Obama and co using taxpayers money to bail out Ukranian megabanks

[cheguevara]

:lmao don't this beat all. Now we are not only using taxpayers money to bail out corrupt US based banks, we are now going to bail out foreign banks like Ukraine using mom + pop's tax money. :lol

“This $1 billion for Ukraine is a rip-off for the America taxpayer, but it is also a bad deal for Ukrainians,” he wrote. “Not a single needy Ukrainian will see a penny of this money, as it will be used to bail out international banks who hold Ukrainian government debt.” said Ron Paul

“Recently a democratically-elected government was overthrown by violent protesters,” he wrote. “That is the opposite of democracy, where governments are changed by free and fair elections. What is shocking is that the US government and its NGOs were on the side of the protesters!

“Washington does not want to talk about its own actions that led to the coup, instead focusing on attacking the Russian reaction to US-instigated unrest next door to them.”

Dr. Paul still dropping truthbombs :tu

[Wild Cobra]

Wat do you expect? Obama came out of the Chicago style politics...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol WC ripping off something Fuzzy says

[Th'Pusher]

...and the reference to Chicago style politics really makes no sense in this context.

[boutons_deux]

black Chicago community organizers bail out foreign banks all the time, what's the problem?

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Fec8-kd2Sh4/TfgVW4YUcvI/AAAAAAAAEUs/I3IsEey0US8/s1600/EvilJew01.png

[pgardn]

:lmao don't this beat all. Now we are not only using taxpayers money to bail out corrupt US based banks, we are now going to bail out foreign banks like Ukraine using mom + pop's tax money. :lol

“This $1 billion for Ukraine is a rip-off for the America taxpayer, but it is also a bad deal for Ukrainians,” he wrote. “Not a single needy Ukrainian will see a penny of this money, as it will be used to bail out international banks who hold Ukrainian government debt.” said Ron Paul

“Recently a democratically-elected government was overthrown by violent protesters,” he wrote. “That is the opposite of democracy, where governments are changed by free and fair elections. What is shocking is that the US government and its NGOs were on the side of the protesters!

“Washington does not want to talk about its own actions that led to the coup, instead focusing on attacking the Russian reaction to US-instigated unrest next door to them.”

Dr. Paul still dropping truthbombs :tu

Roosevelt and Truman bailed out Germany and Japan.
Idiots...

[cheguevara]

Roosevelt and Truman bailed out Germany and Japan.
Idiots...

I'm gonna go ahead and say common germans and japanese got some of the bail out money. unlike what is gonna happen in Ukraine

[pgardn]

I'm gonna go ahead and say common germans and japanese got some of the bail out money. unlike what is gonna happen in Ukraine

Most of the early money will go to pay debt so that the country can function.
The people of Ukraine will see this as being able to buy stuff, instead of having a currency that does not work.
What a horrible thing...

[boutons_deux]

Russia just raised Ukraine gas bill by 44%, so some of that US/EU $Bs to Ukraine will go directly to Russia.

[EVAY]

Roosevelt and Truman bailed out Germany and Japan.
Idiots...

In all honesty, we bailed Germany out so that the European economy could function again, and so that West Germany wouldn't fall prey to the Commie pinkos from East Germany.

In Japan, we simply and totally took over that country and re-made it into a U.S. economic and political model.

It wasn't all altruism, although there were definitely some benefits for both countries in the long run.

[baseline bum]

In all honesty, we bailed Germany out so that the European economy could function again, and so that West Germany wouldn't fall prey to the Commie pinkos from East Germany.

In Japan, we simply and totally took over that country and re-made it into a U.S. economic and political model.

It wasn't all altruism, although there were definitely some benefits for both countries in the long run.

Wish Germany or Japan would come back and remake our health care system in their image tbh.

[boutons_deux]

"we bailed Germany out so that the European economy could function again"

... as a market for US exports. The Marshall Plan was in the USA's financial self interest, not USA altruism.

[EVAY]

"we bailed Germany out so that the European economy could function again"

... as a market for US exports. The Marshall Plan was in the USA's financial self interest, not USA altruism.

All true. But it could also be argued that it was a manifestation of 'game theory' prior to its development. Everyone benefited from the gifts - givers and receivers.

[pgardn]

"we bailed Germany out so that the European economy could function again"

... as a market for US exports. The Marshall Plan was in the USA's financial self interest, not USA altruism.







Oh and it hurt them so badly...
Idiot...

[pgardn]

In all honesty, we bailed Germany out so that the European economy could function again, and so that West Germany wouldn't fall prey to the Commie pinkos from East Germany.

In Japan, we simply and totally took over that country and re-made it into a U.S. economic and political model.

It wasn't all altruism, although there were definitely some benefits for both countries in the long run.

some is a HUGE understatement.

[pgardn]

Russia just raised Ukraine gas bill by 44%, so some of that US/EU $Bs to Ukraine will go directly to Russia.

