Who is the most overrated non-superstar of the past 10 years?

[AussieFanKurt]

:wakeup

[whitemamba]

kobe

[spurraider21]

^Whites

[MeloHype]

Andre Iguodala

[Clipper Nation]

kobe

^ Shitbrownmamba with the rare goods

[Kidd K]

Vince Carter

and no I don't think he was ever a "superstar".

[Sybok]

Bonzi Wells

[Venti Quattro]

Bruce Bowen

[Rogue]

Gerald Wallace, dude will be remembered for nothing but being a grumpy whiner and loser tbh.

[Legacy]

Kim Kartrashian..??

[Rogue]

Metta World Peace was one of the biggest underachievers in NBA history imho. Besides his well vaunted defensive ability, dude's scoring talent was just as amazing. It's realistic to expect a superstar & HOF career from him but for the Auburn brawl imho.

[CitizenDwayne]

Jeremy Lin

Jason "White Chocolate" Williams
John Starks
Antoine Walker
Rudy Gay
Robert Horry
Stephon Marbury
Danny Granger
Stevie Franchise/Cuttino Mobley
Baron Davis
Monta Ellis
Joe Johnson
Rajon Rondo

[HarlemHeat37]

Excluding players that were top 30 or so guys at the time(IMO):

1. Orlando Hedo Turkoglu
2. Marcus Camby
3. Prime Chris Kaman
4. Ricky Rubio prior to this season
5. Kenneth Faried

HM: Andre Iguodala, Nets' Devin Harris, Rockets' Kevin Martin, Danny Granger, Brook Lopez, current Lance Stephenson, Andrew Bynum post-role player days, Tony Allen, Raja Bell, Gordon Hayward, Rudy Gay prior to the past 2 seasons, OJ Mayo prior to the past 2 seasons

[Rogue]

Bonzi Wells
That fat piece of trash named Bonzi Wells was a true class-1 stupid motherfucker, dude turned down the Kings 8m/yr extension offer only to sign with the Lockets for 5m/2yrs, and later found himself being nailed at the coldest end of the bench just because he didn't know how to pass the ball to Yao... shit was downright pathetic tbh

[Legacy]

Jeremy Lin

http://media.syracuse.com/haveyouheard/photo/10606526-large.jpg:p: :lol

[~O~]

Citizen Dwayne and Harlem Heat.

[spurraider21]

Tyson Chandler, Danillo Gallinari, Jarret Jack, John Salmons, Tony Allen should also be mentioned

[CitizenDwayne]

John Salmons

Forgot him. Nice choice

[spurraider21]

Tyson Chandler is a case of a guy that was called underrated for so long that he became overrated

[Legacy]

The wanker above me, tbqfh.


























































































































Tee, hee.

[Venti Quattro]

How can Rashard Lewis not be #1? This guy made $120 million living off on a hollow reputation as a big-game scorer and shooter

[baseline bum]

Rondo the stat-padder.

[AussieFanKurt]

How can Rashard Lewis not be #1? This guy made $120 million living off on a hollow reputation as a big-game scorer and shooter

Has to be top 5 at minimum, surprised took this long to mention him :lol

[baseline bum]

How can Rashard Lewis not be #1? This guy made $120 million living off on a hollow reputation as a big-game scorer and shooter

I think this question is more about who has been overrated like hell by fans, not overrated like hell by one retarded GM.

[Venti Quattro]

I think this question is more about who has been overrated like hell by fans, not overrated like hell by one retarded GM.

Not 100% sure, I think that both Fans and executives highly overrated him to the point where a retarded GM thought he was worth $120 million. The guy was the black version of Bernie Madoff.

[CitizenDwayne]

Not 100% sure, I think that both Fans and executives highly overrated him to the point where a retarded GM thought he was worth $120 million. The guy was the black version of Bernie Madoff.

:lol

[Spurs da champs]

Josh Smith & Andre Iguodala.

