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Koolaid_Man
04-01-2014, 02:33 PM
I'm very proud....that is until I'm forced to pay more in taxes...we shall see soon...looks like the lonely miserable repubs lost the battle of truth...

7 mill with a potential to swell past 9 million...amazing it is a success story....Hilary should walk right in and keep it going....:toast

CosmicCowboy
04-01-2014, 02:35 PM
That's just registered, not purchased. Hell, I'm registered. If you wanted to look around in there you had to register to see anything.

So Baby Butt Smooth, which plan did YOU buy?

Koolaid_Man
04-01-2014, 02:47 PM
That's just registered, not purchased. Hell, I'm registered. If you wanted to look around in there you had to register to see anything.

So Baby Butt Smooth, which plan did YOU buy?

I'm paying for all my employees plan out of my own pocket because unlike you I have a viable business :hat

CosmicCowboy
04-01-2014, 02:50 PM
I'm paying for all my employees plan out of my own pocket because unlike you I have a viable business :hat

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Trill Clinton
04-01-2014, 02:50 PM
damn 7 million people???

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/3995349/shottas-o.gif

CosmicCowboy
04-01-2014, 02:51 PM
That's like autotrader counting everyone that looks at a car ad as a "sold car"

Trill Clinton
04-01-2014, 02:57 PM
somebody in here is mad that a sick child is finally receiving the care they desperately need.

Koolaid_Man
04-01-2014, 02:58 PM
Obama may not be perfect...but he has a better heart than any of the so called conservative christians

CosmicCowboy
04-01-2014, 02:58 PM
Nobody is mad. Just regulating the liars.

cheguevara
04-01-2014, 03:02 PM
and they also called 401k a success back when it was implemented. we were all going to be millionaires by the time we retire :lmao

years later, the Finance Sector has made trillions off it and mom + pop are waiting for their children's support checks :lmao :lmao

they called Iraq a success too :lol

that's what government does, they put up fake "success" flags every once in a while so us monkeys can admire them and feel good about ourselves

never buy into the hype, never ever buy into the government spun hype

KoolAid Mans Brother
04-01-2014, 03:23 PM
:cry John Q's son

Rogue
04-01-2014, 06:53 PM
shit only looks good to those who barely finished highschool, tbh.

tlongII
04-01-2014, 07:54 PM
Obamacare is a disaster and is going to ruin the quality of medical care in America.

Th'Pusher
04-01-2014, 08:00 PM
That's just registered, not purchased. Hell, I'm registered. If you wanted to look around in there you had to register to see anything.

So Baby Butt Smooth, which plan did YOU buy?

No. Not registered, 7.1M signed up for coverage.

DarrinS
04-01-2014, 08:00 PM
damn 7 million people???

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/3995349/shottas-o.gif


307 million other Americans doing sarcastic slow clap.

Rogue
04-01-2014, 08:01 PM
agree, what obamacare does is like make a barrel of beverage with a bottle of legit liquor. it seems like everyone gets their share of medicare when in fact it lowers the medical standard for all. It's like convert your $100 note into 100 $1 notes, only a pre-school kid would think it generates him more money tbh.

Koolaid_Man
04-01-2014, 08:05 PM
agree, what obamacare does is like make a barrel of beverage with a bottle of legit liquor. it seems like everyone gets their share of medicare when in fact it lowers the medical standard for all. It's like convert your $100 note into 100 $1 notes, only a pre-school kid would think it generates him more money tbh.

You lost the gotdam election not once but twice....the Supreme court upheld it....we won you lost...get over and stop all the gotdam racist propaganda lies....it's good for the country and good for the uninsured...it's lowering costs all across this country and that's a good thing...score board Obama 3 > Republicans 0

deal with that shit lil homie :lol

Koolaid_Man
04-01-2014, 08:06 PM
Obamacare is a disaster and is going to ruin the quality of medical care in America.

just more tea party lying and thuggertry...

TSA
04-01-2014, 08:07 PM
No. Not registered, 7.1M signed up for coverage.
And of those how many were previously uninsured? You'd think they'd have that number to share.

