwardly and needs a shooting coach.

[outmap]

IMHO, I think Baynes has the potential to be the next Oberto with more power and athleticism but less BBIQ.

[wildchild]

Baynes>>>>>>Tiago's dad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ayres

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[SupremeGuy]

Opening the second half with Baynes threw off the rhythm of the first unit and almost cost us the lead, but I do agree that he's a step up from Ayres.No way, it was LA's injury. It drained the building of all the energy that we had built up.

[SupremeGuy]

Baynes>>>>>>Tiago's dad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ayres

443157779037966336Awesome. :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Opening the second half with Baynes threw off the rhythm of the first unit and almost cost us the lead, but I do agree that he's a step up from Ayres.

Yeah that unit has no experience with him and it's late in the game to tinker lineups. The offense was troubling. That being said, Duncan/Baynes was keeping them out of the paint and the Blazers were missing intermediate jumpers left and right. We were getting those rebounds.

[jeebus]

Yeah that unit has no experience with him and it's late in the game to tinker lineups. The offense was troubling. That being said, Duncan/Baynes was keeping them out of the paint and the Blazers were missing intermediate jumpers left and right. We were getting those rebounds.
Doesn't matter. Banes the Enforcer obviously received a bounty for LMA and took him out. He deserves a raise for doing that.

[poeticism707]

No way, it was LA's injury. It drained the building of all the energy that we had built up.

No: it was TP's usual selfish hero ball, instead of moving the ball around like he should...

And Patty had to come in, and do Parker's job for him, per par, or Spurs lose to Portland without LA...