[spurraider21]

i think josh smith is a really talented player who hasn't had a coach sit him the fuck down and tell him he's a shitty jumpshooter

[CitizenDwayne]

i think josh smith is a really talented player who hasn't had a coach sit him the fuck down and tell him he's a shitty jumpshooter

This really shocks me, but it must be true. The difference between his interior skill and his shooting stroke is vast, and yet he (somehow) seems to have no clue that that's the case.

But yeah, he's fairly overrated imo

[lefty]

95% of NBA players

[Rogue]

nigs are overrated when they play SF but can't even hit jumpers as good as PFs/C's do. The most overrated players (Iggy, G-Force, Josh Smith etc...) all fit that criteria imho.

[smaka]

Tony Allen, Lin, Iguodala, Hibbert, friend killer........

[RD2191]

Chris Paul, and no, I don't consider that scrub a superstar.

[spurraider21]

David Lee

-FkLA

[ambchang]

Greg Monroe has to be there somewhere.
Zachary Randolph.
Marc gasol
Amare stoudemire
Kendrick Perkins
Jeff green earlier this year
Ginobili since 2008
Klay Thompson
Joaquin Noah moving up the ladder

[RsxPiimp]

Joakim Noah is not overrated. Each time the MVP ganbanger is injured, Noah seems to put the team on his back and charge forward. Chicago hasn't missed the playoffs since Rose was drafted in 2008, and he's missed 168 games in the last three seasons.

Noah is unlikeable but he's dat dude in Chi town.

[AchillesHeel]

Bosh

[scanry]

1. Rashad Lewis
2. Hedo Turgulu
3. Joe Johnson
4. Amare Stodamaire
5. Eric Dampier
6. Elton Brand

[jeebus]

Lebeta

[CitizenDwayne]

Joakim Noah is not overrated. Each time the MVP ganbanger is injured, Noah seems to put the team on his back and charge forward. Chicago hasn't missed the playoffs since Rose was drafted in 2008, and he's missed 168 games in the last three seasons.

Noah is unlikeable but he's dat dude in Chi town.

I've seen some talking heads on ESPN put Noah third in the MVP race this year. Third.

He's having a hell of a run lately, and I love the guy, but you gotta admit, he gets a quite a lot of undeserved credit.

[Killakobe81]

Every All-star in the league not named: Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, KG, Dirk, Lebron, Wade, Pierce.
The magnificent 7 won all the titles the past 10 years and some needed help from another of the 7 to get theirs ... except Timmy.
Superstar is thrown around far to loosely. Plenty of stars in the NBA ...

Willing to accept arguments for Durant as a pending member ...

[RsxPiimp]

I've seen some talking heads on ESPN put Noah third in the MVP race this year. Third.

He's having a hell of a run lately, and I love the guy, but you gotta admit, he gets a quite a lot of undeserved credit.

True, but come on, we all know the MVP race has only 2 lanes anyway, any fringe mentions at this point be it # 3 or # 6 is pointless. Noah moving up in the conversation just shows you how weak the league is. This league is so pathetic we're forced to put guys like Lowry, Curry, Derozan and Noah in Top 10 conversation :lol. Your usual players in the game are spending a lot of time in street clothes, are playing in awful teams (Melo, Deron) or they're just flat out old (Dirk, KG, Kobe).



Anyway, given the circumstances, I think Noah is rated right. The Bulls are hanging on that 4th, with a good chance to finish 3rd in the East and eclipse the 50 win mark, which is mighty impressive in that conference, all that without Rose and Deng.



Removing Noah from the Bulls as they are currently assembled would send them directly to the lottery. Let’s be frank, the Bulls are a bad team on paper. DJ Agustin, Carlos Boozer, Jimmy Butler and Mike Dunleavy are his teammates. :lol



I do like the fact that the media are now taking notes and rewarding players with effort and hustle over your typical shady numbers.

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

Tony Parker easily.

