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midnightpulp

03-13-2014, 10:49 PM

With how important perimeter defense is in today's NBA, a Mike D'Antoni team, regardless of roster, won't go anywhere.

Where Kobe is wrong is thinking him in the post and a half court oriented offense like that in the repeat days is the answer. The Triangle and offenses like it (4 down in San Antonio, that won us 4 titles) are now antiquated in today's "speed kills" NBA.

Killakobe81

03-13-2014, 10:53 PM

scanry

03-13-2014, 10:55 PM

Regardless, you keep it in house unless he's too chickenshit to tell that to Jimmy's face.

Mugen

03-13-2014, 10:56 PM

sup Mid.

scanry

03-13-2014, 10:59 PM

Dont disagree ... but to be fair Mike D has had a shitty roster ill-fitted for his scheme.

He did contribute to the roster by trading for Steve Nash though. Oh wait, wasn't that in the Mike Brown era?

Blame has to go around largely to Kobe & Pau. Those two should have taken less money so that the FO could have added good role players around them.

TheGoldStandard

03-13-2014, 11:00 PM

He did contribute to the roster by trading for Steve Nash though. Oh wait, wasn't that in the Mike Brown era?

Blame has to go around largely to Kobe & Pau. Those two should have taken less money so that the FO could have added good role players around them.

Ryan Kelly was a beast at Duke.

scanry

03-13-2014, 11:04 PM

Ryan Kelly was a beast at Duke.

who that scrub???

TheGoldStandard

03-13-2014, 11:12 PM

who that scrub???
http://i58.tinypic.com/nwyk4h.png

irishock

03-13-2014, 11:16 PM

http://i58.tinypic.com/nwyk4h.png

Who would've thought Steve Nash has negro IQ when injured

Robz4000

03-13-2014, 11:19 PM

Now he's just gotta kill himself tbh.

Greg Oden

03-13-2014, 11:22 PM

Only mongoloids don't click the stick to see digits representing 2k attributes instead of letters tbh

HarlemHeat37

03-13-2014, 11:25 PM

Only mongoloids don't click the stick to see digits representing 2k attributes instead of letters tbh

:lol

Sup Greg..Tbh?..

Greg Oden

03-13-2014, 11:27 PM

:lol

Sup Greg..Tbh?..

Sup tbh where is the sb victory party at next year tbh?

Thread

03-13-2014, 11:44 PM

Killakobe81

03-13-2014, 11:46 PM

DeadlyDynasty

03-13-2014, 11:48 PM

It's Pau's fault.

Killakobe81

03-14-2014, 12:00 AM

No. Kobe is wrong.

Toni like Mike were not given an opportunity to succeed, only to fail. The wrath of the fresh CBA continues to haunt and erode this organization. Until they can come to grips with this reality they'll continue to flounder.

Im with Thread ...hate the CBA but despite it all they completed deals for cp3 and Dwight. Stern nixed one and Dwight wasnt as advertised ...but still we begged for him to stay and he walked. Need to rebuild.
Thread is also right about how the new CBA "haunts" that is why Despite losing Howard for nothing I am glad we dont have Dwight and won't have Melo on max contracts in this new CBA. Dwight & Melo are short-sighted decisions that STILL won't lead to a title ... guys that warrant max money because of good not great play but cant lead a team to a title.

DPG21920

03-14-2014, 12:16 AM

Killakobe81

03-14-2014, 12:34 AM

scanry

03-14-2014, 12:47 AM

No. Kobe is wrong.

Toni like Mike were not given an opportunity to succeed, only to fail. The wrath of the fresh CBA continues to haunt and erode this organization. Until they can come to grips with this reality they'll continue to flounder.

And the Lakers had every opportunity. Should've just waited on the extension till this summer. I bet Kobe would've taken less had the contract negotiations been in July.

scanry

03-14-2014, 12:53 AM

Who said he was wrong? He took the path of least resistance and he got paid ...plus he saved us from ourselves. Would of maxed him for 5 years ...

Would've been worth it tbh. All you have to do then was bring in an elite wing and you're set. You never know what the future can bring to your org. For some reason, Durant wants out of OKC, him & DH is guaransheed multiple rings.