So what. They just drive these economies closer to being free and not mandated by one little bald guy.

[Nbadan]

:lol Che....it's not Obama looting Ukraine...

The West’s Looting of Ukraine Has Begun
April 01, 2014
Shackled by the IMF

The West’s Looting of Ukraine Has Begun

by PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS



It is now apparent that the “Maiden protests” in Kiev were in actuality a Washington organized coup against the elected democratic government. The purpose of the coup is to put NATO military bases on Ukraine’s border with Russia and to impose an IMF austerity program that serves as cover for Western financial interests to loot the country. The sincere idealistic protesters who took to the streets without being paid were the gullible dupes of the plot to destroy their country.

Politically Ukraine is an untenable aggregation of Ukrainian and Russian territory, because traditional Russian territories were stuck into the borders of the Ukraine Soviet Republic by Lenin and Khrushchev. The Crimea, stuck into Ukraine by Khrushchev, has already departed and rejoined Russia. Unless some autonomy is granted to them, Russian areas in eastern and southern Ukraine might also depart and return to Russia. If the animosity displayed toward the Russian speaking population by the stooge government in Kiev continues, more defections to Russia are likely.

The Washington-imposed coup faces other possible difficulties from what seems to be a growing conflict between the well-organized Right Sector and the Washington-imposed stooges. If armed conflict between these two groups were to occur, Washington might conclude that it needs to send help to its stooges. The appearance of US/NATO troops in Ukraine would create pressure on Putin to occupy the remaining Russian speaking parts of Ukraine.

Before the political and geographical issues are settled, the Western looting of Ukraine has already begun. The Western media, doesn’t tell any more truth about IMF “rescue packages” than it does about anything else. The media reports, and many Ukrainians believe, that the IMF is going to rescue Ukraine financially by giving the country billions of dollars.

More:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/01/the-new-face-of-the-radical-right/

[Nbadan]

Ukraine will never see one dollar of the IMF money. What the IMF is going to do is to substitute Ukrainian indebtedness to the IMF for Ukrainian indebtedness to Western banks. The IMF will hand over the money to the Western banks, and the Western banks will reduce Ukraine’s indebtedness by the amount of IMF money. Instead of being indebted to the banks, Ukraine will now be indebted to the IMF.

Now the looting can begin. The IMF loan brings new conditions and imposes austerity on the Ukrainian people so that the Ukraine government can gather up the money with which to repay the IMF. The IMF conditions that will be imposed on the struggling Ukraine population will consist of severe reductions in old-age pensions, in government services, in government employment, and in subsidies for basic consumer purchases such as natural gas. Already low living standards will plummet. In addition, Ukrainian public assets and Ukrainian owned private industries will have to be sold off to Western purchasers.

Additionally, Ukraine will have to float its currency. In a futile effort to protect its currency’s value from being driven very low (and consequently import prices very high) by speculators ganging up on the currency and short-selling it, Ukraine will borrow more money with which to support its currency in the foreign exchange market. Of course, the currency speculators will end up with the borrowed money, leaving Ukraine much deeper in debt than currently.

The corruption involved is legendary, so the direct result of the gullible Maiden protesters will be lower Ukrainian living standards, more corruption, loss of sovereignty over the country’s economic policy, and the transfer of Ukrainian public and private property to Western interests.

http://1389blog.com/pix/Russia-wants-war-look-how-close-they-put-their-country-to-our-military-bases.jpg

[Nbadan]

The western model is to provide military spending loans to any local political class that's willing to sell off its infrastructure and resources to (western) corporations. The country in question goes for the loan, and that money gets pumped back to the US via "defence" contractors. All the new arms make the local politicos look invincible to any opposition.

So if this assertion of (possibly false) equivalency in foreign policy were true, then there is a good chance that Ukraine hasn't paid for that naval fleet.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/newsgraphics/2012/0827-weapons/0827-for-WEAPONSweb.jpg

[Nbadan]

Poll Shows Republicans Really Have No Idea What They Want Obama To Do With Russia
TOM KLUDT – APRIL 2, 2014, 9:06 AM EDT


A huge majority of Republicans believe Vladimir Putin is a stronger leader than President Obama. They overwhelmingly believe that Obama has not been tough enough in his handling of the situation with Russia and Ukraine.

And yet, they're also unsure how much they'd like the United States to get involved in the tense standoff.

Those are some of the findings in a Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday that examined the public's attitudes about Russia's incursion into Crimea.

If it has seemed like there's little Obama can do to please Republicans, the poll provides some confirmation of that.

more
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/poll-republicans-obama-putin-russia

[angrydude]

The IMF is lending them 19 billion. Prediction: When they don't pay it back because of all crooked neo-nazis in charge over there the IMF (IE western bankers) will own the country.

But Putin is the one who wants to take over Ukraine. :lol