[Killakobe81]

True, but come on, we all know the MVP race has only 2 lanes anyway, any fringe mentions at this point be it # 3 or # 6 is pointless. Noah moving up in the conversation just shows you how weak the league is. This league is so pathetic we're forced to put guys like Lowry, Curry, Derozan and Noah in Top 10 conversation :lol. Your usual players in the game are spending a lot of time in street clothes, are playing in awful teams (Melo, Deron) or they're just flat out old (Dirk, KG, Kobe).



Anyway, given the circumstances, I think Noah is rated right. The Bulls are hanging on that 4th, with a good chance to finish 3rd in the East and eclipse the 50 win mark, which is mighty impressive in that conference, all that without Rose and Deng.



Removing Noah from the Bulls as they are currently assembled would send them directly to the lottery. Let’s be frank, the Bulls are a bad team on paper. DJ Agustin, Carlos Boozer, Jimmy Butler and Mike Dunleavy are his teammates. :lol



I do like the fact that the media are now taking notes and rewarding players with effort and hustle over your typical shady numbers.

Pimp dropping knowledge. Noah has been the best big in the NBA this year and that includes both Gasols, the Coward, Aldridge and even Timmy.
Blake has the only strong case over Noah ...

[RsxPiimp]

Pimp dropping knowledge. Noah has been the best big in the NBA this year and that includes both Gasols, the Coward, Aldridge and even Timmy.
Blake has the only strong case over Noah ...

Yeah, Blake really has been playing great basketball tbh.

[Thread]

Pimp dropping knowledge. Noah has been the best big in the NBA this year and that includes both Gasols, the Coward, Aldridge and even Timmy.
Blake has the only strong case over Noah ...

He's a loud mouth punk, who has it coming. And I can't wait till it gets there.

[Killakobe81]

He's a loud mouth punk, who has it coming. And I can't wait till it gets there.

He is, and I hated him and that faggo hair as he stomped a mudhole in my Bruins ...but the guy plays hard and doesnt cower from Lebron or anyone else have to admire the kid Cully.

[Clipper Nation]

I also used to dislike Noah, but I'm becoming a big fan of his game, tbh.... for some reason I've always liked bigs who can pass the ball, and both Noah and Blake are really skilled passers....

[Killakobe81]

I also used to dislike Noah, but I'm becoming a big fan of his game, tbh.... for some reason I've always liked bigs who can pass the ball, and both Noah and Blake are really skilled passers....

Talking hoops, feels good doen't it CN? :toast

[HemisfairArena]

My money is on Kyrie Irving. I don't consider him a super star. How many top 10 draft picks does this guy need to succeed? They have Waiters, Thompson, and Bennett(all top 10 picks) and Irving still cant get them into the playoffs. He falling into the category of 'Melo and KLove. Guys who can put up some stats but cant take a team anywhere as the main guy. At least Noah can lead his team into the playoffs.

[Killakobe81]

My money is on Kyrie Irving. I don't consider him a super star. How many top 10 draft picks does this guy need to succeed? They have Waiters, Thompson, and Bennett(all top 10 picks) and Irving still cant get them into the playoffs. He falling into the category of 'Melo and KLove. Guys who can put up some stats but cant take a team anywhere as the main guy. At least Noah can lead his team into the playoffs.

you may be right, but Noah has Tibbs ... Kyrie has Mike Brown.

[Kobe_5_Duncan_4]

I also used to dislike Noah, but then, the last couple years I started really learning the game, tbh.... for some reason as a Clipperfan l've never really understood why fans liked players who didn't appear in commercials and stuff. Both Noah and Blake are really cool....


:lmao:lmao

[Jodelo]

Every All-star in the league not named: Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, KG, Dirk, Lebron, Wade, Pierce.
The magnificent 7 won all the titles the past 10 years and some needed help from another of the 7 to get theirs ... except Timmy.

Dirk had no help of those names up there...

[Killakobe81]

Dirk had no help of those names up there...

You are right meant to say Duncan AND DIRK ...

[Mugen]

Hibbert

[SpurSwag]

Noah being overrated is absolutely hilarious. The dude is the hardest worker on the court and puts it all out there every time, somehow keeping the bulls relevant despite rose pretty much soaking up a max contract for no reason.

