Is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar the most underrated player of all time?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

He's very similar to Duncan.. and is in my opinion one of the most underrated and forgotten about stars in NBA history. He created the single most dominant move in the game. Sure the Dream Shake was pretty, but it wasn't as effective as the sky hook.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2U4JSrpO78

Straight taking Wilt to school ^

[lefty]

Holy shit I was about to start a thread about Kareem

[Venti Quattro]

He's very similar to Duncan..

lol no he's not a cuck

[Thread]

He wouldn't interview without being compelled to do so. But, it was an openly racist Media then, unlike now where the racism is suppressed. So Media punished him during his career & then took their vengeance after he retired. He understood Media for the vermin they were & are, but, he paid a price for that opine and the behaviors that it wrought.

[CitizenDwayne]

Underrated? How the fuck do you figure that?

[Sybok]

No. He's listed as probably in the top 5 all time. He played too long for the short attention span crowd who thinks a person's worth is dictated by their peak, not by the body of their work.

[Sybok]

He wouldn't interview without being compelled to do so. But, it was an openly racist Media then, unlike now where the racism is suppressed. So Media punished him during his career & then took their vengeance after he retired. He understood Media for the vermin they were & are, but, he paid a price for that opine and the behaviors that it wrought.

Do tell Swearengen.

[spurraider21]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170340

Regular season – 1969-70

1. Date: Fri 10/24/69
- Chamberlain 25 pts, 25 rebs, 5 as, 3 blocks, 9-14 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 23 pts, 20 rebs, 2 as, 2 blocks, 9-21 FG/FGA L

Regular season – 1970-71

2. Date: Fri 11/20/70
- Chamberlain 28 pts, 23 rebs, 3 as, 10 blocks, 7-20 FG/FGA – 6 blocks against Jabbar L
-Abdul-Jabbar 29 pts, 13 rebs, 0 as, 2 blocks, 13-32 FG/FGA W

3. Date: Mon 12/21/70
- Chamberlain 25 pts, 14 rebs, 3 as, 2 blocks, 11-23 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 37 pts, 16 rebs, 0 as, 4 blocks, 17-33 FG/FGA W

4. Date: Fri 02/05/71
- Chamberlain 14 pts, 14 rebs, 3 as, 6 blocks, 7-10 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 27 pts, 10 rebs, 3 as, * blocks, 10-21 FG/FGA L

5. Date: Thu 02/11/71
- Chamberlain 25 pts, 11 rebs, 1 as, * blocks, 10-19 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 31 pts, 21 rebs, 0 as, * blocks, 13-30 FG/FGA – 2 blocks against Wilt W

6. Date: Wed 03/03/71
- Chamberlain 24 pts, 13 rebs, 5 as, 8 blocks, 7-15 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 15 pts, 6 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 7-21 FG/FGA W

Post season – 1970-71 – WCF playoffs

7. Date: Fri 04/09/71
- Chamberlain 22 pts, 20 rebs, 1 as, 8 blocks, 10-19 FG/FGA – 3 blocks against Jabbar L
-Abdul-Jabbar 32 pts, 22 rebs, 1 as, 1 blocks, 14-30 FG/FGA W

8. Date: Sun 04/11/71
- Chamberlain 26 pts, 22 rebs, 0 as, 3 blocks, 10-21 FG/FGA - Wilt blocked numerious shots L
-Abdul-Jabbar 22 pts, 10 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 9-19 FG/FGA W

9. Date: Wed 04/14/71
- Chamberlain 24 pts, 24 rebs, 3 as, 3 blocks, 9-19 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 20 pts, 19 rebs, 6 as, 0 blocks, 8-16 FG/FGA L

10.Date: Fri 04/16/71
- Chamberlain 15 pts, 16 rebs, 2 as, 2 blocks, 7-14 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 31 pts, 20 rebs, 5 as, * blocks, 14-20 FG/FGA W

11.Date: Sun 04/18/71
- Chamberlain 23 pts, 12 rebs, 4 as, 6 blocks, 10-21 FG/FGA – 5 blocks against Jabbar L
-Abdul-Jabbar 20 pts, 15 rebs, 5 as, 3 blocks, 7-23 FG/FGA W

According to an article from 19.04.1971 Wilt blocked 22 shots and Lew Alcindor blocked 10 shots for the 5 game series.

Regular season – 1971-72

12.Date: Sat 11/21/71
- Chamberlain 11 pts, 26 rebs, 6 as, 4 blocks, 4-9 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 39 pts, 17 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 17-33 FG/FGA L

13.Date: Sun 01/09/72
- Chamberlain 15 pts, 12 rebs, 2 as, 6 blocks, 7-11 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 39 pts, 20 rebs, 5 as, 9 blocks, 18-34 FG/FGA W

14.Date: Fri 02/04/72
- Chamberlain 18 pts, 25 rebs, 3 as, * blocks, 8-14 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 40 pts, 18 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 16-33 FG/FGA L

15.Date: Wed 03/01/72
- Chamberlain 8 pts, 17 rebs, 5 as, * blocks, 3-5 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 33 pts, 12 rebs, 8 as, * blocks, 13-33 FG/FGA L

16.Date: Fri 03/17/72
- Chamberlain 18 pts, 25 rebs, 5 as, * blocks, 7-15 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 50 pts, 8 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 22-39 FG/FGA L

Post season – 1971-72 – WCF playoffs

17.Date: Sun 04/09/72
- Chamberlain 10 pts, 24 rebs, 0 as, * blocks, 3-12 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 33 pts, 18 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 14-26 FG/FGA W

18.Date: Wed 04/12/72
- Chamberlain 11 pts, 17 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 3-5 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 40 pts, 7 rebs, 7 as, * blocks, 18-31 FG/FGA L

19.Date: Fri 04/14/72
- Chamberlain 7 pts, 14 rebs, 4 as, 10 blocks, 1-3 FG/FGA – 6 blocks against Jabbar W
-Abdul-Jabbar 33 pts, 21 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 15-37 FG/FGA L

20.Date: Sun 04/16/72
- Chamberlain 5 pts, 11 rebs, 4 as, 3 blocks, 2-7 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 31 pts, 18 rebs, 3 as, 7 blocks, 14-33 FG/FGA W

21.Date: Tue 04/18/72
- Chamberlain 12 pts, 26 rebs, 6 as, 9 blocks, 2-3 FG/FGA - 4 blocks against Jabbar W
-Abdul-Jabbar 28 pts, 16 rebs, 3 as, * blocks, 13-33 FG/FGA L

22.Date: Sat 04/22/72
- Chamberlain 20 pts, 24 rebs, 2 as, 9 blocks, 8-12 FG/FGA - 3 blocks and 2 steals against Jabbar W
-Abdul-Jabbar 37 pts, 25 rebs, 8 as, * blocks, 16-37 FG/FGA L

Regular season – 1972-73

23.Date: Tue 11/14/72
- Chamberlain 16 pts, 15 rebs, 1 as, * blocks, 8-12 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 37 pts, 16 rebs, 6 as, 7 blocks, 17-32 FG/FGA L

24.Date: Tue 12/05/72
- Chamberlain 9 pts, 15 rebs, 7 as, * blocks, 4-4 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 29 pts, 17 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 11-30 FG/FGA L

25.Date: Sun 01/07/73
- Chamberlain 9 pts, 18 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 3-5 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 37 pts, 12 rebs, 7 as, * blocks, 17-36 FG/FGA W

26.Date: Fri 02/09/73
- Chamberlain 8 pts, 14 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 3-3 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 29 pts, 24 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 14-24 FG/FGA W

27.Date: Sun 02/25/73
- Chamberlain 24 pts, 20 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 10-14 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 21 pts, 21 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 10-27 FG/FGA L

28.Date: Tue 03/27/73
- Chamberlain 0 pts, 14 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 0-0 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 24 pts, 17 rebs, 1 as, * blocks, 12-31 FG/FGA W

W = team wоn
L = team lost

The total minutes played:
Chamberlain - 1259 minutes or 44.96 per game
Jabbar - 1208 minutes or 43.14 per game

The FTs data:
Chamberlain - 106 from 218 (48.62 %)
Jabbar - 111 from 155 (71.61 %)

* Blocked stats are collected from archive newspapers articles (as most of the data), NBA doesn't kept track of blocked shots before 1973/74 season. I find in the forum info about Wilt blocked 8 shots in game 1 of 1971/72 regular season, but I was not able to find evidence in google news archive search,so again I do not post it.

[MeloHype]

He's considered the second best player OAT

[HemisfairArena]

Kareem?......no way. I'll tell you the guy that is the most underrated player of All Time and he is Top 10 in points and rebounds and longevity but doesn't have a lot of titles....he's up there with the MJ, Magic, Kobe, Kareem, Duncan, Wilt, Russell, Hakeem, Shaq, Bird,..ect.....his name is Moses Malone.

[spurraider21]

Fo Fo Fo

[lefty]

Holy shit.

Kareem missed a lot of shots for a dominant big

[CitizenDwayne]

Holy shit.

Kareem missed a lot of shots for a dominant big

Guessing Wilt just had that much of an effect on his game...seeing as his career FG % is freakishly high (56%)

[lefty]

^
Yeah I meant vs Wilt the goat

[TDMVPDPOY]

at the end of the day it doesnt matter if you post up monster stats but dont win

only thing those players are doing is accumulating total stats, then revisionists will go back and lay a shit on them why they couldnt get wins with those type of seasonal stats...

theres 3-4 idiots on tha top25 lists that i always have a problem with, guys who are known to be stat padders then coming up short with alot of bullshit excuses, whether its selfish play or blaming the roster they are dealt with....