Thebesteva

03-14-2014, 12:53 AM

Sup tbh where is the sb victory party at next year tbh?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3625417-7496304809-abs9a.gif

RsxPiimp

03-14-2014, 12:58 AM

There has been murmur Kobe doesn't want MDA to coach simply because he cannot go with the same pace again after his injury, I could see that as one of the angle assuming the rumors of Kobe not wanting Mike back are true.

In all honesty, D'Antoni is not a terrible coach, the Lakers prior to the injury bug were playing good basketball. They were hovering at the 500 mark, but the offense was a beauty to watch, they were simply a Superstar way from becoming a post season threat. Personally, since they're not going anywhere next year and one of their biggest post play proponent isn't either, I'd prefer to keep Mike and see where the chips may fall.

DeadlyDynasty

03-14-2014, 01:06 AM

He's got one style which isn't adaptable to every roster and is a proven failure in the postseason. Still, I prefer him over Mike Brown/Doc Rivers/any BHC who just screams and sweats on the sidelines

LkrFan

03-14-2014, 01:22 AM

Sure, but Dwight's decision was absolutely perfect. He's making great money and on a team with a much better present and future. He sure as hell was not sniffing a title with a terrible broke down Kobe and he would be miserable. It's pretty damn clear he made the right choice.
Disagree. His future is bleak. They are the even worst than the early 2000's rendition of the Kings. They'll have regular season and early playoff round success. But when it is time to actually do something, they'll get their shit pushed in. Like this (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489841).

Their best two players got neutered today. They kept Beard off the Wade line, he ends up with 8 p:lolints on 2-7 FGAs and a -30. D12 shot a respectable 5-7 FGAs, but he unimpactful as well, as his -28 indicates.

They're a fun team. I wouldn't even put them on the level of the 2005-2008 Phoenix Suns. They'll win a first round series, but that's their ceiling. The Bulls pulled their panties down and paddled that ass Tammy style. :lol

Thread

03-14-2014, 01:23 AM

The Bulls pulled their panties down and paddled that ass Tammy style. :lol

Oh, my.

LkrFan

03-14-2014, 01:31 AM

Oh, my.

:lol

spurraider21

03-14-2014, 01:38 AM

Disagree. His future is bleak. They are the even worst than the early 2000's rendition of the Kings. They'll have regular season and early playoff round success. But when it is time to actually do something, they'll get their shit pushed in. Like this (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489841).

Their best two players got neutered today. They kept Beard off the Wade line, he ends up with 8 p:lolints on 2-7 FGAs and a -30. D12 shot a respectable 5-7 FGAs, but he unimpactful as well, as his -28 indicates.

They're a fun team. I wouldn't even put them on the level of the 2005-2008 Phoenix Suns. They'll win a first round series, but that's their ceiling. The Bulls pulled their panties down and paddled that ass Tammy style. :lol
That's a lot of shit to pull out of ur ass, tbh :lol

HI-FI

03-14-2014, 01:38 AM

No. Kobe is wrong.

Toni like Mike were not given an opportunity to succeed, only to fail. The wrath of the fresh CBA continues to haunt and erode this organization. Until they can come to grips with this reality they'll continue to flounder.
:tu
damn Thread with the occasional goods.

Disagree. His future is bleak. They are the even worst than the early 2000's rendition of the Kings. They'll have regular season and early playoff round success. But when it is time to actually do something, they'll get their shit pushed in. Like this (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489841).

Their best two players got neutered today. They kept Beard off the Wade line, he ends up with 8 p:lolints on 2-7 FGAs and a -30. D12 shot a respectable 5-7 FGAs, but he unimpactful as well, as his -28 indicates.

They're a fun team. I wouldn't even put them on the level of the 2005-2008 Phoenix Suns. They'll win a first round series, but that's their ceiling. The Bulls pulled their panties down and paddled that ass Tammy style. :lol

still sounds better than what the Lakers have to offer.

spurraider21

03-14-2014, 01:43 AM

Thread actually making basketball points. I'm glad he's taking my words to heart

Thebesteva

03-14-2014, 01:54 AM

Kobe needs to get these new shoes

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/apryl-michelle-brown_400x295_91-e1350085456111.jpg?w=600&h=442

Killakobe81

03-14-2014, 01:59 AM

Would've been worth it tbh. All you have to do then was bring in an elite wing and you're set. You never know what the future can bring to your org. For some reason, Durant wants out of OKC, him & DH is guaransheed multiple rings.

