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03-28-2014, 11:04 PM

shit bag Duncan: 5

That's the boiler plate should the homosexual ring this June. I don't want any confusion in the melee should that happen. So I'll repeat for the peanut gallery:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 5

P.S., I'll prompt this Thread from time-to-time as I see fit.

Sincerely,

- Dale

Deuce Bigalow

03-28-2014, 11:05 PM

Let us proceed

Thread

03-28-2014, 11:06 PM

^...

Clipper Nation

03-28-2014, 11:08 PM

We've been over this a million times, Dale... James assigned the shitbag to Kirby as persuant to 6. 20.1 put Kirby in the shitbag.

Let us proceed....

Kool Bob Love

03-28-2014, 11:08 PM

Gummi Clutch

03-28-2014, 11:10 PM

Kobe : 2

Duncan : 3

Slice and dice it anyway you want, the chump himself said he was a fucking sidekick. A glorified Chris Bosh on those previous teams while Duncan would take the spurs to the promise land

You've been broken.

Thread

03-28-2014, 11:10 PM

This isn't even horse shit it's bull shit and you know it.

Well, when you invent something as choice as 5-4/tosb then you'll have the say. Until then I get the say. Christ, it's my fuckin' thing.

Deuce Bigalow

03-28-2014, 11:14 PM

Gummi Clutch

03-28-2014, 11:15 PM

You're no "MVP" with 20.6 ppg on .471%TS :lol

GTFO here with that shit
Duncan : 3

Kobe : 2

Sorry that greatest PF of all time was too great for a glorified sidekick :lmao

Katherine Robinson

03-28-2014, 11:15 PM

Dale, falling from grace yet again after the ticket

Christ

Kool Bob Love

03-28-2014, 11:17 PM

Well, when you invent something as choice as 5-4/tosb then you'll have the say. Until then I get the say. Christ, it's my fuckin' thing.

Bull shit. you know it.

benefactor

03-28-2014, 11:17 PM

I can taste your fear Dale.

He is coming.

Five is coming...and there is nothing you can do about it.

Gummi Clutch

03-28-2014, 11:18 PM

I can taste your fear Dale.

He is coming.

Five is coming...and there is nothing you can do about it.

On top of the fact that,

Duncan : 3

Kobe : 2

Demented parrot's head is going to explode :rollin

Deuce Bigalow

03-28-2014, 11:18 PM

Duncan : 3

Kobe : 2

Sorry that greatest PF of all time was too great for a glorified sidekick :lmao
:lol counting that pathetic performance as a FMVP

Gummi Clutch

03-28-2014, 11:19 PM

:lol counting that pathetic performance as a FMVP
Kobe's finals performances :rollin

Still doesn't change the fact that he was a sidekick for more of the time then he was the guy

Duncan : 3

Kobe : 2

Proves it.

midnightpulp

03-28-2014, 11:27 PM

:lol counting that pathetic performance as a FMVP

Averaging 14.1 boards a game in the Finals against one of the greatest defensive frontlines in history isn't pathetic.

Deuce, like always, only focusing on scoring cause that's all Kirby can do :lol

Gummi Clutch

03-28-2014, 11:28 PM

Averaging 14.1 boards a game in the Finals against one of the greatest defensive frontlines in history isn't pathetic.

Deuce, like always, only focusing on scoring cause that's all Kirby can do :lol
:tu

Thread

03-28-2014, 11:28 PM

Michael Jordan.

03-28-2014, 11:30 PM

Thread, running as fast as he can so he can't be wrong either way. He's on his worst behavior.

Gummi Clutch

03-28-2014, 11:30 PM

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 2 :cry :cry :cry

Duncan: 3

Deuce Bigalow

03-28-2014, 11:31 PM

Gummi Clutch

03-28-2014, 11:32 PM

You mean vs a team that can't score like Detroit?

FinalsManuVP

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 2 :cry :cry :cry

Duncan: 3

:tu

Kool Bob Love

03-28-2014, 11:32 PM

spurs with the w

suns with the w

Lolakers with the 48

Thread

03-28-2014, 11:33 PM

spurs with the w

suns with the w

Lolakers with the 48

GO--Lovey---GO!!!

midnightpulp

03-28-2014, 11:34 PM

:lol counting that pathetic performance as a FMVP

Oh, and let's see how Kobe did against those Pistons:

22 points and 2.8 boards on .381 shooting.

If Duncan's performance was "pathetic," there isn't a word to describe Kobe's shitshow.

He also let Rip Hamilton outplay him. :lmao

Clipper Nation

03-28-2014, 11:34 PM

GO--Lovey---GO!!!
Kobe Bryant has reportedly appeared in a gay sex tape, though the flimsy rumor from a gossip website has sparked anger among some Los Angeles Lakers fans.

The report alleges that the NBA All-Star appears in an explicit video with a man who plays basketball for Cal State Bernadino. There is also a video that reportedly shows the tryst, though details are far from specific.

The Kobe Bryant gay sex tape report originated from MediaTakeOut.com (http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/67146/mto-shock-video-exclusive-your-fave-player-on-the-los-angeles-lakers-gets-caught-up-in-gay-sextape-scandal-chile-they-got-him-on-tape-warning-very-graphic-content.html) a gossip site that reported “your fav player on the Los Angeles Lakers gets caught up in gay sex scandal… they got him on tape!”

Kool Bob Love

03-28-2014, 11:34 PM

:flag:

Gummi Clutch

03-28-2014, 11:35 PM

Oh, and let's see how Kobe did against those Pistons:

22 points and 2.8 boards on .381 shooting.

If Duncan's performance was "pathetic," there isn't a word to describe Kobe's shitshow.

He also let Rip Hamilton outplay him. :lmao

:tu

But Kirby has 2!!! :cry :cry :cry

:lmao :lmao :rollin :lmao :lmao

Thread

03-28-2014, 11:36 PM

CHARGE!!!

midnightpulp

03-28-2014, 11:41 PM

You mean vs a team that can't score like Detroit?

FinalsManuVP

I mean vs. a team that had the 2nd best rebounder (best offensive rebounder) in the league, and Duncan averaged 4 more than him.

Rebounds=rings.

Gummi Clutch

03-28-2014, 11:42 PM

I mean vs. a team that had the 2nd best rebounder (best offensive rebounder) in the league, and Duncan averaged 4 more than him.

Rebounds=rings.

:tu

But...Kirby has 2 :cry :cry :cry

:lmao

Thread

03-28-2014, 11:45 PM

It'll never end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gummi Clutch

03-28-2014, 11:45 PM

It'll never end :cry :cry :cry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thread

03-28-2014, 11:46 PM

It'll never end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deuce Bigalow

03-28-2014, 11:46 PM

Kool Bob Love

03-28-2014, 11:46 PM

:lmao

Sean Cagney

03-28-2014, 11:47 PM

We've been over this a million times, Dale... James assigned the shitbag to Kirby as persuant to 6. 20.1 put Kirby in the shitbag.

Let us proceed....
Dude is a repetitive old bastard isn't he? It is as if his mind gets stuck in a rut and he says the same shit over and over all the time.
I guess this helps his sleep at night.
Kobe didn't win FMVP that series you tard. Christ!

Probably because his team didn't come close to winning I am guessing? If there was a most worst player of the series he would be in the running for it tbh :lol:lol:lmao

Deuce Bigalow

03-28-2014, 11:47 PM

I mean vs. a team that had the 2nd best rebounder (best offensive rebounder) in the league, and Duncan averaged 4 more than him.

Rebounds=rings.
Duncan: 0 rebounding titles in the regular season and playoffs combined

Gummi Clutch

03-28-2014, 11:48 PM

Kobe didn't win FMVP that series you tard. Christ!

Don't flatter him , thats not what anybody was saying. Its even worse then, as a 2nd or 3rd banana couldn't even shoot over 40% :lmao :lmao

Thread

03-28-2014, 11:52 PM

CHARGE!!!

Michael Jordan.

03-28-2014, 11:53 PM

Deuce is a joy to watch.

Deuce Bigalow

03-28-2014, 11:54 PM

Deuce Bigalow

03-28-2014, 11:56 PM

Shoots .471 TS% and wins FMVP robbing Manu, spurfan uses it as proof Duncan's better than Kirby :lol

Christ!

Deuce Bigalow

03-28-2014, 11:58 PM

Dwight has double the 20/20 games as Duncan :lol Christ!

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 12:00 AM

CHARGE MY ANUS!!! ITS NOT ENOUGH :madrun :madrun :madrun

Kool Bob Love

03-29-2014, 12:01 AM

Dwight has double the 20/20 games as Duncan :lol Christ!

You talking all time or this season?

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 12:02 AM

You talking all time or this season?

:tu

Sorry all those truth bombs made my ass hurt, not to mention charging in to threads' :cry :cry :cry

:lmao

Thread

03-29-2014, 12:02 AM

CHARGE!!!

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 12:03 AM

CHARGE MY ANUS!!! :madrun :madrun :madrun

Thread

03-29-2014, 12:04 AM

GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kool Bob Love

03-29-2014, 12:04 AM

http://www.trbimg.com/img-517b795e/turbine/la-sp-dwight-howard-tim-duncan-20130426

Thread

03-29-2014, 12:05 AM

http://www.trbimg.com/img-517b795e/turbine/la-sp-dwight-howard-tim-duncan-20130426

6 was comin'.