Rubio gets my vote, the guy is embarrassing offensively and his passing doesn't even come close to making up for it.

[ambchang]

Every All-star in the league not named: Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, KG, Dirk, Lebron, Wade, Pierce.
The magnificent 7 won all the titles the past 10 years and some needed help from another of the 7 to get theirs ... except Timmy.
Superstar is thrown around far to loosely. Plenty of stars in the NBA ...

Willing to accept arguments for Durant as a pending member ...

Dirk didn't need superstar help.

And you left out MVPau.

[Killakobe81]

Dirk didn't need superstar help.

And you left out MVPau.

Already addressed and No I did not ...

[Thread]

Dirk didn't need superstar help.

And you left out MVPau.

Though Pau couldn't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand.

[Clipper Nation]

Though Pau couldn't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand.
Though Kirby was shinin' shoes without MVPau to carry him.

[elmanutres]

Though Pau couldn't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand.

Your kobe raped as well

[ambchang]

Already addressed and No I did not ...

Good enough to drag everyone of his team to the playoffs in his prime.

[ambchang]

Btw, Noah is not better, or in the same level as griffin, harden, uni brow, Paul George, curry or even love this year.

Love the guy, help team win games, but he's a role player. Just getting the chandler in 2011 treatment

[Thread]

Though Kirby was shinin' shoes without MVPau to carry him.

Though Gasol couldn't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand.

[Thread]

Your kobe raped as well

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[jimbo]

Btw, Noah is not better, or in the same level as griffin, harden, uni brow, Paul George, curry or even love this year.

Love the guy, help team win games, but he's a role player. Just getting the chandler in 2011 treatment

All of the guys above can win you games by themselves. Noah can't do that. That's what keeps him from going from super roleplayer -> star.

If he's your third option on your team though, you're pretty solid since he does so many things well. I know you're not comparing the two, but he's better than Chandler was in 2011 imo.

[FkLA]

David Lee
Kevin Love
Amare Stoudemire
Carlos Boozer
David West

Unless its Dirk, PFs that suck on defense are absolutely terrible tbh.

[HemisfairArena]

My money is on Kyrie Irving. I don't consider him a super star. How many top 10 draft picks does this guy need to succeed? They have Waiters, Thompson, and Bennett(all top 10 picks) and Irving still cant get them into the playoffs. He falling into the category of 'Melo and KLove. Guys who can put up some stats but cant take a team anywhere as the main guy. At least Noah can lead his team into the playoffs.


Ok...time for me to stop posting. Poor kid started 0-5 tonight and got injured and is out....hopefully not bad.

[lefty]

Btw, Noah is not better, or in the same level as griffin, harden, uni brow, Paul George, curry or even love this year.

Love the guy, help team win games, but he's a role player. Just getting the chandler in 2011 treatment
Noah has 3 triple doubles this season

[elmanutres]

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.
you've nary room

your neal raped as well

[spurraider21]

David Lee
Kevin Love
Amare Stoudemire
Carlos Boozer
David West

Unless its Dirk, PFs that suck on defense are absolutely terrible tbh.
David West is a good defender... just isn't known for help-defense shotblocking #'s.

i don't think you can call STAT overrated. in fact, with how his recent NY seasons have gone, people are probably underrating his career

[chief keef]

amare over rated? son was hanging 50 on prime duncans head in the playoffs. come on

[SpurSwag]

Btw, Noah is not better, or in the same level as griffin, harden, uni brow, Paul George, curry or even love this year.

Love the guy, help team win games, but he's a role player. Just getting the chandler in 2011 treatment

noah's been doing this for a while, he's just finally getting the credit he deserves. look at their roster, then look at his numbers, then look at their team record. He's doing something very right to be dragging them to the playoffs (yes its the east but their roster is god awful).

[ambchang]

Noah has 3 triple doubles this season

Doesn't make him better than those. He's a well rounded player. Great defender, fantastic passer, almost like chandler + brad miller kind of game, but still not a superstar, Bit he's getting the superstar treatment.