[spurraider21]

at the end of the day it doesnt matter if you post up monster stats but dont win

only thing those players are doing is accumulating total stats, then revisionists will go back and lay a shit on them why they couldnt get wins with those type of seasonal stats...

theres 3-4 idiots on tha top25 lists that i always have a problem with, guys who are known to be stat padders then coming up short with alot of bullshit excuses, whether its selfish play or blaming the roster they are dealt with....
any good player on a bad team will look like a statpadder. sometimes its difficult to judge people in shitty situations. somebody with your standards would call anthony davis a stat padder just because his team is shitty and they can't win

[baseline bum]

Kareem is crazy underrated when everyone keeps picking Bill Russell over him. I can't believe the guy played 20 years in the age before arthroscopic surgery, before getting drafted at 19, before teams gave a shit about conditioning, etc. He may be an asshole, but what a work ethic to dominate that long in the pre-HGH era.

[irishock]

Ugh, Catfag at it again... :lol a guy rightfully considered a top 5 player all time is the most underrated ever?... you may as well claim pussy choker Jerry West over Kobe

[lefty]

Kareem is crazy underrated when everyone keeps picking Bill Russell over him. I can't believe the guy played 20 years in the age before arthroscopic surgery, before getting drafted at 19, before teams gave a shit about conditioning, etc. He may be an asshole, but what a work ethic to dominate that long in the pre-HGH era.
Kareem was a physical freak

And once in a while he would join that Lakers fastbreak

WTF

[Rogue]

big-market players can hardly be underrated, imho.

[spurraider21]

if a lakerfan ever calls the spurs/duncan boring, have them watch any 5 minute highlight reel of kareem. snoozefest

[ezau]

He's very similar to Duncan.. and is in my opinion one of the most underrated and forgotten about stars in NBA history. He created the single most dominant move in the game. Sure the Dream Shake was pretty, but it wasn't as effective as the sky hook.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2U4JSrpO78

Straight taking Wilt to school ^

Wilt is the first monkeyballer. Look at him desperately block Kareem's sky hooks:lol

[spurraider21]

Wilt is the first monkeyballer. Look at him desperately block Kareem's sky hooks:lol
wans't wilt approaching TOSB when kareem was a young buck (no pun intended)

[LkrFan]

He wouldn't interview without being compelled to do so. But, it was an openly racist Media then, unlike now where the racism is suppressed. So Media punished him during his career & then took their vengeance after he retired. He understood Media for the vermin they were & are, but, he paid a price for that opine and the behaviors that it wrought.
Truth bomb. If the media liked him, no way would they say MJ was the GOAT.

It's too bad he won't get his due. Even Magic (GOAT PG) never won without him.

[LkrFan]

lol no he's not a cuck
:lmao

[LkrFan]

No. He's listed as probably in the top 5 all time. He played too long for the short attention span crowd who thinks a person's worth is dictated by their peak, not by the body of their work.

By your logic, Tammy barely cracks the top 100 - for bigs. -10 points, farmer.

[LkrFan]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170340

Regular season – 1969-70

1. Date: Fri 10/24/69
- Chamberlain 25 pts, 25 rebs, 5 as, 3 blocks, 9-14 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 23 pts, 20 rebs, 2 as, 2 blocks, 9-21 FG/FGA L

Regular season – 1970-71

2. Date: Fri 11/20/70
- Chamberlain 28 pts, 23 rebs, 3 as, 10 blocks, 7-20 FG/FGA – 6 blocks against Jabbar L
-Abdul-Jabbar 29 pts, 13 rebs, 0 as, 2 blocks, 13-32 FG/FGA W

3. Date: Mon 12/21/70
- Chamberlain 25 pts, 14 rebs, 3 as, 2 blocks, 11-23 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 37 pts, 16 rebs, 0 as, 4 blocks, 17-33 FG/FGA W

4. Date: Fri 02/05/71
- Chamberlain 14 pts, 14 rebs, 3 as, 6 blocks, 7-10 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 27 pts, 10 rebs, 3 as, * blocks, 10-21 FG/FGA L

5. Date: Thu 02/11/71
- Chamberlain 25 pts, 11 rebs, 1 as, * blocks, 10-19 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 31 pts, 21 rebs, 0 as, * blocks, 13-30 FG/FGA – 2 blocks against Wilt W

6. Date: Wed 03/03/71
- Chamberlain 24 pts, 13 rebs, 5 as, 8 blocks, 7-15 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 15 pts, 6 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 7-21 FG/FGA W

Post season – 1970-71 – WCF playoffs

7. Date: Fri 04/09/71
- Chamberlain 22 pts, 20 rebs, 1 as, 8 blocks, 10-19 FG/FGA – 3 blocks against Jabbar L
-Abdul-Jabbar 32 pts, 22 rebs, 1 as, 1 blocks, 14-30 FG/FGA W

8. Date: Sun 04/11/71
- Chamberlain 26 pts, 22 rebs, 0 as, 3 blocks, 10-21 FG/FGA - Wilt blocked numerious shots L
-Abdul-Jabbar 22 pts, 10 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 9-19 FG/FGA W

9. Date: Wed 04/14/71
- Chamberlain 24 pts, 24 rebs, 3 as, 3 blocks, 9-19 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 20 pts, 19 rebs, 6 as, 0 blocks, 8-16 FG/FGA L

10.Date: Fri 04/16/71
- Chamberlain 15 pts, 16 rebs, 2 as, 2 blocks, 7-14 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 31 pts, 20 rebs, 5 as, * blocks, 14-20 FG/FGA W

11.Date: Sun 04/18/71
- Chamberlain 23 pts, 12 rebs, 4 as, 6 blocks, 10-21 FG/FGA – 5 blocks against Jabbar L
-Abdul-Jabbar 20 pts, 15 rebs, 5 as, 3 blocks, 7-23 FG/FGA W

According to an article from 19.04.1971 Wilt blocked 22 shots and Lew Alcindor blocked 10 shots for the 5 game series.

Regular season – 1971-72

12.Date: Sat 11/21/71
- Chamberlain 11 pts, 26 rebs, 6 as, 4 blocks, 4-9 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 39 pts, 17 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 17-33 FG/FGA L

13.Date: Sun 01/09/72
- Chamberlain 15 pts, 12 rebs, 2 as, 6 blocks, 7-11 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 39 pts, 20 rebs, 5 as, 9 blocks, 18-34 FG/FGA W

14.Date: Fri 02/04/72
- Chamberlain 18 pts, 25 rebs, 3 as, * blocks, 8-14 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 40 pts, 18 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 16-33 FG/FGA L

15.Date: Wed 03/01/72
- Chamberlain 8 pts, 17 rebs, 5 as, * blocks, 3-5 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 33 pts, 12 rebs, 8 as, * blocks, 13-33 FG/FGA L

16.Date: Fri 03/17/72
- Chamberlain 18 pts, 25 rebs, 5 as, * blocks, 7-15 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 50 pts, 8 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 22-39 FG/FGA L

Post season – 1971-72 – WCF playoffs

17.Date: Sun 04/09/72
- Chamberlain 10 pts, 24 rebs, 0 as, * blocks, 3-12 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 33 pts, 18 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 14-26 FG/FGA W

18.Date: Wed 04/12/72
- Chamberlain 11 pts, 17 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 3-5 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 40 pts, 7 rebs, 7 as, * blocks, 18-31 FG/FGA L

19.Date: Fri 04/14/72
- Chamberlain 7 pts, 14 rebs, 4 as, 10 blocks, 1-3 FG/FGA – 6 blocks against Jabbar W
-Abdul-Jabbar 33 pts, 21 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 15-37 FG/FGA L

20.Date: Sun 04/16/72
- Chamberlain 5 pts, 11 rebs, 4 as, 3 blocks, 2-7 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 31 pts, 18 rebs, 3 as, 7 blocks, 14-33 FG/FGA W

21.Date: Tue 04/18/72
- Chamberlain 12 pts, 26 rebs, 6 as, 9 blocks, 2-3 FG/FGA - 4 blocks against Jabbar W
-Abdul-Jabbar 28 pts, 16 rebs, 3 as, * blocks, 13-33 FG/FGA L

22.Date: Sat 04/22/72
- Chamberlain 20 pts, 24 rebs, 2 as, 9 blocks, 8-12 FG/FGA - 3 blocks and 2 steals against Jabbar W
-Abdul-Jabbar 37 pts, 25 rebs, 8 as, * blocks, 16-37 FG/FGA L

Regular season – 1972-73

23.Date: Tue 11/14/72
- Chamberlain 16 pts, 15 rebs, 1 as, * blocks, 8-12 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 37 pts, 16 rebs, 6 as, 7 blocks, 17-32 FG/FGA L

24.Date: Tue 12/05/72
- Chamberlain 9 pts, 15 rebs, 7 as, * blocks, 4-4 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 29 pts, 17 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 11-30 FG/FGA L

25.Date: Sun 01/07/73
- Chamberlain 9 pts, 18 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 3-5 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 37 pts, 12 rebs, 7 as, * blocks, 17-36 FG/FGA W

26.Date: Fri 02/09/73
- Chamberlain 8 pts, 14 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 3-3 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 29 pts, 24 rebs, 2 as, * blocks, 14-24 FG/FGA W

27.Date: Sun 02/25/73
- Chamberlain 24 pts, 20 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 10-14 FG/FGA W
-Abdul-Jabbar 21 pts, 21 rebs, 6 as, * blocks, 10-27 FG/FGA L

28.Date: Tue 03/27/73
- Chamberlain 0 pts, 14 rebs, 4 as, * blocks, 0-0 FG/FGA L
-Abdul-Jabbar 24 pts, 17 rebs, 1 as, * blocks, 12-31 FG/FGA W

W = team wоn
L = team lost

The total minutes played:
Chamberlain - 1259 minutes or 44.96 per game
Jabbar - 1208 minutes or 43.14 per game

The FTs data:
Chamberlain - 106 from 218 (48.62 %)
Jabbar - 111 from 155 (71.61 %)

* Blocked stats are collected from archive newspapers articles (as most of the data), NBA doesn't kept track of blocked shots before 1973/74 season. I find in the forum info about Wilt blocked 8 shots in game 1 of 1971/72 regular season, but I was not able to find evidence in google news archive search,so again I do not post it.