Bullshit. Nothing with Dwight is guaransheed. Durant was never coming to LA either.

Killakobe81

03-14-2014, 02:03 AM

:tu
damn Thread with the occasional goods.

still sounds better than what the Lakers have to offer.

Lakers only have weather, women and weed to offer right now. Yes they will have some cap space if NAsh retires ... but no true franchise player to give it to.

Thread

03-14-2014, 02:12 AM

Lakers only have weather, women and weed to offer right now. Yes they will have some cap space if NAsh retires ... but no true franchise player to give it to.

& that is the elephant in the room. Nobody/Media wants to acknowledge nor talk about that because if they do it is a conversation killer.

HI-FI

03-14-2014, 02:24 AM

Lakers only have weather, women and weed to offer right now. Yes they will have some cap space if NAsh retires ... but no true franchise player to give it to.
Weed to a certain degree, but players have had no problem getting that in forever. Women and weather are true, people always talk about the 70 degrees and dime pieces out there. I won't argue with that. LA is so weird to me, but maybe I've seen Chinatown too much.

& that is the elephant in the room. Nobody/Media wants to acknowledge nor talk about that because if they do it is a conversation killer.
It's a strange situation, because LA is built to be the place for franchise players to go and have the best chances of ringing. Yet what happens if there aren't that many elite players to go around? Do they scrap their identity to try to emulate a culture and system like the Spurs, which takes a long commitment.

ElNono

03-14-2014, 02:42 AM

Who said he was wrong? He took the path of least resistance and he got paid ...plus he saved us from ourselves. Would of maxed him for 5 years ...

This is a bunch of baloney, Killa. He took the path of becoming the actual franchise player (something he wasn't allowed to be in LA), on a franchise that's been struggling. And he did it leaving money on the table. The spotlight was going to be on him anywhere he went, but in Houston he's actually appreciated by his teammates and coach.

The path of least resistance would've been to cash in the best offer, point fingers at injured teammates and shitty coach/system, fake an injury and mail it in...

spurraider21

03-14-2014, 02:50 AM

LkrFan

03-14-2014, 02:51 AM

still sounds better than what the Lakers have to offer.

You're playing checkers again I see. The Lakers are never down for too long. These are things we know. I'll go out on a limb and say that the Lakers will win several more rangs before the Rockets get their 3rd. History says I'm right. :toast

LkrFan

03-14-2014, 02:52 AM

That's a lot of shit to pull out of ur ass, tbh :lol

Truth bombs. Just roll with them son. :lol

StrengthAndHonor

03-14-2014, 02:52 AM

He did not leave money on the table.

ElNono

03-14-2014, 02:54 AM

Howard was appreciated in LA tbh...

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:lol

He walked into his first practice and one of his teammates was saying "this is my team"... it's difficult when you get mixed messages, tbh...

ElNono

03-14-2014, 02:55 AM

He did not leave money on the table.

yes he did...

Sources said Howard had a possible change of heart because of the extra $30 million he would be leaving on the table if he signed with Houston. The Lakers could have given Howard a five-year deal worth $118 million while Houston can offer $88 million over four years.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9453534/dwight-howard-says-sign-houston-rockets

HI-FI

03-14-2014, 03:09 AM

You're playing checkers again I see. The Lakers are never down for too long. These are things we know. I'll go out on a limb and say that the Lakers will win several more rangs before the Rockets get their 3rd. History says I'm right. :toast

:lmao:lmao

I hope Rockets don't ring this year or next but I think they have a legitimate window. Different era son, history might repeat itself but not always.

StrengthAndHonor

03-14-2014, 03:17 AM

:lolIt's a shorter deal, but it's well known Dwight will actually make more because of the tax differences between CA and TX.Year 5 will come with a new contract, he has an ETO in 2016 in what could be his last big payday.

There's a really good recent Forbes article that breaks this down very well. I don't have the link for it on my phone, but I'll dig around and see if I can find it. It shows the advantage that the Texas teams (and to a slightly lesser extent Florida teams) have in terms of the Jock Tax.

