Chuck: "Kiwi is a top 15 player in this league..."

[sook]

Good no doubt, but top 15?

[Phillip]

:lmao

[spurraider21]

Philip clearly went to the bottle after we helped fuck their playoff chances

[apalisoc_9]

Lebron
Durant
Griffin
Harden
Davis
Love
Howard
Duncan
Melo
George
Parker
Westbrook
Paul
Noah
aldridge
Dirk

That's already 16 names

Kawhi is a top 20 player in the league though so chuck was just off 5 players imo

Kawhi is a top 5 SF in the league though and only a dumbass would disagree

[Xylus]

Sean Marks was definitely a superstar in his day.

[apalisoc_9]

Sean Marks was definitely a superstar in his day.

:rolleyes

Kawhi is argubly just as important as parker and duncan in the best team in the league

[sook]

The gap between George and Kiwi is not as big as people are led to perceive. George has been heralded for his defense, but Kiwi is probably the better defender. When it comes to offense, George's fluky shooting the first 2 months has faded and he looks remedial out there. Combine that with the fact that one is helping lead his team to the best record shows how much propping up by the media really changes perceptions.

[Robz4000]

Not top 15, but top 20 seems right. He's been growing by leaps and bounds since his return.

[CitizenDwayne]

Close, but not quite. Give it time.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol I've been one of the 3 biggest Kawhi dick-riders on ST, but he's not a top 15 player, tbh..

Top 25-30, off the top of my head..and no, I don't think he has surpassed Parker and Duncan yet, although he's getting close..

[Spursfanfromafar]

Top 5 SF after James, Durant, George, Anthony...tbh.

[heyheymymy]

im glad everyone agrees b/c that sounded a lil overrated to me

[HarlemHeat37]

He's becoming a very unique player, though..

Defensively, while he's overrated, his versatility and ability to disrupt is outstanding..generally speaking, defensive specialists seldom possess the ability to create their own offense..super role players like Noah and Ibaka are limited at creating their own shots, which isn't the case for Leonard, as he continues to show every game..

It's evident that he has the potential to be much, much more than just a role player, though, which wasn't conceivable to many Spurs fans, tbh..

[Raven]

Lebron
Durant
Griffin
Harden
Davis
Love
Howard
Duncan
Melo
George
Parker
Westbrook
Paul
Noah
aldridge
Dirk

That's already 16 names

Kawhi is a top 20 player in the league though so chuck was just off 5 players imo

Kawhi is a top 5 SF in the league though and only a dumbass would disagree

these are not better than kawhi due to their one sidedness(sans Davis)

[Robz4000]

Top 5 SF after James, Durant, George, Anthony...tbh.

I'd take him over Fatmelo. A few months ago I'd agree about George but I'm starting to have doubts. Leonard may be the third best SF in the league.

[RD2191]

Davis is a beast on both sides of the ball.

[apalisoc_9]

I'd take him over Fatmelo. A few months ago I'd agree about George but I'm starting to have doubts. Leonard may be the third best SF in the league.

I'm probably the biggest kawhi fan in ST but top 3?

c'mon bro :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Paul George would look great if he had the weapons the Spurs have next to Leonard, though..

The Pacers only have 1 other player that can consistently create a shot(West, and he's getting old), a cancer at SG and a PG that can't dribble a basketball..I don't think Leonard could thrive with Indiana's lack of offensive talent..

[Raven]

Davis is a beast on both sides of the ball.

who has not yet played a meaningful game in his career.

[CitizenDwayne]

Davis is better than Kawhi at this point. Don't really see how you could make a convincing argument otherwise

[Robz4000]

I'm probably the biggest kawhi fan in ST but top 3?

c'mon bro :lol

Whose better tbh? It can be argued Fatmelo, PG, Parsons, and Pierce are better, but only PG impacts the game on both ends to the extent Leonard can.