Cap: 6, Wilt: 2(?)

[LkrFan]

at the end of the day it doesnt matter if you post up monster stats but dont win

only thing those players are doing is accumulating total stats, then revisionists will go back and lay a shit on them why they couldnt get wins with those type of seasonal stats...

theres 3-4 idiots on tha top25 lists that i always have a problem with, guys who are known to be stat padders then coming up short with alot of bullshit excuses, whether its selfish play or blaming the roster they are dealt with....English translation: truth bomb - although most farmers won't acknowledge these facts. That would be like saying 5 > 4. ;)

[LkrFan]

if a lakerfan ever calls the spurs/duncan boring, have them watch any 5 minute highlight reel of kareem. snoozefest

Explain this shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit! :lmao

[SpurSwag]

Kareem?......no way. I'll tell you the guy that is the most underrated player of All Time and he is Top 10 in points and rebounds and longevity but doesn't have a lot of titles....he's up there with the MJ, Magic, Kobe, Kareem, Duncan, Wilt, Russell, Hakeem, Shaq, Bird,..ect.....his name is Moses Malone.

Great post tbh I admit I never acknowledge him on lists of top 10 players because i never saw him play and because he is really never talked about. Looking at his body of work though he was incredible.

[LkrFan]

if a lakerfan ever calls the spurs/duncan boring, have them watch any 5 minute highlight reel of kareem. snoozefest

Cap had a bad temper too. Just ask Bird. Unlike Duncan, he'd give a kick in the ass, instead of receiving a dick in the ass!

:rollin :lmao :rollin

[baseline bum]

Cap had a bad temper too. Just ask Bird. Unlike Duncan, he'd give a kick in the ass, instead of receiving a dick in the ass!

:rollin :lmao :rollin

You'd think such an alpha would keep his teammate from getting DAPed and stuck with that nasty souvenir.

http://dayandadream.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/magic-johnson-1991.jpg

[Venti Quattro]

Cap had a bad temper too.

Kareem hated people

[Arcadian]

The Big Muslim

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Cap had a bad temper too. Just ask Bird. Unlike Duncan, he'd give a kick in the ass, instead of receiving a dick in the ass!

:rollin :lmao :rollin

Fuck you. Kareem hid behind Kermit Washington. In 1972, he floored Gail Goodrich and when Chamberlain stepped he ran into the stands. Alpha big men don't need an enforcer.

Then there is 73-78 where prime Kareem was prime failure in the watered down ABA era. Kareem is the most overrated athlete in pro sports history.

[spurraider21]

Fuck you. Kareem hid behind Kermit Washington. In 1972, he floored Gail Goodrich and when Chamberlain stepped he ran into the stands. Alpha big men don't need an enforcer.

Then there is 73-78 where prime Kareem was prime failure in the watered down ABA era. Kareem is the most overrated athlete in pro sports history.
expect to have quite a few replies to this tomorrow :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

expect to have quite a few replies to this tomorrow :lol

It is what it is. It took him 8 extra years to beat Chamberlains points record and he still couldn't manage to get more rebounds.

He lost without Robertson or Magic and when he was in his prime with half of the top talent was in the ABA he was missing the playoffs and getting outed early like a chump.

If Jabbar is the best basketball player then then Cal Ripken is the best baseball player ever. It's bullshit.

[LkrFan]

You'd think such an alpha would keep his teammate from getting DAPed and stuck with that nasty souvenir.

http://dayandadream.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/magic-johnson-1991.jpg
:rollin - nah, he was prolly at Magic's "Get Busy (http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/nba/183050307664/0/magic-johnson-use-to-throw-)" party too. :lol

[LkrFan]

expect to have quite a few replies to this tomorrow :lol
Nah, I won't respond to her stupidity. She should be making her man a sammich, yet she over here wasting time trolling on the internetz. She maaaaaaaaaaad as fuck. Cussing and shit. Very unladylike if you ask me. :lol

[chief keef]

at this point, he's the only nigga with a legit argument against MJ for GOAT

[LkrFan]

at this point, he's the only nigga with a legit argument against MJ for GOAT
Tell that shit to FuzzyLabia. :rollin :lmao :rollin

[Rogue]

being top10 all time is still an underestimation?

[Thread]

Fuck you. Kareem hid behind Kermit Washington. In 1972, he floored Gail Goodrich and when Chamberlain stepped he ran into the stands. Alpha big men don't need an enforcer.

Then there is 73-78 where prime Kareem was prime failure in the watered down ABA era. Kareem is the most overrated athlete in pro sports history.

Though I remember when the Pistons programmed Kent Benson and talked the fool into bullying Kareem.

tee, hee. Benson played again, but, he was never the same. & he never touched Jabbar again. Or, when the Sonics talked Tom Burleson into growing a beard to make himself look tougher so he could compete with Jabbar. lol.

[Boomersgold]

being top10 all time is still an underestimation?
Damn straight it is. If he's not in the top 3 greatest players or all time, then yes, it is an underestimation. You can't overlook his achievements in the sport.

[FYM]

He is overrated tbh, couldn't beat midget bruce lee one on one shhh...

[Katherine Robinson]

Best big man of all time, a hair ahead of Shaq and Hakeem. His matchups with Wilt went to show that Wilt was pretty good even when facing actual skill.

[LkrFan]

He is overrated tbh, couldn't beat midget bruce lee one on one shhh...
I wish he had the chance to bust Russell's ass tbh. He sure wouldn't have all them rings. :nope

[Clipper Nation]

Mauricio slurping Kareem.... I had no idea they broadcast games back then in Mexico :lol

[LkrFan]

Mauricio slurping Kareem.... I had no idea they broadcast games back then in Mexico :lol
:lol

[FYM]

I wish he had the chance to bust Russell's ass tbh. He sure wouldn't have all them rings. :nope

dude you had your chance to destroy Celtics dynasty in 62, your Selvy shit the bed on dat JS with 5 sec left...

Well before 28 there was 5 if not for dat 5 I would be sitting on a -1 instead of a +1

You had your chance but Baylor 61 points were not enough to bring you home, that's your cross

[Blake]

l55nq3djeyY

[Venti Quattro]

dude you had your chance to destroy Celtics dynasty in 62, your Selvy shit the bed on dat JS with 5 sec left...

Well before 28 there was 5 if not for dat 5 I would be sitting on a -1 instead of a +1

You had your chance but Baylor 61 points were not enough to bring you home, that's your cross

:lol Red Auerbach

[Splits]

He wouldn't interview without being compelled to do so. But, it was an openly racist Media then, unlike now where the racism is suppressed. So Media punished him during his career & then took their vengeance after he retired. He understood Media for the vermin they were & are, but, he paid a price for that opine and the behaviors that it wrought.


You start out in 1954 by saying, "Niqqer, niqqer, niqqer." By 1968 you can't say "niqqer" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Niqqer, niqqer."

Lee Atwater - Former Republican Party "strategist"

[Thread]

Lee Atwater - Former Republican Party "strategist"

We ain't been whole since Atwater died.

[lefty]

Kareem wa an a-hole

Nobody was standing up to him despite the fact he destroyed faces with his sharp elbows and threw cheap shots

Then one day, a scrub center who had enough punched him hard in the face

He was ejected, but boy, did Kareem deserve it

[Thread]

Kareem wa an a-hole

You don't win 6 NBA Titles without being an asshole.

[RsxPiimp]

Kareem was a beast. He was schooling Olajuwon even at 40.

[RsxPiimp]

Mauricio slurping Kareem.... I had no idea they broadcast games back then in Mexico :lol

:lol

[ambchang]

Kareem was a beast. He was schooling Olajuwon even at 40.

WTH you talking about? Hakeem (and Sampson) destroyed him in 86. Kareem got some points, but couldn't handle the physical Hakeem down low, and got bullied like he got bullied by Moses in 83.

[RsxPiimp]

WTH you talking about? Hakeem (and Sampson) destroyed him in 86. Kareem got some points, but couldn't handle the physical Hakeem down low, and got bullied like he got bullied by Moses in 83.

You're full of shit, Kareem dropped 43 and 46 on Olajuwon in their first two meetings in 86:lol

[ambchang]

You're full of shit, Kareem dropped 43 and 46 on Olajuwon in their first two meetings in 86:lol

You clearly never saw the 86 series. Hakeem just bullied him, and it was obviously the beginning of the end for Kareem.

That series exposed the Lakers, and it got so bad Stern had to step in and suspend 1/3 of the Rockets just so the Lakers could win again in 87 and 88. and keep that Celtics rivalry alive for a few more years.