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 12:05 AM

But 6 and Kirby: 2 :cry :cry :cry

Thread

03-29-2014, 12:06 AM

6 was comin'.

Kool Bob Love

03-29-2014, 12:06 AM

6 was comin'.

http://laniceto.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/duncan_slam_back_cover.jpg

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 12:07 AM

GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DIVE IN TO MY SALTED ANUS!!! :madrun :madrun :madrun

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:08 AM

You talking all time or this season?
Alltime

Dwert 43
Tim 22

Kool Bob Love

03-29-2014, 12:09 AM

Alltime

Dwert 43
Tim 22

Meh.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:10 AM

http://laniceto.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/duncan_slam_back_cover.jpg
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/8LTgStJw9ao/maxresdefault.jpg

Kool Bob Love

03-29-2014, 12:12 AM

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/8LTgStJw9ao/maxresdefault.jpg

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/643099/aagr024tim-duncan-2005-nba-championship-celebration-4-posters.jpg

LkrFan

03-29-2014, 12:13 AM

I can taste your fear Dale.

He is coming.

Five is coming...and there is nothing you can do about it.
Are you saying you guys will be up 6 with 28.2 seconds to go, only to have your cookie taken in 5?

:downspin:

Clipper Nation

03-29-2014, 12:14 AM

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/8LTgStJw9ao/maxresdefault.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bAwFONo.jpg

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:16 AM

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/643099/aagr024tim-duncan-2005-nba-championship-celebration-4-posters.jpg
Finals ManuVP

Game 7: 23/5/4 on 8-13 FG, 2-2 3P, 5-5 FT, a TS% of .757

Kool Bob Love

03-29-2014, 12:16 AM

Are you saying you guys will be up 6 with 28.2 seconds to go, only to have your cookie taken in 5?

:downspin:

48? How's that feel? I never felt that before.

Kool Bob Love

03-29-2014, 12:17 AM

Finals ManuVP

Game 7: 23/5/4 on 8-13 FG, 2-2 3P, 5-5 FT, a TS% of .757

I got the tape. And I'm not talking about the kobe tape.

http://youtu.be/BxIa4XrHh4Q

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:22 AM

I got the tape. And I'm not talking about the kobe tape.

http://youtu.be/BxIa4XrHh4Q
.471 TS%
.419 eFG%

Christ!

LkrFan

03-29-2014, 12:22 AM

48? How's that feel? I never felt that before.
It feels like one of the following will don the purple and gold armor for the next 10+ seasons:

Exum
Embiid
Parker
Randle
Smart
Wiggins
Ennis
Gordon

I'd take either of these young studs on a rookie contract. :)

Clipper Nation

03-29-2014, 12:23 AM

It feels like one of the following will don the purple and gold armor for the next 10+ seasons:

Exum
Embiid
Parker
Randle
Smart
Wiggins
Ennis
Gordon

I'd take either of these young studs on a rookie contract. :)
None of the above, Frederico.... that pick is getting traded for Rudy GayPERIOD :lol

Kool Bob Love

03-29-2014, 12:25 AM

It feels like one of the following will don the purple and gold armor for the next 10+ seasons:

Exum
Embiid
Parker
Randle
Smart
Wiggins
Ennis
Gordon

I'd take either of these young studs on a rookie contract. :)

The logo said this draft doesn't get him hard. He would know he drafted the rapist.

Thread

03-29-2014, 12:26 AM

The logo said this draft doesn't get him hard. He would know he drafted the rapist.

You've nary room. Your Neal raped as well.

LkrFan

03-29-2014, 12:26 AM

None of the above, Frederico.... that pick is getting traded for Rudy GayPERIOD :lol
You laugh, but there is a silly ass trade proposal on LG that makes me shake my damn head. Something like our pick Ina package deal for K Love. If Fredo does that shit...SMDH

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 12:27 AM

I've nary room. I'm homo as well. Like My Kerby: 2 :cry :cry :cry barrel fucked :cry :cry :cry

Kool Bob Love

03-29-2014, 12:27 AM

You've nary room. Your Neal raped as well.

He drafted the "matter of fact....I jerk off AFTER she left"....better?

Thread

03-29-2014, 12:27 AM

CHARGE!!!

313

03-29-2014, 12:27 AM

Finals ManuVP

Game 7: 23/5/4 on 8-13 FG, 2-2 3P, 5-5 FT, a TS% of .757

Timmy had 13 in the 3rd q to get us back in that game iirc

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 12:28 AM

CHARGE MY ANUS!!! :madrun :madrun :madrun

Clipper Nation

03-29-2014, 12:28 AM

You laugh, but there is a silly ass trade proposal on LG that makes me shake my damn head. Something like our pick Ina package deal for K Love. If Fredo does that shit...SMDH
Get ready for L0ve's statpadding and chucking in the purple and piss :lol

Thread

03-29-2014, 12:28 AM

GO!!!

HI-FI

03-29-2014, 12:28 AM

Are you saying you guys will be up 6 with 28.2 seconds to go, only to have your cookie taken in 5?

:downspin:
so if Spurs can somehow win it this year, you sticking around or going back to OregonLive?

LkrFan

03-29-2014, 12:33 AM

The logo said this draft doesn't get him hard. He would know he drafted the rapist.
Bob you're playing checkers again. These are good but not great players. They're pieces towards contention. The more pieces you put together, the more attractive your team is to FAs. Despite the $48.5M sticker price, the Lakers still have flexibility to rebuild their roster going forward. We'll be fine.

313

03-29-2014, 12:33 AM

Alltime

Dwert 43
Tim 22

dawhite might have more, but Timmy got it when it mattered. 24-20 in a close out finals game. Also had 10 assist and would have had 10 blocks, but they missed two. Has dawhite ever closed out a finals series? No.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:34 AM

Timmy had 13 in the 3rd q to get us back in that game iirc
Manu closed it out with 11 in the 4th

LkrFan

03-29-2014, 12:34 AM

Get ready for L0ve's statpadding and chucking in the purple and piss :lol
"I would do anything for Love, but I won't do that." :lol

LkrFan

03-29-2014, 12:38 AM

so if Spurs can somehow win it this year, you sticking around or going back to OregonLive?
:lol - I'll still be here. Didn't leave after _irk pimp slapped us in '11. Why would I leave if you guys win? Besides, Duncan getting #5 >>>>>>> LBJ getting #3 - at least in my eyes. I'd hate to see LBJ 3peat. Real talk.

313

03-29-2014, 12:38 AM

Manu closed it out with 11 in the 4ththere's no game to close out without Timmy.

And :lol @ using %TS to support your argument

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:43 AM

there's no game to close out without Timmy.

And :lol @ using %TS to support your argument
144 points on 129 shots :lol

Kool Bob Love

03-29-2014, 12:44 AM

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 12:52 AM

Duncan: 0 rebounding titles in the regular season and playoffs combined

:lmao Rebounding titles

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:58 AM

:lmao Rebounding titles
What's so funny?

Aztecfan03

03-29-2014, 12:58 AM

Christ!

Christ isn't going to help you win the argument.

N0 LyF3 ScRuB

03-29-2014, 01:01 AM

Manu should have won finals MVP, no doubt.. but Kobe didn't deserve his finals MVP's either.

Thread

03-29-2014, 01:02 AM

Manu should have won finals MVP, no doubt.. but Kobe didn't deserve his finals MVP's either.

Jesus Christ, you humps will talk about this MVP nonsense till I'm about to go out of my fucking mind.

SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Clipper Nation

03-29-2014, 01:04 AM

Jesus Christ, you humps will talk about this MVP nonsense till I'm about to go out of my fucking mind.

SHUT THE FUCK UP!

^ Duncan has 3 Finals MVP's (and deserved four), and Kirby stole only two from MVPau. & you can't take it.

tee, hee.

Thread

03-29-2014, 01:04 AM

^ Duncan has 3 Finals MVP's (and deserved four), and Kirby stole only two from MVPau. & you can't take it.

tee, hee.

Take 'em all. I don't do 'em.

It's my religion.

Clipper Nation

03-29-2014, 01:05 AM

Take 'em all. I don't do 'em.

It's my religion.

Nuh uh. Flip those numbers around, with Kirby: 3 FMVP's, Duncan: 2, and it'd be shaved pussy. As is, you "don't do 'em."

It's chickenshit.

Thread

03-29-2014, 01:06 AM

Nuh uh. Flip those numbers around, with Kirby: 3 FMVP's, Duncan: 2, and it'd be shaved pussy. As is, you "don't do 'em."

It's chickenshit.

Take 'em all. Go on.

Chop/chop.

Clipper Nation

03-29-2014, 01:08 AM

Take 'em all. Go on.

Chop/chop.
Nuh uh. You "don't do" anything that puts your Kirby at a disadvantage to Duncan. You pick & choose your spots.

It's chickenshit.

dallasmaverickslose

03-29-2014, 01:08 AM

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 01:09 AM

What's so funny?

Because it's a meaningless stat.

Every time Duncan matched up in the playoffs with a player who averaged about the same or more rebounds per game (from Marcus Camby [a one time holder of the playoff rebounding "title") to Ben Wallace to Shaq to Rasheed, the list goes on) he out rebounded them head-to-head. The only exception is KG, who averaged a whopping 1/10th more of a rebound.

This is an ongoing problem with you. You're only intelligent enough to consider stats in a vacuum. You still don't understand pace or any other contributing factors that can affect per game stats.