Koolaid_Man
04-01-2014, 08:07 PM
Dam shame it took a black man to clean up the white man's decades of mistakes

Koolaid_Man
04-01-2014, 08:08 PM
And of those how many were previously uninsured? You'd think they'd have that number to share.

I'd venture to say about 5.5-6m but it besides the point...it's a whopping success....plus the tea-liban has no alternatives...you guys are losers...Obama is a winner

TSA
04-01-2014, 08:12 PM
I'd venture to say about 5.5-6m but it besides the point...it's a whopping success...
I'd venture to say you are far off....but it besides the point.

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-01-2014, 08:12 PM
:lmao now the tea party will have no way to reverse it even if they take both houses + the white house in 2016. Repealing Obamacare and stripping $7M people of coverage would be political suicide.

Koolaid_Man
04-01-2014, 08:13 PM
:lmao now the tea party will have no way to reverse it even if they take both houses + the white house in 2016. Repealing Obamacare and stripping $7M people of coverage would be political suicide.

it's a done deal....Obama was heaven sent...and he's clowning the Republicans by saying that Armageddon has not come yet under his watch :lmao

TSA
04-01-2014, 08:13 PM
Dam shame it took a black man to clean up the white man's decades of mistakes

Except that the white man wrote the law. He's just a black puppet.

Koolaid_Man
04-01-2014, 08:20 PM
Except that the white man wrote the law. He's just a black puppet.

As long as he gets the credit I'm good....yall been doing that to us for years TSA...taking all the credit while we do the work...:lol

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-01-2014, 08:20 PM
it's a done deal....Obama was heaven sent...and he's clowning the Republicans by saying that Armageddon has not come yet under his watch :lmao

:lol just wait until a state like California or Vermont goes to a single payer system and that spreads the way it did in Canada, Republicans and their big pharma contributors will really start shitting their pants.

Koolaid_Man
04-01-2014, 08:24 PM
:lol just wait until a state like California or Vermont goes to a single payer system and that spreads the way it did in Canada, Republicans and their big pharma contributors will really start shitting their pants.

this right here is gonna allow Hilary to walk right into the white house and I'm confident we'll hold the Senate even though it'll be close...this will help...the Repubs are losing the argument more and more each day...they only had a certain time to scare the bejeebus out of people and it failed...now all the piss poor hillbillies and rednecks are gonna start signing up in missing teeth droves :lol

Th'Pusher
04-01-2014, 08:24 PM
And of those how many were previously uninsured? You'd think they'd have that number to share.
What makes you think they'd know how many people were previously insured?

TSA
04-01-2014, 08:26 PM
:lol just wait until a state like California or Vermont goes to a single payer system and that spreads the way it did in Canada, Republicans and their big pharma contributors will really start shitting their pants.

Corruption runs far too deep in our government for a single payer to function like Canada's.

TSA
04-01-2014, 08:27 PM
What makes you think they'd know how many people were previously insured?
Is that a serious question?

Koolaid_Man
04-01-2014, 08:27 PM
Corruption runs far too deep in our government for a single payer to function like Canada's.

make the connection for me TSA...explain a bit further what you mean...thanks

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-01-2014, 08:29 PM
Corruption runs far too deep in our government for a single payer to function like Canada's.

Canada's government is bigger. Doesn't bigger government = more corruption?

Th'Pusher
04-01-2014, 08:32 PM
Is that a serious question?

Yes


Four years after enactment, and six months into the final stage of implementation, the starter home may not look great. But it’s weathered the political and technological storms, albeit better in some parts of the country than others, and it is still standing. People are using the new marketplaces to get insurance. And the available evidence (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117205/obamacare-signup-surge-republicans-say-obama-cooking-books)—a combination of state-specific data from places like Washington, Kentucky, and New York, along with fuzzy polling data and fuzzier anecdotes—suggests strongly the number of people without insurance is declining.

