Student's death in Colorado raises questions on marijuana and health

[SnakeBoy]

DENVER — It was spring break, and Levy Thamba, a 19-year-old college student from Africa, had checked into a fourth-floor hotel room with three of his buddies. They had come from their small college in Wyoming looking for an adventure.


No one is sure how much Thamba ate of the marijuana cookie purchased by one of his friends at a local pot shop. But soon the engineering student, who had never tried marijuana before, began acting strangely hostile, tearing around the room and pulling pictures from the wall.

Sometime in the early hours of March 11, Thamba leaped over the balcony to his death.

Thamba died from injuries suffered in the fall, the coroner's office ruled last week, but the report made an unusual notation: The death, involving a victim with no history of mental problems or suicidal tendencies, was linked to "marijuana intoxication."

Authorities are calling the incident the state's first marijuana-related death since Colorado legalized sales of recreational marijuana at the beginning of the year to those over 21.

http://gazette.com/students-death-in-colorado-raises-questions-on-marijuana-and-health/article/1517791

[SnakeBoy]

Illegal pot still a problem for Colorado

DENVER — A 25-year-old is shot dead trying to sell marijuana the old-fashioned, illegal way. Two men from Texas set up a warehouse to grow more than they would ever need. And three people buying pot in a grocery store parking lot are robbed at gunpoint.


While marijuana is now legal for growers and licensed sellers in Colorado, crime problems persist. Not every town in the state has a licensed market and corner dealers can still sell tax-free drugs.

While no one expected the state’s first-in-the-nation recreational sales would eliminate the need for dangerous underground sales overnight, the violence has raised concerns among police, prosecutors and pot advocates that a black market for marijuana is alive and well in Colorado.

“It has done nothing more than enhance the opportunity for the black market,” said Lt. Mark Comte of the Colorado Springs police vice and narcotics unit. “If you can get it tax-free on the corner, you’re going to get it on the corner.”

It’s difficult to measure whether there has been an increase in pot-related crimes beyond anecdotal reports because no one at either the federal or state levels is keeping track of the numbers of killings, robberies and other crimes linked directly to marijuana.

Pot advocates say the state is in a transition period, and while pot-related crimes will continue, they will begin to decline as more stores open and prices of legal marijuana go down.

“It’s just a transition period,” activist Brian Vicente said. “Marijuana was illegal for the last 80 years in our state, and there are some remnants of that still around. Certainly, much like alcohol, over time these underground dealers will fade away.”

Sales are due to begin in June in Washington, where authorities will be watching for similar cases.

“There’s going to be a black market here,” said Cmdr. Pat Slack of the Snohomish Regional Drug/Gang Task Force, which covers an area outside Seattle. “There will be drug rip-offs and drug debts that haven’t been paid. All of that is going to stay.”

Under Colorado’s voter-approved law, it is legal to possess up to an ounce of marijuana. Authorities are concerned that means illegal dealers and buyers believe they can avoid prosecution. These dealers and their customers also tend to be targets, if robbers know they are flush with cash.

Arapahoe County, outside Denver, has seen “a growing number of drug rips and outright burglaries and robberies of people who have large amounts of marijuana or cash on them,” said District Attorney George Brauchler.

His district has seen at least three homicides linked to pot in recent months and a rising number of robberies and home invasions.

Among them was a February case in which a 17-year-old boy said he accidentally shot and killed his girlfriend while robbing a man who had come to purchase weed.

Elsewhere, prosecutors say, Nathaniel Tallman, 25, was killed during a January drug deal when he was robbed and shot, and his body dumped in Wyoming.

The next month, a dealer mugged three people who were trying to buy marijuana from him in a Denver grocery store parking lot.

Such deals are the exception, said Vicente. The “average customer” prefers to buy in a well-lit, regulated store, he said, citing the roughly $2 million Colorado made in marijuana taxes in January alone.

Whether dangerous or not, it can still be cheaper to buy pot from a drug dealer.

Voters who approved recreational sales in Colorado also agreed to a 12.9 percent state sales tax and a 15 percent excise tax on it.

Local jurisdictions can also add their own taxes. Medical marijuana is taxed, too, but at a much lower rate -- a 2.9 percent sales tax.

Those taxes mean an ounce of pot can go for $400 or more at a state-sanctioned store, depending on quality and potency. An ounce on the street can run between $200 and $280, depending on how much a dealer wants to profit, Comte said.

If some Colorado drug dealers have lost business to legal retailers, some also have made up for it by transporting weed to other states.

A Lakewood man was arrested in March after postal inspectors intercepted a package he was mailing containing a pound of pot. Drug task force officers who later searched his home found scores of gallon-sized bags of marijuana and 76 plants.

http://www.pressherald.com/news/nationworld/Illegal_pot_still_a_problem_for_Colorado.html

[boutons_deux]

"Student's death in Colorado raises questions on marijuana and health (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231294&p=7236063)"


no, it doesn't


but

16K dead per year via prescription drugs, esp hillbilly heroin, "raises questions on prescription drugs and health (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231294&p=7236063)"

and 1000s more maimed or dead with OTC drugs.

[SnakeBoy]

"Student's death in Colorado raises questions on marijuana and health (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231294&p=7236063)"


no, it doesn't


but

16K dead per year via prescription drugs, esp hillbilly heroin, "raises questions on prescription drugs and health (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231294&p=7236063)"

and 1000s more maimed or dead with OTC drugs.

Do you have a take on the two issues the articles discuss? Big Pharma wasn't one of them.

Has Colorado made a mistake by allowing the sale of high potency marijuana ingestibles? I think yes. Unlike smoking pot, ingesting it doesn't give you immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. By the time you figure out you're way too fucked up it's too late.

Has Colorado made a mistake by viewing legalization as a cash cow and taxing the hell out of pot? Continuing demand in the black market.

[boutons_deux]

CO has legalized and taxed the hell out of alcohol, and students binge themselves to death on it. and snakeboy has nothing to say.


http://compelledtoact.com/Tragic_listing/Main_listing_victims.htm

[SnakeBoy]

CO has legalized and taxed the hell out of alcohol, and students binge themselves to death on it. and snakeboy has nothing to say.


http://compelledtoact.com/Tragic_listing/Main_listing_victims.htm

You could have just said no.

[boutons_deux]

several 100 families have moved to CO to obtain mj for their kids

people are stupid, esp college kids who to college to party and get a shitty degree, and $30K in debt. people die from overdosing on water.

this one death should, as the French say ironically, "encouragez les autres", encourge the others to Get Smart, esp the assholes who make tasty, hi potency candy.

[SnakeBoy]

several 100 families have moved to CO to obtain mj for their kids

people are stupid, esp college kids who to college to party and get a shitty degree, and $30K in debt. people die from overdosing on water.

this one death should, as the French say ironically, "encouragez les autres", encourge the others to Get Smart, esp the assholes who make tasty, hi potency candy.

All irrelevant points. Colorado is the model by which legalization will be judged. If they are not smart about how they implement/regulate legalization it will defeat any further legalization efforts permanently. Dead kids and continued marijuana related crimes will provide perfect fodder for those who oppose legalization.

[boutons_deux]

All irrelevant points. Colorado is the model by which legalization will be judged. If they are not smart about how they implement/regulate legalization it will defeat any further legalization efforts permanently. Dead kids and continued marijuana related crimes will provide perfect fodder for those who oppose legalization.

one death by stupid student doesn't stop widepread ACCEPTANCE of medical mj, and somewhat less widespread acceptance of decriminalization.

yes, garbage like Fox and all the Christian tele-evangelists and Christian hustler organizations will blow this up. I expect Santorum to say mj causes man-on-dog sex.

