Splitter scores 10 or more, Spurs undefeated

[Rummpd]

Spurs 20-0 this year per the Kings announcer when Splitter scores 10 or more [radio coverage available from access from NBA.com, very complimentary of the Spurs] - tonight he has 11 so far, so expect a win.

[exstatic]

Sean calls the win when he hits 10 tonight. :lol

[Mel_13]

They're actually 27-0 this season when he scores at least 7 points in a game.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=splitti01&match=game&year_min=2014&year_max=2014&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_is_eds=Y&round_is_edf=Y&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs=Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wds=Y&round_is_wdf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_is_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

[SpursFan86]

I think we're also undefeated when Tim has 6 or more assists...he's already at 4 at halftime.

*knocks on wood*

[Kool Bob Love]

I don't do these stupid stats. Not after 6.

[exstatic]

I don't do these stupid stats. Not after 6.

Hipster.

[KaiRMD1]

The ol' sports are also undefeated when they score more than the other team

[exstatic]

The ol' sports are also undefeated when they score more than the other team

I've heard a rumor that EVERY team is undefeated when outscoring their opponent. I'll have to verify that, though.

[KaiRMD1]

I've heard a rumor that EVERY team is undefeated when outscoring their opponent. I'll have to verify that, though.

Please do because that is mind boggling

[HI-FI]

The ol' sports are also undefeated when they score more than the other team
reminds me of Will Ferrell as Dan Fouts. "Al, whoever can get the ball and score more points than the opponent, has the best chance of winning."

[Mikeanaro]

Because when Tiago scores 10 every good Spur scores 30 maybe 40 points.

[DrSteffo]

Tiago shitting all over the trolls here lately...trolls get mad. Funny.

[r0drig0lac]

^ this, the guy playing the best moment as a spurs, but we will create a thread to hate

[Spurs9]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/1f/1f6c26c6dd639ffddb8023a8b9ba4598afa6abbf69f9c2ad92 285fb729257e70.jpg

[wtgspurs]

The Spurs have never lost when Danny Green Makes Three or More 3's in a game :)

[PingPong]

The Spurs have never lost when Danny Green Makes Three or More 3's in a game :)

He did't hit three 3's yesterday, did he? Fail.

[Baam]

That kind of stat is dumb as hell, would we have won if we force fed Splitter in the Finals when he was the worst player on both teams... No.

Splitter getting in double digits means that the other teams isn't playing any sort of serious defense... So basically it means that the Spurs wins when they face sucky defense... DeMarcus Cousins doesn't play D, it's nothing new...

Guess the Spurs win 99% of the time when Bonner gets 20 mins or two 3s or something ridiculous like that...

[wtgspurs]

He did't hit three 3's yesterday, did he? Fail.

Did we lose? No! Fail! Whether he makes 1 or 2 we lose or win but whenever he makes 3 or more we win and have never lost. Even the commentator said that earlier this season.

[Gummi Clutch]

what a stupid fucking metric :lol

I hate these damn stats, the ignore context completely.

[Leetonidas]

Splitter da god

[superbigtime]

So what. Just because Splitter reaches 10 points doesn't mean i'm gettin all confident. He didn't even score in second half last night after an 11 point first half.

[heyheymymy]

it's just a good sign, but obvs you can bet on it that there will be a game where he puts 10 up and we still lose. splitters been looking real tough lately . doing a great job

[SpursFan86]

The stat lives to see another day...all hail Splitter:lol

[PingPong]

Best game from him as a starter?

[Kasen]

Tiago's highlights yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YECToRqlMqo

[moisaenz]

is splitter a little bulkier this season?

[Chinook]

There's nothing pointless about this stat. Splitter's so good defensively that if he scores in double figures, he's likely dominating his matchup. Since he usually takes on the opposing team's best big, him winning his matchup means the Spurs likely won the interior battle. They almost always win the perimeter battle, so if Splitter scores well, the Spurs usually have outclassed their opponents.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

I've heard a rumor that EVERY team is undefeated when outscoring their opponent. I'll have to verify that, though.

FAKE!

[Sybok]

Cause vs correlation is one of the most commonly used logical fallacies.