Thread

03-29-2014, 01:09 AM

Nuh uh. You "don't do" anything that puts your Kirby at a disadvantage to Duncan. You pick & choose your spots.

It's chickenshit.

Fine. I don't do door stops & paper weights. Nope.

Take 'em.

Clipper Nation

03-29-2014, 01:11 AM

Fine. I don't do door stops & paper weights. Nope.

Take 'em.
The Count is a doorstop & paper weight when alpha rings vs. role player rings isn't figured in, but you still cite it because it favors your Kirby.

It's chickenshit.

dallasmaverickslose

03-29-2014, 01:14 AM

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Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 01:16 AM

Manu should have won finals MVP, no doubt.. but Kobe didn't deserve his finals MVP's either.
I like to see why Kobe didn't deserve his. And you better use eFG% or TS% at least over FG% so you don't look like a tard.

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 01:16 AM

Nuh uh. You "don't do" anything that puts your Kirby at a disadvantage to Duncan. You pick & choose your spots.

It's chickenshit.

:tu

Duncan : 3

Kobe : 2

And it roasts Thread's ass to think about it. He knows that the true measure of individual success can never belong to a rapist.

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 01:16 AM

Fine. I don't do door stops & paper weights. Nope.

Take 'em.
Duncan : 3

Kobe : 2

/Thread.

N0 LyF3 ScRuB

03-29-2014, 01:17 AM

I like to see why Kobe didn't deserve his. And you better use eFG% or TS% at least over FG% so you don't look like a tard.

The fact still remains that Duncan won the finals MVP. And lets be honest.. he was the best player on our team that year.

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 01:17 AM

Fine. I don't do door stops & paper weights. Nope.

Take 'em.
Finals MVPs are paper weights now :lmao

Why do you think your Kirby wanted Shaq gone so bad? :lmao

You can dish it, but you are sure as hell can't take it.

Duncan : 3

Kobe : 2

/Thread.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 01:18 AM

Because it's a meaningless stat.

Every time Duncan matched up in the playoffs with a player who averaged about the same or more rebounds per game (from Marcus Camby [a one time holder of the playoff rebounding "title") to Ben Wallace to Shaq to Rasheed, the list goes on) he out rebounded them head-to-head. The only exception is KG, who averaged a whopping 1/10th more of a rebound.

This is an ongoing problem with you. You're only intelligent enough to consider stats in a vacuum. You still don't understand pace or any other contributing factors that can affect per game stats.
So leading the league in rebounding is meaningless? Christ!

Whatever. Couldn't do it in the playoffs either tbh.

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 01:18 AM

The fact still remains that Duncan won the finals MVP. And lets be honest.. he was the best player on our team that year.
:tu

Whats the greatest award to be had in the game? To be the a finals MVP. Thats what we use to measure Jordan as GOAT. The chickenshit is scared that Duncan > Kobe and is going to detract as much as possible.

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 01:19 AM

The Count is a doorstop & paper weight when alpha rings vs. role player rings isn't figured in, but you still cite it because it favors your Kirby.

It's chickenshit.

:tu
:lmao

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 01:20 AM

Finals MVPs are paper weights :madrun :madrun :madrun

Can't admit Duncan >> Kobe so the chickenshit has to change the rules of the game. :lmao

scanry

03-29-2014, 01:20 AM

:lol counting that pathetic performance as a FMVP

http://s0.uploads.im/3KQiR.jpg

God damn Piano shot a godly 38 % from the field. And Dude took 25 shots a game to hero ball his way to a Finals MVP (from Daddy). Sadly the Pistons had other ideas.

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 01:22 AM

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 01:27 AM

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2001_WCF.html

tbh

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 01:28 AM

So leading the league in rebounding is meaningless? Christ!

Whatever. Couldn't do it in the playoffs either tbh.

Yes. Because it doesn't prove anything.

Allen Iverson has 2 more scoring titles than Kirby. So?

A host of factors can go into affecting per game stats. Pace. System. Rotation. Minutes.

And citing "playoff per game" titles is probably one of the most retarded things you've ever done. A player could pad his stats on a bad team in the 1st round in a losing effort (like T-Mac in Orlando) and wind up with a "per game" title over a player who made a Finals run.

dallasmaverickslose

03-29-2014, 01:29 AM

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2001_WCF.html

tbh

did you know kirby is a quitter? a repeat offender.

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 01:31 AM

did you know kirby is a quitter? a repeat offender.
Doesn't matter what he is.

Duncan >>>> Kobe.

That nigga DoK was the first to predict it tbh...

sook

03-29-2014, 01:37 AM

Since when has the biggest honor in the game, of which Duncan sports 3 I may add...been analogous to a paper weight? :lol

When it doesn't suite your point, change the laws of nature and ..basketball for that matter. Works for some posters I guess. :lmao

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 01:38 AM

dallasmaverickslose

03-29-2014, 01:40 AM

:tu

The numbers don't lie.

Duncan: 3

Kobe : 2

of course, to thread, kirby's 2 finals mvps aren't paper weights. however, duncan's 3 finals mvps are.

intriguing.

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 01:43 AM

of course, to thread, kirby's 2 finals mvps aren't paper weights. however, duncan's 3 finals mvps are.

intriguing.

The sign of a broken and disgruntled man. Duncan >>> Kobe and he can't stomach it. Its a constipating shit that is churning all the way up his mouth and he can't decide whether or not to enjoy the taste.

MeloHype

03-29-2014, 01:47 AM

http://i.imgur.com/5ZfbTFf.jpg

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 01:50 AM

:tu

The numbers don't lie.

Duncan: 3

Kobe : 2

They don't. Duncan bests Kobe in nearly every playoff advanced category there is. From PER to Defensive Rating to even Deuce's precious TS%. He also bests Kobe in nearly every important traditional stat, aside from PPG (which he's only 3 points behind the "greatest scorer evar!") and assists. Duncan is even more clutch.

Sample from the 1st two rounds of the 2003-4 playoffs:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/ncavpw.jpg

And their respective clutch stats since 00':

http://oi59.tinypic.com/n4ze2x.jpg

This is why Kobe fans default to rings. They have no other argument.

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 01:54 AM

They don't. Duncan bests Kobe in nearly every playoff advanced category there is. From PER to Defensive Rating to even Deuce's precious TS%. He also bests Kobe in nearly every important traditional stat, aside from PPG (which he's only 3 points behind the "greatest scorer evar!") and assists. Duncan is even more clutch.

Sample from the 1st two rounds of the 2003-4 playoffs:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/ncavpw.jpg

And their respective clutch stats since 00':

http://oi59.tinypic.com/n4ze2x.jpg

This is why Kobe fans default to rings. They have no other argument.

I don't think it takes more than the eye test to come to that conclusion. If you want to compare legacies it boils down to:

Duncan : 3

Kobe : 2

Notice how when thats brought up, that chickenshit Thread is nowhere to be found and calls it a "paper weight" :rollin

MELTDOWN :lmao

POPownsJackson

03-29-2014, 01:57 AM

I don't think it takes more than the eye test to come to that conclusion. If you want to compare legacies it boils down to:

Duncan : 3

Kobe : 2

Notice how when thats brought up, that chickenshit Thread is nowhere to be found and calls it a "paper weight" :rollin

MELTDOWN :lmao
Threads is say paper weight = Final MVP ? :rollin :

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:07 AM

Kobe led the playoffs in 4th quarter scoring 4 times in '01, '02, '03, and '08. The 4th quarter stats of Kobe and Duncan in their h2h playoff series is rape and these tards think Duncan's more clutch :lol

Christ!

HI-FI

03-29-2014, 02:09 AM

:lol - I'll still be here. Didn't leave after _irk pimp slapped us in '11. Why would I leave if you guys win? Besides, Duncan getting #5 >>>>>>> LBJ getting #3 - at least in my eyes. I'd hate to see LBJ 3peat. Real talk.
:tu
props. I'm sure some shitheads will bail if Spurs can win that 5, but the good posters will stick around.

I never had a problem with Lebron winning a title, I wanted him to get one so people would shut up about it. But that second one was bullshit. Not that Lebron didn't deserve it, but it literally took Murphy's Law in 6 for it to happen, and I didn't like the way he acted afterwards. If Spurs can make it back, I don't think they go as easy this time or make the same mistakes.

LkrFan

03-29-2014, 02:10 AM

They don't. Duncan bests Kobe in nearly every playoff advanced category there is. From PER to Defensive Rating to even Deuce's precious TS%. He also bests Kobe in nearly every important traditional stat, aside from PPG (which he's only 3 points behind the "greatest scorer evar!") and assists. Duncan is even more clutch.

Sample from the 1st two rounds of the 2003-4 playoffs:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/ncavpw.jpg

And their respective clutch stats since 00':

http://oi59.tinypic.com/n4ze2x.jpg

This is why Kobe fans default to rings. They have no other argument.Duncan made Battier look like Mount Mutumbo in one of his clutch moments. Explain that shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit if you dare. :downspin:

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 02:10 AM

Kobe Bryant Admits Being Shaq's Sidekick During Lakers Championships

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/blogs/triple-threat/Lakers-Kobe-Bryant-Shaq-sidekick-video-191065851.html

It may have taken a full decade, but Kobe Bryant finally admitted he was Shaquille O’Neal’s sidekick during the Los Angeles Lakers’ three-peat from 2000-2003 (see video above).