It’s impossible to tell by how much, so you should ignore anybody, left or right, who claims to know the answer. But the fact that enrollments through the marketplaces are approaching what the Congressional Budget Office and other experts once predicted ought to make you more confident about their other projections. And these authorities predicted the law would mean many more people had real, stable health insurance coverage. One reason, often overlooked in this debate, is that lots of people are getting coverage through other sources—like Medicaid or, if they are young adults, through their parents’ employers—that would not have been available without Obamacare. Another is that conservative stories of several million people losing coverage because insurers cancelled plans last year overlook one key fact: Nearly all of those people got new insurance, usually through the same carriers as before.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117217/obamacare-deadline-its-ok-affordable-care-act-again

Do you claim to have the answer?

TSA
04-01-2014, 08:33 PM
Canada's government is bigger. Doesn't bigger government = more corruption?

Not at all when you're Canadian.

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-01-2014, 08:34 PM
Not at all when you're Canadian.

But I constantly hear the tea baggers say big government = more corruption. Are they wrong?

TSA
04-01-2014, 08:42 PM
Yes


Do you claim to have the answer?

No I do not. But when our boy Bob Laszewski crunches the numbers I'll let you know.

http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2014/03/was-obamacare-worth-it-how-many-of.html?m=1


Health insurance reform was long overdue. But did it need to be done the way the architects of the Affordable Care Act did it?

Obamacare was enacted, and the private health insurance market fundamentally changed, so that we could cover millions of people who previously couldn't get coverage.

Are enough people getting coverage who didn't have it before to justify the sacrifices the people who were already covered––in the individual, small group, and large employer market––are making or will make?

I will suggest the country will never really be able to judge how good or how bad Obamacare is until that question is answered.

Forget the Obama administration's spin over hitting 6 million. Forget all of the opposition spin over Obamacare's failings.

The country's judgment should and will come down to a simple answer to this simple question.

Of course, the more than 6 million enrollment the administration recently announced overstates Obamacare's success because this includes enrollments that were never completed since the person never paid the premium. There are lots of reasons why a consumer might not complete the enrollment. The person may have hit the enroll button a number of times and ended up paying only once. It may have been one of the infamous "834" transactions that never made sense and the consumer ended up having to enroll again later. Or, the person might have had second thoughts about the cost/benefit of Obamacare and decided not to move forward.

Then there were a measurable number of people who paid their first month's premium but never paid the second month's premium. I am told that 2% to 5% of January's enrollments never paid in February, for example.

Whatever the reason, the real enrollment number will likely be about 20% lower than what the administration finally reports. That means the real enrollment will be closer to 5 million than 6 million.

But 6 million sounds better than 5 million.

There are two important pieces of information we need to have before the country can really answer this fundamental question about the way Obamacare accomplished health insurance reform:
How many people have actually paid and completed their enrollment?
To what extent have we reduced the ranks of the uninsured––how many of these people who enrolled were previously insured and how many of them were previously uninsured?
Reporters often ask these questions and the Obama administration says they don't know. And, that's the end of it.

But these questions are easily answered.

Every insurance company knows exactly how many people it has enrolled and who paid their premium at the end of every billing period. How else would they be able to process the claims for these people?

How many people were enrolled and paid for?

All HHS Secretary Sebelius has to do is write each of the 400 insurance companies selling in the exchanges and ask them for the total number of people enrolled and paid for on the insurance exchanges as of a certain date. She could email each of them on April 1 and ask for their hard enrollment numbers, for example, as of the end of the month of March. Either the feds or the state exchanges communicate with the carriers daily. The carriers would be able to respond in a matter of hours with the data.

Then, get a pad of paper, a pencil, and a dime store calculator and add up the numbers. By April 5th, we would know the precise answer.

Then there is the second question: Just how much have we reduced the ranks of the uninsured since Obamacare went into effect? It's just as easy to answer this question.

We only need ask the carriers for two numbers:
The number of people they insured (and were paid for) in both the individual and small group markets as of December 31, 2013––the day before Obamacare started covering people.
The number of people that were insured (and paid for) in both the individual and small group markets on a specific date––March 31, 2014, for example.
I will suggest that asking for both the small group and individual market numbers is important as people have a tendency to move between the markets, particularly as employers drop coverage and their people go, or don't go, into the exchanges.