[Sybok]

There's nothing pointless about this stat. Splitter's so good defensively that if he scores in double figures, he's likely dominating his matchup. Since he usually takes on the opposing team's best big, him winning his matchup means the Spurs likely won the interior battle. They almost always win the perimeter battle, so if Splitter scores well, the Spurs usually have outclassed their opponents.

Actually it is pointless. Had Splitter simply missed the shots, or been sent to the line and missed more FTs, he'd not have double digit points. Spurs could still win. What's the Spurs' record if Splitter doesn't score 11 or more?

[Chinook]

Actually it is pointless. Had Splitter simply missed the shots, or been sent to the line and missed more FTs, he'd not have double digit points. Spurs could still win. What's the Spurs' record if Splitter doesn't score 11 or more?

31-16 is what they get if he scores nine or fewer. I have no idea about 11 or fewer.

Anyway, don't try to bring fallacies into this. The stat is a material conditional, not a biconditional. No one said the Spurs can't or don't win if Splitter fails to hit double figures. But the fact is that Splitter scoring well leading to a Spurs win makes tons of sense. It's not an accident. Can the Spurs win without Splitter going off? Obviously. But that doesn't mean that Tiago going off doesn't have a major effect on the team's performance.

[Chinook]

And in case anyone's wondering, a chi-square test returns a 0.2-percent chance of that stat being incidental.

[Sybok]

And in case anyone's wondering, a chi-square test returns a 0.2-percent chance of that stat being incidental.
What does it give for the acquisition of Austin Daye and the 13 and 1 record since?

[Baam]

Good, if we're trailing by 20 at the half of any game, just need to force feed T vag...

It's doesn't have to be incidental to mean very little except that he's facing weak D...

[Chinook]

What does it give for the acquisition of Austin Daye and the 13 and 1 record since?

Probably a pretty similar one, but that one clearly has more noise in it. Splitter's double-figure games have been scattered throughout the season under numerous permutations of other factors. Daye's membership on the roster correlates too much with other factors that also have a strong correlation with wins, while Daye's membership with the Raptors and previous teams clearly argues against that.

In short, bad counter. Splitter's had years to show that he's a difference-maker when he scores well. Daye has had years to show that it's not the case that him simply being on the bench helps teams win. While stats can be misleading, they aren't that obviously flawed.

[Chinook]

Good, if we're trailing by 20 at the half of any game, just need to force feed T vag...

It's doesn't have to be incidental to mean very little except that he's facing weak D...

You know, cause Bogut and O'Neal are weak defenders...

[Baam]

If anything what you learn from that game is that Tiago is a true center and the pairing with Duncan might be even worse next year...

[Baam]

You know, cause Bogut and O'Neal are weak defenders...

Well T-Vag is at the bottom of the scouting of the report so it's not like they go into the game focusing on him instead of helping...

[Chinook]

Well T-Vag is at the bottom of the scouting of the report so it's not like they go into the game focusing on him instead of helping...

...and you REALLY don't see how this is the Green debate reincarnated?

[Chinook]

If anything what you learn from that game is that Tiago is a true center and the pairing with Duncan might be even worse next year...

That's on Tim. Even if Splitter has to go to the bench, he still has shown that he's worth his money and will be worth even more when he gets to play the five fulltime.

[Baam]

That's on Tim. Even if Splitter has to go to the bench, he still has shown that he's worth his money and will be worth even more when he gets to play the five fulltime.

Yeah let's just throw Tim under the bus... Boris makes 4m and can pull his weight with both...

[Chinook]

Yeah let's just throw Tim under the bus... Boris makes 4m and can pull his weight with both...

Weight jokes aside, tonight's a poor time to rep Diaw.

And yes, it is Duncan's "fault" if he can't play with Splitter. Tiago is a center. He's been one his whole career. It's not his fault if Tim can't shoot from outside.

[Baam]

Boris was simply +14 while sucking... There's no poor time to rep Diaw tbh... There's no entire series where he gonna be turned into a cheerleader...

[Chinook]

Backing yourself into the plus-minus corner, eh? Sounds like a Bonner fan.

[Baam]

We're 2 for 2 when Bonner scores 11 or more... Talking about stupid stats... And Bonner is way closer to Splitter as a regular season god and a post season liability...