Bob sura once had a few triple doubles as well. Doesn't mean much.

[ambchang]

amare over rated? son was hanging 50 on prime duncans head in the playoffs. come on

Nash and dantoni. He was very much a product of the system.

In his heyday, Amazing finisher, progressed as a defender but still bad, also prone to stupid mistakes that costs his teams.

Your right, probably underrated now, but was overrated during his prime.

[ambchang]

noah's been doing this for a while, he's just finally getting the credit he deserves. look at their roster, then look at his numbers, then look at their team record. He's doing something very right to be dragging them to the playoffs (yes its the east but their roster is god awful).

He's been doing very well for a while. In fact I wanted him on the spurs a few years ago when his stock was low because he had a label of being a problematic teammate. He just wanted to win back then and the bulls stunk.

Issue is, he's getting all the credit he should have on the past this yer which ales him overrated. The east is horrendous after the heat and pacers. Just look at the raptors, I'm not going to put Lowry as some MVP candidate even he dragged his team to a 3 rd seed with a retarded coach. Noah's at 4th with a brilliant coach.

[AussieFanKurt]

deron williams?

[chief keef]

Nash and dantoni. He was very much a product of the system.

In his heyday, Amazing finisher, progressed as a defender but still bad, also prone to stupid mistakes that costs his teams.

Your right, probably underrated now, but was overrated during his prime.

mike d's system is meant for PG's to shine, PF's dont necessarily amass big stats just by playing for him

when he first got to NY, he was rightly considered an MVP candidate, imo. injuries robbed us of seeing him finish out his prime

[Killakobe81]

deron williams?

I have to admit I was a fan even arguing he was close to CP3, one of my bold claims that failed ...
I even argued he was a better "fit" for some teams ...

Ahh well can't win 'em all.
Maybe my Rox claim will be proven wrong as well.

[MeloHype]

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.no, you get your trends from movies

[ambchang]

mike d's system is meant for PG's to shine, PF's dont necessarily amass big stats just by playing for him

when he first got to NY, he was rightly considered an MVP candidate, imo. injuries robbed us of seeing him finish out his prime

Mike ds system requires a good point guard, but he requires finishers with speed and range of which amare had both. Even earl Clark did well in his system.

Him being anywhere remotely in MVP talk in his first year speaks to why I thought he was overrated. The guy can't play d, has very questionable iq, and is best used as a finisher, not a creator. An MVP should create.

[ambchang]

I have to admit I was a fan even arguing he was close to CP3, one of my bold claims that failed ...
I even argued he was a better "fit" for some teams ...

Ahh well can't win 'em all.
Maybe my Rox claim will be proven wrong as well.

Same here but i still maintain d Williams did very well in the league before he got full of himself and gained weight. Sloan was the best coach for him, he just didn't realize it then.

[Splits]

Tyreke Evans

:lol Pelicans paying this clown $44 million

[Killakobe81]

Same here but i still maintain d Williams did very well in the league before he got full of himself and gained weight. Sloan was the best coach for him, he just didn't realize it then.

True story. But I admit when I am wrong ...it happens. More than I like but not as often as most ...

[resistanze]

True story. But I admit when I am wrong ...it happens. More than I like but not as often as most ...

No worries, a lot of crow was eaten on ST :lol

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131807

[SpurSwag]

He's been doing very well for a while. In fact I wanted him on the spurs a few years ago when his stock was low because he had a label of being a problematic teammate. He just wanted to win back then and the bulls stunk.

Issue is, he's getting all the credit he should have on the past this yer which ales him overrated. The east is horrendous after the heat and pacers. Just look at the raptors, I'm not going to put Lowry as some MVP candidate even he dragged his team to a 3 rd seed with a retarded coach. Noah's at 4th with a brilliant coach.

But what I'm trying to say is that even though the East sucks, it's not as if they have a good team either. Noah is dragging a dog shit team to the playoffs tbh look at their roster, boozer has been horrible lately, they don't have deng anymore, and they're relying on DJ augustin to keep hitting his shots.