Then subtract one total from the other. We would have an excellent idea of just how many more people, net of any gains and losses, secured private insurance since Obamacare's launch.

Then people could make their judgments about how well Obamacare accomplished health insurance reform free from all of the spin.

My conversations with carriers suggest that about half of the enrollments come from the ranks of the previously insured. But that is just anecdotal information. I don't have a hard number. And, why should anyone believe me particularly when the real answer so easy to get?

Yes, there might be some movement between the large employer market and these other markets and there are a very few carriers not participating in the exchanges. But, I will suggest, to the 90th percentile, we'd have our answer. It would sure be a lot more accurate answer than someone doing a poll involving a few hundred or even a few thousand people.

Why should the administration make the effort to get this information? They know the answer wouldn't spin as well as saying they have enrolled 6 million people and arguing that millions of previously uninsured people have coverage.

But the fundamental question is: Did we sign-up enough people to really reduce the ranks of the uninsured and therefore make this new health law worth it?

The information the country needs to answer that question, and to really judge Obamacare for themselves, is remarkably easy to produce.

And, the press needs to do its job making sure the people get it.

TSA
04-01-2014, 08:43 PM
But I constantly hear the tea baggers say big government = more corruption. Are they wrong?

When it comes to America they are correct. For the record I am not a tea bagger, nor a Republican, nor a Democrat.

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-01-2014, 08:44 PM
When it comes to America they are correct. For the record I am not a tea bagger, nor a Republican, nor a Democrat.

How are they correct when it comes to America?

Th'Pusher
04-01-2014, 08:50 PM
No I do not. But when our boy Bob Laszewski crunches the numbers I'll let you know.

http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2014/03/was-obamacare-worth-it-how-many-of.html?m=1


Health insurance reform was long overdue. But did it need to be done the way the architects of the Affordable Care Act did it?

Obamacare was enacted, and the private health insurance market fundamentally changed, so that we could cover millions of people who previously couldn't get coverage.

Are enough people getting coverage who didn't have it before to justify the sacrifices the people who were already covered––in the individual, small group, and large employer market––are making or will make?

I will suggest the country will never really be able to judge how good or how bad Obamacare is until that question is answered.

Forget the Obama administration's spin over hitting 6 million. Forget all of the opposition spin over Obamacare's failings.

The country's judgment should and will come down to a simple answer to this simple question.

Of course, the more than 6 million enrollment the administration recently announced overstates Obamacare's success because this includes enrollments that were never completed since the person never paid the premium. There are lots of reasons why a consumer might not complete the enrollment. The person may have hit the enroll button a number of times and ended up paying only once. It may have been one of the infamous "834" transactions that never made sense and the consumer ended up having to enroll again later. Or, the person might have had second thoughts about the cost/benefit of Obamacare and decided not to move forward.

Then there were a measurable number of people who paid their first month's premium but never paid the second month's premium. I am told that 2% to 5% of January's enrollments never paid in February, for example.

Whatever the reason, the real enrollment number will likely be about 20% lower than what the administration finally reports. That means the real enrollment will be closer to 5 million than 6 million.

But 6 million sounds better than 5 million.

There are two important pieces of information we need to have before the country can really answer this fundamental question about the way Obamacare accomplished health insurance reform:
How many people have actually paid and completed their enrollment?
To what extent have we reduced the ranks of the uninsured––how many of these people who enrolled were previously insured and how many of them were previously uninsured?
Reporters often ask these questions and the Obama administration says they don't know. And, that's the end of it.

But these questions are easily answered.

Every insurance company knows exactly how many people it has enrolled and who paid their premium at the end of every billing period. How else would they be able to process the claims for these people?

How many people were enrolled and paid for?

All HHS Secretary Sebelius has to do is write each of the 400 insurance companies selling in the exchanges and ask them for the total number of people enrolled and paid for on the insurance exchanges as of a certain date. She could email each of them on April 1 and ask for their hard enrollment numbers, for example, as of the end of the month of March. Either the feds or the state exchanges communicate with the carriers daily. The carriers would be able to respond in a matter of hours with the data.