When asked point blank if he was Shaq’s sidekick during the duo’s time together, Kobe responded, “Yea, for sure.

“The challenge for me was to show [Shaq] and show everybody else that I could win without him,” Bryant continued. “Point proven.”
:cry :cry :cry Having to prove himself

I wonder how many times 3Duncan had to do that compared to 2Kobe.

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 02:11 AM

:tu
props. I'm sure some shitheads will bail if Spurs can win that 5, but the good posters will stick around.

I never had a problem with Lebron winning a title, I wanted him to get one so people would shut up about it. But that second one was bullshit. Not that Lebron didn't deserve it, but it literally took Murphy's Law in 6 for it to happen, and I didn't like the way he acted afterwards. If Spurs can make it back, I don't think they go as easy this time or make the same mistakes.
Some niggas might bail but you and I will be right here, all awhile 3Duncan towers over 2Kobe

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 02:11 AM

Kobe's led the playoffs in 4th quarter scoring 4 times in '01, '02, '03, and '08. The 4th quarter stats of Kobe and Duncan in their h2h playoff series is rape.

These tards even think Duncan's more clutch :lol

.460 to .397.

Stats says he's is.

:lol 4th quarter point totals. How many shots did he take? How many were intentional FTs (where a lot of guards pad their 4th quarter stats)?

Argue against data all you want, but it's a failing effort, since the stats don't back you up.

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 02:13 AM

Duncan made Battier look like Mount Mutumbo in one of his clutch moments. Explain that shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit if you dare. :downspin:

And Kobe made Tayshaun Prince look like Scottie Pippen. Not just for a clutch moment, but for 5 straight games.

Spin that.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:16 AM

.460 to .397.

Stats says he's is.

:lol 4th quarter point totals. How many shots did he take? How many were intentional FTs (where a lot of guards pad their 4th quarter stats)?

Argue against data all you want, but it's a failing effort, since the stats don't back you up.
2001 Playoffs
Kobe: 8.0 ppg on 49/39/82

2002 Playoffs
Kobe: 8.1 ppg on 49/50/79

2003 Playoffs
Kobe: 9.6 ppg on 45/37/88

2008 Playoffs
Kobe: 9.2 ppg on 47/45/82

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 02:16 AM

And Kobe made Tayshaun Prince look like Scottie Pippen. Not just for a clutch moment, but for 5 straight games.

Spin that.
:lmao :lmao

LkrFan

03-29-2014, 02:16 AM

And Kobe made Tayshaun Prince look like Scottie Pippen. Not just for a clutch moment, but for 5 straight games.

Spin that.
Can't :cry

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 02:17 AM

Can't :cry
:tu

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:19 AM

Btw Dirk led in 2011

2011 Playoffs
Dirk: 9.9 ppg on 51/53/94

Bbbbut but Duncan has higher FG% in "clutch stats" :lol

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 02:23 AM

Btw Dirk led in 2011

2011 Playoffs
Dirk: 9.9 ppg on 51/53/94

Bbbbut but Duncan has higher FG% in "clutch stats" :lol
Duncan : 3

Kobe : 2

Dirk : 1

Not sure what the debate is Biggie.

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 02:25 AM

2001 Playoffs
Kobe: 8.0 ppg on 49/39/82

2002 Playoffs
Kobe: 8.1 ppg on 49/50/79

2003 Playoffs
Kobe: 9.6 ppg on 45/37/88

2008 Playoffs
Kobe: 9.2 ppg on 47/45/82

I was talking in his head-to-head with the Spurs.

Do you have Kobe's "clutch" stats (5 minutes left, neither team ahead or behind by 5). I don't care about overall 4th quarter stats since Kobe would often pad in a blowout.

spurraider21

03-29-2014, 02:26 AM

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:28 AM

I was talking in his head-to-head with the Spurs.

Do you have Kobe's "clutch" stats (5 minutes left, neither team ahead or behind by 5). I don't care about overall 4th quarter stats since Kobe would often pad in a blowout.
Don't have it but you can find it on nba.com stats

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 02:30 AM

Btw Dirk led in 2011

2011 Playoffs
Dirk: 9.9 ppg on 51/53/94

Bbbbut but Duncan has higher FG% in "clutch stats" :lol

If you're going to reduce an entire game down to the 4th quarter (as you often do), why can't we go further and examine what happens in the last half of a close game?

This is how misleading "4th quarter" stats are.

In the '01 Western Conference Finals, the Lakers had a 24 point lead with 9 min left in the 4th and Kobe stayed in for another 6 minutes, scoring 9 more points. Nothing "clutch" about that.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:31 AM

who has blocked the most shots in nba playoff history?
They didn't keep track of them until '74. Russell, Wilt, and Kareem would be ahead if they did. Plus that's based on playing a lot of games...

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 02:33 AM

If you're going to reduce an entire game down to the 4th quarter (as you often do), why can't we go further and examine what happens in the last half of a close game?

This is how misleading "4th quarter" stats are.

In the '01 Western Conference Finals, the Lakers had a 24 point lead with 9 min left in the 4th and Kobe stayed in for another 6 minutes, scoring 9 more points. Nothing "clutch" about that.
xhttp://i60.tinypic.com/2l96yj7.jpg

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:38 AM

xhttp://i60.tinypic.com/2l96yj7.jpg
Here's some stats I remember of the top of my head.

Game 4 2002 Conference semis vs Spurs
4th quarter:
Kobe - 12
Spurs - 10

Game 1 2008 Conference finals vs Spurs
Final 17:53 of game (From 3rd quarter 5:53 left):
Kobe - 23
Spurs - 20

#truthbombs

spurraider21

03-29-2014, 02:41 AM

They didn't keep track of them until '74. Russell, Wilt, and Kareem would be ahead if they did. Plus that's based on playing a lot of games...
thanks for not answering my question

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:44 AM

thanks for not answering my question
Question is not valid since 1947-1973 is part of playoff history.

Gummi Clutch

03-29-2014, 02:50 AM

spurraider21

03-29-2014, 02:51 AM

Question is not valid since 1947-1973 is part of playoff history.
thank you for continuing to not answer my question

HI-FI

03-29-2014, 02:58 AM

Some niggas might bail but you and I will be right here, all awhile 3Duncan towers over 2Kobe
:lol
true. if Spurs can win a fifth, it will be interesting to see who sticks around or how the site changes.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:59 AM

Way to cherry pick games.

I'll give you a cumulative result:

Kobe : 2

Duncan : 3
Boiled down:

Kobe: 5
Your homosexual Duncan: 4

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 03:00 AM

thank you for continuing to not answer my question
Your Duncan has the most playoff blocks since '74.

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 03:03 AM

Here's some stats I remember of the top of my head.

Game 4 2002 Conference semis vs Spurs
4th quarter:
Kobe - 12
Spurs - 10

Game 1 2008 Conference finals vs Spurs
Final 17:53 of game (From 3rd quarter 5:53 left):
Kobe - 23
Spurs - 20

#truthbombs

Deflecting with head-to-head performances.

So if we're going to examine the 4th quarter in a vacuum (which doesn't tell us anything, since all 4th quarters aren't created equal), why not go further and define what clutch actually is?

And every site seems to define it as the last 5 minutes of the game, neither team ahead or behind by more than 5.

And in that context, Duncan outperforms Kobe, as the stats show.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 03:05 AM

Everything is deflecting, cherrypicking, or doesn't count to you guys :lol

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 03:08 AM

But let us be clear on one thing and one thing only.

Kobe: 5
Duncan: 4

spurraider21

03-29-2014, 03:16 AM

Everything is deflecting, cherrypicking, or doesn't count to you guys :lol
maybe because the two biggest stats you seem to use are ppg and free throw %, which nobody is going to dispute anyway

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 03:21 AM

Everything is deflecting, cherrypicking, or doesn't count to you guys :lol

I could deflect too. Since Duncan has slaughtered the Lakers on more than one occasion.

I say if you're going to compare players head-to-head, compare their stats over the ENTIRE game.

Wing players typically score more in the 4th than bigs, because of intentional foul freethrows and coaches tend to run more iso plays for their closers. Earl Boykins led 4th quarter scoring in the playoffs one year. Looking at the stats, Starbury was consistently at the top :lmao

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 03:23 AM

maybe because the two biggest stats you seem to use are ppg and free throw %, which nobody is going to dispute anyway

He also likes 4th quarter scoring without any context.

He basically picks any stat that makes Kobe look good.

Thread

03-29-2014, 04:28 AM

But let us be clear on one thing and one thing only.

Kobe: 5
Duncan: 4

http://www.superiorpics.com/wallpaper/file/Rob_Schneider_in_Deuce_Bigalow:_European_Gigolo_Wa llpaper_2_1024.jpg

Jodelo

03-29-2014, 07:44 AM

Deuce is getting bitch slapped around here, as usual!

Thread

03-29-2014, 09:19 AM

Topside!

Clipper Nation

03-29-2014, 10:04 AM

Statfag becoming a new forum jizzrag with each new cherrypicked stat :lol

Thread

03-29-2014, 10:16 AM

Statfag becoming a new forum jizzrag with each new cherrypicked stat :lol

Boiled down:::Allen stopping on a dime & taking your life.

tee, hee.

UZER

03-29-2014, 12:04 PM

http://s0.uploads.im/3KQiR.jpg

God damn Piano shot a godly 38 % from the field. And Dude took 25 shots a game to hero ball his way to a Finals MVP (from Daddy). Sadly the Pistons had other ideas.