[ambchang]

BTW, KAJ is one of the toughest to rate due to a few factors.
1) He played so long, but his prime was clearly during the watered down ABA era.
2) He won 6 titles, but all of them were with the best or 2nd best PG of all time.
3) He missed the playoffs, two years in a row for two different teams.
4) He was fiercely private, and a jackass to boot. The media never gave him a fair shake.
5) He was dominant in his early years, but when he got older, his defense and rebounding started to stink. Not sure if it was old age, or just the more athletic players just destroyed him.

I have always viewed him as the GOAT, even after Jordan came on board, but I am having a lot of doubts about that. No doubt he's top 5 of all time, most likely top 3 of all time, but his body of work is uneven.

All told, he is probably rightly rated. I don't see any retards out there saying Shaq, Lebron, Kobe, Duncan and Hakeem > Kareem. Kareem is mostly rated in the group of players like Jordan and Magic.

[Boomersgold]

You clearly never saw the 86 series. Hakeem just bullied him, and it was obviously the beginning of the end for Kareem.

That series exposed the Lakers, and it got so bad Stern had to step in and suspend 1/3 of the Rockets just so the Lakers could win again in 87 and 88. and keep that Celtics rivalry alive for a few more years.

How old was he in 86? 38? A 38 year old dropping 43 and 46 on a younger, more athletic Olajuwon?

[FYM]

:lol Red Auerbach

the father of monkey ballin'

a great human being tbh

[ambchang]

How old was he in 86? 38? A 38 year old dropping 43 and 46 on a younger, more athletic Olajuwon?

In the regular season. In the playoffs, Hakeem dropped 40 on him, and Kareem averaged like 5 rebounds for the series.

[Killakobe81]

In the regular season. In the playoffs, Hakeem dropped 40 on him, and Kareem averaged like 5 rebounds for the series.

Dont disagree that Hakeem dominated him in that series he was the best player period and that includes Magic, Worthy.

However Kareem at that age after a long season where he played almost every night ...getting dominated by a player like the Dream is no shame.

[Killakobe81]

BTW, KAJ is one of the toughest to rate due to a few factors.
1) He played so long, but his prime was clearly during the watered down ABA era.
2) He won 6 titles, but all of them were with the best or 2nd best PG of all time.
3) He missed the playoffs, two years in a row for two different teams.
4) He was fiercely private, and a jackass to boot. The media never gave him a fair shake.
5) He was dominant in his early years, but when he got older, his defense and rebounding started to stink. Not sure if it was old age, or just the more athletic players just destroyed him.

I have always viewed him as the GOAT, even after Jordan came on board, but I am having a lot of doubts about that. No doubt he's top 5 of all time, most likely top 3 of all time, but his body of work is uneven.

All told, he is probably rightly rated. I don't see any retards out there saying Shaq, Lebron, Kobe, Duncan and Hakeem > Kareem. Kareem is mostly rated in the group of players like Jordan and Magic.

I love when you talk hoops great post. Pretty fair take.

[Killakobe81]

WTH you talking about? Hakeem (and Sampson) destroyed him in 86. Kareem got some points, but couldn't handle the physical Hakeem down low, and got bullied like he got bullied by Moses in 83.

Also true. but great thing about the "Cap" every time he looked buried he bounced back with some great play the next year or series.
something he and Timmy have in common , BR and others nationally (analysts) had Duncan buried 3 plus seasons ago.

[ambchang]

Dont disagree that Hakeem dominated him in that series he was the best player period and that includes Magic, Worthy.

However Kareem at that age after a long season where he played almost every night ...getting dominated by a player like the Dream is no shame.

No question, I think given his age, he did very well. But then RsxPimp didn't say that, he said a 40 year old Kareem dominated Hakeem, which was just utter bullshit.

EDIT: Exact quote by KoolaidMan's Pimp


Kareem was a beast. He was schooling Olajuwon even at 40.

[CitizenDwayne]

I've always heard that Kareem was a massive prick, but does anyone have any specific examples?

Just seems to me that MJ was such an asshole, how could Kareem have been any worse than him?

[Killakobe81]

In the regular season. In the playoffs, Hakeem dropped 40 on him, and Kareem averaged like 5 rebounds for the series.

Im no stat guy but it was much worse than that tbh ...
Hakeem (and Moses before him) had me thinking Kareem was DONE.

[Killakobe81]

I've always heard that Kareem was a massive prick, but does anyone have any specific examples?

Just seems to me that MJ was such an asshole, how could Kareem have been any worse than him?

Both are/were same as Kobe, tbh.
MJ though as Riles said was the ultimate con man would of been a uber sales-man.
MJ played the "role" Kareem was not only a prick but was a militant brother.
His book are excellent. I prefer Magic but Kareem is much smarter, deeper in life.

Magic like MJ knew how to succeed in coprporate america.

[ambchang]

I've always heard that Kareem was a massive prick, but does anyone have any specific examples?

Just seems to me that MJ was such an asshole, how could Kareem have been any worse than him?

They are different kinds. MJ had an entire PR team behind him, making him into this loveable competitor. Afterall, McDs had to sell fries, Nike had to sell shoes, Hanes had to sell underwear, and Coke had to sell, well ... Coke. Nobody dared cross Jordan publicly as players either, as those who did would be viewed as mentally weak (see Horace Grant). Jordan was a bully, but he tried to hide it behind marketing dollars.

Kareem, on the other hand, was much more respectable in his approach. He was a jerk, and he acted it. He never tried to hide it, and he ignored media and fans all together. One of his sons was very negative about him as a person, he was very arrogant to players, called Wilt a "crybaby and quitter", he never signs autographs and take photos for fans, he publicly trashed the entire city of Milwaukee when he was there, demanded to be traded to a metropolitan with a larger Muslin population.

He just wasn't very likeable, but at least he didn't try to hide it.

[ambchang]

Both are/were same as Kobe, tbh.
MJ though as Riles said was the ultimate con man would of been a uber sales-man.
MJ played the "role" Kareem was not only a prick but was a militant brother.
His book are excellent. I prefer Magic but Kareem is much smarter, deeper in life.

Magic like MJ knew how to succeed in coprporate america.

Come on man, on one hand you say I try to troll all the time, then you start pull Kobe out of thin air for no reason to bait me.

Just don't put Kobe and Jordan/Kareem in the same sentence. They are not the same.

Jordan was a bully, and he forced people to conform to him behind close doors. Some would lash out (Cartright/Kerr), and Jordan will never cross them again, but some just crumble and disappear (Dennis Hopson). He uses the media once in a while to push blame onto Krause, but overall, he deals with his stuff in house.

Kareem doesn't give two shits about his teammates. He just wanted to be left alone when he wanted to, but praised as God around the clock.

Kobe on the other hand is about as fake tough guy as you can get. Goes after Shaq but through the media and management, "leaking" videos of rants of trading Bynum, talking about his team in front of the media when MVPau and Dwight was around. He's the guy who was enabled by management because of his marketability.

[Boomersgold]

Im no stat guy but it was much worse than that tbh ...
Hakeem (and Moses before him) had me thinking Kareem was DONE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNGJl2MfyiI

Let me repeat myself. Kareem was 38 in '86, and he still managed to keep up with Olajuwon and Sampson! To really see how impressive that is, you'd have to compare what the other legendary centers did at that age. Shaq at 38 averaged 9 pts and 5 rebounds, Wilt retired at 36, and a 38 year old Hakeem averaged 12 and 7. By comparison, Kareem averaged 23 points and 6 rebounds in 86! That's damn impressive!

[ambchang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNGJl2MfyiI

Let me repeat myself. Kareem was 38 in '86, and he still managed to keep up with Olajuwon and Sampson! To really see how impressive that is, you'd have to compare what the other legendary centers did at that age. Shaq at 38 averaged 9 pts and 5 rebounds, Wilt retired at 36, and a 38 year old Hakeem averaged 12 and 7. By comparison, Kareem averaged 23 points and 6 rebounds in 86! That's damn impressive!

No question he aged very well, and he could always score, but his defense and rebounding was horrible when he was old. He was still very good at 38, all-star good, but he was not schooling Hakeem then, it was the other way around. Hakeem was bullying his old ass then.

[Killakobe81]

Come on man, on one hand you say I try to troll all the time, then you start pull Kobe out of thin air for no reason to bait me.

Just don't put Kobe and Jordan/Kareem in the same sentence. They are not the same.

Jordan was a bully, and he forced people to conform to him behind close doors. Some would lash out (Cartright/Kerr), and Jordan will never cross them again, but some just crumble and disappear (Dennis Hopson). He uses the media once in a while to push blame onto Krause, but overall, he deals with his stuff in house.

Kareem doesn't give two shits about his teammates. He just wanted to be left alone when he wanted to, but praised as God around the clock.

Kobe on the other hand is about as fake tough guy as you can get. Goes after Shaq but through the media and management, "leaking" videos of rants of trading Bynum, talking about his team in front of the media when MVPau and Dwight was around. He's the guy who was enabled by management because of his marketability.