[apalisoc_9]

Fatmelo and PG are still better

Parson and Pierce, hell no

[mercos]

Kawhi has top 15 talent, but he has yet to put up top 15 numbers. Given the Spurs system and depth of talent, I don't see him putting up top 15 numbers until at least Duncan retires.

[sook]

Fatmelo and PG are still better

Parson and Pierce, hell no

stupid homer :lol

[apalisoc_9]

stupid homer :lol

Kawhi plays for the best team in the league and is far more valuable for his team

[Gummi Clutch]

You're being a homer bro :lol

Kawhi is better IMO but its really damn close. The stats also favor Parsons, and you could also make the case that Kawhi gets most of the shots he does because of Timmy.

I agree with the rest of the posters, I think he's 20-25 on the list

[gilmor]

Does Kwahi surpass Manu in this team?

[jimbo]

these are not better than kawhi due to their one sidedness(sans Davis)

Do you have Los Spurs tattoo'd on your dick? Only way you could be that big of a homer. (Aside from a Kawhi tramp stamp)

[apalisoc_9]

Does Kwahi surpass Manu in this team?

Since the start of the season and even more after the allstar break

[HarlemHeat37]

Advanced stats favor Leonard by a substantial margin over Parsons, so I'm not sure what Mr. Meltdown is referring to, unless he's citing antiquated numbers like PPG:lol..

I don't think Leonard is a level better than that pussy Parsons, they're close, but I'd take Kawhi and saying "stats prefer Parsons" is just false..

And there's no way Paul Pierce is better than Kawhi at this point:lol..

[sook]

I'd take Kiwi because he has a higher ceiling and is one of the best defenders, but based on what both players have shown this season you can't say Kiwi is a whole level above Parsons as HH also pointed out :lol




You're being a homer bro :lol

Kawhi is better IMO but its really damn close. The stats also favor Parsons, and you could also make the case that Kawhi gets most of the shots he does because of Timmy.

I agree with the rest of the posters, I think he's 20-25 on the list

Leonard is more efficient though I believe.

[Chinook]

Chuck just demonstrating his poor basketball takes once again. No more, no less.

[spurraider21]

If the Spurs swapped Leonard for Parsons, I don't think they'd have a snowball's chance in hell

[Gummi Clutch]

That is true but I just don't see Kawhi becoming head hancho after Timmy retires. I think he would be a great 2nd or 3rd guy but thats it. Also, SR you're right primarily because Kawhi anchors our defense and makes all the intangible plays.

[SupremeGuy]

Top 5 defender, tbh. In another year or two, when the nigga is 22-23, yeah, he's gonna be great. Fuck all the haters.

He's going to get at least 2 dyop trophies and some other accolades. Honestly, he's going to shut duref down and people will see.

[ElNono]

Does Kwahi surpass Manu in this team?

He's better than 36 year old Manu, yes

[ElNono]

He still has a lot of work to do in the footstep and ball handling department... but at 22, he's pretty amazing, tbh

Credit should also go to the personnel in charge of making him the player he is right now... especially his shooting, much improved from his college years...

[HI-FI]

If the Spurs swapped Leonard for Parsons, I don't think they'd have a snowball's chance in hell
this. I don't care for metrosexual Parsons, but he's a solid player. I just think Kawhi comes up with a lot more game changing moments, "holy shit" moments if you will.

[Nero5]

Fatmelo and PG are still better

Parson and Pierce, hell no

Fatmelo is better in numbers, but a disaster as a member of a team.

[spurraider21]

Fatmelo is such an enigma. the dude is obviously talented as fuck, but wherever he goes he'll be on a bloated contract, will be the #1 option on what will basically always be a stagnant offense, and won't contribute defensively except on the boards. he's more talented than kawhi, but i'd rather have kawhi on my team for the reasons i just gave

[look_at_g_shred]

Hmm if you had a choice, would you build your team around Melo or Kawhi at this point in their careers? I just see Melo as a chucker who can't defend.