So Kobe shoots the Lakers outta a title because trying to win that paper weight MVP, then when his team needs him the most in game 7 against PHX he decides its time to get others involved trying to deflect blame.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:11 PM

http://www.superiorpics.com/wallpaper/file/Rob_Schneider_in_Deuce_Bigalow:_European_Gigolo_Wa llpaper_2_1024.jpg
:lol

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:14 PM

So Kobe shoots the Lakers outta a title because trying to win that paper weight MVP, then when his team needs him the most in game 7 against PHX he decides its time to get others involved trying to deflect blame.
Please tell me who should have been shooting Kobe's shots in that series besides Shaq who was the leading scorer?
Go ahead post Kobe's "stacked" 04 Finals teams stats.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:17 PM

Statfag becoming a new forum jizzrag with each new cherrypicked stat :lol
4th quarter playoff scoring leader = cherrypicked clutch stat

Wiz

03-29-2014, 12:33 PM

4th quarter playoff scoring leader = cherrypicked clutch stat23%

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:41 PM

23%
2 gamewinners vs the spurs in the playoffs in which he outscored the spurs by himself in the 4th quarter :lol
Christ!

Wiz

03-29-2014, 12:44 PM

2 gamewinners vs the spurs in the playoffs in which he outscored the spurs by himself in the 4th quarter :lol
Christ!
23%

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:44 PM

But that's cherrypicked because Tammy can't do that therefore it doesn't count! Christ! :lol

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:45 PM

23%
5>4

Wiz

03-29-2014, 12:47 PM

5>4Steve Kerr isn't better than Duncan

Kool Bob Love

03-29-2014, 12:49 PM

5>4

Fisher isn't better than Duncan.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:50 PM

Steve Kerr isn't better than Duncan
Is Kerr a scoring champ? All-nba first team? All-star? Finals mvp? League mvp?

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:52 PM

Was Fisher leading his team in scoring during playoff series en route to a title? Have the 3rd most playoff points all-time? A finals MVP?

Wiz

03-29-2014, 12:53 PM

Is Kerr a scoring champ? All-nba first team? All-star? Finals mvp? League mvp?you didn't mention that dumbass, all you said was 5>4

Kool Bob Love

03-29-2014, 12:54 PM

Was Fisher leading his team in scoring during playoff series en route to a title? Have the 3rd most playoff points all-time? A finals MVP?

you didn't mention that dumbass, all you said was 5>4

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:55 PM

Kobe: 2 scoring titles, 3 playoff scoring titles
Duncan:

Wiz

03-29-2014, 12:56 PM

Kobe: 2 scoring titles, 3 playoff scoring titles
Duncan:
What about most missed shots titles?

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 12:59 PM

What about most missed shots titles?
Deflecting :lol

Your Duncan in the regular season and playoffs combined:
0 scoring titles
0 rebounding titles
0 block titles
0 fg% titles

Wiz

03-29-2014, 01:03 PM

Deflecting :lol

Your Duncan in the regular season and playoffs combined:
0 scoring titles
0 rebounding titles
0 block titles
0 fg% titles
Those don't mean shit

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 01:09 PM

Deflecting :lol

Your Duncan in the regular season and playoffs combined:
0 scoring titles
0 rebounding titles
0 block titles
0 fg% titles

You're really cherry picking now.

Not that it means anything, but Duncan has 2 playoff block titles.

And 2 PER Playoff titles, which Kirby doesn't obviously have because he's a one dimensional player.

Arcadian

03-29-2014, 01:21 PM

:lol Laker fans lubing up their buttholes in preparation for the massive butthurt that's going to ensue this June

Clipper Nation

03-29-2014, 01:21 PM

4th quarter playoff scoring leader = cherrypicked clutch stat
It is, because not all 4th quarters are clutch.... if you're up big going into the 4th with the game on lock, 4th quarter points aren't "clutch" in that scenario....

:lol Statfag

baseline bum

03-29-2014, 01:31 PM

I like Kobe's two Missed the Playoffs titles.

sook

03-29-2014, 01:33 PM

looks to me like

Duncan : 3

Kobe : 2

I mean, Adam Morrison has a title under his name from being on the lakers. The finals MVP argument is better.

Clipper Nation

03-29-2014, 01:36 PM

I prefer alpha rings to FMVP's, and for that it's:::

Duncan: 4

the tired old shitbag Kirby: 0

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 01:41 PM

Rings+fmvps+mvps+allstar teams+all-nba teams+leading the league in ppg,rpg,apg,spg,bpg,fg%,ft% in regular season and playoffs

Kirby:5+2+1+16+15+5=44
Duncan:4+3+2+14+14+2=39

tbh

Clipper Nation

03-29-2014, 01:48 PM

Rings+fmvps+mvps+allstar teams+all-nba teams+leading the league in ppg,rpg,apg,spg,bpg,fg%,ft% in regular season and playoffs

Kirby:5+2+1+16+15+5=44
Duncan:4+3+2+14+14+2=39

tbh
http://i.imgur.com/0sQbNIX.jpg

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 01:51 PM

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2003-02-06-dupree-team_x.htm

Article was made in 2003 and I added modern players on to the list using their rating scale. Apparently they were way off adding their numbers in my opinion, but try it yourself.

MJ - 149 pts (I calculated 144)
Wilt - 124 pts (I calculated 117)
Russell - 118 pts (I calculated 115)
Kareem - 114 pts (I calculated 116)
Magic - 102 pts (I calculated 98)
Shaq - 89 pts
Mikan - 88 pts (Don't know how they calculated this)
Kobe - 88 pts
Cousy - 86 pts
Erving - 84 pts (I calculated 83)
Duncan - 79 pts
Bird - 75 pts (I calculated 77)
Havlicek - 72 pts (I calculated 68)
Barry - 70 pts (I calculated 75)
Oscar - 65 pts (I calculated 63)
Lebron - 62 pts
Moses - 57 pts

Their ranking scale:
Quote:
The top 10 players from each NBA/ABA decade (1950s, '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s, '00s), picked subjectively, were awarded points in 10 categories that were weighted to best reflect overall skill and accomplishments. The categories are also how to compare players across eras. The totals were added to pick the greatest player and the greatest All-Star teams. The categories include NBA and ABA awards.
Categories used:
NBA MVP awards won (five points each)
NBA championships won (five points each)
All-Star Games selected to play in (one point each)
All-NBA first-team selections (two points each)
All-defensive first team (one point each)
NBA Finals MVP awards (two points each)
All-Star MVP awards (one point each)
Individual statistical titles (two points each) — restricted to points, rebounds, assists, field goal percentage and free throw percentage, the stats the league has used the longest
Career averages (six points each) — if a player is the NBA career leader in scoring average, rebounds, assists, field goal percentage or free throw percentage
Career playoff averages (five points each) — for each category the player leads

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 01:57 PM

Sybok

03-29-2014, 01:59 PM

Duncan: 0 scoring titles in the regular season and playoffs combined
Duncan: 0 blocking titles in the regular season and playoffs combined
Duncan: 0 fg% titles in the regular season and playoffs combined

Dwight has all the above (except scoring, plus he has rebounding titles) and 3 DPOYs to Duncan's 0 :lol

Christ!

1998–99 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%9399_NBA_season)[n] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-115)
Allen Iverson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson)[o] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-117)
G
Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%9399_Philadelphia_76ers_season)
48
435
58
356
1,284
26.8
[103] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-118)[104] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-iverson-119)

1999–00 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999%E2%80%932000_NBA_season)
Shaquille O'Neal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaquille_O%27Neal) (2)
C
Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999%E2%80%932000_Los_Angeles_Lakers_season)
79
956
0
432
2,344
29.7
[96] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-oneal-108)[105] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-120)

2000–01 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_NBA_season)
Allen Iverson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson) (2)[p] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-122)
G
Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_Philadelphia_76ers_season)
71
762
98
585
2,207
31.1
[104] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-iverson-119)[107] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-123)

2001–02 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_NBA_season)
Allen Iverson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson) (3)[q] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-125)
G
Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_Philadelphia_76ers_season)
60
665
78
475
1,883
31.4
[104] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-iverson-119)[109] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-126)

2002–03 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_NBA_season)
Tracy McGrady (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracy_McGrady)[r] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-128)
G/F
Orlando Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_Orlando_Magic_season)
75
829
173
576
2,407
32.1
[111] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-129)[112] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-mcgrady-130)

2003–04 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_NBA_season)
Tracy McGrady (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracy_McGrady) (2)[s] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-132)
G/F
Orlando Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_Orlando_Magic_season)
67
653
174
398
1,878
28.0
[112] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-mcgrady-130)

2004–05 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_NBA_season)
Allen Iverson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson) (4)
G
Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_Philadelphia_76ers_season)
75
771
104
656
2,302
30.7
[104] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-iverson-119)

2005–06 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season)
Kobe Bryant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant)^
G
Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_Los_Angeles_Lakers_season)
80
978
180
696
2,832
35.4
[114] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-bryant-133)

2006–07 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_NBA_season)
Kobe Bryant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant)^ (2)
G
Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_Los_Angeles_Lakers_season)
77
813
137
667
2,430
31.6
[114] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-bryant-133)

2007–08 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season)
LeBron James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeBron_James)^[t] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-135)
F
Cleveland Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Cleveland_Cavaliers_season)
75
794
113
549
2,250
30.0
[116] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-136)

2008–09 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season)
Dwyane Wade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwyane_Wade)^
G
Miami Heat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_Miami_Heat_season)
79
854
88
590
2,386
30.2
[117] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-137)

2009–10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_NBA_season)
Kevin Durant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Durant)^[u] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-139)
F
Oklahoma City Thunder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Oklahoma_City_Thunder_season)
82
794
128
756
2,472
30.1
[119] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-durant-140)

2010–11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season)
Kevin Durant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Durant)^ (2)
F
Oklahoma City Thunder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Oklahoma_City_Thunder_season)
78
711
145
594
2,161
27.7
[119] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-durant-140)

2011–12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_NBA_season)[v] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-142)
Kevin Durant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Durant)^ (3)[w] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-144)
F
Oklahoma City Thunder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Oklahoma_City_Thunder_season)
66
643
133
431
1,850
28.0
[119] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-durant-140)

2012–13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_NBA_season)
Carmelo Anthony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmelo_Anthony)^
F
New York Knicks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_New_York_Knicks_season)
67
669
157
425
1,920
28.7
[122] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-anthony-145)

Since Michael Jordan...