Who was trying to bait you? honestly?
You are the one with the Kobe complex ...
We were talking about assholes.
If you want to create a tier or ranking of assholes, go ahead.
Does not matter to me at all what kind of asshole they were or who was the bigger one.
All 3 are great all 3 in some ways could be called assholes.
Again why does that matter? What the fuck does that have to with hoops?
I dont care about any of that tbh, so in future posts directed at me, you are wasting your breath.

someone asked a question (citizen) brought up MJ and Kareem as assholes and I, a Kobe fan threw him in as a asshole.
Doesnt that show I can be unbiased. I wasnt comparing Kobe to MJ or Kareem in a good light.
But again WGAF?
You take Kobe way too seriously ...but yet you dont hate him ..so full of shit ...yet we were going so well talking hoops today.

[Thread]

You take Kobe way too seriously ...but yet you dont hate him ..so full of shit ...yet we were going so well talking hoops today.

Killa 4 square with his brothers. Always steadfast.

[ambchang]

Who was trying to bait you? honestly?
You are the one with the Kobe complex ...
We were talking about assholes.
If you want to create a tier or ranking of assholes, go ahead.
Does not matter to me at all what kind of asshole they were or who was the bigger one.
All 3 are great all 3 in some ways could be called assholes.
Again why does that matter? What the fuck does that have to with hoops?
I dont care about any of that tbh, so in future posts directed at me, you are wasting your breath.

someone asked a question (citizen) brought up MJ and Kareem as assholes and I, a Kobe fan threw him in as a asshole.
Doesnt that show I can be unbiased. I wasnt comparing Kobe to MJ or Kareem in a good light.
But again WGAF?
You take Kobe way too seriously ...but yet you dont hate him ..so full of shit ...yet we were going so well talking hoops today.

You accuse me trolling Kobestans, then just pull Kobe out of thin air.

The only commonality between Kobe and Kareem was that they were Lakers

The only commonality between Kobe and Jordan was they were both SGs

Kobe ain't even enough of an asshole to be compared to Jordan and Kareem.

[Thread]

You accuse me trolling Kobestans, then just pull Kobe out of thin air.

The only commonality between Kobe and Kareem was that they were Lakers

The only commonality between Kobe and Jordan was they were both SGs

Kobe ain't even enough of an asshole to be compared to Jordan and Kareem.

Kaaaaaaaaaaablllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaam!!! Amb just blew his stack.

ha, ha.

[Killakobe81]

You accuse me trolling Kobestans, then just pull Kobe out of thin air.

The only commonality between Kobe and Kareem was that they were Lakers

The only commonality between Kobe and Jordan was they were both SGs

Kobe ain't even enough of an asshole to be compared to Jordan and Kareem.

Wow Amb's hate blinds him so much that I cannot even call Kobe an asshole ...

Anyone else, is it a stretch, reach or out of bounds to bring up Kobe when talking about famous NBA assholes?
I'm with Thread ... Amb has truly lost it.
I guess only he can criticize Kobe

[Clipper Nation]

Amb dropping more truthbombs, bringing great basketball discussion as always, much like MVPau brought two alpha rings to the Lakers :worthy:

[Killakobe81]

Amb dropping more truthbombs, bringing great basketball discussion as always, much like MVPau brought two alpha rings to the Lakers :worthy:

CN with the "tea bagging goods" as usual.

[ambchang]

Kaaaaaaaaaaablllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaam!!! Amb just blew his stack.

ha, ha.

Grown ups are talking, you ST piss bucket should stay out of it.


Wow Amb's hate blinds him so much that I cannot even call Kobe an asshole ...

Anyone else, is it a stretch, reach or out of bounds to bring up Kobe when talking about famous NBA assholes?
I'm with Thread ... Amb has truly lost it.
I guess only he can criticize Kobe

Not really about the criticizing of Kobe, but more about bringing in Kobe when it has absolutely nothing to do with him. Your "criticism" of him was but a thinly veiled attempt to talk about his competitive fire and how he would go out and do whatever it takes to win, including acting like a jackass. Truth being, he just hides behind management throwing arrows because he knew how much marketing dollars he is bringing in.

[Killakobe81]

Grown ups are talking, you ST piss bucket should stay out of it.



Not really about the criticizing of Kobe, but more about bringing in Kobe when it has absolutely nothing to do with him. Your "criticism" of him was but a thinly veiled attempt to talk about his competitive fire and how he would go out and do whatever it takes to win, including acting like a jackass. Truth being, he just hides behind management throwing arrows because he knew how much marketing dollars he is bringing in.

Not it really wasn't ...now you are projecting. I aint Kool.
Yes, I do think the other things are true ... but it doesnt matter he is an asshole which was the topic at hand... Or at least he seems like one, has admitted as much in interviews but I dont know the man.

Again how is calling someone an asshole a compliment?
Wast meant to be one when I agreed with others who painted Kareem or Mj with the same brush.
YOU overreacted, it happens ... be a man apologize or admit you were wrong and move on ... or don't. I honestly wasnt trying to bring Kobe in for another purpose. He is a asshole. end of story.
But you derailed our thread, not me.
I apologize did not realize just mentioning Kobe as a asshole was such a trigger for you.
Just because you throw MVPau to get a reaction doesnt mean when I call Kobe a asshole I am trying to do the same ...

[Thread]

Grown ups are talking, you ST piss bucket should stay out of it.

There goes yer stack again. Nothin' but a soreheaded 6'er

ha, ha.

[ambchang]

There goes yer stack again. Nothin' but a soreheaded 6'er

ha, ha.

It was a level-headed advice filled with facts.

KK81 and I are both grown ups.
You are the piss bucket of ST.
You should stay out of this.

One simple sentence, three facts.

Not sure how it would be blowing my stack.

[ambchang]

Not it really wasn't ...now you are projecting. I aint Kool.
Yes, I do think the other things are true ... but it doesnt matter he is an asshole which was the topic at hand... Or at least he seems like one, has admitted as much in interviews but I dont know the man.

Again how is calling someone an asshole a compliment?
Wast meant to be one when I agreed with others who painted Kareem or Mj with the same brush.
YOU overreacted, it happens ... be a man apologize or admit you were wrong and move on ... or don't. I honestly wasnt trying to bring Kobe in for another purpose. He is a asshole. end of story.
But you derailed our thread, not me.
I apologize did not realize just mentioning Kobe as a asshole was such a trigger for you.
Just because you throw MVPau to get a reaction doesnt mean when I call Kobe a asshole I am trying to do the same ...

It's like going in an interview, somebody ask, "What is your biggest weakness" (which is a pretty stupid question to begin with), then the interviewee said, "Well, I am too much of a perfectionist. And I tend not to work well with lazy teammates who refuse to pull their own weight."

It's a thinly veiled mask in saying how good you are, and I never hire these insincere people.

As for MVPau, just trying to preach and have him not be underrated. Really a superstar being labeled as a beta, by his own fans nonetheless.

[Killakobe81]

It's like going in an interview, somebody ask, "What is your biggest weakness" (which is a pretty stupid question to begin with), then the interviewee said, "Well, I am too much of a perfectionist. And I tend not to work well with lazy teammates who refuse to pull their own weight."

It's a thinly veiled mask in saying how good you are, and I never hire these insincere people.

As for MVPau, just trying to preach and have him not be underrated. Really a superstar being labeled as a beta, by his own fans nonetheless.

I get your analogy but again I was not being insincere. We have done the Kobe vs Duncan dance enough times I told u I was not going there. On occasion I call out your hypocrisy or trollin but largely left that subject alone. If you don't believe me here don't know what to tell you ...except that would make me a troll and you took the bait. I suck at trolling and thought we were doing well with the hoops talk ... You took it off track with a bit of Kobe hate and I already apologized but I admit it was a snarky one ... On my two kids it was not a veiled attempt or whatever made up stuff you called it. As a man can't give more of my word over the internets. Take it for as sincerely as you wish. Or dont. Can we get back on topic now?

[ambchang]

I get your analogy but again I was not being insincere. We have done the Kobe vs Duncan dance enough times I told u I was not going there. On occasion I call out your hypocrisy or trollin but largely left that subject alone. If you don't believe me here don't know what to tell you ...except that would make me a troll and you took the bait. I suck at trolling and thought we were doing well with the hoops talk ... You took it off track with a bit of Kobe hate and I already apologized but I admit it was a snarky one ... On my two kids it was not a veiled attempt or whatever made up stuff you called it. As a man can't give more of my word over the internets. Take it for as sincerely as you wish. Or dont. Can we get back on topic now?

No harm done, and no need to apologize. You are one of the few actual Laker fans here (knowledgeable at that), but we will just never agree on the Kobe legacy.

It really is a shame that we can't see eye to eye on this.

As for my Kobe hate, I honestly don't hate him, I am just there trying to rebalance the universal with all the Kobe overrating.

[benefactor]

Some solid work done by ambchang in this thread. Every now and then, actually basketball discussion happens in the NBA forum.:lol

[Killakobe81]

No harm done, and no need to apologize. You are one of the few actual Laker fans here (knowledgeable at that), but we will just never agree on the Kobe legacy.

It really is a shame that we can't see eye to eye on this.

As for my Kobe hate, I honestly don't hate him, I am just there trying to rebalance the universal with all the Kobe overrating.

Im going with Jay-Z on this one ...

"we dont believe you, you need more PEOPLE" ...but like I said I have no interest in that debate we disagree on that but I enjoy our hoops talks. We do agree on Kareem for the most part ...

[Killakobe81]

and that is what the subject was ...

[LkrFan]

dude you had your chance to destroy Celtics dynasty in 62, your Selvy shit the bed on dat JS with 5 sec left...