[TSA]

Edibles are no joke. I've got a bunch of cookies sitting in my fridge that I really don't think will be eaten.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you have a take on the two issues the articles discuss? Big Pharma wasn't one of them.

Has Colorado made a mistake by allowing the sale of high potency marijuana ingestibles? I think yes. Unlike smoking pot, ingesting it doesn't give you immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. By the time you figure out you're way too fucked up it's too late.How many deaths in the history of ingestibles overall?

Is it comparable to alcohol related deaths?

Has Colorado made a mistake by allowing the sale of high potency alcohol ingestibles?

[spurraider21]

For the record, I'm all for mj legalization, and I've never bothered smoking it. But the argument that "well other legal drugs have killed" is weak. Two wrongs don't make a right. Argue the issue on-hand

[SnakeBoy]

How many deaths in the history of ingestibles overall?


Read the article.


Is it comparable to alcohol related deaths?

Has Colorado made a mistake by allowing the sale of high potency alcohol ingestibles?

The legal status of alcohol is not in question. Alcohol content is regulated. Ingesting alcohol gives immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. If you chug a quart of vodka you don't have to wait 30 minutes to know if you've drank too much.

All of which make the alcohol comparison irrelevant to the topic. Topic is marijuana, specifically edibles.

[SnakeBoy]

Concentrated marijuana under review in Colorado

DENVER — When people buy marijuana from a store in Colorado, the ounce they can walk out the door with is fairly easy to measure. Not so when the pot is in concentrated form, perhaps baked into a cookie or brownie.

The state could soon address that issue with a bill pending in the House.

“An ounce of concentrate is a significant amount — it’s probably close to about 10 times the amount that you would have in an ounce of the flowers,” said Democratic Rep. Jonathan Singer, who is co-sponsoring a bill that directs the state Department of Revenue to determine how much concentrated pot is equal to an ounce of leafy pot.

To put the difference between flower marijuana and concentrated pot in further context, Singer noted that “an ounce of concentrate would last most medical marijuana patients probably pretty close to a year.”

Colorado currently allows adults older than 21 to possess an ounce of marijuana for recreational use, but the legalization amendment that voters approved in 2012 makes no distinction between leafy green pot flowers or highly concentrated hash oil used to make pot-infused edibles.

Washington state, the only other state with legal recreational pot, already has limits of less than an ounce for hash oil, 16 ounces of pot food, and 72 fluid ounces of weed drinks.

Colorado’s marijuana industry agrees there should be equivalency standards,and sent a letter a couple of weeks ago to the revenue department requesting as much. But Mike Elliott, executive director of the Marijuana Industry Group, said it will be a complicated process and that it’s unclear right now what the equivalency standards should be.

“It’s kind of like asking a question that doesn’t have an answer,” he said.

Singer’s bill comes amid isolated reports of children eating cookies or brownies containing concentrated hash oil.

Just last month, a Wyoming college student visiting Denver on spring break jumped to his death after eating a marijuana cookie. There was no indication how strong the cookie was, but the death stoked fears that concentrated marijuana products can be used to create large amounts of edible pot.

With the bill, Singer said lawmakers are also trying to stop the potential for people to illegally move pot out of state.

“The best way to have marijuana leave the state if I was a bad actor, if someone’s a bad actor in this, is they wouldn’t take the flowers out, or the bud out, they would take the concentrate out,” he said.

[SnakeBoy]

For the record, I'm all for mj legalization, and I've never bothered smoking it. But the argument that "well other legal drugs have killed" is weak. Two wrongs don't make a right. Argue the issue on-hand

I'm for it as well. Anyone who has done both knows that alcohol and marijuana are two entirely different animals and will need very different regulation.

[Blake]

Read the article.



The legal status of alcohol is not in question. Alcohol content is regulated. Ingesting alcohol gives immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. If you chug a quart of vodka you don't have to wait 30 minutes to know if you've drank too much.

All of which make the alcohol comparison irrelevant to the topic. Topic is marijuana, specifically edibles.

if you're buzzing from the quart of vodka, how are you able to determine that you need to stop drinking?

[SnakeBoy]

if you're buzzing from the quart of vodka, how are you able to determine that you need to stop drinking?

Try chugging a quart and let us know.

[MannyIsGod]

Do you have a take on the two issues the articles discuss? Big Pharma wasn't one of them.

Has Colorado made a mistake by allowing the sale of high potency marijuana ingestibles? I think yes. Unlike smoking pot, ingesting it doesn't give you immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. By the time you figure out you're way too fucked up it's too late.

Has Colorado made a mistake by viewing legalization as a cash cow and taxing the hell out of pot? Continuing demand in the black market.

AFAIK, this is actually true. But people can OD on lots of things that can be bought over the counter. Tylenol, for example.

[MannyIsGod]

For the record, I'm all for mj legalization, and I've never bothered smoking it. But the argument that "well other legal drugs have killed" is weak. Two wrongs don't make a right. Argue the issue on-hand

Its not about making a right - its about pointing out that you can't help people who do stupid things and don't follow proper directions.

In other words, you can't save an idiot from himself.

[SnakeBoy]

AFAIK, this is actually true. But people can OD on lots of things that can be bought over the counter. Tylenol, for example.

The amount of acetaminophen in Tylenol is regulated. Would anyone support acetaminophen brownies being sold with no regulation of how much acetaminophen was in that brownie.

[SnakeBoy]

Its not about making a right - its about pointing out that you can't help people who do stupid things and don't follow proper directions.

In other words, you can't save an idiot from himself.

When did you become a libertarian?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Read the article.



The legal status of alcohol is not in question. Alcohol content is regulated. Ingesting alcohol gives immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. If you chug a quart of vodka you don't have to wait 30 minutes to know if you've drank too much.

All of which make the alcohol comparison irrelevant to the topic. Topic is marijuana, specifically edibles.

Actually substance abuse in general is a portion of the topic and the relative harm is very much a subject. The relative number of health problems associated with the drug is important. Just ignoring its relative impact so you can hand wave over some kid being stupid is what is asinine.

[pgardn]

Alcohol is by far the most widespread drug problem. Broken people, broken jobs, broken families. It's a massive socially acceptable mess.

Lets go stomp the microbrew...

[MannyIsGod]

The amount of acetaminophen in Tylenol is regulated. Would anyone support acetaminophen brownies being sold with no regulation of how much acetaminophen was in that brownie.

Sure, in a tablet/capsul or whatever. But what about in a bottle?

[spurraider21]

Its not about making a right - its about pointing out that you can't help people who do stupid things and don't follow proper directions.

In other words, you can't save an idiot from himself.
I know. I was trying to draw that out of Croutons

[MannyIsGod]

When did you become a libertarian?

Ha. I've always had this stance on things of this nature you just haven't paid much attention.

[pgardn]

Its not about making a right - its about pointing out that you can't help people who do stupid things and don't follow proper directions.

In other words, you can't save an idiot from himself.

This is where democrats and boots get themselves into a mess. Who needs help and who does not give a shit...

[SnakeBoy]

Sure, in a tablet/capsul or whatever. But what about in a bottle?

It's regulated in all forms.

[Blake]

Try chugging a quart and let us know.

I don't need to know chug a quart to know that binge drinking to the point of overdose is an issue that's constantly brought up on college campuses, which implies that plenty of kids don't know when to stop.

I don't think death by edible marijuana is going to deter policy makers from passing future legalization legislation as you claim it might.

[SnakeBoy]

Ha. I've always had this stance on things of this nature you just haven't paid much attention.

True.

I have noticed that those (not necessarily you) who favor strict regulation on many many things suddenly oppose regulation when it comes to getting high.

[pgardn]

It's regulated in all forms.

The point is you can regulate all you want, it can still be abused.
And you know this.

Other than that, legal sales do need to have proper info for the consumer just like alcohol.