Kobe's 2 scoring titles came in years where he was either not in the playoffs or was defeated in the 1st round. Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, Carmelo, Durant... real champions there. Oh but you see Shaq won the scoring title and the championship in the same year. Why couldn't Kobe do that? It's because Shaq carried Kobe kicking and screaming across the threshold of matrimony before the consummation began.

Blocking titles - KAJ 4x. Mark Eaton 4x. Marcus Camby 4 times. Theo Ratliff 2x. Serge Ibaka 2x, Dwight Howard 2x.

Marcus Camby is equal to KAJ. Theo Ratliff is better than Shaq who never won one.

Stat fag showing his faggish stats and proving he's a moron.

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 02:00 PM

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:02 PM

I made my own rating scale:

Championship Ring = 5
Finals appearance = 1
Finals MVP = 4
League MVP = 5
2nd place MVP = 4
3rd place MVP = 3
4th place MVP = 2
5th place MVP = 1
All-NBA first team = 2
All-Defensive first team = 1
Season statistical title = 2
Playoff statistical title = 2
Career average leader = 6
Career playoff average leader = 6
Career total leader = 6
Career playoff total leader = 6

MJ-190
Wilt-159
Kareem-149
Russell-153
Magic-130
Cousy-111
Kobe-108
Shaq-104
Duncan-92
Bird-90
Mikan-87
West-82
Oscar-80
Lebron-73
Barry-72
Erving-71
Hakeem-63
Moses-62

Tbh

lol 2nd place MVP getting as many points as a Finals MVP...

All defensive team getting half the points of all NBA team.

Stat fag's methods are biased. You and Ken Ham should hook up. You can discuss how the banana proves God.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:05 PM

1998–99 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%9399_NBA_season)[n] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-115)
Allen Iverson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson)[o] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-117)
G
Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%9399_Philadelphia_76ers_season)
48
435
58
356
1,284
26.8
[103] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-118)[104] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-iverson-119)

1999–00 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999%E2%80%932000_NBA_season)
Shaquille O'Neal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaquille_O%27Neal) (2)
C
Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999%E2%80%932000_Los_Angeles_Lakers_season)
79
956
0
432
2,344
29.7
[96] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-oneal-108)[105] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-120)

2000–01 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_NBA_season)
Allen Iverson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson) (2)[p] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-122)
G
Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_Philadelphia_76ers_season)
71
762
98
585
2,207
31.1
[104] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-iverson-119)[107] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-123)

2001–02 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_NBA_season)
Allen Iverson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson) (3)[q] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-125)
G
Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_Philadelphia_76ers_season)
60
665
78
475
1,883
31.4
[104] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-iverson-119)[109] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-126)

2002–03 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_NBA_season)
Tracy McGrady (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracy_McGrady)[r] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-128)
G/F
Orlando Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_Orlando_Magic_season)
75
829
173
576
2,407
32.1
[111] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-129)[112] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-mcgrady-130)

2003–04 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_NBA_season)
Tracy McGrady (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracy_McGrady) (2)[s] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-132)
G/F
Orlando Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_Orlando_Magic_season)
67
653
174
398
1,878
28.0
[112] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-mcgrady-130)

2004–05 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_NBA_season)
Allen Iverson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson) (4)
G
Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_Philadelphia_76ers_season)
75
771
104
656
2,302
30.7
[104] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-iverson-119)

2005–06 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season)
Kobe Bryant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant)^
G
Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_Los_Angeles_Lakers_season)
80
978
180
696
2,832
35.4
[114] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-bryant-133)

2006–07 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_NBA_season)
Kobe Bryant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant)^ (2)
G
Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_Los_Angeles_Lakers_season)
77
813
137
667
2,430
31.6
[114] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-bryant-133)

2007–08 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season)
LeBron James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeBron_James)^[t] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-135)
F
Cleveland Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Cleveland_Cavaliers_season)
75
794
113
549
2,250
30.0
[116] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-136)

2008–09 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season)
Dwyane Wade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwyane_Wade)^
G
Miami Heat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_Miami_Heat_season)
79
854
88
590
2,386
30.2
[117] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-137)

2009–10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_NBA_season)
Kevin Durant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Durant)^[u] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-139)
F
Oklahoma City Thunder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Oklahoma_City_Thunder_season)
82
794
128
756
2,472
30.1
[119] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-durant-140)

2010–11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season)
Kevin Durant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Durant)^ (2)
F
Oklahoma City Thunder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Oklahoma_City_Thunder_season)
78
711
145
594
2,161
27.7
[119] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-durant-140)

2011–12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_NBA_season)[v] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-142)
Kevin Durant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Durant)^ (3)[w] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-144)
F
Oklahoma City Thunder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Oklahoma_City_Thunder_season)
66
643
133
431
1,850
28.0
[119] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-durant-140)

2012–13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_NBA_season)
Carmelo Anthony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmelo_Anthony)^
F
New York Knicks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_New_York_Knicks_season)
67
669
157
425
1,920
28.7
[122] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_season_sco ring_leaders#cite_note-anthony-145)

Since Michael Jordan...

Kobe's 2 scoring titles came in years where he was either not in the playoffs or was defeated in the 1st round. Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, Carmelo, Durant... real champions there. Oh but you see Shaq won the scoring title and the championship in the same year. Why couldn't Kobe do that? It's because Shaq carried Kobe kicking and screaming across the threshold of matrimony before the consummation began.

Blocking titles - KAJ 4x. Mark Eaton 4x. Marcus Camby 4 times. Theo Ratliff 2x. Serge Ibaka 2x, Dwight Howard 2x.

Marcus Camby is equal to KAJ. Theo Ratliff is better than Shaq who never won one.

Stat fag showing his faggish stats and proving he's a moron.
Wow you guys are such tards. You can spin this shit on anything.

MVPs...

Nash 2
Rose 1
AI 1

Kobe 1
Shaq 1
Hakeem 1
Barry 1
Baylor 0
West 0

Nash > all of them
Rose = to Shaq, Kobe, Hakeem, ect

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:08 PM

lol 2nd place MVP getting as many points as a Finals MVP...

All defensive team getting half the points of all NBA team.

Stat fag's methods are biased. You and Ken Ham should hook up. You can discuss how the banana proves God.
Give Finals MVP 10 points each and its Kobe 120, Duncan 110 :lol

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 02:09 PM

I made my own rating scale:

Championship Ring = 5
Finals appearance = 1
Finals MVP = 4
League MVP = 5
2nd place MVP = 4
3rd place MVP = 3
4th place MVP = 2
5th place MVP = 1
All-NBA first team = 2
All-Defensive first team = 1
Season statistical title = 2
Playoff statistical title = 2
Career average leader = 6
Career playoff average leader = 6
Career total leader = 6
Career playoff total leader = 6

MJ-190
Wilt-159
Kareem-149
Russell-153
Magic-130
Cousy-111
Kobe-108
Shaq-104
Duncan-92
Bird-90
Mikan-87
West-82
Oscar-80
Lebron-73
Barry-72
Erving-71
Hakeem-63
Moses-62

Tbh

More sensible. At least you got rid of all-star games/MVPs.

But if we want to be real here and compare individual players, get rid of rings and Finals appearances. Those are team accomplishments, end of the day. No way in hell is Bob Cousy better than Jerry West, but he crushes West in your rankings because of the rings.

I'd also rid all averages leaders. It punishes players in a slower era (Kobe included) and overrates Wilt, Russell, Cousy, etc.

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:12 PM

Give Finals MVP 10 points each and its Kobe 120, Duncan 110 :lol

Doesn't change the fact that you intentionally weighted the stats to put Kobe ahead. Who gives a fuck who was 5th in RS MVP voting? Where are Bill Russell's Finals MVPs? Don't you have to consider he would have won at least half of them, if not all of them during the Celtics run? Wouldn't that put Russell ahead of Jordan? Same with league MVP and the other bullshit voting awards. LOL at all star game points... Kobe and Yao Ming voted in even though they didn't play all season. Yeah popularity is a great indicator of greatness.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:16 PM

Doesn't change the fact that you intentionally weighted the stats to put Kobe ahead. Who gives a fuck who was 5th in RS MVP voting? Where are Bill Russell's Finals MVPs? Don't you have to consider he would have won at least half of them, if not all of them during the Celtics run? Wouldn't that put Russell ahead of Jordan? Same with league MVP and the other bullshit voting awards.
Actually no I didn't. I tried to make the best rating that includes important accolades and rated them close to the one in the article. Of course its cherrypicked and biased because it doesn't have Duncan ahead though :lol

whitemamba

03-29-2014, 02:19 PM

More sensible. At least you got rid of all-star games/MVPs.