[exstatic]

Top 5 defender, tbh. In another year or two, when the nigga is 22-23, yeah, he's gonna be great. Fuck all the haters.

He's going to get at least 2 dyop trophies and some other accolades. Honestly, he's going to shut duref down and people will see.

Kawhi is 22 now, and will turn 23 at the end of June.

[exstatic]

Hmm if you had a choice, would you build your team around Melo or Kawhi at this point in their careers? I just see Melo as a chucker who can't defend.

You see him correctly.

http://de.sap.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Sapphire-NBA.jpg

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol I love Kawhi as much as anybody(outside of apolisac), but he isn't better than Fat Anthony, although I wouldn't want the latter on my team, obviously..

[exstatic]

:lol I love Kawhi as much as anybody(outside of apolisac), but he isn't better than Fat Anthony, although I wouldn't want the latter on my team, obviously..

If you feel Anthony is better, why would you NOT want him on your team? THAT makes no sense...

[will_spurs]

Melo

:lol


:lmao



:rollin

[HarlemHeat37]

If you feel Anthony is better, why would you NOT want him on your team? THAT makes no sense...

Anthony is a much more capable #1 or 2 than Leonard, at this point of their careers..

The problem with Carmelo is that he's still convinced he's a #1 guy, when in reality, he's better suited as a sidekick..if you put Kawhi on this year's Knicks, they would be significantly worse IMO..

I'd rather have Kawhi as the #3 option on my team over Carmelo as my #1, but as an individual player, Anthony is better..I wouldn't want Carmelo on my team because he overvalues himself, but that could very well change if he had Pop at coach..

[will_spurs]

if you put Kawhi on this year's Knicks, they would be significantly worse IMO..

News break: the Knicks are already out of the playoffs in the freaking Leastern Conference with a .423 record. They cannot be significantly worse.

[HarlemHeat37]

Carmelo is having a very good year, though, his supporting cast is atrocious..

[exstatic]

Anthony is a much more capable #1 or 2 than Leonard, at this point of their careers..

The problem with Carmelo is that he's still convinced he's a #1 guy, when in reality, he's better suited as a sidekick..if you put Kawhi on this year's Knicks, they would be significantly worse IMO..

I'd rather have Kawhi as the #3 option on my team over Carmelo as my #1, but as an individual player, Anthony is better..I wouldn't want Carmelo on my team because he overvalues himself, but that could very well change if he had Pop at coach..

...if all you look at is ppg and you're stuck in 1995, stats-wise, sure. That's ALL he does, though. His advanced metrics are for shit. He's a chucker.

[Prime Time]

Anthony is a much more capable #1 or 2 than Leonard, at this point of their careers..

The problem with Carmelo is that he's still convinced he's a #1 guy, when in reality, he's better suited as a sidekick..if you put Kawhi on this year's Knicks, they would be significantly worse IMO..

I'd rather have Kawhi as the #3 option on my team over Carmelo as my #1, but as an individual player, Anthony is better..I wouldn't want Carmelo on my team because he overvalues himself, but that could very well change if he had Pop at coach..
I don't know if I particulary agree with this. Let me just say that I don't think Leonard is a top 15 player in the game, I just think Carmelo is a horrible NBA player. A sensational talent, sure. But he'll never be championship material.


With that said, I'm not sold if a Felton-Smith-Leonard-Stat-Chandler lineup with Hardaway, Shump, and Martin off the bench would have a worse record than the Hawks. The thing about Carmelo is that he struggles to play within a system. It's nothing but jump-shots, which really takes way the flow of the action.

I'm sold that if Leonard played in the Eastern conference while being the #1 option for the Knicks (Over Melo) he could average anywhere from 15-19ppg, 7-10rpg, while playing All-Team defense/shooting at nearly 50%.

Imagine how much better defensively the Knicks would be if they had Leonard over Melo. Not only would Tyson Chandler roaming the paint, but add in Leonard on the perimeter? That'd be really good for Eastern Conference standards.

