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Winehole23
03-31-2014, 08:50 AM
the anachronism is one explanation why financial reform is unlikely in England


It's the dark heart of Britain, the place where democracy goes to die, immensely powerful, equally unaccountable. But I doubt that one in 10 British people has any idea of what the Corporation of the City of London is and how it works. This could be about to change. Alongside the Church of England, the Corporation is seeking to evict the protesters camped outside St Paul's cathedral (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/31/occupy-london-st-pauls-cathedral). The protesters, in turn, have demanded that it submit to national oversight and control.


What is this thing? Ostensibly it's the equivalent of a local council, responsible for a small area of London known as the Square Mile. But, as its website (http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation) boasts, "among local authorities the City of London is unique". You bet it is. There are 25 electoral wards in the Square Mile. In four of them, the 9,000 people who live within its boundaries are permitted to vote. In the remaining 21, the votes are controlled by corporations, mostly banks and other financial companies. The bigger the business, the bigger the vote: a company with 10 workers gets two votes, the biggest employers, 79. It's not the workers who decide how the votes are cast, but the bosses, who "appoint" the voters. Plutocracy, pure and simple.



As Nicholas Shaxson explains in his fascinating book Treasure Islands (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/jan/22/treasure-islands-tax-havens-shaxson-review), the Corporation exists outside many of the laws and democratic controls which govern the rest of the United Kingdom. The City of London is the only part of Britain over which parliament has no authority. In one respect at least the Corporation acts as the superior body: it imposes on the House of Commons a figure called the remembrancer (http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Council_and_democracy/Council_departments/City_Remembrancers_Office/): an official lobbyist who sits behind the Speaker's chair and ensures that, whatever our elected representatives might think, the City's rights and privileges are protected. The mayor of London's mandate stops at the boundaries of the Square Mile. There are, as if in a novel by China Miéville, two cities, one of which must unsee the other.http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/31/corporation-london-city-medieval

BradLohaus
04-03-2014, 01:32 AM
Funny how these guys from this autonomous part of London and that autonomous part of Rome are the source of almost all the super Illuminati-type conspiracy theories. They should meet up with the guys from southern Manhattan and then they might actually have something going...

boutons_deux
04-03-2014, 03:49 AM
The financial sector in UK is as rigged and beyond the reach of the law and citizenry as it is in USA.

Winehole23
04-03-2014, 04:25 AM
Funny how these guys from this autonomous part of London and that autonomous part of Rome are the source of almost all the super Illuminati-type conspiracy theories. They should meet up with the guys from southern Manhattan and then they might actually have something going...what makes you think they haven't... ;-)

angrydude
04-03-2014, 12:38 PM
Where there's smoke there's fire.

EVAY
04-03-2014, 04:57 PM
what makes you think they haven't... ;-)

And the likelihood of real financial reform is no more likely in the U.S. than it is in the U.K.

Winehole23
04-04-2014, 04:02 AM
totally agree. we're in an period of open oligarchy. capital is reconsolidating.

Winehole23
04-04-2014, 04:05 AM
and the political process, if not already suborned by the donor class, may well soon be.

Winehole23
04-04-2014, 04:06 AM
In contradistinction to boutons, I'd estimate we aren't quite properly fucked yet. Just wait.

boutons_deux
04-04-2014, 05:12 AM
In contradistinction to boutons, I'd estimate we aren't quite properly fucked yet. Just wait.

the evidence is overwhelming that America is fucked.

but yes, when the Repugs get control of Congress and WH to match VRWC control of SCOTUS, the 99% will be mopped up. The Wealthy Class War is over.

Winehole23
04-04-2014, 02:41 PM
the evidence is overwhelming that America is fuckedwhat evidence, and America in what sense or senses?

"America is fucked" at first flush is not an empirically verifiable hypothesis; it's a value judgement.