[TSA]

How many in this thread have actually tried edibles?

[ChumpDumper]

Read the article.So, one according to the article..




The legal status of alcohol is not in question.Neither is the legal status of THC here.
Alcohol content is regulated. Ingesting alcohol gives immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. If you chug a quart of vodka you don't have to wait 30 minutes to know if you've drank too much.

All of which make the alcohol comparison irrelevant to the topic. Topic is marijuana, specifically edibles.Of course it's relevant. both are legal and the content of both drugs in their ingestible form are regulated. If you ingest too much of either, bad things could happen -- but the things that happen with binge drinking are much more commonly worse than those that can happen with THC.

[ChumpDumper]

The amount of acetaminophen in Tylenol is regulated. Would anyone support acetaminophen brownies being sold with no regulation of how much acetaminophen was in that brownie.You should read the article you posted. The amount per serving is regulated.

Don't take a bottle of Tylenol at once.

Don't drink a quart of vodka at once.

Don't eat a tray of hash brownies at once.

What is the difference?

Oh right, the first two can flat out kill you chemically.

[SnakeBoy]

The point is you can regulate all you want, it can still be abused.
And you know this.


I know that the point Manny was trying to make but that was not the point.



Other than that, legal sales do need to have proper info for the consumer just like alcohol.

That's closer to the point. However there is still the issue of what is reasonable. It would not be reasonable for Tylenol to put a lethal dose of acetaminophen in a single capsule as long as they warn people it is lethal. As I understand it, under Colorado law there is no regulation of how powerful a pot cookie can be, only how many cookies you can buy. It is reasonable to hold the individual accountable for eating a dozen pot cookies at once, put the same amount of THC in one cookie and that becomes an unreasonable product to be selling legally imo.

On one of the documentaries I've seen on Colorado's experiment the manufacturer was bragging that if someone drank one of his pot soft drinks before they went skiing they would never be able to get off the ski lift...this is not good for the legalization effort.

[SnakeBoy]

How many in this thread have actually tried edibles?

Apparently they never have. I guess that's why they are trying to make stupid analogies. It doesn't take a genius to know that when pot is available to the general public people who have never done it are most likely to try edibles first and they are going to fuck themselves up without even knowing what's about to happen to them...but there can't be any policy implications in that right?

Just let us get HIGH!

[SnakeBoy]

You should read the article you posted. The amount per serving is regulated.

Don't take a bottle of Tylenol at once.

Don't drink a quart of vodka at once.

Don't eat a tray of hash brownies at once.

What is the difference?

Oh right, the first two can flat out kill you chemically.

I did read the article. I got sidetracked responding to the dumb analogies you guys were throwing out. The original point is edibles need greater regulation and pose a threat to further legalization efforts. You can disagree but more of this will happen...just wait and see.

[ChumpDumper]

I did read the article. I got sidetracked responding to the dumb analogies you guys were throwing out. The original point is edibles need greater regulation and pose a threat to further legalization efforts. You can disagree but more of this will happen...just wait and see.What nanny state regulation are you calling for?

And more what?

More deaths? How many deaths from edibles were there before this one when edibles were completely unregulated?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

True.

I have noticed that those (not necessarily you) who favor strict regulation on many many things suddenly oppose regulation when it comes to getting high.

Regulating the potency makes sense. But is this a case where the brownies that were eaten were indeed too potent? There seems to be quite a presumption of cause.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Moreso then the potency is the labeling, kids being what they are. That type of regulation is done by the FDA and the department of health and human services. They need to change the scheduling of the drug and treat it like caffeine and an age limit.

if not then the state needs to get involved and create their own institutions modeled after the FDA. Merge them with the vice agencies like TABC here in Texas. There are easy tried and true solutions for these issues.

[SnakeBoy]

Regulating the potency makes sense. But is this a case where the brownies that were eaten were indeed too potent? There seems to be quite a presumption of cause.

The original point was that the nature of edibles poses a bigger problem. I don't like edibles but when I've done them it takes around an 1 1/2 hours for me to feel any effect. Now you offer these products to the general public, people who have never done pot, and some of them are going to try one, no effect, try another, no effect....then bad things can happen. I'm quite sure trial lawyers will eventually have fun going after BIG POT.

[SnakeBoy]

What nanny state regulation are you calling for?

And more what?

More deaths? How many deaths from edibles were there before this one when edibles were completely unregulated?

You're acting like I'm making an anti legalization argument. I'm not. What I am saying is that edibles pose a big problem...I've posted two articles showing the Colorado legislature agrees. I don't know what the answer is...edibles are going to fuck some people up...and that has policy implications.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How many in this thread have actually tried edibles?

I used to grow pot and we would take all of the trimmings and put them in an old washing machine box. We would take that when it filled up and steep/sautee it in various oils. olive, peanut, butter, etc. I had a steady stream of mason jars of butter in the fridge. breakfast was always awesome.

[SnakeBoy]

Imagine if vodka were made with a delayed fuse so you could drink for a couple of hours with no effect and then BOOM you get the full effect. Now make it a sweet tasty delicious vodka with a delayed fuse...that's edible pot.

[ChumpDumper]

You're acting like I'm making an anti legalization argument. I'm not.I never said you were. you are calling for nanny state legislation for edibles.
What I am saying is that edibles pose a big problem...I've posted two articles showing the Colorado legislature agrees. I don't know what the answer is...edibles are going to fuck some people up...and that has policy implications.Again, I ask you how many deaths were due to edibles when they were completely unregulated?

1000?

10,000?

100,000?

[pgardn]

I know that the point Manny was trying to make but that was not the point.



That's closer to the point. However there is still the issue of what is reasonable. It would not be reasonable for Tylenol to put a lethal dose of acetaminophen in a single capsule as long as they warn people it is lethal. As I understand it, under Colorado law there is no regulation of how powerful a pot cookie can be, only how many cookies you can buy. It is reasonable to hold the individual accountable for eating a dozen pot cookies at once, put the same amount of THC in one cookie and that becomes an unreasonable product to be selling legally imo.

On one of the documentaries I've seen on Colorado's experiment the manufacturer was bragging that if someone drank one of his pot soft drinks before they went skiing they would never be able to get off the ski lift...this is not good for the legalization effort.

You did try to make the point of regulation by using Tylenol, which can still be abused even if regulated. Same with pot and THC. Yes it needs to be regulated. But using the ingestible argument like pot is of particular interest compared to other drugs... It is not. Perhaps even less so.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The original point was that the nature of edibles poses a bigger problem. I don't like edibles but when I've done them it takes around an 1 1/2 hours for me to feel any effect. Now you offer these products to the general public, people who have never done pot, and some of them are going to try one, no effect, try another, no effect....then bad things can happen. I'm quite sure trial lawyers will eventually have fun going after BIG POT.

It takes a little bit longer then alcohol but not much but yes there is a delay of varying lengths.

There is no evidence that what you claim is a possibility in the case of the OP. It's the foundation of the point but the first sentence of the second paragraph:


No one is sure how much Thamba ate of the marijuana cookie purchased by one of his friends at a local pot shop.

It was one cookie and they do not know how much if any he ate. In your experiences of eating too much pot you didn't jump out of a window. That leads to the next question: what bad things? If you are trying to claim that eating pot makes you kill yourself then I am not buying it. Also Colorado has age limits, it's not available to the general public. Mass production requires a license as well.

[SnakeBoy]

I used to grow pot and we would take all of the trimmings and put them in an old washing machine box. We would take that when it filled up and steep/sautee it in various oils. olive, peanut, butter, etc. I had a steady stream of mason jars of butter in the fridge. breakfast was always awesome.

