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Nbadan
03-19-2014, 02:16 AM
Seems more plausible than comets, aliens, and even a hijacking....


There has been a lot of speculation about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Terrorism, hijacking, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN; it’s almost disturbing. I tend to look for a simpler explanation, and I find it with the 13,000-foot runway at Pulau Langkawi.

We know the story of MH370: A loaded Boeing 777 departs at midnight from Kuala Lampur, headed to Beijing. A hot night. A heavy aircraft. About an hour out, across the gulf toward Vietnam, the plane goes dark, meaning the transponder and secondary radar tracking go off. Two days later we hear reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar, meaning the plane is tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca.


The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They’re always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don’t want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.

Take a look at this airport on Google Earth. The pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make an immediate turn to the closest, safest airport.
The loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire.

When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and searched for airports in proximity to the track toward the southwest.

For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.

There are two types of fires. An electrical fire might not be as fast and furious, and there may or may not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires. Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. Once going, a tire fire would produce horrific, incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks, but this is a no-no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter, but this will last only a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one in my flight bag, and I still carry one in my briefcase when I fly.)

What I think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on George (autopilot), until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. You will find it along that route–looking elsewhere is pointless.


http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

Jacob1983
03-19-2014, 03:16 AM
Previously on Lost

MultiTroll
03-19-2014, 10:44 AM
If fire, why no message to headquarters?

Nbadan
03-19-2014, 11:05 PM
If fire, why no message to headquarters?

Did you read the article? Pilots sets autopilot for nearest airport that could handle plane...cockpit gets over-come by smoke and knocks out all communications....plane runs out of fuel over Indian Ocean...

Nbadan
03-19-2014, 11:12 PM
It sounds like someone (ie the CIA) has informed Australia their satellite found debris from the plane at x coordinates. (Australia PM said they had "received" the data.)

And from a source Australia accepted as so reliable the PM rushes to Parliament to make an announcement before Australian planes had a chance to check the information.

Our version of phoning in an anonymous tip. Not anonymous, but it sounds better coming from Australia....

MultiTroll
03-19-2014, 11:20 PM
Did you read the article? Pilots sets autopilot for nearest airport that could handle plane...cockpit gets over-come by smoke and knocks out all communications....plane runs out of fuel over Indian Ocean...
Just not as interesting as a Lost type episode.
But i see what you meant by the article now. Previously i just skimmed it.
BTW do cell phones work at that altitude?

pgardn
03-19-2014, 11:24 PM
Goodfellow’s account is emotionally compelling, and it is based on some of the most important facts that have been established so far. And it is simple—to a fault. Take other major findings of the investigation into account, and Goodfellow’s theory falls apart. For one thing, while it’s true that MH370 did turn toward Langkawi and wound up overflying it, whoever was at the controls continued to maneuver after that point as well, turning sharply right at VAMPI waypoint, then left again at GIVAL. Such vigorous navigating would have been impossible for unconscious men.


Goodfellow’s theory fails further when one remembers the electronic ping detected by the Inmarsat satellite at 8:11 on the morning of March 8. According to analysis provided by the Malaysian and United States governments, the pings narrowed the location of MH370 at that moment to one of two arcs, one in Central Asia and the other in the southern Indian Ocean. As MH370 flew from its original course toward Langkawi, it was headed toward neither. Without human intervention—which would go against Goodfellow’s theory—it simply could not have reached the position we know it attained at 8:11 a.m.

So Others beg to differ.

At first I was frightened Chemtrails were involved. Was sure mouse would find a way.

Nbadan
03-19-2014, 11:25 PM
BTW do cell phones work at that altitude?

Only if they have transponders or if you believe in the 911 commission report apparently...

:lol

Nbadan
03-19-2014, 11:59 PM
BREAKING: Australian PM: Australia Checking 2 Objects in Search for Plane
Last edited Thu Mar 20, 2014, 12:45 AM - Edit history (1)
Source: Associated Press

@AP: BREAKING: Australian PM: 2 objects in search for Malaysian jet may have been found.

@BreakingNews: More: Prime minister says Royal Australian Airforce Orion aircraft diverted to investigate objects - @smh http://t.co/E10hk5liHK

AUSTRALIA CHECKING 2 OBJECTS IN SEARCH FOR PLANE
By IAN MADER
— Mar. 19, 2014 11:16 PM EDT


KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Australia's prime minister says objects possibly related to the missing Malaysia Airlines flight have been spotted on satellite imagery.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott told Parliament in Canberra on Thursday that a Royal Australian Airforce Orion has been diverted to the area to attempt to locate the objects. The Orion is expected to arrive in the area Thursday afternoon. Three additional aircraft are expected to follow for a more intensive search.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/thai-radar-might-have-tracked-missing-plane

Nbadan
03-20-2014, 12:00 AM
Austrailian-located debris presser livestream:
Ongoing:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/20/14/13/objects-found-in-malaysia-airlines-search

Largest piece 24 meters (nearly 79 feet)...