But if we want to be real here and compare individual players, get rid of rings and Finals appearances. Those are team accomplishments, end of the day. No way in hell is Bob Cousy better than Jerry West, but he crushes West in your rankings because of the rings.

I'd also rid all averages leaders. It punishes players in a slower era (Kobe included) and overrates Wilt, Russell, Cousy, etc.

is making an all star team consistently not an accomplishment? Maybe its not that important but its still impressive tbh, fan voting or what not, you must be doing something right.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:21 PM

More sensible. At least you got rid of all-star games/MVPs.

But if we want to be real here and compare individual players, get rid of rings and Finals appearances. Those are team accomplishments, end of the day. No way in hell is Bob Cousy better than Jerry West, but he crushes West in your rankings because of the rings.

I'd also rid all averages leaders. It punishes players in a slower era (Kobe included) and overrates Wilt, Russell, Cousy, etc.
If you look at the top 10, besides Cousy, it has 9 players that most people have in the top 10 - mj,russ,kaj,magic,kobe,shaq,duncan,bird,wilt. So I think its a pretty good rating scale tbh.

Scoring titles, rebounding titles, assists titles, fg% titles, and ft% titles matter and are significant. Only a Duncan fan would think otherwise since Duncan did not have dominant stats.

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 02:22 PM

is making an all star team consistently not an accomplishment? Maybe its not that important but its still impressive tbh, fan voting or what not, you must be doing something right.

Kobe made the all star game this year and he played 6 games. He made it in 1998 averaging 15 points per game on .420 shooting. Yao made it in 2011. He played 5 games.

It's meaningless.

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:23 PM

Actually no I didn't. I tried to make the best rating that includes important accolades and rated them close to the one in the article. Of course its cherrypicked and biased because it doesn't have Duncan ahead though :lol

So 5th in voting is an important accolade? You're using popularity as a marker unless you think Kobe deserved to be on the all defensive teams when he doesn't play a lick of defense. You don't count regular season wins but you count regular season 5th place voting results. :lol

Where's the penalty for missing the playoffs twice?

whitemamba

03-29-2014, 02:23 PM

Kobe made the all star game this year and he played 6 games. He made it in 1998 averaging 15 points per game on .420 shooting. Yao made it in 2011. He played 5 games.

It's meaningless.

What about the years players make it because they are good?

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:24 PM

What about the years players make it because they are good?

If the stat can have meaningless instances, it's a meaningless stat. Untrustworthy stats are useless.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:25 PM

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:25 PM

is making an all star team consistently not an accomplishment? Maybe its not that important but its still impressive tbh, fan voting or what not, you must be doing something right.

It's not an accomplishment. It's fan voting. It's a popularity contest. You cannot earn it, therefore it's not an accomplishment. You can be voted in without setting foot on the floor.

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:26 PM

- championships and finals appearances

Its Kobe: 76, Duncan: 67

But of course you kept the averages leaders... cherry picker.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:27 PM

So 5th in voting is an important accolade? You're using popularity as a marker unless you think Kobe deserved to be on the all defensive teams when he doesn't play a lick of defense. You don't count regular season wins but you count regular season 5th place voting results. :lol

Where's the penalty for missing the playoffs twice?
Don't you think finishing top 5 in mvp voting means you had a pretty good year? Might as well not use MVPs at all then if the votes don't matter at all.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:28 PM

But of course you kept the averages leaders... cherry picker.
Christ! :lol

Leading the league in scoring is "cherrypicking" :lol

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:32 PM

Christ! :lol

Leading the league in scoring is "cherrypicking" :lol

Absolutely, especially since it was during the Lakers worst years in the past decade, this one notwithstanding. So "led your team to a championship" means something. Stat whores during sucky seasons don't mean anything, otherwise Kevin Love is the 2nd coming of Jesus.

The mark of a great player is one who does what's needed to get to a championship. Kobe just volume shot for 2 years. That's not an indication of greatness. Had he spread the ball around and tried to elevate his team's overall play, everyone here would consider him in a better light.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:36 PM

Absolutely, especially since it was during the Lakers worst years in the past decade, this one notwithstanding.
WTF?

So take away rings and finals since their team accomplishments, but his scoring titles don't count either since his TEAM HAD ITS WORST YEARS IN THE PAST DECADE

:lol

These guys I swear...

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:36 PM

Don't you think finishing top 5 in mvp voting means you had a pretty good year? Might as well not use MVPs at all then if the votes don't matter at all.

Winning an Finals MVP means you had a much better year. How is 2nd in MVP voting as good as that? How is a scoring title better?

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:38 PM

WTF?

So take away rings and finals since their team accomplishments, but his scoring titles don't count either since his TEAM HAD ITS WORST YEARS IN THE PAST DECADE

:lol

These guys I swear...

So you'd consider Kevin Love one of the greatest players of the past however many years because of his regular season stats even though his team is a perpetual lottery team?

You cannot take away titles. I'd be more inclined to take away the Finals MVP than the title. There are very few players who make the all time list who don't have titles under their belts. It's almost a prerequisite.

You have to take into account the full body of work and take the stats in context of that body of work. You don't just input numbers and get player ratings that mean anything. That's why you have to see guys play instead of just crunching box scores.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:38 PM

Winning an Finals MVP means you had a much better year. How is 2nd in MVP voting as good as that? How is a scoring title better?
Doesn't your team not only need to be REALLY GOOD but win the fucking championship for a player to win FMVP?

:lol

spurraider21

03-29-2014, 02:40 PM

Doesn't your team not only need to be REALLY GOOD but win the fucking championship for a player to win FMVP?

:lol
you usually have to be a great team to get MVP voting as well... finals mvp means you came up on the big stage... runner up for MVP means you weren't considered to be the best player by media

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:41 PM

So you'd consider Kevin Love one of the greatest players of the past however many years because of his regular season stats even though his team is a perpetual lottery team?
He's one of the best players this year yeah. His team is garbage but that doesn't mean he is too.

Are you not a Magic fan? Remember T-Mac? Was he statpadding loser and not a great player? You tell me.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:43 PM

you usually have to be a great team to get MVP voting as well... finals mvp means you came up on the big stage... runner up for MVP means you weren't considered to be the best player by media
No no no no no :lol

Media doesn't vote MVP for the best player dude.

spurraider21

03-29-2014, 02:44 PM

No no no no no :lol

Media doesn't vote MVP for the best player dude.
they typically vote for whichever player had the best season among the elite teams

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:44 PM

He's one of the best players this year yeah. His team is garbage but that doesn't mean he is too.

Are you not a Magic fan? Remember T-Mac? Was he statpadding loser and not a great player? You tell me.

He was a stat padding loser. His team did better without him than with him. Kevin Love doesn't play any defense at all, and just gets position for the rebound. His antics probably cost his teams games. Getting a stop often isn't recorded as a stat, but it's as good as getting a score.

Honestly, you don't seem to know anything about the game itself. The numbers would tell the truth if you had all the numbers, but they aren't recorded.

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:45 PM

No no no no no :lol

Media doesn't vote MVP for the best player dude.

Really? How many does Lebron have again? How about Jordan?

The National Basketball Association Most Valuable Player (MVP) is an annual National Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_Association) (NBA) award given since the 1955–56 NBA season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955%E2%80%9356_NBA_season) to the best performing player of the season.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:46 PM

they typically vote for whichever player had the best season among the elite teams
Keywords: among elite teams

So if you're not on an elite team you have 0 chance of winning it. BUT you can still get in the top 5 voting on a mediocre team if you had a great season.

Blake

03-29-2014, 02:47 PM

I can taste your fear Dale.

He is coming.

Five is coming...and there is nothing you can do about it.

Six might be in the cards as well.

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:48 PM

Keywords: among elite teams

So if you're not on an elite team you have 0 chance of winning it. BUT you can still get in the top 5 voting on a mediocre team if you had a great season.

If you've been through a contract term already, and you're on a shitty team still, that's an indication of your motive (money). That's a big part of your quality, you'd prefer to make money over win rings. It doesn't matter what you could do, only what you do.

spurraider21

03-29-2014, 02:48 PM

Keywords: among elite teams

So if you're not on an elite team you have 0 chance of winning it. BUT you can still get in the top 5 voting on a mediocre team if you had a great season.
its very rare for the elite players to not be on elite teams. even lebron's shitty cavs were elite record wise. duncan in the pre-big 3, robinson TOSB days always had the spurs up there. look at the post-dwight magic.

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 02:50 PM

If you look at the top 10, besides Cousy, it has 9 players that most people have in the top 10 - mj,russ,kaj,magic,kobe,shaq,duncan,bird,wilt. So I think its a pretty good rating scale tbh.

Scoring titles, rebounding titles, assists titles, fg% titles, and ft% titles matter and are significant. Only a Duncan fan would think otherwise since Duncan did not have dominant stats.

Neither does Kobe. Even Dirk is a better playoff scorer than him. And Kobe's rebounding and assist averages are fairly unremarkable, par for his position.

Get rid of rings/Finals appearances. Cousy should not be that high.