It's not an issue for potheads...now your offering these products to the general public. It's not going to take much bad press to get the federal govt and politicians of all stripes to give up on this experiment.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Imagine if vodka were made with a delayed fuse so you could drink for a couple of hours with no effect and then BOOM you get the full effect. Now make it a sweet tasty delicious vodka with a delayed fuse...that's edible pot.

This is dumb. Unless you are giving yourself a vodka enema it takes time to metabolize alcohol too. I get that you are trolling but this is especially stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

Imagine if vodka were made with a delayed fuse so you could drink for a couple of hours with no effect and then BOOM you get the full effect. Now make it a sweet tasty delicious vodka with a delayed fuse...that's edible pot.Imagine if edible pot got you high quickly, then you kept eating it at a high rate for a couple of hours and it just fucking killed you.

Then it would be like vodka.

[ChumpDumper]

It's not an issue for potheads...now your offering these products to the general public. It's not going to take much bad press to get the federal govt and politicians of all stripes to give up on this experiment.So what is that number of deaths from unregulated edible marijuana again?

[pgardn]

Imagine if edible pot got you high quickly, then you kept eating it at a high rate for a couple of hours and it just fucking killed you.

Then it would be like vodka.

Alcohol poisoning is much more of a real problem. He apparently has never heard of it. That it can't happen, boom!
It can.

[SnakeBoy]

So what is that number of deaths from unregulated edible marijuana again?

I'm not going to play your dumb game Chump. If you and others want to believe it's clear sailing for the legalization of marijuana enjoy your fantasy.

[SnakeBoy]

Alcohol poisoning is much more of a real problem. He apparently has never heard of it. That it can't happen, boom!
It can.

Again, alcohol is firmly established as a legal product. That makes the analogies irrelevant.

[pgardn]

I'm not going to play your dumb game Chump. If you and others want to believe it's clear sailing for the legalization of marijuana enjoy your fantasy.

Its hardly clear sailing...

For Texas, no way.

And I totally accept the point that pot needs to be labeled like other products. Some sort of THC conc. made clear to the consumer.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Again, alcohol is firmly established as a legal product. That makes the analogies irrelevant.

More stupidity. We are talking about a test policy. It's also an intoxicant. Alcohol at one point was illegal and was then made legal. The relative health impact to firmly established legal products is especially telling.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not going to play your dumb game Chump. If you and others want to believe it's clear sailing for the legalization of marijuana enjoy your fantasy.I never said it was.

I looked up the answer since you are afraid to.

The total number of deaths from unregulated edible marijuana in the history of the United States is......

0

(zero)

The number of deaths in the single year 2010 directly attributable to alcohol....

25,692

(twenty-five thousand, six hundred ninety-two)

I'm sure someone will try to make political hay out of this one dudes death. I'm merely saying it's the stupidest thing over which to make political hay, comparatively speaking.

[ChumpDumper]

Again, alcohol is firmly established as a legal product. That makes the analogies irrelevant.Unless you are making the analogies, that is.

[pgardn]

Again, alcohol is firmly established as a legal product. That makes the analogies irrelevant.

Its legal because it's socially acceptable. You mean you have never troubled yourself enough to ask why alcohol is and pot is not? Well now it looks like pot is becoming socially acceptable in some states. So there you go. This firmly established crap...

Lovey to Thurston: Dear, let's go have a nightcap. And the adults laughed.The conservative adults could have that martini at night, but bong it up... Dear, dear... That's like...like... Woodstock!

[SnakeBoy]

More stupidity. We are talking about a test policy. It's also an intoxicant. Alcohol at one point was illegal and was then made legal. The relative health impact to firmly established legal products is especially telling.

I posted articles about the challenges the legalization effort faces (which I support). If they response from the legalization crowd in general is...duh What about alcohol...duh What about Tylenol...duh You can OD on water...Oh yeah personal responsibility... then the future of marijuana legalization is bleak. Amazing, it's a political forum and none of you can acknowledge the political challenges the legalization of marijuana faces.

[ChumpDumper]

I think the basic common sense that got pot legalized in the first place will eventually win out.

And that will involve comparisons to drugs like alcohol and OTC pain relievers.

[SnakeBoy]

Unless you are making the analogies, that is.

Ya'll started with the analogies.

Too bad you can't discuss political issues on a political forum.

WhooHoo!!! We all gonna be allowed to get high someday.

[ChumpDumper]

And I haven't ingested or smoked pot in a long, long time.

Nor would I plan on starting were it legalized.

[SnakeBoy]

I think the basic common sense that got pot legalized in the first place will eventually win out.


Then I think you don't grasp politics.

[ChumpDumper]

Ya'll started with the analogies.And you tried to say they didn't count before and after making your own analogy.


Too bad you can't discuss political issues on a political forum.We are.


WhooHoo!!! We all gonna be allowed to get high someday.See above.

[pgardn]

I posted articles about the challenges the legalization effort faces (which I support). If they response from the legalization crowd in general is...duh What about alcohol...duh What about Tylenol...duh You can OD on water...Oh yeah personal responsibility... then the future of marijuana legalization is bleak. Amazing, it's a political forum and none of you can acknowledge the political challenges the legalization of marijuana faces.

It does face difficulty.

The question is why? In order to ascertain why, one might look at social norms and the history of other drugs that have been abused. One chemical that we will not look at is cyanide. One chemical we will look at is ethanol.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

[ChumpDumper]

Then I think you don't grasp politics.
I said eventually.

People will see that thousands per year are dying from alcohol while none are dying from pot.

Just like people are seeing that the gays are not destroying straight marriage.

Just like people saw that whatever they thought was going to happen by drinking from an integrated water fountain didn't happen.(what did they think would happen, anyway?).

I know politics is made to take advantage of the fears of idiots. I also know that it doesn't have to be like that forever.

[SnakeBoy]

People will see that thousands per year are dying from alcohol while none are dying from pot.


Well one did.

And don't forget about the children.


There already are incidences of young children ingesting edible marijuana. Even before passage of the legalization initiative, at least 14 children who had ingested marijuana went to the emergency room at Children's Hospital Colorado between 2009 and 2011, according to a study reported in the Journal of the American Medical Assn.

All were under 12; one was 8 months old. Two of the children ended up in the intensive care unit. Symptoms ranged from sleepiness to coma.

In the four years prior, before medical marijuana use in the state skyrocketed, there were no such cases.





What about the children always works come election time.

It's funny, I post two articles in which show that Colorado politicians (you know the ones who legalized marijuana) are saying that edibles are posing a problem and the response is "Oh no it isn't".

[SnakeBoy]

Does anyone have any thoughts on how edibles should be handled policy wise or is stick your head in the sand the ST consensus?

[SnakeBoy]

Does anyone have any thoughts on how edibles should be handled policy wise or is stick your head in the sand the ST consensus?

Let's keep score. So far we have...

1.) Attack Big Pharma
2.) compare to alcohol
3.) compare to Tylenol
4.) Talk about personal responsibility

Did I miss any?

[ChumpDumper]

Well one did.

It's funny, I post two articles in which show that Colorado politicians (you know the ones who legalized marijuana) are saying that edibles are posing a problem and the response is "Oh no it isn't".Show me where I said it won't be used as a political football to pander to idiots.

I said that's exactly what will happen.

Do you think it is as stupid as I do or are you just refusing to have an opinion?

[ChumpDumper]

Let's keep score. So far we have...

1.) Attack Big Pharma
2.) compare to alcohol
3.) compare to Tylenol
4.) Talk about personal responsibility

Did I miss any?Yeah, you missed caveat emptor.

I asked you directly what nanny state law you wanted to see; You started beating up straw men.

[SnakeBoy]

Yeah, you missed caveat emptor.

I asked you directly what nanny state law you wanted to see; You started beating up straw men.

I already said I think Colorado has made a mistake legalizing edibles.