[JamStone]

The correct answer is Gilbert Arenas, and not just because of that $100+ million contract. Before that contract and before his career went down the toilet, a lot of people, analysts, fellow players, fans, media were all over his nuts when he was averaging close to 30 ppg a couple seasons in a row from the PG position and hanging 60 points on the Lakers. I think a lot of people thought he was legit and was going to be playing like that for several more seasons.

And for whoever mentioned Vince Carter, not that I disagree that he's overrated. But be prepared. Whether you like it or not, agree with it or not, Vince Carter is going to end up being in the Hall of Fame. His career stats and compared to players already in the HOF, Vince is going to get there. I'm just giving you forewarning.

[ambchang]

The correct answer is Gilbert Arenas, and not just because of that $100+ million contract. Before that contract and before his career went down the toilet, a lot of people, analysts, fellow players, fans, media were all over his nuts when he was averaging close to 30 ppg a couple seasons in a row from the PG position and hanging 60 points on the Lakers. I think a lot of people thought he was legit and was going to be playing like that for several more seasons.

And for whoever mentioned Vince Carter, not that I disagree that he's overrated. But be prepared. Whether you like it or not, agree with it or not, Vince Carter is going to end up being in the Hall of Fame. His career stats and compared to players already in the HOF, Vince is going to get there. I'm just giving you forewarning.

Come on, Arenas was hurt. Can't blame that on him. It's like saying Grant Hill was overrated.

Carter actually got underrated as time goes on, he was really incredible with the Raptors when Oakley was around to whip his butt, but then ...

[callo1]

Amare, easily.

[callo1]

On 2nd thought, Alan Houston.

[JohnnyMax]

Gasol couldn't win a playoff game because he went up against San Antonio Spurs. While Kobe went up against Phoenix Suns.

Put Gasol on the Lakers and Kobe on Memphis and Lakers would beat Phoenix while Kobe would get swept by the Spurs.

[Clipper Nation]

Gasol couldn't win a playoff game because he went up against San Antonio Spurs. While Kobe went up against Phoenix Suns.

Put Gasol on the Lakers and Kobe on Memphis and Lakers would beat Phoenix while Kobe would get swept by the Spurs.

Plus MVPau had Mike Miller, Shane Battier, and old-ass Eddie Jones as his BEST teammates.... meanwhile, Kirby had prime Lamar and Tuff Juice and still whined and cried while shinin' shoes....

[poeticism707]

kobe

:lol

Somehow, someway, I knew I'd see this response.

[Rogue]

Plus MVPau had Mike Miller, Shane Battier, and old-ass Eddie Jones as his BEST teammates.... meanwhile, Kirby had prime Lamar and Tuff Juice and still whined and cried while shinin' shoes....
Gasol's supporting cast was a pretty stacked one back in the mid 00s imho, which included Shane Battier, Mike Miller, White Chocolate, Bonzi Wells, James Posey and many other solid role players. If you had played nba live 05 you would've noticed the Grizzlies' overall rating was even higher than Dallas and Spurs back then, tbh.

[King Emmanuel]

Plus MVPau had Mike Miller, Shane Battier, and old-ass Eddie Jones as his BEST teammates.... meanwhile, Kirby had prime Lamar and Tuff Juice and still whined and cried while shinin' shoes....

:lol your new shtick is strong, methinks..

[djohn2oo8]

Gasol's supporting cast was a pretty stacked one back in the mid 00s imho, which included Shane Battier, Mike Miller, White Chocolate, Bonzi Wells, James Posey and many other solid role players. If you had played nba live 05 you would've noticed the Grizzlies' overall rating was even higher than Dallas and Spurs back then, tbh.
2 out of 3 playoff years, their offense was ranked 23rd and 29th. And that's with Pau carrying them.

[poeticism707]

Every All-star in the league not named: Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, KG, Dirk, Lebron, Wade, Pierce.
The magnificent 7 won all the titles the past 10 years and some needed help from another of the 7 to get theirs ... except Timmy.
Superstar is thrown around far to loosely. Plenty of stars in the NBA ...