I'm fully aware that Carmelo would be averaging about 10-13 more points than Kawhi, but at the same time - how good are those shots? Carmelo's points usually come off low-percentage jumpers. While this demonstrates how talented he is, it doesn't do anything to help his teammates get into their groove offensively.

Now look at how Kawhi scores. He moves without the ball, he cuts to the basket, he posts up, he creates steals, he can hit the mid-range jumper if the defense forces him too, and best of all - he'd give the ball to an open teammate over shooting it himself 10/10. That's the kind of player the Knicks need if they ever want to relevant again.

I know I sound insane, but again - Carmelo is much more skilled than Leonard. But I think Leonard's offensive efficiency/dominance on defense would easily lead the Knicks to the playoffs. Just think of all the fast-break points he would create.

[HarlemHeat37]

The problem with that assumption is that Leonard's potential role as a #1 would certainly require much more energy than he currently exerts on offense with the Spurs..

Would he be able to demonstrate the same defensive ability if he had the role of #1 option on a team with virtually no other creators?..

It's extremely rare for a perimeter player to be able to dominate both ends of the floor as a #1 option, tbh..even Lebron and Jordan often coasted on defense during the regular season, and they're probably the best 2-way perimeter players that I've ever seen..

Leonard's offensive style as a go-to guy really isn't that different from Carmelo's, either, tbh..a lot of mid-range Js, a lot of post-ups, etc..I don't think Kawhi's playmaking ability is noticeably better than Fat Melo's at the moment..

I use advanced metrics as much as anybody here, but one of the problems with them is that they don't properly assess a player's role/energy exerted..the Knicks don't have a system, they only run 1 on 1 plays, especially with Tyson Chandler and Amare's declines(their only effective pick&roll bigs)..

On a team that doesn't have a system and only has 1 other playmaker(Prigioni, a 40-year old man), Anthony is often forced to put up 20+ shots per game..

[Raven]

If you wouldnt take a player instead of another than its probably coz his stats are padded and his overall impact questionable at best. Love and fatmelo are prime example of this...

[apalisoc_9]

I never said Kawhi is better than Melo and PG :lol

[Budkin]

Love Kiwi but no way is he a top 15 player.

[Russ]

Top 15? Be careful the Lakers are listening. :wow

[Leetonidas]

Leonard wipes his ass with Parsons tbh :lol

[Sybok]

He's in the top 10 defensively, maybe top 5. Offensively he's somewhere in the top 50-75 maybe. It depends on how aggressive he is. He's moving uphill so it's like the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle with him.

[wildchild]

Why the two-way wing players are more and more valuable? Just because they're rare gems.
When Anthony has a bad scoring night he can become useless to his team. In contrast, Leonard can have a bad shooting game but he still makes good offensive decisions -with the good pass feeding his teammates- and delivers on defense. He can change shots, alter passes, steal those passes, force turnovers, get rebounds, he can still in a bad offensive night effectively disrupt opponent rhythm.
That type of players could inspire his teammates to win -more than a Melo's 34 pts 3 asts-.

[loveforthegame]

I don't think he's there now but it's not silly to think he could be eventually.

I haven't seen Barkley talk about a player like this since Dirk. Not saying he's going to be right again but he certainly believes so.

[ulosturedge]

Why the two-way wing players are more and more valuable? Just because they're rare gems.
When Anthony has a bad scoring night he can become useless to his team. In contrast, Leonard can have a bad shooting game but he still makes good offensive decisions -with the good pass feeding his teammates- and delivers on defense. He can change shots, alter passes, steal those passes, force turnovers, get rebounds, he can still in a bad offensive night effectively disrupt opponent rhythm.
That type of players could inspire his teammates to win -more than a Melo's 34 pts 3 asts-.