Well before 28 there was 5 if not for dat 5 I would be sitting on a -1 instead of a +1

You had your chance but Baylor 61 points were not enough to bring you home, that's your cross
It took you an hour to look that shit up? -10 points. Russell won in an era that was worst than a team claiming a title they won during a 50-game seas:loln. They had, what, 8 teams, and no free agency? GTF:lol of here son. Your no better than FuzzyLabia. :lol

Like I was saying... I wish they played in the same era so that KAJ had the opportunity to bust Russell's balloon knot. It would be like Prime Shaq vs. The Red Rocket! or Tiago Splitter :lol

[Sybok]

By your logic, Tammy barely cracks the top 100 - for bigs. -10 points, farmer.

Who's Tammy? Is that your fat be@ner wife?

[LkrFan]

Who's Tammy? Is that your fat be@ner wife?
:lol

[Clipper Nation]

It took you an hour to look that shit up? -10 points. Russell won in an era that was worst than a team claiming a title they won during a 50-game seas:loln. They had, what, 8 teams, and no free agency? GTF:lol of here son. Your no better than FuzzyLabia. :lol

Like I was saying... I wish they played in the same era so that KAJ had the opportunity to bust Russell's balloon knot. It would be like Prime Shaq vs. The Red Rocket! or Tiago Splitter :lol
Edgardo maaaaaad as fuck that Russell used to push the Lakers' shit in :lol

[Sybok]

:lol

If so, don't let her here you calling her a "big". I mean, I realize she cannot speak English fluently, but I bet she can fuck up a plate of nachos.

[LkrFan]

Edgardo maaaaaad as fuck that Russell used to push the Lakers' shit in :lol
:lol - not really. I wasn't born then to see it, like DMC's old decrepit ass. I have been around for the last 10 Laker titles vs. Celtics 4 titles. So as far as I'm concerned, Lakers 10, Celtics 4. :downspin:

[Clipper Nation]

:lol - not really. I wasn't born then to see it, like DMC's old decrepit ass. I have been around for the last 10 Laker titles vs. Celtics 4 titles. So as far as I'm concerned, Lakers 10, Celtics 4. :downspin:

Revising history because Russell whooped the Lakers' ass every year.... much like how you revise history by claiming Kirby was the alpha instead of MVPau :lol

[LkrFan]

If so, don't let her hear you calling her a "big". I mean, I realize she cannot speak English fluently, but I bet she can fuck up a plate of nachos.
San Antonio Independent Farming School District failing us again. :bang

:lol

[LkrFan]

Revising history because Russell whooped the Lakers' ass every year.... much like how you revise history by claiming Kirby was the alpha instead of MVPau :lol
Pau won nary a playoff game without Kobe holding his hand. Explain that shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Pau won nary a playoff game without Kobe holding his hand. Explain that shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. :lol
As soon as you explain why Kirby was shining shoes between Shaq and MVPau, and why he lost five of eight with Bynum injured (forcing Kirby to be the first option) right before he finally got that MVPau trade he was crying for :downspin:

[Killakobe81]

Amb you my boy but I blame you partially for this ...

[LkrFan]

As soon as you explain why Kirby was shining shoes between Shaq and MVPau, and why he lost five of eight with Bynum injured (forcing Kirby to be the first option) right before he finally got that MVPau trade he was crying for :downspin:

Smush Parker
Chucky Atkins
Luke Walton
Brian Cook
Lamar Odom
Chris Mihm


Should I go on?

[Clipper Nation]

Smush Parker
Chucky Atkins
Luke Walton
Brian Cook
Lamar Odom
Chris Mihm


Should I go on?
That's the kind of supporting cast Kirby asked for when he ran off ShaqPERIOD to try to prove he could do without him.... can't use it as an excuse now, s:loln....

[LkrFan]

That's the kind of supporting cast Kirby asked for when he ran off ShaqPERIOD to try to prove he could do without him.... can't use it as an excuse now, s:loln....
Damn - I can't win. Classh:lolle

[spurraider21]

San Antonio Independent Farming School District failing us again. :bang

:lol
wut?

[spurraider21]

when talking about the Lakers supporting cast from 05-07, laker fan always starts with Smush and Kwame. such intellectual dishonesty. if the spurs dont win this year, its because our cast sucks. bonner, ayres, daye, joseph... no help tbh

[LkrFan]

when talking about the Lakers supporting cast from 05-07, laker fan always starts with Smush and Kwame. such intellectual dishonesty. if the spurs dont win this year, its because our cast sucks. bonner, ayres, daye, joseph... no help tbh
Just realized I didn't have Kwame in my post. But my point still stood tall. :lol

[Killakobe81]

when talking about the Lakers supporting cast from 05-07, laker fan always starts with Smush and Kwame. such intellectual dishonesty. if the spurs dont win this year, its because our cast sucks. bonner, ayres, daye, joseph... no help tbh

Wont get sucked in this but the guys you mentioned are not starters ... Kwame and Smush were
But dont let facts get in the way of your derailment of a fine thread ...

[Killakobe81]

Carry on ...

[Clipper Nation]

Just realized I didn't have Kwame in my post. But my point still stood tall. :lol

You also left out prime Caron Butler....

Prime Tuff Juice and Lamar - a young DWade could win with that and prime Kirby couldn't? :downspin: dat shittttt!

[LkrFan]

You also left out prime Caron Butler....

Prime Tuff Juice and Lamar - a young DWade could win with that and prime Kirby couldn't? :downspin: dat shittttt!Win what, a playoff game? :lol

[Leetonidas]

A decent amount of older basketball fans who saw him play consider him the GOAT and most who have Jordan as the GOAT still usually have him in the 2-5 range. Definitely not underrated imo

[Leetonidas]

Win what, a playoff game? :lol

They actually got to the playoffs :lol

[spurraider21]

Bonner has started for the spurs tbh

[Clipper Nation]

They actually got to the playoffs :lol

And won a series, and took the 61-win Pacers to six games.... rookie Wade shitting on prime Kirby :lol

[LkrFan]

They actually got to the playoffs :lol
Yeah, in the EC. :lol

[LkrFan]

And won a series, and took the 61-win Pacers to six games.... rookie Wade shitting on prime Kirby :lol
3* shits on 5? :lolK

[Leetonidas]

Kwame Brown wasn't THAT bad imo. He sucks for being a #1 pick but he was a serviceable defensive big and a halfway decent starting C. If Duncan can play next to such talented frontcourt players as TOSB Robinson, Malik Rose, Rasho Nesterovic, Nazr Mohammed, 50 year old Oberto, Fransisco fucking Elson, 6'5" fatass DeJuan Blair, and Matt Bonner, Kobe can play with Kwame Brown.






Smush Parker was trash though :lol

[LkrFan]

Kwame Brown wasn't THAT bad imo. He sucks for being a #1 pick but he was a serviceable defensive big and a halfway decent starting C. If Duncan can play next to such talented frontcourt players as TOSB Robinson, Malik Rose, Rasho Nesterovic, Nazr Mohammed, 50 year old Oberto, Fransisco fucking Elson, 6'5" fatass DeJuan Blair, and Matt Bonner, Kobe can play with Kwame Brown.






Smush Parker was trash though :lolQuoting you so you can't delete this bullshit later. SMDH

[Clipper Nation]

3* shits on 5? :lolK
3* = 5 (Shaq 3 MVPau 2)

[Killakobe81]

A decent amount of older basketball fans who saw him play consider him the GOAT and most who have Jordan as the GOAT still usually have him in the 2-5 range. Definitely not underrated imo

Thanks, Lee for trying.
But this thread has been overrun with rodents ...

[LkrFan]

3* = 5 (Shaq 3 MVPau 2)
Did you know D-Whistle made 97/112 freebies in '06? This represented the most in NBA history in a 6-game Finals. More than Shaq, Jordan, Duncan, Dream, Bird, Parish, Zeke, etc., tbqh, per par. Stern must have been PISSED OFF to the highest degree of pisstivity with Cuban tbh. Dirk should have 2 rangs. SMDH

[Leetonidas]

Quoting you so you can't delete this bullshit later. SMDH

I never said he was some badass, I said "halfway decent." So almost a decent starter. You can't say he's any worse than players like Elson/Blair/Bonner/Rose and he's not that much worse than a player like Mohammed or Nesterovic imo

[Clipper Nation]

Did you know D-Whistle made 97/112 freebies in '06? This represented the most in NBA history in a 6-game Finals. More than Shaq, Jordan, Duncan, Dream, Bird, Parish, Zeke, etc., tbqh, per par. Stern must have been PISSED OFF to the highest degree of pisstivity with Cuban tbh. Dirk should have 2 rangs. SMDH
Yes, D-Whistle has ref and beta rangs, but so does your Kirby :lol

Fun Fact: D-Whistle has a losing record without Shaq or LBJ to carry him.....

[LkrFan]

I never said he was some badass, I said "halfway decent." So almost a decent starter. You can't say he's any worse than players like Elson/Blair/Bonner/Rose and he's not that much worse than a player like Mohammed or Nesterovic imo
So you're telling me the Kwame for MVPau trade wasn't as bad as most Spur Fans says it was?

[Clipper Nation]

So you're telling me the Kwame for MVPau trade wasn't as bad as most Spur Fans says it was?

Let's not go crazy now.... Kwame was a nice role player, definitely not an alpha superstar like prime MVPau....

[Killakobe81]

Let's not go crazy now.... Kwame was a nice role player, definitely not an alpha superstar like prime MVPau....

:lmao

[ambchang]

Amb you my boy but I blame you partially for this ...

for what?