I also think they made a mistake levying such high taxes on marijuana.

Both pose a threat to further legalization efforts imo.

Do you have any thoughts on how edibles should be handled policy wise?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I posted articles about the challenges the legalization effort faces (which I support). If they response from the legalization crowd in general is...duh What about alcohol...duh What about Tylenol...duh You can OD on water...Oh yeah personal responsibility... then the future of marijuana legalization is bleak. Amazing, it's a political forum and none of you can acknowledge the political challenges the legalization of marijuana faces.

Are you going to discuss that the case in your OP might not have been even related to marijuana? You keep ignoring that.

When we try to quantify the negative effect by talking death numbers you don't want to talk about it.

What bad things? Are you claiming that this case is an example? Do you have something else to point to?

I know in your mind you are trying to provoke people into hypocrisy or whatever rationalization you really have for your trolling but your tactic here is stupid. You post an OP whose example is bad and are unable to come up with any examples on your own. Keep up the good work!

This line of argument you are trying has actually been countered in the public debate. The best you can come up with is an anecdote and are afraid to discuss marijuana related deaths but the annual drunk driving fatalities are staggering and well documented. The voters responded to the argument. Bluster away but it is what it is.

[Th'Pusher]

:lol WildSnakeBoy

[DeadlyDynasty]

Edibles are no joke. I've got a bunch of cookies sitting in my fridge that I really don't think will be eaten.
Send them my way...haven't smoked in years but I'd be down for a 12-hour buzz

[ChumpDumper]

I already said I think Colorado has made a mistake legalizing edibles.

I also think they made a mistake levying such high taxes on marijuana.

Both pose a threat to further legalization efforts imo.

Do you have any thoughts on how edibles should be handled policy wise?You don't have any. Are you asking me for ideas?

Sure. Label edibles. The labels should say "Memba what happened to that African dude? Det was fucked up, right? Don't eat too much or you probably won't die like him."

Play with the tax rate. Wow. People get killed over black market cigarettes and booze too (oh noes! a comparison! irrelevant!).

What do you suggest?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol snakeboy
:lol jeebotards who still think weed should be illegal

[SnakeBoy]

I know in your mind you are trying to provoke people into hypocrisy or whatever rationalization you really have for your trolling but your tactic here is stupid. You post an OP whose example is bad and are unable to come up with any examples on your own. Keep up the good work!


Sadly, I wasn't trolling. Doesn't happen often but occasionally I forget rational discussion is impossible on this forum.

Check post number #14 if you think this is a non issue.

[SnakeBoy]

Sure. Label edibles. The labels should say "Memba what happened to that African dude? Det was fucked up, right? Don't eat too much or you probably won't die like him."


You and boutons should learn to just answer no when you have no answer.

[SnakeBoy]

:lol snakeboy
:lol jeebotards who still think weed should be illegal

^ didn't read the thread

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

For the record, I'm all for mj legalization, and I've never bothered smoking it. But the argument that "well other legal drugs have killed" is weak. Two wrongs don't make a right. Argue the issue on-hand

:lol right wing retards can't help themselves from arguing against legalization

[ChumpDumper]

You and boutons should learn to just answer no when you have no answer.That is my answer tbh. Stupid labels that don't really mean anything.

I still have yet to read your suggestion.

Why are you stalling?

[spurraider21]

:lol right wing retards can't help themselves from arguing against legalization
Yeah I really don't get it. Right wingers hate regulation, preach that people should take care of themselves, family values, etc (some of which I actually take to heart) but then are anti-legalization. I just don't get it

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah I really don't get it. Right wingers hate regulation, preach that people should take care of themselves, family values, etc (some of which I actually take to heart) but then are anti-legalization. I just don't get it

:lol are you trying to imply right wingers aren't anti-legalization?

[spurraider21]

:lol are you trying to imply right wingers aren't anti-legalization?
I have no clue how you are reaching that conclusion. I literally flat out stated that right wingers ARE anti-legalization. Couldn't be much clearer tbh. Maybe I should spend the next 30 minutes spamming jpegs of reading comprehension books... That'll show you

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I have no clue how you are reaching that conclusion. I literally flat out states that right wingers ARE anti-legalization. Couldn't be much clearer tbh

I thought you were being sarcastic as a response to me making fun of your statement about two wrongs that made no sense.

As for what you don't get, it's pretty simple. Right wingers are hypocrites who only preach anti-regulation and individual rights when it's convenient for them. Not too hard to observe.

[spurraider21]

I thought you were being sarcastic as a response to me making fun of your statement about two wrongs that made no sense.

As for what you don't get, it's pretty simple. Right wingers are hypocrites who only preach anti-regulation and individual rights when it's convenient for them. Not too hard to observe.
Nah, wasn't bein sarcastic. I stated in my first post that I'm pro legalization. I just think there should be better rationale than "but but other drugs kill too." I don't pigeonhole myself as left or right wing... My views are radically mixed from topic to topic. Liberals I talk to call me a fox loving republican, conservatives I talk to think I'm a typical liberal university Colbert worshipper. I guess the closest thing would be libertarian, but I'm hesitant to attach myself to a party. The party system is complete ass

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Nah, wasn't bein sarcastic. I stated in my first post that I'm pro legalization. I just think there should be better rationale than "but but other drugs kill too." I don't pigeonhole myself as left or right wing... My views are radically mixed from topic to topic. Liberals I talk to call me a fox loving republican, conservatives I talk to think I'm a typical liberal university Colbert worshipper. I guess the closest thing would be libertarian, but I'm hesitant to attach myself to a party. The party system is complete ass

Do you agree that the burden should be on the side that wants to make something illegal? If so, that's why "but but other drugs kill too" is a legitimate argument.

The fact alcohol kills thousands of people a year isn't enough of a reason to make it illegal, which means the fact some dumb nig threw himself off a balcony isn't a reason weed should be illegal :lol

[spurraider21]

Do you agree that the burden should be on the side that wants to make something illegal? If so, that's why "but but other drugs kill too" is a legitimate argument.

The fact alcohol kills thousands of people a year isn't enough of a reason to make it illegal, which means the fact some dumb nig threw himself off a balcony isn't a reason weed should be illegal :lol
I think the burden originally was on the party that wanted to make it illegal. Typically the burden should be on the side trying to pass a bill, which in this case was the legalization. I agree with your premise though

[spurraider21]

IMO ideally you start out with everything being legal and working backwards from there, but that isn't the case

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I think the burden originally was on the party that wanted to make it illegal. Typically the burden should be on the side trying to pass a bill, which in this case was the legalization. I agree with your premise though

The burden automatically being on the side trying to pass the bill is why we have prehistoric laws that won't go away. Just because something is tradition doesn't mean it should be what we default to.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sadly, I wasn't trolling. Doesn't happen often but occasionally I forget rational discussion is impossible on this forum.

Check post number #14 if you think this is a non issue.

I have been talking about labeling, age limits, and concentration limits all being good ideas. Of course it's an issue.

You are still ignoring that your supposed fatality was bullshit. You are still glossing it over. You still do not want to talk about actual health impact. Your right sensible discussion is impossible when dealing with such.

Your article in post 14 was about the sensible food and drug safety regulations. It was not about the repeal of the law.

If there is a rash of provable pot related deaths or a marked increase in crime then you can argue your point but an immigrant suicide without known cause is weak.

[spurraider21]

The burden automatically being on the side trying to pass the bill is why we have prehistoric laws that won't go away. Just because something is tradition doesn't mean it should be what we default to.
Has it's drawbacks, sure, but a system of stability will have the side effect of also being static at times

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://rt.com/usa/colorado-crime-change-legalization-study-017/


The Colorado Department of Public Safety released data through the end of February indicating that not only has the doomsday scenario that law enforcement officials predicted not come true, but crime has fallen by significant margins.