T vag has been a dead weight the team had to pull in the POs 3 years in a row now, hopefully this year is different...

[Chinook]

Yeah, since two-for-two and 22-for-22 have the same statistical weight...

Honestly, if Splitter-haters weren't being so biased, they'd understand there's no controversy in this thread. The Spurs win when their fifth option scores a bunch of points. The stat isn't all that interesting, but it's certainly not meaningless. I wouldn't be surprised to see similar stats with Perkins or Birdman.

[Chinook]

Never mind about Perk; he just sucks on offense. He only scored more than eight once. Thunder did win that game, though, so technically they are undefeated when their center scores in double figures as well.

[Arcadian]

That kind of stat is dumb as hell, would we have won if we force fed Splitter in the Finals when he was the worst player on both teams... No.

Splitter getting in double digits means that the other teams isn't playing any sort of serious defense... So basically it means that the Spurs wins when they face sucky defense... DeMarcus Cousins doesn't play D, it's nothing new...

Guess the Spurs win 99% of the time when Bonner gets 20 mins or two 3s or something ridiculous like that...

You make a good point. You're basically saying that this is correlation without causation, and the third variable is opponent defense. Splitter scoring 10+ tends to happen when the Spurs win, but that doesn't mean he caused them to win - it could be that the opponent's poor performance caused us to win, and Splitter scoring 10+ was an epiphenomenon of that. At most, we can say Splitter scoring mediated the process.

[biskvito]

I think the refs are giving him less BS too

[Kasen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1_1rWcR1GE&feature=youtu.be
Tiago's highlights vs Warriors

14 rebounds match his career high
13 defensive rebounds are his new career high
spurs are still unbeatable when Tiago scores 7+ points (29W 0L)
(22W 0L when scores 10+ points)

[lefty]

We are 0-1 when Tiago's dunks are rejected by a SF

[Rummpd]

The streak continues to I believe 24-0 ... Splitter is under-appreciated and if he plays enough to get 10 points Spurs have a good chance at winning [but agree not causative]

[therealtruth]

He's an efficient scorer. So when he gets 10+ points that's usually 5 easy baskets. Usually the team that gets easier baskets wins.

[hater]

damn he raped Bogut, one of my most hated current players :tu

[Hoops Czar]

Statistical anomaly. Only one of those games was against elite competition ( vs Clippers) and CP3 didn't even play. I went out on the limb calling the Clips elite because nobody here thinks they are.

[Chinook]

Statistical anomaly. Only one of those games was against elite competition ( vs Clippers) and CP3 didn't even play. I went out on the limb calling the Clips elite because nobody here thinks they are.

Seems like it's not anomalous, then.

[Hoops Czar]

Seems like it's not anomalous, then.

The stat is a statistical anomaly. The fact he's done it against teams not named Houston, Miami, Indiana or OKC isn't.

[hater]

:lol including Houston in the elite group :lol

[Chinook]

The stat is a statistical anomaly. The fact he's done it against teams not named Houston, Miami, Indiana or OKC isn't.

Nah. After 24 games, it's FAR too unlikely that it's an anomaly (less than .001). There's definitely a correlation between Splitter's output and the team's success. But it may be in the other direction. That is to say, it may be that when the Spurs dominate a team inside, Splitter scores in double figures. It would take a lot of math to parse the details, but it's very unlikely to be a mere anomaly.

[ABC]

Thanks to Kasen for posting the highlights and to whoever out there makes game highlights for players. Much appreciated.

It's crazy how many layups players miss when Splitter is near them, although I certainly won't make the logical fallacy of suggesting Splitter being near them is related in any way.

[Mel_13]

It's crazy how many layups players miss when Splitter is near them, although I certainly won't make the logical fallacy of suggesting Splitter being near them is related in any way.

:lol

[therealtruth]

:lol

I'm pretty sure they would have missed those layups anyway.

[Mel_13]

I'm pretty sure they would have missed those layups anyway.

As usual, not the real truth..

[therealtruth]

As usual, not the real truth..

I see your sarcasm detector isn't working too well.

[Mel_13]

I see your sarcasm detector isn't working too well.

Also not the real truth..