Willing to accept arguments for Durant as a pending member ...

Agreed. The are very few superstars, plus Dirk of course, you named, and many overrated stars who get empty numbers, and never influence actual winning....

[ambchang]

Gasol's supporting cast was a pretty stacked one back in the mid 00s imho, which included Shane Battier, Mike Miller, White Chocolate, Bonzi Wells, James Posey and many other solid role players. If you had played nba live 05 you would've noticed the Grizzlies' overall rating was even higher than Dallas and Spurs back then, tbh.

None could score. It's like calling the late 90s Cavs a strong team.

[Tuddy]

Noah sucks can't even put the ball in the hoop and he's an all star

[Killakobe81]

2 out of 3 playoff years, their offense was ranked 23rd and 29th. And that's with Pau carrying them.

Fair point but since he is MVPau and he had a elite defense shouldn't they win ONE playoff game?

Also if scoring was the issue wouldnt a top 5 all-time scorer (for the switch the two argument) be more useful?

I admire Pau so don't want to knock him here, just asking ...

[TDMVPDPOY]

didnt joe johnson robbed the hawks of a max contract, then got another big ass extention on top of it from nets?

clown was overrated when he was a suns player, did jackshit with the hawks

he puts up nice numbers, but those numbers that equate to anything, this clown always get outplayed by the other top SGS at his position every h2h match

[ambchang]

Fair point but since he is MVPau and he had a elite defense shouldn't they win ONE playoff game?

Also if scoring was the issue wouldnt a top 5 all-time scorer (for the switch the two argument) be more useful?

I admire Pau so don't want to knock him here, just asking ...

It's easy to stop a one-man offensive team, especially when that team's only offense is a big man with no perimeter offense.

Lakers did that to Duncan in 02 (reverse sweep), Robinson had it throughout his entire prime, and we know that, as great as MVPau was, he wasn't Duncan or Robinson.

[Thread]

as great as MVPau was, he wasn't Duncan or Robinson.

+ he can't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand. You even kept that beaut intact before 6 busted yer fuckin' crack.:lmao

[ambchang]

+ he can't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand. You even kept that beaut intact before 6 busted yer fuckin' crack.:lmao

Reverse is always true.

You always seem to think it's some kind of indication, but it's like saying Kobe never won squat without Fisher.

[Thread]

Reverse is always true.

You always seem to think it's some kind of indication, but it's like saying Kobe never won squat without Fisher.

Fine, you take that one. Me? I'm stickin' with this one:::

6

[LkrFan]

Plus MVPau had Mike Miller, Shane Battier, and old-ass Eddie Jones as his BEST teammates.... meanwhile, Kirby had prime Lamar and Tuff Juice and still whined and cried while shinin' shoes....
Clipps getting out the first round this year? Last year 56 wins couldn't get er done. :lol

[ambchang]

Fine, you take that one. Me? I'm stickin' with this one:::

6

Good for you, Miami Heat chickenshit.

[LkrFan]

+ he can't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand. You even kept that beaut intact before 6 busted yer fuckin' crack.:lmaoWith no Bosh-scented Vaseline. :lol

[Thread]

Good for you, Miami Heat chickenshit.

6 is forever, daddy-O.

ha, ha.

[ambchang]

6 is forever, daddy-O.

ha, ha.

Courtesy of the Heat, which has nothing to do, supposedly.

[spurraider21]

John Salmons
:lol just read he might end up starting for the pelicans. dude does nothing except hold teams back and stunt development of better players

[Venti Quattro]

:lol just read he might end up starting for the pelicans. dude does nothing except hold teams back and stunt development of better players

Glad this piece of shit is gone from the Raptors. We going to the ECF now :cry

[spurraider21]

Glad this piece of shit is gone from the Raptors. We going to the ECF now :cry
i just remember for years the kings (who had all sorts of young guys rotting on the bench needing development) were giving Salmons 25 mpg doing absolutely nothing. always frustrated me for some reason