View Full Version : Will Kawhi make 3rd team All-NBA, 2nd team All-Defense
Gino-Step
04-12-2014, 11:31 PM
He should in my opinion. He should be ahead of any Spur in either category.
I predict Parker will make it over Kawhi for All-NBA and Duncan over Kawhi for Defense.
Arguably Kawhi, Tiago, and Green are most deserving of Defensive honors.
HarlemHeat37
04-12-2014, 11:33 PM
No, he shouldn't, he's only been playing at a great level since post-ASB, which isn't long enough to merit all-NBA consideration..
Parker making all-NBA would be a travesty, though, he's having a sub-par season and has been the 3rd best player on the team this season..
ElNono
04-13-2014, 12:01 AM
No, he shouldn't, he's only been playing at a great level since post-ASB, which isn't long enough to merit all-NBA consideration..
Parker making all-NBA would be a travesty, though, he's having a sub-par season and has been the 3rd best player on the team this season..
I think Bill Simmons might be onto something.. he put Tony as the "token Spur" on the 3rd team... basically acknowledging he doesn't really deserve it, but that you gotta have a Spurs player in one of the teams due to the team's success this season.
HarlemHeat37
04-13-2014, 12:17 AM
Duncan has been a lot better than Parker this year, tbh..
N0 LyF3 ScRuB
04-13-2014, 12:18 AM
Duncan has been a lot better than Parker this year, tbh..
So was Manu until recently.
ElNono
04-13-2014, 12:57 AM
Duncan has been a lot better than Parker this year, tbh..
The problem for Timmy is that he's not taken seriously anymore, IMO... even though he wasn't playing that great early in the season, I though the ASG shun was a clear signal.
Noah is likely going to win DPOY, which automatically puts him in one of the 3 teams, then the usual younger crop of talent will go in too: Love, Dwight, Aldrige, Davis, Hibbert, etc...
Stein did put Timmy on the 1st team though, so he might actually end up sneaking in...
ElNono
04-13-2014, 01:02 AM
Here's another NC ballot, with Tim on the 3rd team:
http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/04/12/3779350/my-annual-nba-awards-ballot.html
ElNono
04-13-2014, 01:08 AM
NY Post has Tony on the 1st team, and nobody else from the Spurs...
http://nypost.com/2014/04/11/handing-out-all-the-nba-hardware/
Even picked Al Jefferson over Timmy :lmao
HarlemHeat37
04-13-2014, 01:12 AM
I understood Duncan not making the All-Star team, he struggled to start the season and the ASG selection is done in early February..He has been outstanding in 2014, though, and surprisingly durable..
ElNono
04-13-2014, 01:15 AM
I understood Duncan not making the All-Star team, he struggled to start the season and the ASG selection is done in early February..He has been outstanding in 2014, though, and surprisingly durable..
He has, but when I look at some of these ballots, I don't think people have been paying attention, tbh
NBA defensive teams are bullshit. They factor offense into it more than defense--Kiwi should be 2nd, but probably won't even get mentioned.
Richie
04-13-2014, 03:02 AM
All-defence is more about reputation that how well a guy actually performed. Kawhi has the reputation though, so he might make it. No chance he gets All-NBA though.
I think Timmy deserves All-NBA, and could make it at the center spot. I also think he has an outside shot at All-D again too.
jARS mEsH sEt
04-13-2014, 03:30 AM
So was Manu until recently.
Jesus fucking christ what the hell are you smoking :lmao
Spursfanfromafar
04-13-2014, 06:02 AM
Tim Duncan has played more games and more minutes than Tony Parker this season. In fact Duncan has played the most minutes of any Spur in the team. He still has the highest PER and the higher RPM (ESPN) and the highest IPV (Individual Player Value which considers data only for this season) in the team. He has the best defensive numbers for the Spurs team as well, although Tiago Splitter's is quite close as well, but the latter suffers from not having many "traditional stats" - blocks & steals - to back him.
Kevin Pelton got it right by claiming that Duncan must be an all-NBA player and could even be a first ballot player.
Splitter & Green should easily figure in the All Defense 2nd or 3rd teams as well. Their +/- impact is among the best in the league.
Kawhi's contribution peaked after the all star break but he should still threaten for the All NBA 3rd team spot.
Tony Parker played only on one end of the court for all the season. His defense was easily the worst for the Spurs rotation players. There is no way he should be considered for any individual award this season.