Then, get a pad of paper, a pencil, and a dime store calculator and add up the numbers. By April 5th, we would know the precise answer.

Then there is the second question: Just how much have we reduced the ranks of the uninsured since Obamacare went into effect? It's just as easy to answer this question.

We only need ask the carriers for two numbers:
The number of people they insured (and were paid for) in both the individual and small group markets as of December 31, 2013––the day before Obamacare started covering people.
The number of people that were insured (and paid for) in both the individual and small group markets on a specific date––March 31, 2014, for example.
I will suggest that asking for both the small group and individual market numbers is important as people have a tendency to move between the markets, particularly as employers drop coverage and their people go, or don't go, into the exchanges.

Then subtract one total from the other. We would have an excellent idea of just how many more people, net of any gains and losses, secured private insurance since Obamacare's launch.

Then people could make their judgments about how well Obamacare accomplished health insurance reform free from all of the spin.

My conversations with carriers suggest that about half of the enrollments come from the ranks of the previously insured. But that is just anecdotal information. I don't have a hard number. And, why should anyone believe me particularly when the real answer so easy to get?

Yes, there might be some movement between the large employer market and these other markets and there are a very few carriers not participating in the exchanges. But, I will suggest, to the 90th percentile, we'd have our answer. It would sure be a lot more accurate answer than someone doing a poll involving a few hundred or even a few thousand people.

Why should the administration make the effort to get this information? They know the answer wouldn't spin as well as saying they have enrolled 6 million people and arguing that millions of previously uninsured people have coverage.

But the fundamental question is: Did we sign-up enough people to really reduce the ranks of the uninsured and therefore make this new health law worth it?

The information the country needs to answer that question, and to really judge Obamacare for themselves, is remarkably easy to produce.

And, the press needs to do its job making sure the people get it.

Glad you were able to drop the bravado and look to facts for an answer. Keep up the good work!

TSA
04-01-2014, 08:59 PM
How are they correct when it comes to America?

Is our government not getting bigger and more corrupt?

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-01-2014, 09:01 PM
Is our government not getting bigger and more corrupt?

It's gotten more corrupt over the last 30 years while Reagan, Clinton, Bush etc. deregulated and made it smaller.

TSA
04-01-2014, 09:01 PM
Glad you were able to drop the bravado and look to facts for an answer. Keep up the good work!

Stop touting your 7.1 million figure around and I'll stop making it sound silly with facts.

TSA
04-01-2014, 09:03 PM
It's gotten more corrupt over the last 30 years while Reagan, Clinton, Bush etc. deregulated and made it smaller.

I don't really believe it was ever made smaller, just more complex and hidden from the public eye.

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-01-2014, 09:09 PM
I don't really believe it was ever made smaller, just more complex and hidden from the public eye.

So you don't think the tax cuts for the rich, free trade agreements, financial sector deregulation and campaign financing deregulation we've seen are examples of smaller government?

Th'Pusher
04-01-2014, 09:11 PM
Stop touting your 7.1 million figure around and I'll stop making it sound silly with facts.
I was simply pointing out that it was not registered users, but people who enrolled for coverage.

Trill Clinton
04-01-2014, 09:31 PM
my boy, allen, is going IN on twitter lol

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DUNCANownsKOBE
04-01-2014, 09:37 PM
Conservatives don't want laws to be like they were in the 1950s when corporations and rich people actually had to pay taxes.

They want laws from the 1850s :lol

Koolaid_Man
04-01-2014, 09:46 PM
Conservatives don't want laws to be like they were in the 1950s when corporations and rich people actually had to pay taxes.