Compared to the same time period in 2013, overall property crime fell by 14.6 percent in Denver. Homicide rates, while not leaving the single digits in either year, fell by 66.7 percent while the number of robberies decreased by seven percent. Other violent offenses have remained consistent or increased.

Authorities have admitted that the two-month sample size is far too small to be conclusive, although the signs are encouraging after fears that Denver would descend into a metropolitan hellscape if cannabis were to become legal for residents over 18 years old.

Crime is down in Colorado so far.

[TSA]

Send them my way...haven't smoked in years but I'd be down for a 12-hour buzz

Any time you're in San Diego hit me up. I've got about 15 sticks of butter I made as well sitting in the freezer. Edibles are too much for me tbh, at least how I make them.

[pgardn]

So weed is so terribly different there is no reason to compare it to the history of other drugs in the US and the legalization of such drugs because...

when I ingested THC it took a while before the full effects were noticed, wham...



This is how I read your thoughts. Please correct if inaccurate.
If you don't compare weed to other drugs why don't you, what makes weed so special?
Oh it's illegal NOW in many States... Ask yourself why?

Jesus...

[SnakeBoy]

You are still ignoring that your supposed fatality was bullshit. You are still glossing it over. You still do not want to talk about actual health impact. Your right sensible discussion is impossible when dealing with such.

Your article in post 14 was about the sensible food and drug safety regulations. It was not about the repeal of the law.


:rolleyes You still think the topic is a black dude that jumped off a balcony, it's not. No one has talked about repealing the law (legalization). I can't think of a regular poster who doesn't support legalization, including myself.








Let's try again since I am interested in others thoughts. Hopefully this is simple enough for people to grasp (excluding Fuzzy, he'll never get past the black guy jumping off the balcony)......

Do YOU THINK that Colorado has made any mistakes in implementing the legalization of marijuana that could be detrimental to advancing the legalization of marijuana OR do you think it is a model that other states will be encouraged to follow as well as leading to legalization at the federal level.

I THINK it was a mistake to legalize edibles for various reasons that have been mentioned and are discuss in the posted articles. I don't know how to fix the edibles issues once the mistake of legalizing them has been made, too much money at stake. I don't THINK a label that says "Don't get too high" and another that says "Children this is a tasty and delicious but don't eat it" will suffice.

I THINK the excessive taxes levied against marijuana is also a mistake. In theory lowering the taxes to make illegal sales less attractive is a simple fix but politically lowering taxes is far more difficult than raising them once local governments become dependent on those revenues.

I THINK both of these mistakes can possibly hinder future legalization efforts.

[pgardn]

Other States will learn from Colorado's mistakes.

What the hell am I reading, the title of the OP and the first remarks indicate you have changed the path of this discussion.

[SnakeBoy]

What the hell am I reading, the title of the OP and the first remarks indicate you have changed the path of this discussion.

The title of the OP is the title of the article. Common forum practice.

My first remarks...


Do you have a take on the two issues the articles discuss? Big Pharma wasn't one of them.

Has Colorado made a mistake by allowing the sale of high potency marijuana ingestibles? I think yes. Unlike smoking pot, ingesting it doesn't give you immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. By the time you figure out you're way too fucked up it's too late.

Has Colorado made a mistake by viewing legalization as a cash cow and taxing the hell out of pot? Continuing demand in the black market.


I already said I got off track responding to the "What about alcohol, Tylenol, etc. etc." questions.

[SnakeBoy]

Other States will learn from Colorado's mistakes.


Perhaps but the anti legalization crowd is pretty powerful nationally. They aren't going to distinguish between edibles and pot in their propaganda. I wouldn't be so confident that politicians in other states or are at the national level will be willing to risk supporting legalization if Colorado screws this up.

[Th'Pusher]

Perhaps but the anti legalization crowd is pretty powerful nationally. They aren't going to distinguish between edibles and pot in their propaganda. I wouldn't be so confident that politicians in other states or are at the national level will be willing to risk supporting legalization if Colorado screws this up.
You're paranoid. Maybe you should lay off the grass...

[pgardn]

Perhaps but the anti legalization crowd is pretty powerful nationally. They aren't going to distinguish between edibles and pot in their propaganda. I wouldn't be so confident that politicians in other states or are at the national level will be willing to risk supporting legalization if Colorado screws this up.

Its hard to tell. I just know Texas will keep the beer, jeans and redneck for a while. No self respecting redneck is gonna want that hippie ass weed. It's a cultural decision as much as it is about making mistakes imo. If you have dip and Wild Turkey there is no need for any other plant product. Damn sissy drug,
This drug use goes through cycles as well. Nicotine from Pipes is not cool right now but females smoking that fat cigar like an old white guy is.

California has to be full ahead. Watch and wait. In the long run I think it's here to stay.

[pgardn]

You're paranoid. Maybe you should lay off the grass...

Its better than him getting drunk and wanting to fight everyone.

I prefer the laid back weed druggie, as opposed to the sloppy, up chuck, ethanol druggie.

[Kool Bob Love]

Story reminds me of this.


http://youtu.be/3ULYdgMug8k

[SnakeBoy]

You're paranoid. Maybe you should lay off the grass...

I am on this topic but it's not from smoking weed. Stopped liking it 20 years ago. I'd like to see marijuana legalized nationally or at a minimum decriminalized. It was the topic of my senior research paper in high school 29 years ago. The pro pot crowd has always been good at screwing themselves.

There's a good show on cnbc tomorrow night called Colorado Pot Rush.

Here's a segment on one of the 'potrepreneurs'
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101445550

These people aren't trying to sell pot to pot smokers, they want to expand the market and edibles is the way to do that. The green they're after isn't pot and I won't be shocked if they take down the whole legalization effort in their quest to get the green. It's not just wall street that does dumb things chasing money.

[pgardn]

The pro pot crowd is a lot bigger than 29 years ago when weed was supposed to make you grow an extra arm to shoot heroin into. This is not that generation.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:rolleyes You still think the topic is a black dude that jumped off a balcony, it's not. No one has talked about repealing the law (legalization). I can't think of a regular poster who doesn't support legalization, including myself.








Let's try again since I am interested in others thoughts. Hopefully this is simple enough for people to grasp (excluding Fuzzy, he'll never get past the black guy jumping off the balcony)......

Do YOU THINK that Colorado has made any mistakes in implementing the legalization of marijuana that could be detrimental to advancing the legalization of marijuana OR do you think it is a model that other states will be encouraged to follow as well as leading to legalization at the federal level.

I THINK it was a mistake to legalize edibles for various reasons that have been mentioned and are discuss in the posted articles. I don't know how to fix the edibles issues once the mistake of legalizing them has been made, too much money at stake. I don't THINK a label that says "Don't get too high" and another that says "Children this is a tasty and delicious but don't eat it" will suffice.

I THINK the excessive taxes levied against marijuana is also a mistake. In theory lowering the taxes to make illegal sales less attractive is a simple fix but politically lowering taxes is far more difficult than raising them once local governments become dependent on those revenues.

I THINK both of these mistakes can possibly hinder future legalization efforts.

So you want to ban hash oil. That's nice. Now what bad things have happened due to people eating hash oil products?

We will go back to the same thing. What fatalities or public health risks are there regarding eating 'edibles' do you have for us? Apparently the OP and post #14 do not have any. We are still waiting.

[Kool Bob Love]

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25532130/colorado-marijuana-tax-revenues-total-3-2-million


Colorado marijuana tax revenues total $3.2 million in February

Tax revenues from Colorado's sales of medical and recreational marijuana in February increased from the previous month, according to figures released Wednesday by the state.