It's funny how when someone is being rated somehow Offense counts way more heavily then defense when coming up with that said rating. Kawhi's defensive presence alone should push him past those middle of the road type players. Top 15 maybe not yet, but better then the likes of Parsons and others. I think if we are looking at overall impact on a team with everything that player brings to the table I think Kawhi is ahead of those guys.

[MultiTroll]

I'd take him over Fatmelo. A few months ago I'd agree about George but I'm starting to have doubts. Leonard may be the third best SF in the league.
Yep.
If Kawhi was allowed to play zero d and chuck at will as the #1 option on a loser team, he may well have 28 points per game too.

[HarlemHeat37]

Kawhi has trouble defending guards, tbh, his defense is becoming overrated..very good team defender and great at defending big SFs and small ball 4s, but can't defend 1s and 2s the same way players like Lebron/Pippen can, etc..

Danny Green is much better at defending guards, and hopefully Pop remembers that in the playoffs..

[Mugen]

^there's such a dearth of quality perimeter defenders right now in the league that it's tough to call Leonard overrated. Maybe compared to Bowen, Pippen, Rodman then he's definitely overrated as I don't think he's close to their impact.

Pretty crazy that the Spurs went from a defensive rotation of Keith Bogans and RJ to two of the best wing defenders in the league in Danny/Leonard tbh.

[rjv]

kawhi has hit the level he was at in the finals and just in time

[HarlemHeat37]

Kawhi is a very good defender, one of the best perimeter guys in the league, but the media is underrating the rest of the Spurs' defenders to inflate him, tbh..

Particularly Splitter, one of the 5-7 best defensive bigs in the league, and Green, one of the 5-7 best perimeter defenders in the league..

Duncan and Splitter were by far the best defenders on the floor last night, yet only Steve Kerr pointed that out:lol..

[Mugen]

Kawhi is a very good defender, one of the best perimeter guys in the league, but the media is underrating the rest of the Spurs' defenders to inflate him, tbh..

Particularly Splitter, one of the 5-7 best defensive bigs in the league, and Green, one of the 5-7 best perimeter defenders in the league..

Duncan and Splitter were by far the best defenders on the floor last night, yet only Steve Kerr pointed that out:lol..

Splitter's D on Dirk was some of the best I've seen anybody play Nowitzki all year tbh. Dirk hit some pretty insane shots even for his standard.

Duncan being one of the best rim protectors at 37 and right after mangling his knee is ridiculous, but people still overvalue guys like Ibaka who hit it 5 rows into the stands on almost every block :lol

[SayTown]

Possible maybe closer to top 20, KawhIsland has been the best player on a 61 win team this season.

Parsons isn't even close to Kawhi, Kawhi is closer to being as good as Harden than Parsons is close to being as good as Kawhi

[Chinook]

Kawhi has trouble defending guards, tbh, his defense is becoming overrated..very good team defender and great at defending big SFs and small ball 4s, but can't defend 1s and 2s the same way players like Lebron/Pippen can, etc..

Danny Green is much better at defending guards, and hopefully Pop remembers that in the playoffs..

Ordinarily, I'd agree with you. But Green's lateral quickness is really lacking right now. If Danny is still ailing come series against GS, Portland and the Clippers, the Spurs' edge over those teams shrinks noticeably.

Yes, Kawhi's defense is overrated. He doesn't have healthy Green's lateral quickness or anticipation around the rim. But his guard defense is probably a little better than hobbled Green's.

[Raven]

saying Green's guard D is better than Kawhi's is not saying much, since i can't think of anyone that defends pg better than Green...

[SupremeGuy]

Kawhi is 22 now, and will turn 23 at the end of June.To be fair, I was pretty drunk when I posted that. lol

[look_at_g_shred]

16 points 16 rebounds.

[letmk]

Kawhi is a very good defender, one of the best perimeter guys in the league, but the media is underrating the rest of the Spurs' defenders to inflate him, tbh..

Particularly Splitter, one of the 5-7 best defensive bigs in the league, and Green, one of the 5-7 best perimeter defenders in the league..