And for someone who values playoff stats above all, why are you weighting regular season averages/playoff averages and totals the same?

For per game stats, do this:

30+ ppg - 5 points
25-29.9ppg - 4 points
20-24.9ppg - 3 points
18 -19.9 - 2 points
15 - 17.9 - 1

RPG (we'll rate rebounding a point lower, since it's a less important stat than PPG)

15+ - 4 points
12-14.9 - 3 points
10-11.9 - 2 points
7-9.9 - 1 point

APG

10+ - 4 points
7-9.9 - 3 points
4-6.9 - 2 points
3-3.9 - 1 point

BLK/STL per game

2.5+ - 3 points
2.0-2.4 - 2 points
1.0-1.9 - 1 point

TS%

.600+ - 4 points
.570-.599 - 3 points
.520-.549 - 2 points
.500-.519 - 1 point

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:51 PM

Really? How many does Lebron have again? How about Jordan?

The National Basketball Association Most Valuable Player (MVP) is an annual National Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_Association) (NBA) award given since the 1955–56 NBA season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955%E2%80%9356_NBA_season) to the best performing player of the season.
Since the media started voting for you basically need to at least be on a 50-win team.

Until the 1979–80 season, the MVP was originally selected by a vote of NBA players. However, since the 1980–81 season, the award is decided by a panel of sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada

Since the 1982–83 season, every player who has won the award has played for a team with at least a .610 winning percentage (equal to 50 regular-season wins in an 82-game season, except the lockout-shortened 50-game 1998–99 season when Karl Malone won and the lockout-shortened 66-game 2011–12 season when James won).[5]

Unless you think Nash was the best player in '05 and '06? AI in '01, ect

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:54 PM

its very rare for the elite players to not be on elite teams. even lebron's shitty cavs were elite record wise. duncan in the pre-big 3, robinson TOSB days always had the spurs up there. look at the post-dwight magic.
Oscar fucking Robertson, Wilt, Kareem, Rick Barry, KG, Kobe off the top of my head.

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:54 PM

Since the media started voting for you basically need to at least be on a 50-win team.

Until the 1979–80 season, the MVP was originally selected by a vote of NBA players. However, since the 1980–81 season, the award is decided by a panel of sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada

Since the 1982–83 season, every player who has won the award has played for a team with at least a .610 winning percentage (equal to 50 regular-season wins in an 82-game season, except the lockout-shortened 50-game 1998–99 season when Karl Malone won and the lockout-shortened 66-game 2011–12 season when James won).[5]

Unless you think Nash was the best player in '05 and '06? AI in '01, ect

You don't seem to have a problem with it the season Kobe won it. How about you get rid of all voted accolades.

Sybok

03-29-2014, 02:56 PM

Oscar fucking Robertson, Wilt, Kareem, Rick Barry, KG, Kobe off the top of my head.

The years KG was on a shitty team, what other elite players were on shitty teams? KG made the playoffs.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:57 PM

Neither does Kobe. Even Dirk is a better playoff scorer than him. And Kobe's rebounding and assist averages are fairly unremarkable, par for his position.

Get rid of rings/Finals appearances. Cousy should not be that high.

And for someone who values playoff stats above all, why are you weighting regular season averages/playoff averages and totals the same?

For per game stats, do this:

30+ ppg - 5 points
25-29.9ppg - 4 points
20-24.9ppg - 3 points
18 -19.9 - 2 points
15 - 17.9 - 1

RPG (we'll rate rebounding a point lower, since it's a less important stat than PPG)

15+ - 4 points
12-14.9 - 3 points
10-11.9 - 2 points
7-9.9 - 1 point

APG

10+ - 4 points
7-9.9 - 3 points
4-6.9 - 2 points
3-3.9 - 1 point

BLK/STL per game

2.5+ - 3 points
2.0-2.4 - 2 points
1.0-1.9 - 1 point

TS%

.600+ - 4 points
.570-.599 - 3 points
.520-.549 - 2 points
.500-.519 - 1 point
I can do it for Kobe, you do it for Duncan.

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 02:57 PM

Christ! :lol

Leading the league in scoring is "cherrypicking" :lol

It is. Allen Iverson led the league in scoring 4 times (inefficiently so).

Lebron's only done it once.

If we "award" points for scoring titles, AI gets an undeserved 4 times as many points than Lebron in that category.

It's arbitrary.

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 02:58 PM

You don't seem to have a problem with it the season Kobe won it. How about you get rid of all voted accolades.
How about we get rid of everything. Nothing counts dude :lol

Blake

03-29-2014, 02:58 PM

How good would it be to see:

Duncan: 6

Kobe: 5

Deuce Bigalow

03-29-2014, 03:05 PM

It is. Allen Iverson led the league in scoring 4 times (inefficiently so).

Lebron's only done it once.

If we "award" points for scoring titles, AI gets an undeserved 4 times as many points than Lebron in that category.

It's arbitrary.
Like I said, you can spin any one stat all you want. That's why you add everything up.

rings?
fmvps?
mvps?
all-nba first teams?

I'm sure Lebron has AI beat handily in those...

Nash has 2 MVPs but Baylor and West have 0 combined. See? Does that mean we throw MVPs out too? No because if you add everything up Nash will not be ahead of them.

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 03:07 PM

I can do it for Kobe, you do it for Duncan.

I just did Duncan's playoff averages and got a score of 11.

Anyhow, I'm thinking a 1 to 1 ratio might be better.

30 ppg = 30 points
29 ppg = 29 points

15 rpg = 15 points

etc

Subtract turnovers per game from the overall total (since TOs do indeed lose games, as we saw with Manu) and add in TS% accordingly.

spurraider21

03-29-2014, 03:17 PM

that point system is so arbitrary :lol 5 points for 30+ ppg, but 4 points for 29.9 ppg... thats ridiculous. it should be a graduated system, just have a multiplier for each stat...

the difference between averaging 30 and 35 is nothing, but scoring 29.9 is penalized

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 03:17 PM

Like I said, you can spin any one stat all you want. That's why you add everything up.

rings?
fmvps?
mvps?
all-nba first teams?

I'm sure Lebron has AI beat handily in those...

Nash has 2 MVPs but Baylor and West have 0 combined. See? Does that mean we throw MVPs out too? No because if you add everything up Nash will not be ahead of them.

But it might put Nash above someone he's doesn't deserve to be above. And truth be told, I'm not a fan of MVPs/Finals MVPs, either. This is where I use common sense. Cedric Maxwell might've won a Finals MVP at the expense of Bird, but there was no doubt that Bird was the primary reason the Celtics got to and won the Finals, therefore he's the actual MVP of that team. Same when Worthy won it (Magic was the MVP of the Lakers). Parker. Etc.

This is also the fatal flaw in counting rings/Finals appearances. It overrates players like Cousy, Havlicek, and even Russell while punishing West, Baylor, Oscar, etc.

midnightpulp

03-29-2014, 03:18 PM

spurraider21

03-29-2014, 03:19 PM

wrong. its 5-4 thus kobe is better obviously :rolleyes

spurraider21

03-29-2014, 03:24 PM

See my post above yours.
ah, i probably missed that while typing. still, its a shame there aren't sufficient metrics to grade defense

Clipper Nation

03-29-2014, 04:10 PM

:lol Statfag's schtick getting destroyed on other sites too:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330446

spurraider21

03-29-2014, 04:16 PM

:cry but only spurstalk things duncan > kobe

UZER

03-29-2014, 04:27 PM

Please tell me who should have been shooting Kobe's shots in that series besides Shaq who was the leading scorer?
Go ahead post Kobe's "stacked" 04 Finals teams stats.

So his teammates against PHX were better than the 04 squad? Thats why he deferred to them in the most important game if that season?

You cant justify one and excuse the other. But thats what you Kobe fans do.

313

03-29-2014, 04:40 PM

:lol Statfag's schtick getting destroyed on other sites too:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330446

EXACTLY. Because Bean has little impact on that end of the floor. Put Duncan on that team in place of Bean and they win at least 50, rank much higher than last in defense, and make the second round. AT LEAST.

Now put Bean on that '02-'03 Spurs team and they look an awful lot like the Lakers in '04-'05

'03-'04 Miami Heat
C- Brian Grant
PF- Lamar Odom
SF- Caron Butler
SG- Eddie Jones
PG- Dwyane Wade (rookie season)

42-40 record (#9 Defense), beat NO 4-3 in first round, lost 4-2 in second round to Pacers

'04-'05 LA Lakers
C- Chris Mihm
PF- Lamar Odom
SF- Caron Butler
SG- Kobe Bryant (first year not playing w/ Shaq)
PG- Chucky Atkins

34-48 record (30th/30 in defense), missed the playoffs

Like I said, without at least an all star level big man Bean is a poor man's Allen Iverson.

Duncan easily has the bigger impact and is the greater player. The only advantage Bean holds is playing sidekick to the MDE.

:lol

313

03-29-2014, 04:41 PM

Deuce Bigalow come spin this

313

03-29-2014, 04:42 PM

Rookie D whistle > prime kobrick

elmanutres

03-29-2014, 05:53 PM

It will be
Duncan: 5
3(or 4) fmvp
2 reg season mvp's

TOSB Kobe: 5
2 fmvp
1 reg season mvp

LkrFan

03-29-2014, 05:54 PM

wrong. its 5-4 thus kobe is better obviously
True True