[RsxPiimp]

In the regular season. In the playoffs, Hakeem dropped 40 on him, and Kareem averaged like 5 rebounds for the series.

Just speaks volume of how great Kareem was, even on his dead legs, he was still giving Olajuwon who was about a decade plus younger all kinds of fits :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Tell that shit to FuzzyLabia. :rollin :lmao :rollin

What you busy trying to ignore my points? Oh noes some dipshit calls me a woman because he cannot argue on merit. You look like a dumbfuck with this routine.

Kareem big timed guards and the like with hard fouls. He was like a Bill Laimbeer that ran away when a big came after him. It is what it is.

1973-78 were his prime years and he missed the playoffs when healthy. Magic carried Vlade Divac to the finals. Wilt carried scrubs to 7 games against the best team ever until they got him some help in Greer. MJ took Collins to the ECF multiple times. James carried Boobie Gibson and Mike Brown to the finals.

No Jabbar would pull coward shit like

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[Sybok]

San Antonio Independent Farming School District failing us again. :bang

:lol

I don't live in SA. I didn't grow up in SA. I never went to school in SA. Stupid government muse.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just speaks volume of how great Kareem was, even on his dead legs, he was still giving Olajuwon who was about a decade plus younger all kinds of fits :lol

By giving fits I guess you mean provided no defensive resistance and was dominated on the boards.

[RsxPiimp]

By giving fits I guess you mean provided no defensive resistance and was dominated on the boards.

You do realize how old was Kareem at that point right? I mean, that's one thing you take into consideration right?


People here are talking about Olajuwon "showing" Kareem in his late 30's as if it's a huge accomplishment :lol

[ambchang]

Just speaks volume of how great Kareem was, even on his dead legs, he was still giving Olajuwon who was about a decade plus younger all kinds of fits :lol

No question, but he certainly wasn't schooling Hakeem at 40 though.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You do realize how old was Kareem at that point right? I mean, that's one thing you take into consideration right?

People here are talking about Olajuwon "showing" Kareem in his late 30's as if it's a huge accomplishment :lol

So you recognize the role age plays. Now lets look at the 1972 NBA finals where 23 year old Jabbar lost to 35 year old Chamberlain. In this particular case Chamberlain dominated the boards and held Jabbar under all of his season averages. Cannot say Jabbar did that to Olajuwon when the worm was turned.

Most overrated player of all time.

[RsxPiimp]

No question, but he certainly wasn't schooling Hakeem at 40 though.

You took it literally though, my fault for not making it specific but the gist was "Old man Hakeem was still putting the moves on young Olajuwon" etc

I appreciate you for bringing the goods though. It's refreshing when you don't talk about Kobe tbh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lets also not lose site in the relative strength of rosters between the Rockets and Lakers in 1986. Olajuwon had Ralph Sampson and a bunch of nobodies whereas Jabbar had Magic, Worthy, Scott and Cooper and he still lost in 5.

IOW Olajuwon carried that Rockets team over Jabbar and his multiple HoF cast.

[RsxPiimp]

So you recognize the role age plays. Now lets look at the 1972 NBA finals where 23 year old Jabbar lost to 35 year old Chamberlain. In this particular case Chamberlain dominated the boards and held Jabbar under all of his season averages. Cannot say Jabbar did that to Olajuwon when the worm was turned.

Most overrated player of all time.

Eh, I don't know. I don't think Jabbar's accomplishments is celebrated enough, probably because of the fact he's always sour and bitter, so the media doesn't see his angle. But Jabbar IMO deserved as much recongition as Magic, Bird, MJ and even Russell who IMO is the ONE who is overrated so much, simply because he was one of the few players who broke barriers in his era.

[LkrFan]

Just speaks volume of how great Kareem was, even on his dead legs, he was still giving Olajuwon who was about a decade plus younger all kinds of fits :lol
They're displaying their LDS again. Showtime featured a post-prime KAJ. Had he been in his prime playing with Magic, Worthy, Coop, B Scott, McAdoo, etc., no one else would have won shit in the '80s. :lol at these farmers bragging that 7'4" Sampson and 7' Dream got the best of a probably over 35 year old KAJ (I'm too lazy to luck up his exact age) on a lucky as shot by Sampson's punkass. What happened when they made it to the Finals? '86 Celtics pushed their shit in with the quickness. It wouldn't have been the same had the Lakers made it there. As evidenced by their b2b the following years, and Magic/B Scott blowing hammies preventing a 3peat in '89.

[Thread]

What happened when they made it to the Finals? '86 Celtics pushed their shit in with the quickness.

LF all over the facts. The motherfuckers laid down before it even got started.

Just like anyone from the East will lay down before it gets started with the Spurs,,,and that includes partials on last June and the lion's share this June. It'll be a coronation for Pop, a hand down for being a swell sport last June. Instead of Pop humping their leg, they'll hump Pop's leg. Makes me want to vomit. I have half a mind to take to the Lazy Boy again as a form of civil protest.

[Wiz]

LF all over the facts. The motherfuckers laid down before it even got started.

Just like anyone from the East will lay down before it gets started with the Spurs,,,and that includes partials on last June and the lion's share this June. It'll be a coronation for Pop, a hand down for being a swell sport last June. Instead of Pop humping their leg, they'll hump Pop's leg. Makes me want to vomit. I have half a mind to take to the Lazy Boy again as a form of civil protest.
Boiled down:::
TOSB Kobe: 0
Shaq: 3
Pau: 2

[LkrFan]

LF all over the facts. The motherfuckers laid down before it even got started.

Just like anyone from the East will lay down before it gets started with the Spurs,,,and that includes partials on last June and the lion's share this June. It'll be a coronation for Pop, a hand down for being a swell sport last June. Instead of Pop humping their leg, they'll hump Pop's leg. Makes me want to vomit. I have half a mind to take to the Lazy Boy again as a form of civil protest.
:toast

[ambchang]

You took it literally though, my fault for not making it specific but the gist was "Old man Hakeem was still putting the moves on young Olajuwon" etc

I appreciate you for bringing the goods though. It's refreshing when you don't talk about Kobe tbh.


Funny thig is, people were saying I hated shaq back in the early 00's when he was massively overrated. Now we see that reversed where shaq is getting underrated.

Kobe will be rated correctly by the time the next laker superstar comes along, which may be why he is trying to undermine the lakers into getting one. Hey, guess what? Kobe's a genius, he really thought 2 steps ahead of everyone when it comes to the subject that is most dear to him- his own legacy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Eh, I don't know. I don't think Jabbar's accomplishments is celebrated enough, probably because of the fact he's always sour and bitter, so the media doesn't see his angle. But Jabbar IMO deserved as much recongition as Magic, Bird, MJ and even Russell who IMO is the ONE who is overrated so much, simply because he was one of the few players who broke barriers in his era.

Russell played mostly in an 8 team NBA where the competition was chock full of HoF big men like Chamberlain, Lucas, Thurmond, Bellamy and Reed

That he is an asshole misanthrope as well as a buffoon for buying that NoI bullshit is besides the point. His prime years were still a failure and he played with the two best PG in history at the bookends. He still was a cheapshotting coward that needed an enforcer when someone substantial stepped to him.

Overrated. Chamberlain is easily the most underrated of all time.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lkrfan dodging my points like Jabbar ducking Chamberlain coming at him with a righteous anger. Run to the stands lkrfan! RUN!

[FYM]

It took you an hour to look that shit up? -10 points. Russell won in an era that was worst than a team claiming a title they won during a 50-game seas:loln. They had, what, 8 teams, and no free agency? GTF:lol of here son. Your no better than FuzzyLabia. :lol

Like I was saying... I wish they played in the same era so that KAJ had the opportunity to bust Russell's balloon knot. It would be like Prime Shaq vs. The Red Rocket! or Tiago Splitter :lol

-50 son, your lakers played in the same era. Russel whipped your ass that's it that's all

[Venti Quattro]

the father of monkey ballin'

a great human being tbh

Yes, yes this much is true. Niggas like Blake Griffin and JaVale McGee should owe their existence in the NBA to Red Auerbach. We also realized how unstoppable we'd be in international competition because of the superior athletic ability of our black brothers and sisters.

[Leetonidas]

So you're telling me the Kwame for MVPau trade wasn't as bad as most Spur Fans says it was?

WTF? :lol Quit reaching bro

[FYM]

Yes, yes this much is true. Niggas like Blake Griffin and JaVale McGee should owe their existence in the NBA to Red Auerbach. We also realized how unstoppable we'd be in international competition because of the superior athletic ability of our black brothers and sisters.

Amen

[Venti Quattro]

Overrated. Chamberlain is easily the most underrated of all time.

:lmao So you call a player who only cared for stats about 85% of the time and disappeared during the most important parts of the game as the most underrated of all time?

If he didn't luck into two rings we might've as well made him Karl Malone's ancestor and father figure.

Kareem played through two-three eras in the NBA and had a veeeeeeeeeery accomplished career. Yeah he's overrated :lol :lol :lol

[Splits]

Wont get sucked in this but the guys you mentioned are not starters ... Kwame and Smush were
But dont let facts get in the way of your derailment of a fine thread ...

D-league scrapheap Danny Green and Euro scrub Tiago Splitter are both starters.

[Killakobe81]

for what?

This thread derailing but you and others have tried to bring it back, nice job.

[LkrFan]

WTF? :lol Quit reaching bro
:lol

[LkrFan]

:lmao So you call a player who only cared for stats about 85% of the time and disappeared during the most important parts of the game as the most underrated of all time?