Duncan and Splitter were by far the best defenders on the floor last night, yet only Steve Kerr pointed that out:lol..

Speaking of this, anybody has access to ESPN Insider? Pelton has a new article about best defenders in NBA, and I'd like to see his take and the method of his take.

[wildbill2u]

hERE IS A LINK TO THE 2014 ALL STAR ROSTERS.
http://www.nba.com/allstar/2014/players/

SEVERAL NAMES ON THE ROSTER OF 24 THAT I'D PUT ABOVE KWAHI

[Steve-O-Matic]

Kawhi Leonard's wallet is the one in the bag that says Bad Motherfucker on it.

[spurraider21]

Fatmelo is such an enigma. the dude is obviously talented as fuck, but wherever he goes he'll be on a bloated contract, will be the #1 option on what will basically always be a stagnant offense, and won't contribute defensively except on the boards. he's more talented than kawhi, but i'd rather have kawhi on my team for the reasons i just gave


:lol I love Kawhi as much as anybody(outside of apolisac), but he isn't better than Fat Anthony, although I wouldn't want the latter on my team, obviously..


Anthony is a much more capable #1 or 2 than Leonard, at this point of their careers..

The problem with Carmelo is that he's still convinced he's a #1 guy, when in reality, he's better suited as a sidekick..if you put Kawhi on this year's Knicks, they would be significantly worse IMO..

I'd rather have Kawhi as the #3 option on my team over Carmelo as my #1, but as an individual player, Anthony is better..I wouldn't want Carmelo on my team because he overvalues himself, but that could very well change if he had Pop at coach..
yep

[spurraider21]

kawhi can guard 2's as long as they're not crazy athletic. he did quite a number on Klay Thompson when they switched him over last year. He's better suited to cover 3's, or generally the players that no teams have answers for, like LeBron, Durant, Melo

[SpurSwag]

Kawhi has been amazing, but he is definitely not a top 15 player in this league. Top 25? Sure, he has a great case for that.

But top 15 players are the kind of players that can dominate games night in and night out. That isn't something Kawhi has proven yet. I hope he can get there soon and I know he has the potential too, but for now i disagree.

Off the top of my head:

Lebron
Durant
Harden
Love
Griffin
Paul
Aldridge
Dwight
Curry
Westbrook
Parker
Duncan
Dirk
Dragic
George (not by much honestly but still)
Noah
Melo

That's 17 that are definitely better than Kawhi

[MR-Clutch]

can anyone post the video?

[dbreiden83080]

Top 20 IMO. Very talented still putting it together..

[Capt Bringdown]

Dude reminds me of Mike Mitchell.

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/06/09/mike-mitchell-obit-7F5L0CL-x-large.jpg

[wildchild]

I'm not a big fan of stats but for obvious reasons I like these numbers.

-only four NBA players under the age of 23 with a player efficiency rating above 19.0 (19.2) and Leonard is the only one in that group on a playoff-bound team.

-97.4 defensive rating when he's in the game (NBA second best), 102.1 when he sits (rank ninth). Maybe his playing time coincides with the other good defensive players in the team but not always, just look the rotations last games.

-Leonard's pick-and-roll coverage 0.62 points per possession -NBA 10th-fewest

-Top rebounding wings (7.8 per 36 minutes)

-Isolation scorer (1.08 points per possession, sixth overall)

-Down on the offensive block (1.15 points per possession on post-up plays, third-best in the NBA).

[Gagnrath]

Interestingly that people are all pretty much agreeing that he's definitely top 25 but probably not top 15 or if he is he's about #15.

That makes him better by that metric than many teams #1 guy or super star. I'm not willing to go there yet.

At this point I will leave it at he's definitely not just a spurs system guy. He's rapidly improving, but we will need to see what happens when he's not with the spurs which is why I like the national team selection.

A guy can be a great fit for a team and only moderate else where.