Colorado collected $3.2 million in February, below the state's projection of $3.7 million but slightly above above the $2.9 million it gathered in January.


In February, Colorado collected $1.43 million from a special 10 percent sales tax on recreational marijuana, plus another $438,253 from the state's standard 2.9 percent sales tax.


The 2.9 percent sales tax on medical marijuana produced revenues of $1.02 million in February, an increase from the $913,519 collected in January and far above the $791,000 the state had projected in February.


Conversely, the state projected that the 15 percent excise tax on the sale of recreational marijuana would bring in $739,330 — the actual total was $339,615, 54 percent below expectations. The 15 percent excise tax produced $195,318 in January.


As was the case in January, Denver County generated the largest amount of tax revenue, with the 2.9 percent sales tax on medical marijuana totaling $483,432. The 2.9 percent tax on recreational pot brought in $245,709, with the 10 percent sales tax adding another $710,930.


Just a few months into the first year of legalized recreational marijuana sales, finding certainty when it comes to pot revenues has proved to be elusive. In February, Gov. John Hickenlooper's budget office predicted tax and fee revenues from marijuana would total about $134 million in the next fiscal year; however, a month later, the state's Legislative Council said the total would be half as much.


The legislature's Joint Budget Committee on Tuesday pledged to craft a bill that would force the state to wait until it had actual figures before spending the revenues from marijuana.


Natalie Mullis, chief economist for the Legislative Council, which provides the state with its revenue forecasts, said future revenues remain uncertain.


"It's impossible to know, based on these first two months, how much revenue they'll be in the future," she said. "This isn't representative of what revenues they'll be a year, or even six months from now,"

[SnakeBoy]

So you want to ban hash oil. That's nice. Now what bad things have happened due to people eating hash oil products?

We will go back to the same thing. What fatalities or public health risks are there regarding eating 'edibles' do you have for us? Apparently the OP and post #14 do not have any. We are still waiting.



(excluding Fuzzy, he'll never get past the black guy jumping off the balcony)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So snakeboy has nothing.

[ElNono]

The argument hinges entirely on education, not necessarily on regulation, IMO. If you educate people about the dangers of edibles, then people, acting in their best interest, will know they shouldn't overdo them

You will always have the idiots that think they're invincible and will eventually do stupid things, but you can't cure or regulate stupid.

[spurraider21]

if somebody is actually hell bent on going crazy with edibles, i doubt legality will stop them anyway. like nono said, if people are educated and learn the dangers of this shit, they can make well informed decisions, legal or not.

[SnakeBoy]

So snakeboy has nothing.

I've already given my take.

pgardn thinks I'm wrong and things will work themselves out in Colorado. Legit take and I hope he's right.

El Nono just gave his take.

I didn't exclude chump even though nipping at people's heels is his schtick, he is capable of giving his own take on the rare occasion he's willing to.

I specifically excluded you fuzzy because you never have your own take on anything. All you can ever do is nip at people's heels or regurgitate someone else's opinion as your own. So what's it going to be fuzzy, are you going to claim pgardn's take or El Nono's take as your own. Or are you still waiting for someone to tell you what you think.

[leemajors]

How many in this thread have actually tried edibles?

me, and unless you have had the edible in question before there is little way to judge it's potency. Even then, it's hard to judge for a newbie.

[leemajors]

Moreso then the potency is the labeling, kids being what they are. That type of regulation is done by the FDA and the department of health and human services. They need to change the scheduling of the drug and treat it like caffeine and an age limit.

if not then the state needs to get involved and create their own institutions modeled after the FDA. Merge them with the vice agencies like TABC here in Texas. There are easy tried and true solutions for these issues.

:tu

[leemajors]

Other States will learn from Colorado's mistakes.

What the hell am I reading, the title of the OP and the first remarks indicate you have changed the path of this discussion.

Yup, I believe they label edibles in Cali, but I am not sure how accurate that process is. There will be hiccups but it became legal not even 6 months ago, of course they don't have the ins and outs down pat yet. Also, this kid wasn't of legal age in the first place, was he? AFAIK it's 21 to buy pot in CO.

[SnakeBoy]

Here Fuzzy, I found your opinion for you...
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/one-death-doesnt-mean-marijuana-edibles-are-dangerous-it-means-we-need-better-education-and

[Blake]

Lol "I love you Alice B. Toklas"

I haven't seen that movie in forever.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/marijuana-edibles-harder-regulate-high/story?id=22350866

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Here Fuzzy, I found your opinion for you...
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/one-death-doesnt-mean-marijuana-edibles-are-dangerous-it-means-we-need-better-education-and

What opinion. I told you that the regulations that they were putting in appeared to be modeled after what the FDA does and as such I was fine with it.

You have repeatedly said 'bad stuff' is going to happen and I will again ask you for an example. I await for you once again to say that I don not have a take as if that makes any difference either way to begin with. You are either really stupid or trolling. You said before that you weren't trolling so I will bow to your wisdom.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would like to add while snakeboy is determined to try and pigeonhole the debate into his insipid bullshit, the national discussion as well as the discussion in Colorado. The concern is about insects and mold and not about crime and death. These are things that are easily handled by food safety measures that have been used for over a century.

The frantic reefer madness stupidity is snakeboys own.

[SnakeBoy]

I would like to add while snakeboy is determined to try and pigeonhole the debate into his insipid bullshit, the national discussion as well as the discussion in Colorado. The concern is about insects and mold and not about crime and death. These are things that are easily handled by food safety measures that have been used for over a century.

The frantic reefer madness stupidity is snakeboys own.

I'm not pigeonholing anything. I asked for opinions on how to best implement legalization in a way that leads to further legalization in other states. I gave my opinion, you don't have one. All you can do is argue the details of a particular case or pretend that nothing bad can happen from marketing edibles to first time users.

More headlines from Colorado...

Richard Kirk Ate Pot Candy Before Killing Wife Kristine Kirk in Denver
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/627393-richard-kirk-ate-pot-candy-before-killing-wife-kristine-kirk-in-denver/

Denver man consumed edible pot before killing wife, police suspect
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-colorado-edible-pot-20140417,0,4192094.story#ixzz2zGB4aTAi

Two Denver deaths tied to recreational marijuana use
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-denver-deaths-tied-to-recreational-marijuana-use/

[boutons_deux]

Expensive lessons.

But there's. No limit on much more pathogenic alcohol and many die from alcohol poisoning and alcohol enabled crimes which for some reason doesn't get. Mentioned here by right. Wingers

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not pigeonholing anything. I asked for opinions on how to best implement legalization in a way that leads to further legalization in other states. I gave my opinion, you don't have one. All you can do is argue the details of a particular case or pretend that nothing bad can happen from marketing edibles to first time users.

More headlines from Colorado...

Richard Kirk Ate Pot Candy Before Killing Wife Kristine Kirk in Denver
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/627393-richard-kirk-ate-pot-candy-before-killing-wife-kristine-kirk-in-denver/

Denver man consumed edible pot before killing wife, police suspect
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-colorado-edible-pot-20140417,0,4192094.story#ixzz2zGB4aTAi

Two Denver deaths tied to recreational marijuana use
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-denver-deaths-tied-to-recreational-marijuana-use/

You going to be like Darrin and climate and leave for a week for other trolls after you are refuted until another anecdote comes to light?

[boutons_deux]

Pot Smoke And Mirrors: Vaporizer Pens Hide Marijuana Use

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/04/15/_s1a7555_wide-2464cfa4c7b5b54aaabfbc01667d39cc27cb8ee8-s40-c85.jpeg

Most vape pens don't actually vaporize the marijuana plant. They're loaded with marijuana concentrates or "hash oil:" a viscous, yellow resin chemically extracted from the plant. In many places, that extraction often occurs in somebody's kitchen — which can be explosive and dangerous (http://www.npr.org/2014/01/10/261390781/marijuana-hash-oil-explodes-in-popularity-and-kitchens).