They want laws from the 1850s :lol

^ yep...they're used to all that free field and house pussy...they gonna try and take it one way or another

Clipper Nation
04-01-2014, 09:49 PM
:lol Anyone pretending that the GOP and DNC's desires differ in any major way

Leetonidas
04-01-2014, 10:52 PM
This is worse than when you try to pretend you know basketball. Just stop it son. stick to making threads about fingers in the ass or Tammy threads imo

DMX7
04-01-2014, 10:56 PM
It pains them to see Obama succeed

RGMCSE
04-01-2014, 11:23 PM
I'm very proud....that is until I'm forced to pay more in taxes...we shall see soon...looks like the lonely miserable repubs lost the battle of truth...

7 mill with a potential to swell past 9 million...amazing it is a success story....Hilary should walk right in and keep it going....:toast

And yet millions more were forced to change or were ripped of their preferred insurance at the cost of selling ACA. This is a fraud and your're too stupid/ignorant to understand or see what is happening behind the curtains.

Rogue
04-02-2014, 12:28 AM
and it also hurts the country if Obama succeeds doing what he wants.

FuzzyLumpkins
04-02-2014, 06:56 AM
That's like autotrader counting everyone that looks at a car ad as a "sold car"

If you mean "agree contractually to buy the car" when you say "looks at a car ad' then I agree with you.

NFO
04-02-2014, 07:51 AM
I'm very proud....that is until I'm forced to pay more in taxes...we shall see soon...looks like the lonely miserable repubs lost the battle of truth...

7 mill with a potential to swell past 9 million...amazing it is a success story....Hilary should walk right in and keep it going....:toast

How is that "If you like your plan you can keep it. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" Working out?


How many people got kicked out of their insurance plans and were forced to sign up for Obama care?

lol at relaying anything this administration says. Only a fool, would beleive the numbers they came out with. Shocker that you believe everything the guy says.

UZER
04-02-2014, 07:59 AM
:lol thinking dems vs repubs is real. Its all a sham. Gov agendas are put in action, the "opposition" acts enraged, but its plan still moves forward and the Gov slowly takes more control.

Rinse repeat regardless of who's in office, house, senate.

Bill_Brasky
04-02-2014, 08:10 AM
Obamacare fucking sucks and was shit all over by insurance companies. Single payer or bust, faggots.

tlongII
04-02-2014, 10:30 AM
It's gotten more corrupt over the last 30 years while Reagan, Clinton, Bush etc. deregulated and made it smaller.

You think the government is smaller now than it was 30 years ago? :lmao

tlongII
04-02-2014, 10:35 AM
You think the government is smaller now than it was 30 years ago? :lmao

I suggest you view this link (http://federal-budget.findthebest.com/compare/86-116/1983-vs-2013-estimate) that compares the 1983 federal budget to the 2013 federal budget.

tlongII
04-02-2014, 10:39 AM
ACA doesn't even address the most important issue as to why health care is so expensive. Malpractice insurance.

Koolaid_Man
04-02-2014, 01:21 PM
That's just registered, not purchased. Hell, I'm registered. If you wanted to look around in there you had to register to see anything.

So Baby Butt Smooth, which plan did YOU buy?

:lmao EPIC FAIL Queer Cowboy...it's actually signed up.....not registered...once again Tea-Tards coming up with their own inbreed "facts".....

suck on it CC....:[email protected]'re mad get over it....

TSA
04-02-2014, 01:47 PM
Again, registered does not mean paid. I'll repost for reading pleasure.




http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2014/03/was-obamacare-worth-it-how-many-of.html?m=1


Health insurance reform was long overdue. But did it need to be done the way the architects of the Affordable Care Act did it?

Obamacare was enacted, and the private health insurance market fundamentally changed, so that we could cover millions of people who previously couldn't get coverage.

Are enough people getting coverage who didn't have it before to justify the sacrifices the people who were already covered––in the individual, small group, and large employer market––are making or will make?

I will suggest the country will never really be able to judge how good or how bad Obamacare is until that question is answered.

Forget the Obama administration's spin over hitting 6 million. Forget all of the opposition spin over Obamacare's failings.

The country's judgment should and will come down to a simple answer to this simple question.