Winehole23
04-04-2014, 02:47 PM
waving at an more or less undifferentiated sea of previously posted "evidence" doesn't get you over the finish line. it just means you like to draw the finish line wherever your argument collapsed.

boutons_deux
04-04-2014, 03:39 PM
waving at an more or less undifferentiated sea of previously posted "evidence" doesn't get you over the finish line. it just means you like to draw the finish line wherever your argument collapsed.

where's your evidence that America is NOT fucked, and is NOT unfuckable.

TeyshaBlue
04-04-2014, 03:48 PM
lol boutons.
lol burden of truth logical fallacy
lol idealogue.

boutons_deux
04-04-2014, 03:57 PM
lol boutons.
lol burden of truth logical fallacy
lol idealogue.

TB :lol nothing to say

TeyshaBlue
04-04-2014, 04:07 PM
You run like a bitch when I do.
lol facile coward.

boutons_deux
04-04-2014, 04:54 PM
You run like a bitch when I do.
lol facile coward.

TB :lol nothing to say

TeyshaBlue
04-04-2014, 05:20 PM
TB :lol nothing to say
Ive said plenty. :cry It's just not what you want to hear.:cry

lol coward.

Winehole23
04-05-2014, 02:28 AM
oddly enough, the question of whether people are motivated to participate civically or not (i.e., social mood) is not inconsequential.

oddly enough, our resident jeremiah of radically progressive email forwarders, boutons_deux, counsels ah fuck it, fuckin despair. he thinks we should assume we're all gonna lose because the powers that be are mighty.

fuck that.

boutons_deux
04-05-2014, 10:16 AM
"participate civically"

If the doesn't include voting, then it's useless. Voting and electing is ALL that counts.

And if you can't vote in politicians at state and federal level to reverse the govt policies that are fucking America, then your "participate civically" is nothing but a feel-good, kumbaya pastime.

I don't say "(I/we) fuck it". I say we are fucked and unfuckable. I/we are not the fuckers, we are the fuckees.

And I/we, esp a progressive person in a retrograde, retarded, insanely gerrymandered, corporatocratic red state like oily/gassy Texas, are completely disenfranchised, so flaming federal assholes like Cruz get into the Senate.

Same is true in all the hard-core red states that have elected enough hired assholes in Congress, not even a majority, but enough to block solutions (but their real objective in obstructionism: maintain the status quo of protecting/enriching the 1% and screwing the 99%).

Rampant vote suppression in Repug-controlled purple states, thanks to THEIR SCOTUS JINO puppets, will probably flip the purples fully red, sooner or later, and give them the Senate, along with the House. Then we'll see some even more serious, deeper America-fucking.

and eg, PA Repugs, are playing with changing their electoral votes so they disenfranchise blue Pittsburgh and Philadelphia in presidentail elections with the more numerous rural red districts (similar situation in TX)

"particpate civically" :lol You don't have a fucking clue.

TeyshaBlue
04-05-2014, 01:45 PM
boutons:lol nothing to say.

Winehole23
04-08-2014, 12:19 AM
the everlasting triumph of the 1% makes him cackle with glee. boutons hates us.

boutons_deux
04-08-2014, 05:19 AM
the everlasting triumph of the 1% makes him cackle with glee. boutons hates us.

You Lie

Winehole23
04-08-2014, 10:42 AM
you're a hater

boutons_deux
04-08-2014, 10:47 AM
you're a hater

what do I hate?

Winehole23
04-08-2014, 11:09 AM
other posters and whatever they say. you hate anyone who disagrees with you, you mock those who agree. you've you hate the 1% and objectify the 99%.

you've got plenty of hate to go around. the more accurate question might be, what part of your self-presentation isn't disdainful and mean?

boutons_deux
04-08-2014, 11:27 AM
other posters and whatever they say. you hate anyone who disagrees with you, you mock those who agree. you've you hate the 1% and objectify the 99%.

you've got plenty of hate to go around. the more accurate question might be, what part of your self-presentation isn't disdainful and mean?

hate? nah, disagree vehemently, appalled at their self-defeating, screw-themselves ignorance.

objectify the 99% wth does that mean?

the 1%/VRWC/Repugs/conservatives and what they have done and are doing to the country DESERVE disrepect, hate, indictment