And the concentrates can be strong. Really, really strong. Marijuana leaves can contain (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22150622) up to about 20 percent THC, the psychoactive chemical that makes you feel high. But the concentrates can contain up to 90 percent THC. Esquibel says she almost fainted when she tried her first hit.

Those high THC levels worry Allen St. Pierre (http://norml.org/about/item/allen-f-st-pierre-secretary), executive director of the National Organization to Reform Marijuana Laws, a nonprofit lobbying group working to broadly legalize marijuana use.

"Between the fact that you can potentially pass out with a single inhalation, or you can have such property damage and potential bodily harm just producing it ... these [issues of the vape pen] definitely need to be addressed," he says. "This is a screaming call for regulation if there ever was one."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/04/18/302992602/pot-smoke-and-mirrors-vaporizer-pens-hide-marijuana-use?sc=17&f=1001&utm_source=iosnewsapp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=app

[leemajors]

How are you goimg to regulate illegal hash oil production in someone's kitchen?

[boutons_deux]

How are you goimg to regulate illegal hash oil production in someone's kitchen?

same way you regulate homemade beer or wine?

[TeyshaBlue]

same way you regulate homemade beer or wine?

How's that? I can whip up a batch of (really bad) beer with no oversight whatsoever.

[SnakeBoy]

Colorado deaths stoke worries about pot edibles
https://news.yahoo.com/colorado-deaths-stoke-worries-pot-edibles-210425945.html

DENVER (AP) — A college student eats more than the recommended dose of a marijuana-laced cookie and jumps to his death from a hotel balcony. A husband with no history of violence is accused of shooting his wife in the head, possibly after eating pot-infused candy.





The two recent deaths have stoked concerns about Colorado's recreational marijuana industry and the effects of the drug, especially since cookies, candy and other pot edibles can be exponentially more potent than a joint.

"We're seeing hallucinations, they become sick to their stomachs, they throw up, they become dizzy and very anxious," said Al Bronstein, medical director of the Rocky Mountain Poison and Drug Center.

Studies are mixed about whether there is any link between marijuana and violence. Still, pot legalization opponents said the deaths are a sign of future dangers.

Twenty-six people have reported poisonings from marijuana edibles this year, when the center started tracking such exposures. Six were children who swallowed innocent-looking edibles, most of which were in plain sight.

Five of those kids were sent to emergency rooms, and two to hospitals for intensive care, Bronstein said. Children were nauseous and sleepy, and doctors worried about their respiratory systems shutting down.

Supporters of the pot law and some experts counter that alcohol causes far more problems among users, and the issues with pot can be largely addressed through better regulations.

The deaths occurred as Colorado lawmakers are scrambling to create safety regulations for the largely unmonitored marijuana snacks. On Thursday, the Legislature advanced a package of bills that would lower the amount of THC that could be permitted in a serving of food and require more extensive warning labels.




"It really is time for regulators, and the industry, to look at how do we move forward more responsibly with edible products," said Brian Vicente, who helped lead the state's legalization campaign.

An autopsy report listed marijuana intoxication as a significant contributing factor in the death of 19-year-old Levy Thamba Pongi.

Authorities said Pongi, who traveled from Wyoming to Denver with friends to try marijuana, ate six times more than the amount recommended by a seller. In the moments before his death, he spoke erratically and threw things around his hotel room.

Toxicologists later found that the cookie Pongi ate contained as much THC — marijuana's intoxicating chemical — as six high-quality joints.

Less is known about Richard Kirk, 47, who was charged in Denver with shooting his 44-year-old wife to death while she was on the phone with a 911 dispatcher. Police said his wife reported that her husband had consumed marijuana-laced candy, but no information has been released about potency.

The public defender's office has declined comment on the allegations against Kirk.

"Sadly, we're going to start to understand over time all of the damage and all of the problems associated with marijuana," said Thornton police Sgt. Jim Gerhardt, speaking in his capacity as a board member of the Colorado Drug Investigators Association. "It's going to dispel the myth that there's no downside, that there's no side effect, to this drug. It's sad that people are going to have to be convinced with the blood of Coloradans."

State lawmakers last year required edible pot to be sold in "serving sizes" of 10 milligrams of THC. Lawmakers also charged marijuana regulators with setting potency-testing guidelines to ensure consumers know how much pot they're eating. The guidelines are slated to be unveiled next month.

For now, the industry is trying to educate consumers about the strength of pot-infused foods and warning them to wait up to an hour to feel any effects before eating more. Still, complaints from visitors and first-time users have been rampant.

"One of the problems is people become very impatient," Bronstein said. "They eat a brownie or a chocolate chip cookie and they get no effect, so then they stack the doses, and all the sudden, they get an extreme effect that they weren't expecting."

Last year, the poison center run by Bronstein received 126 calls concerning adverse reactions to marijuana. So far this year — after pot sales became legal on Jan. 1 — the center has gotten 65 calls. Bronstein attributed the spike to the higher concentrations of THC in marijuana that has become available.

Although millions of Americans have used pot without becoming violent, Bronstein said such behavior is possible depending on the type of hallucinations a user experiences. Toxicologists say genetic makeup, health issues and other factors also can make a difference.

"With these products, everybody is inexperienced," Bronstein said. "It's the first time people have been able to buy it in a store. People need to be respectful of these products."

[ChumpDumper]

Oh noes. Two people ded maybe because of pot in the history of pot.

Sad day for the people who like pot and maybe will die from it maybe.

Nanny state will save the day!

[z0sa]

Hey, with the kid from Wyoming, I'm "surprised" in a way, but not dumbfounded. You go smoke 6 straight hydroponic weed joints with an absolute zero tolerance and not be incredibly, mind numbingly, forget everything that happened that day high. However, with all the smoke inhalation, and the actual time required to smoke all 6, you'd probably be asleep before you even finished your 3rd or 4th joint. With an edible, you intake it all at once.

It's a controversial situation. I'm on the fence.

[boutons_deux]

How's that? I can whip up a batch of (really bad) beer with no oversight whatsoever.

my point went right over your pinhead

[boutons_deux]

Colorado Activists Try to Halt Tax Collections for Marijuana Sales

A Colorado attorney, Rob Corry has sued the Denver District Court (http://archive.9news.com/assetpool/documents/140610024513_Prop-AA-Complaint-Final.pdf) stating that Colorado’s tax system violates the 5th amendment, protecting individuals from self-incrimination, and violating the US Constitution. He, and other activists feel that the exorbitant taxes on marijuana legalized just barely a year ago in the state are antagonistic to the main reasons for legalizing marijuana (http://naturalsociety.com/cannabis-marijuana/) in the first place.

Corry puts forth that when marijuana growers and sellers pay taxes on marijuana sales, they incriminate themselves under federal law (http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/politics/2014/06/10/tax-lawsuit-marijuana-sales/10287719/), which still bans marijuana and has it classified as a Schedule I drug (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Schedule_I_drugs_(US)) in company with heroine and cocaine. Though President Obama has promised not to pursue federal action against states that legalize cannabis, the issue remains querulous for states that are considering legalization.

“It’s pretty clear that the black market [was] never going to go away with these taxes,” said Corry (http://rt.com/usa/165420-activists-taxes-marijuana-colorado-suit/), who is seeking a preliminary injunction to block the state from collecting tax on pot as part of his case. He believes, as others do, that the heavy pot taxes undermine the goal of legalization. If the injunction is denied, he will tell pot shops to refuse to pay taxes, but this would likely incite state officials to suspend their licenses to sell.

http://naturalsociety.com/colorado-activists-challenge-marijuana-tax/#ixzz35r8o4ZKm