LkrFan

03-14-2014, 03:32 AM

:lmao:lmao

I hope Rockets don't ring this year or next but I think they have a legitimate window. Different era son, history might repeat itself but not always.20 years is a long ass time son. :)

AchillesHeel

03-14-2014, 06:21 AM

20 years is a long ass time son. :)

19 years to be exact.

Koolaid_Man

03-14-2014, 08:09 AM

sup Mid.

his ass in the air

ambchang

03-14-2014, 08:31 AM

Three first names is a decent coach, not legendary, but he did bring some very valuable stuff to the nba in the mid 00s. His style has since been copied, perfected and decoded, but he does have quite a bit of contribution to the league.

That said, he's probably not a championship winning coach, but the lakers does not have a championship roster either. So why not just put out some high scoring entertaining basketball for the fans, then kij the coach to the curb after the roster is close to done, or at least when management finally figured out why to do?

Sybok

03-14-2014, 09:19 AM

No. Kobe is wrong.

Toni like Mike were not given an opportunity to succeed, only to fail. The wrath of the fresh CBA continues to haunt and erode this organization. Until they can come to grips with this reality they'll continue to flounder.
Bullshit. Mike knew what he was signing on to, who he was signing on to coach. His opportunity came when they handed him that pen, and lol at "new CBA continues..." as if LA has to have 130m salary every season just to make the playoffs. Other teams seem to be doing fine.

Sybok

03-14-2014, 09:26 AM

Lakers only have weather, women and weed to offer right now. Yes they will have some cap space if NAsh retires ... but no true franchise player to give it to.
What? You have the true franchise player right there in your user name. Until you guys formally dump Kobe, he's your true franchise player. He's an all star starter. There were no Spurs starting in the AS game, none voted to start. Kobe has a gold medal and 5 rings. 5>4. Why are the Spurs sitting atop the league with no franchise player?

Oh I know... you need the lion's share of NBA talent to even compete because player development and coaching are just mythical things other teams purport to do who cannot afford luxuries.

Thread

03-14-2014, 11:09 AM

Bullshit. Mike knew what he was signing on to, who he was signing on to coach. His opportunity came when they handed him that pen, and lol at "new CBA continues..." as if LA has to have 130m salary every season just to make the playoffs. Other teams seem to be doing fine.

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Killakobe81

03-14-2014, 12:07 PM

This is a bunch of baloney, Killa. He took the path of becoming the actual franchise player (something he wasn't allowed to be in LA), on a franchise that's been struggling. And he did it leaving money on the table. The spotlight was going to be on him anywhere he went, but in Houston he's actually appreciated by his teammates and coach.

The path of least resistance would've been to cash in the best offer, point fingers at injured teammates and shitty coach/system, fake an injury and mail it in...

Are you serious?! Read what you just wrote. He chose to go to a team with another star, less spotlight and less pressure. I get the troll job but Dwight already did all of the above you trolling about maybe you just dont remeber because it was in Orlando ...

Killed his coach? check.
Slammed his team-mates? check.
faked a injury? check

Only person full of baloney is you here, and I actually like you.

Seventyniner

03-14-2014, 12:23 PM

http://i58.tinypic.com/nwyk4h.png

:lol R Kelly

ElNono

03-14-2014, 02:25 PM

:lolIt's a shorter deal, but it's well known Dwight will actually make more because of the tax differences between CA and TX.Year 5 will come with a new contract, he has an ETO in 2016 in what could be his last big payday.

Ugh. I thought this was dispelled a long time ago. Players income is taxed on every state they play, not just their home state. The tax advantage is negligible compared to $30m he left on the table.

Here's an article explaining the math in Lebron's case (which was only a $4.1m difference over a $100m contract).

http://taxfoundation.org/article/state-jock-taxes-lebron-better-miami

unforeseen

03-14-2014, 03:26 PM

http://i58.tinypic.com/nwyk4h.png

Steve Nash getting all Fs like an inner city kid.