If I look at players currently that are on comparable talent levels for the 2013-2014 season I don't know that I really would take Leonard in the top 25.

He's the 3rd best on his team, admittedly a very good team, and he's got contention for that third best with Manu.

As for those Above singing his praises. I get it and he is a rising talent, which is very very valuable to have, and many of those I would rank above or around him are mature talents getting ready to begin their decline.

I would place him in the first 15 selected if I was a GM simply because signing him to a 4 year deal is about as sure of a thing as you can get in the NBA. Only a handful higher and they are Lebron, Durant, and all-star Centers and Power-Forwards.

[Venti Quattro]

Not yet

[Kidd K]

Leonard wipes his ass with Parsons tbh :lol

Sorry but that is completely false.

Head to head stats:




Player
G
W
L
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Chandler Parsons (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parsoch01.html)
8
5
3
7
32.1
5.6
11.6
.484
1.9
5.5
.341
0.8
1.0
.750
1.1
4.1
5.3
3.0
0.9
0.6
1.9
1.9
13.9


Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)
8
3
5
7
28.0
3.4
8.8
.386
0.3
2.0
.125
0.9
1.4
.636
2.3
3.5
5.8
0.4
0.9
0.9
0.9
1.5
7.9




Leonard gets cucked by Parsons. Parsons has dropped 20+ on him their last 4 meetings too. And 5 or more assists 3 of the last 4 times.

While Kawhi averages 8 PPG and half an assist.

[Drom John]

I have Leonard is 30th best in the league with the potential of top 12.

By qualified minutes WS/48
Leonard is 12th in the league, 11th is Dragic, 13th is Noah, 15th Ginobili, 17th! Mills

But you got to play to win, and Leonard is 130th in minutes played. By WS
Leonard is tied at 30th with David Lee and John Wall

[Leetonidas]

Sorry but that is completely false.

Head to head stats:






Player
G
W
L
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Chandler Parsons (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parsoch01.html)
8
5
3
7
32.1
5.6
11.6
.484
1.9
5.5
.341
0.8
1.0
.750
1.1
4.1
5.3
3.0
0.9
0.6
1.9
1.9
13.9


Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)
8
3
5
7
28.0
3.4
8.8
.386
0.3
2.0
.125
0.9
1.4
.636
2.3
3.5
5.8
0.4
0.9
0.9
0.9
1.5
7.9




Leonard gets cucked by Parsons. Parsons has dropped 20+ on him their last 4 meetings too. And 5 or more assists 3 of the last 4 times.

While Kawhi averages 8 PPG and half an assist.

Head to head stat is nice but ultimately meaningless in determining who is a better player and that is definitely Kawhi Leonard.

[Kidd K]

Head to head stat is nice but ultimately meaningless in determining who is a better player and that is definitely Kawhi Leonard.

I didn't say Parsons was a better player. I replied to the statement that Leonard "wipes his ass with Parsons". Clearly the exact opposite is true, and ONLY head to head stats matter in that argument.

[Raven]

I didn't say Parsons was a better player. I replied to the statement that Leonard "wipes his ass with Parsons". Clearly the exact opposite is true, and ONLY head to head stats matter in that argument.

yeah, no.. the stat you posted assume that one was guarding the other and the team needed them to score in the same way...

[wildchild]

I didn't say Parsons was a better player. I replied to the statement that Leonard "wipes his ass with Parsons". Clearly the exact opposite is true, and ONLY head to head stats matter in that argument.

Not sure. The Rockets are now 3-0 against Spurs so the whole team haven't played well those games.
However
http://i.imgur.com/hgXPlKg.jpg
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf

[Leetonidas]

I didn't say Parsons was a better player. I replied to the statement that Leonard "wipes his ass with Parsons". Clearly the exact opposite is true, and ONLY head to head stats matter in that argument.

What do you think I meant by that? I mean as a player Kawhi is better than Parsons and he is not on the same level nor does he have the same potential. Head to head stats don't matter at all in that respect