Fabbs
03-20-2014, 12:16 AM
Goodfellow’s account is emotionally compelling, and it is based on some of the most important facts that have been established so far.
Such as the transponder being turned off by those who knew how.
Not randomly by a fire.

boutons_deux
03-20-2014, 02:18 PM
Billy Graham's Daughter Thinks She has Solved the Mystery of Flight 370

"I can’t help but wonder…Is this worldwide sense of shock and helplessness, of questions and confusion, of fear and grief, a glimpse of things to come?

Is this a small snapshot of what the entire world will experience the day after the rapture of the church?

Because the Bible is clear.

There is coming a moment in time when Jesus will come back to gather to Himself all those—dead and alive--who have put their trust in Him.

And on that day, the world will be asking, Where have all the people gone?

Not just 239 of us, but millions of us.

http://www.alternet.org/belief/billy-grahams-daughter-thinks-she-has-solved-mystery-flight-370?akid=11624.187590.aHFs7s&rd=1&src=newsletter972742&t=10

so-called Christians with a hard-core Biblical (Old Testament) worldview are fucked up, their brains saturated with Biblical fairy tales.

Nbadan
03-22-2014, 12:53 AM
Too soon?

http://i62.tinypic.com/116s29w.jpg

Winehole23
03-22-2014, 07:08 AM
Goodfellow’s account is emotionally compelling, and it is based on some of the most important facts that have been established so far. And it is simple—to a fault. Take other major findings of the investigation into account, and Goodfellow’s theory falls apart. For one thing, while it’s true that MH370 did turn toward Langkawi and wound up overflying it, whoever was at the controls continued to maneuver after that point as well, turning sharply right at VAMPI waypoint, then left again at GIVAL. Such vigorous navigating would have been impossible for unconscious men.


Goodfellow’s theory fails further when one remembers the electronic ping detected by the Inmarsat satellite at 8:11 on the morning of March 8. According to analysis provided by the Malaysian and United States governments, the pings narrowed the location of MH370 at that moment to one of two arcs, one in Central Asia and the other in the southern Indian Ocean. As MH370 flew from its original course toward Langkawi, it was headed toward neither. Without human intervention—which would go against Goodfellow’s theory—it simply could not have reached the position we know it attained at 8:11 a.m.http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_abou t_a_fire_and_langkawi.html

It's customary to provide links for quotes, pgardn.

pgardn
03-22-2014, 08:29 AM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_abou t_a_fire_and_langkawi.html

It's customary to provide links for quotes, pgardn.

So OTHERS beg to differ.

Wineman you came thru for me. I'm a lazy man.
I forced boots to look up and read about Golden Rice on his own.

Nbadan
03-25-2014, 12:13 AM
MALAYSIA: MISSING FLIGHT CRASHED IN INDIAN OCEAN

By ROB GRIFFITH and TODD PITMAN
— Mar. 24, 2014 10:29 AM EDT


KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak says a new analysis of satellite data indicates the missing Malaysia Airlines plane plunged into a remote corner of the Indian Ocean.

The news is a major breakthrough in the unprecedented two-week struggle to find out what happened to Flight 370, which disappeared shortly after takeoff from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 passengers and crew aboard on March 8.

Dressed in a black suit, Najib announced the news "with deep sadness and regret" in a brief news conference late Monday night.

He said Malaysia Airlines has informed the families of passengers of the plane's fate.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/chinese-plane-spots-object-indian-ocean

boutons_deux
03-27-2014, 09:12 AM
http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/large/public/matt_bors_0.png

Winehole23
04-03-2014, 01:28 PM
a complicated theory: http://www.westernjournalism.com/shock-claim-flight-370-diego-garcia-per-gps-data/

Winehole23
04-03-2014, 01:31 PM
more: http://intellihub.com/freelance-journalist-hijacked-flight-370-passenger-sent-photo-hidden-iphone-tracing-back-secret-u-s-military-base-diego-garcia/

SnakeBoy
04-03-2014, 01:57 PM
more: http://intellihub.com/freelance-journalist-hijacked-flight-370-passenger-sent-photo-hidden-iphone-tracing-back-secret-u-s-military-base-diego-garcia/

:lol

pgardn
04-03-2014, 02:10 PM
http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/large/public/matt_bors_0.png

As he sips coffee while watching a Starbucks commercial on CNN.

Winehole23
04-03-2014, 02:21 PM
:lolthe internets are funny

Nbadan
04-04-2014, 12:12 AM
the internets are funny

Man I hope that the dude with the phone up his ass post the number...