Clipper Nation

03-14-2014, 03:45 PM

Are you serious?! Read what you just wrote. He chose to go to a team with another star, less spotlight and less pressure. I get the troll job but Dwight already did all of the above you trolling about maybe you just dont remeber because it was in Orlando ...

Killed his coach? check.
Slammed his team-mates? check.
faked a injury? check

Only person full of baloney is you here, and I actually like you.

Killa deflecting per the usual.... Kirby quitPERIOD

Killakobe81

03-14-2014, 04:48 PM

Killa deflecting per the usual.... Kirby quitPERIOD

I am not even disputing the Kobe bashing just disputing that EL is acting like Dwight did not do the same ...maybe he learned it from Kobe ...but my point stands.
Again stay out of OG convos you have moved up the ranks CN, but you not on Amb, DPG or El's level even if some of them have been slumming lately ...

StrengthAndHonor

03-14-2014, 08:30 PM

Ugh. I thought this was dispelled a long time ago. Players income is taxed on every state they play, not just their home state. The tax advantage is negligible compared to $30m he left on the table.

Here's an article explaining the math in Lebron's case (which was only a $4.1m difference over a $100m contract).

http://taxfoundation.org/article/state-jock-taxes-lebron-better-miami

Nope. Lebron's case is different than Howard.

This is by far the most detailed explanation and breakdown financially of Dwight's decision.

But what happens if Howard takes his talents to Texas? As a resident of a state with no income tax, Howard’s earnings would only be taxed to the extent he has duty days allocated outside of Texas. Sweetening the deal further, as a member of the Southwest Division, the Rockets play two road games apiece against the San Antonio Spurs and Dallas Mavericks. And if you’re one of the 6% of public school graduates who understand basic geography, you’ll recognize that those teams are also located in Texas, and so that income also escapes tax. In addition, the Rockets will play one road game each year against the Miami Heat and Orlando Magic, who are located in Florida, which also does not have an income tax. And lastly, they will play two road games each year against the Memphis Grizzlies, where a $2,500 per game “privilege tax” on athletes maxes out at $7,500 annually. Thus, in total, the salary earned from 49 of Howard’s 82 game days would largely go untaxed at the state level.

For the sake of argument, let’s assume that the NBA season comprises 270 duty days, from the beginning of training camp until the playoffs mercifully conclude in late June. Let’s further assume that the average state income tax rate in those states the Rockets compete in outside of Texas is 5%.

We’ve already determined that Howard will play 49 games in states with no income tax, meaning he will play 33 games in states with a tax. If we assume another 33 of travel days allocated to taxable states –purely a shot-in-the-dark estimate — and 5 playoff games located in taxable jurisdictions, we get a total allocation of duty days of 71/270, meaning 26.2% of Howard’s total earnings of $87.6 million over the life of his contract – or $23.0 million — will be subject to state income tax. At an average rate of 5%, Howard will pay approximately $1,400,000 of state income tax over the four year period.

This means that by signing with the Houston Rockets, Howard could save approximately $14.3 million ($15,700,000 less $1,400,000) in state income taxes on his next contract. While that doesn’t make up the full $30,000,000 gross difference, it certainly eases the pain, and may be enough to convince Howard to flee for what he perceives to be a better basketball situation.

There is , however, one more reality that must be dealt with that makes a move to Houston appear even more attractive. While the Lakers can offer a fifth year that no other team can match, that fifth year will be a player option. And because Howard will be 31 at the beginning of a potential fifth year, he would likely opt out and go after one more max contract. In fact, the only way Howard is likely to ever play a fifth year in L.A. is if he is so broken down or his game so diminished that he couldn’t command more on the free agent market five years from now than the salary provided for in the final year of his Lakers contract.

This means we can actually compare apples to apples: What would Howard earn in four years in Houston versus the four years he’s likely to spend in L.A.?

The Lakers, by virtue of being able to give annual raises in excess of what Houston can offer, would still offer a larger gross payday: $91 million versus $87.6 million for Houston. But with the difference now reduced to $3 million, the state tax impact becomes magnified. Howard would pay nearly $12 million in California tax over the four years if he signs with the Lakers, but only $1,400,000 in state tax should he sign with Houston. This means that a four-year deal with Houston would actually yield an additional $7 million in after-tax income. -

Source, Forbes Magazine.