Of course, the more than 6 million enrollment the administration recently announced overstates Obamacare's success because this includes enrollments that were never completed since the person never paid the premium. There are lots of reasons why a consumer might not complete the enrollment. The person may have hit the enroll button a number of times and ended up paying only once. It may have been one of the infamous "834" transactions that never made sense and the consumer ended up having to enroll again later. Or, the person might have had second thoughts about the cost/benefit of Obamacare and decided not to move forward.

Then there were a measurable number of people who paid their first month's premium but never paid the second month's premium. I am told that 2% to 5% of January's enrollments never paid in February, for example.

Whatever the reason, the real enrollment number will likely be about 20% lower than what the administration finally reports. That means the real enrollment will be closer to 5 million than 6 million.

But 6 million sounds better than 5 million.

There are two important pieces of information we need to have before the country can really answer this fundamental question about the way Obamacare accomplished health insurance reform:
How many people have actually paid and completed their enrollment?
To what extent have we reduced the ranks of the uninsured––how many of these people who enrolled were previously insured and how many of them were previously uninsured?
Reporters often ask these questions and the Obama administration says they don't know. And, that's the end of it.

But these questions are easily answered.

Every insurance company knows exactly how many people it has enrolled and who paid their premium at the end of every billing period. How else would they be able to process the claims for these people?

How many people were enrolled and paid for?

All HHS Secretary Sebelius has to do is write each of the 400 insurance companies selling in the exchanges and ask them for the total number of people enrolled and paid for on the insurance exchanges as of a certain date. She could email each of them on April 1 and ask for their hard enrollment numbers, for example, as of the end of the month of March. Either the feds or the state exchanges communicate with the carriers daily. The carriers would be able to respond in a matter of hours with the data.

Then, get a pad of paper, a pencil, and a dime store calculator and add up the numbers. By April 5th, we would know the precise answer.

Then there is the second question: Just how much have we reduced the ranks of the uninsured since Obamacare went into effect? It's just as easy to answer this question.

We only need ask the carriers for two numbers:
The number of people they insured (and were paid for) in both the individual and small group markets as of December 31, 2013––the day before Obamacare started covering people.
The number of people that were insured (and paid for) in both the individual and small group markets on a specific date––March 31, 2014, for example.
I will suggest that asking for both the small group and individual market numbers is important as people have a tendency to move between the markets, particularly as employers drop coverage and their people go, or don't go, into the exchanges.

Then subtract one total from the other. We would have an excellent idea of just how many more people, net of any gains and losses, secured private insurance since Obamacare's launch.

Then people could make their judgments about how well Obamacare accomplished health insurance reform free from all of the spin.

My conversations with carriers suggest that about half of the enrollments come from the ranks of the previously insured. But that is just anecdotal information. I don't have a hard number. And, why should anyone believe me particularly when the real answer so easy to get?

Yes, there might be some movement between the large employer market and these other markets and there are a very few carriers not participating in the exchanges. But, I will suggest, to the 90th percentile, we'd have our answer. It would sure be a lot more accurate answer than someone doing a poll involving a few hundred or even a few thousand people.

Why should the administration make the effort to get this information? They know the answer wouldn't spin as well as saying they have enrolled 6 million people and arguing that millions of previously uninsured people have coverage.

But the fundamental question is: Did we sign-up enough people to really reduce the ranks of the uninsured and therefore make this new health law worth it?

The information the country needs to answer that question, and to really judge Obamacare for themselves, is remarkably easy to produce.

And, the press needs to do its job making sure the people get it.

Th'Pusher
04-02-2014, 07:08 PM
Again, registered does not mean paid. I'll repost for reading pleasure.
They selected a plan and signed up for coverage for which they will be getting a bill. Will some people not pay that bill, sure, but that is totally different than what CC was intimating, which was basically that if you went to the website, you were counted among the 7.1M. He was wrong...

Furthermore, do you think the CBO did not account for a certain % of people signing up and not paying their premiums in their analysis? Do you think they assumed a 100% collection rate?

Just calm down and let's see what happens. You don't have to let you hatred for Obama distort and cloud all your views and decisions. Try being a thoughtful person.