If he didn't luck into two rings we might've as well made him Karl Malone's ancestor and father figure.

Kareem played through two-three eras in the NBA and had a veeeeeeeeeery accomplished career. Yeah he's overrated :lol :lol :lol
FuzzyLabia is probably a blonde chick. :lol

[Killakobe81]

D-league scrapheap Danny Green and Euro scrub Tiago Splitter are both starters.

Danny was a very good college player but I'll admit Pop saved him from the scrap heap ...
Tiago was the saviour coveted by Spur fan now he is a Euro scrub ... still better than Kawme and Smush ...plus let us not forget All-star Tony and Future HOF'er Manu ...Lotto pick KL

[Splits]

Danny was a very good college player but I'll admit Pop saved him from the scrap heap ...
Tiago was the saviour coveted by Spur fan now he is a Euro scrub ... still better than Kawme and Smush ...plus let us not forget All-star Tony and Future HOF'er Manu ...Lotto pick KL

Yeah but there's a big difference between making the POs and being 28 seconds from 5. The Kobe/Smush/Kwame team missed the POs entirely. If you want an apples-to-apples comparison, the Spurs with RJ/Blair/McDyess/Hill starting and playing meaningfull minutes were top 3 seeds

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

D-league scrapheap Danny Green and Euro scrub Tiago Splitter are both starters.

Euro scrub? He won the Euroleague MVP...

[Killakobe81]

Euro scrub? He won the Euroleague MVP...

LOL this ...

[CitizenDwayne]

Euro scrub? He won the Euroleague MVP...

:lol

[HI-FI]

Smush Parker
Chucky Atkins
Luke Walton
Brian Cook
Lamar Odom
Chris Mihm


Should I go on?
You and the Laker organization bought into the lie he could carry a team, now you're trying to throw everyone else under the bus (per the par) than Kirby. shit's kind of sad tbh. Fortunately Stern saved y'alls asses.

FuzzyLabia is probably a blonde chick. :lol
:lol
this made me laugh.

[Splits]

Euro scrub? He won the Euroleague MVP...:lmao Brain fart but what was the username of the Greek that would get so pissed when Splitter-Euroleague-MVP was lodged?

[LkrFan]

You and the Laker organization bought into the lie he could carry a team, now you're trying to throw everyone else under the bus (per the par) than Kirby. shit's kind of sad tbh. Fortunately Stern saved y'alls asses.

Shaq B.K. (Before Kobe) - 0
Shaq/Kobe - 3
Shaq A.K. (After Kobe) - 1
Kobe B.S. (Before Shaq) - N/A
Shaq/Kobe - 3
Kobe A.S. (After Shaq) - 2

Notice any differences ^ ? Give Kobe competent supporting cast (Shaq, Pau), and he'll bring home the hardwarePERIOD. :toast




:lol
this made me laugh.
:lol

[HI-FI]

Shaq B.K. (Before Kobe) - 0
Shaq/Kobe - 3
Shaq A.K. (After Kobe) - 1
Kobe B.S. (Before Shaq) - N/A
Shaq/Kobe - 3
Kobe A.S. (After Shaq) - 2

Notice any differences ^ ? Give Kobe competent supporting cast (Shaq, Pau), and he'll bring home the hardwarePERIOD. :toast



:lol
gdamn you're so fucking stupid, i think those radioactive isotopes have made their way into your enchiladas.:lol

Kobe had a ridiculous cast this last year and didn't do jack shit, same in 04 when he shot them out of a title. It should be name on the front, smdh.

also props to ambchang, he's still the master at pissing off Kobestans.

[Legacy]

FuzzyLabia is probably a blonde chick. :lol

:lol

[LkrFan]

gdamn you're so fucking stupid, i think those radioactive isotopes have made their way into your enchiladas.

Kobe had a ridiculous cast this last year and didn't do jack shit, same in 04 when he shot them out of a title. It should be name on the front, smdh.It's always name on the front first with me. I'm LkrFan, afterall son. Anywho:

2004 Debacle: Mailman missed 40 games. Medvedenko and a hobbled Mailman vs. the Wallace Br:lolthers = Finals loss - not to mention Kobe ducking rape charges, and trying to show up Tay Prince instead of going through 415lb Shaq.

2013 Debacle: Pau missed 33 games. Nash missed 32 games. Blake (backup PG) missed 37 games. "Dribbles" (aka Darius Morris) started 17 games. Then Kobe blew his Achilles = 1st round TKO by the hands of your boys.

Not making excuses, just stating facts. My boys were not 100% healthy and we were dealing with some bullshit as well. Only this time they didn't have enough talent/chemistry to overcome. Shit happens son.

[HI-FI]

It's always name on the front first with me. I'm LkrFan, afterall son. Anywho:

2004 Debacle: Mailman missed 40 games. Medvedenko and a hobbled Mailman vs. the Wallace Br:lolthers = Finals loss - not to mention Kobe ducking rape charges, and trying to show up Tay Prince instead of going through 415lb Shaq.

2013 Debacle: Pau missed 33 games. Nash missed 32 games. Blake (backup PG) missed 37 games. "Dribbles" (aka Darius Morris) started 17 games. Then Kobe blew his Achilles = 1st round TKO by the hands of your boys.

Not making excuses, just stating facts. My boys were not 100% healthy and we were dealing with some bullshit as well. Only this time they didn't have enough talent/chemistry to overcome. Shit happens son.
Boiled down: It's never Kobe's fault.

[Thread]

^How much longer does your cycle last, honey, because I'm about sick of it. You've been on the rag a fortnight. Give it a rest.

[spurraider21]

Not making excuses
:lol lists several excuses
:lol "not making excuses"

[Clipper Nation]

It's always name on the front first with me.
:lol Unless Kirby's involved, then it's the name on the back of the jersey (or the number on the back of his prison jumpsuit, for that matter)....

[LkrFan]

Boiled down: It's never Kobe's fault.


"not to mention Kobe ducking rape charges, and trying to show up Tay Prince instead of going through 415lb Shaq."

¿Qué coño estás hablando combate hij:lol?

[LkrFan]

:lol Unless Kirby's involved, then it's the name on the back of the jersey (or the number on the back of his prison jumpsuit, for that matter)....

Nope. I criticize Kobe when it's warranted. But I defend him when he is getting trolled by uneducated farmers. :downspin:

[Clipper Nation]

Nope. I criticize Kobe when it's warranted. But I defend him when he is getting trolled by uneducated farmers. :downspin:
Translation: *slurp slurppp*

[spurraider21]

inb4 clippernation calls lebron the most underrated player of all time :lol

[LkrFan]

Translation: *slurp slurppp*

¿Qué pasó con ellos Clippers lamentable culo contra los Nuggets? Nuggets roscados ese cul:lol.

[HI-FI]

¿Qué coño estás hablando combate hij:lol?
fucking anchor babies. smdh.

[Clipper Nation]

¿Qué pasó con ellos Clippers lamentable culo contra los Nuggets? Nuggets roscados ese cul:lol.
Pero los Nuggets nunca pierden en Pepsi Center contra equipos en la segunda noche del back-to-back, y Joey Crawford fue el ref :lol

[LkrFan]

Pero los Nuggets nunca pierden en Pepsi Center contra equipos en la segunda noche del back-to-back, y Joey Crawford fue el ref :lol
-10 points for :downspin: shit. No excuses s:loln

[LkrFan]

fucking anchor babies. smdh.
:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

-10 points for :downspin: shit. No excuses s:loln
No excuses with you except for Kirby.... :cry but but he had a boo-boo on his finger, and prime Odom and Butler weren't enough help! :cry

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao So you call a player who only cared for stats about 85% of the time and disappeared during the most important parts of the game as the most underrated of all time?

If he didn't luck into two rings we might've as well made him Karl Malone's ancestor and father figure.

Kareem played through two-three eras in the NBA and had a veeeeeeeeeery accomplished career. Yeah he's overrated :lol :lol :lol

The only reason why Chamberlain didn't win more rings was because of the greatest team of all time. He took those great Celtic teams to 7 games several times but could not overcome Russell, Cousey, Havlicek and the Jones brothers all by himself. They brought in Greer and they won a championship. Luck my ass.

Only cared about stats? That is horse shit. He made the playoffs every year which is more than Jabbar can say. This is not a guy on a bad team just generating stats. He carried those Warrior and 76er teams to wins.

[spurraider21]

how many teams made the playoffs in an 8 team NBA :lol

[Boomersgold]

The only reason why Chamberlain didn't win more rings was because of the greatest team of all time. He took those great Celtic teams to 7 games several times but could not overcome Russell, Cousey, Havlicek and the Jones brothers all by himself. They brought in Greer and they won a championship. Luck my ass.

Only cared about stats? That is horse shit. He made the playoffs every year which is more than Jabbar can say. This is not a guy on a bad team just generating stats. He carried those Warrior and 76er teams to wins.

If Kareem played in the 60s, he would've won 8+ rings. Could you imagine Russell (or any of the other 6'10" white centers playing in that era) attempting to block the Sky Hook? It wouldn't have happened.

[LkrFan]

how many teams made the playoffs in an 8 team NBA :lol
FuzzyLabia is one funny broad. :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

how many teams made the playoffs in an 8 team NBA :lol

4 of 8 versus 16 of 30. Which is more exclusive relative to the whole?

At least that is an argument. Lkrfan has raised the white flag and thinks calling someone else a woman is insulting. What a tool. Welcome to the 21st century.