For the sixth man award the contenders should be legitimately be Ginobili or Gibson. Every advanced stat would point to Ginobili's direction, but I wouldn't be upset if Taj Gibson gets it instead of someone like Jamal Crawford. Gibson has been very impactful as a fourth quarter player for the resurgent Bulls and only because he plays more "Impact" minutes over Ginobili that I would take him for 6th Man.
The MIP award must be a lock for Goran Dragic. Dude showed the highest % increase in WS/48, PER and any of those advanced stats and almost singlehandedly lifted the unfancied Suns to the playoffs in a tough and very competitive West. The closest second should be Gerald Green who rapidly advanced his game to become a great perimeter player and the Morrises improved as well. Patty Mills should be in the conversation atleast.
COY, as I explained elsewhere must be Pop.
My ballots -
All NBA first team:
Chris Paul, James Harden, Kevin Durant, Lebron James, Joakim Noah
All NBA second team:
Kyle Lowry, Stephen Curry, Paul George, Blake Griffin, Tim Duncan
All NBA third team:
John Wall, Goran Dragic, Kawhi Leonard, Dirk Nowitzki, LaMarcus Aldridge
All NBA defense first team:
Kyle Lowry, Danny Green, Andre Iguodala, Tim Duncan, Joakim Noah
All NBA defense second team:
Patrick Beverley, Tony Allen, Paul George, Dwight Howard, Andrew Bogut
MVP:
Kevin Durant
MIP:
Goran Dragic
SMY:
Taj Gibson/Manu Ginobili
ROY:
Michael Carter-Williams
COY:
Gregg Popovich
DPOY:
Joakim Noah
Kawhi should make first team defense
FromWayDowntown
04-16-2014, 03:48 PM
Zach Lowe (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/rounding-out-the-nba-awards/) puts Duncan on the All-Defense First Team and Kawhi on the All-Defense Second Team (but as a guard, and not a forward):
• To wit: I have Kawhi Leonard as a guard on the second team. It was more difficult than usual this season to find four worthy guards. Some of the candidates, and especially the best point guard candidates, missed huge chunks of the season — Eric Bledsoe, Rajon Rondo, Patrick Beverley, Jrue Holiday, Chris Paul, Tony Allen, Avery Bradley, Thabo Sefolosha, etc. Mike Conley’s defense slipped a bit under a heavier offensive burden. Kyle Lowry has toned down the wildness and DeMar DeRozan has made huge strides, but neither is so good as to make me queasy about Leonard’s positioning here. Ditto for Klay Thompson, Wesley Matthews, and several other quality guards.
Leonard missed 16 games himself, nearly as many as Paul, but he has been sensational defensively when he has played — a rebounding and steals machine with gorgeous footwork. He’s nominally a small forward, but if the opponent’s best perimeter scorer is a shooting guard, Leonard will spend heavy minutes defending that guy while Danny Green (also a very good defender) slides up a position. The Spurs allow nearly five fewer points per 100 possessions with Leonard on the floor, per NBA.com. He’s in.
• Leonard benefits from playing with Tim Duncan, who remains a defensive genius even as his offensive game took a small but noticeable dip this season. He’s a monster rebounder, he never fouls (just ask him), and he moves almost in exact synchronization with the opposing offense. Some of his help rotations are just uncanny . . . .
He also recognizes that "There is a good chance the Spurs won’t place a single player on any of the three All-NBA teams," though he adds "there’s something to be said for some Spur, any Spur, appearing on an All-NBA team." He notes that "Duncan might be their best candidate for that honor, but the big man positions are ridiculously stacked, and Duncan got off to a slow start offensively. He also logged only 29 minutes per game, peanuts compared with other stars, though there are lots of broad issues swirling around the San Antonio playing-time numbers. They deserve representation somewhere, and the All-Defense may have to do."
Sportstudi
04-16-2014, 03:57 PM
All-defence is more about reputation that how well a guy actually performed. Kawhi has the reputation though, so he might make it. No chance he gets All-NBA though.
I think Timmy deserves All-NBA, and could make it at the center spot. I also think he has an outside shot at All-D again too.
That's the reason why Kobe amassed multiple All-Defence nominations after 2005 although he didn't deserve any of those.
Ed Helicopter Jones
04-16-2014, 04:05 PM
I think he'll make the Defensive 2nd unit. No Spur will see the All-NBA team, IMO.
crc21209
04-16-2014, 06:14 PM
He should make one of the All-Defense teams, but with the NBA...who knows. This is a league where Bruce Bowen NEVER won a DPOY award and Marcus fucking Camby did for being a weakside shot blocker...
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