Memphis at Phoenix

[Findog]

Suns have to win out and hope Dallas beats Memphis in the finale. Suns have to finish up a game on Memphis because the Grizz won the season series regardless of tomorrow night's game.

Memphis clinches playoff spot with a win tomorrow night and that would set up a season finale home game against Dallas for the 7 seed.

Even if the Suns win, that clinches the 7 seed for Dallas and sets up a finale where Memphis is playing for the 8 seed against the JV Mavericks. So I'm guessing Memphis will try to win the game tomorrow night knowing that in their back pocket they have a home game against the Dallas scrubs to clinch a playoff spot. This isn't 2011 and I'm sure both these teams would rather take their chances against OKC instead of being quickly disemboweled by the Spurs. So as a Mavs fan I will be rooting hard for the Suns!

[Findog]

Does this mean the Grizz win the game? If you're a Suns player or coach, you know that your reward for putting off elimination for one night is setting up Memphis to play T-ball against Dallas. On a subconscious level, that has to affect your approach to the game.

[ElNono]

I have no idea what expectations Sunsfan had for the season, but I would think they would be fairly happy? Young team, shows a lot of pride and battle every night. Hornacek should get some credit too, he did a good job.

[Findog]

I have no idea what expectations Sunsfan had for the season, but I would think they would be fairly happy? Young team, shows a lot of pride and battle every night. Hornacek should get some credit too, he did a good job.

Oh yeah, absolutely, their season is a resounding success even if they finish 9th. And if they make it in, I don't think they care if they draw the Spurs. It's a good learning exercise for those guys to experience a playoff series. If anything, you absolutely cannot get a better measurement of where you are versus how far you have to go by playing San Antonio.

Now I'm thinking that since the Suns have more to play for ( avoid elimination vs clinch a playoff spot) and they're at home, they win the game? If you're the Grizz, knowing that this isn't a must-win game, does that on a subconscious level affect your approach to the game? I'm not saying they won't try to win the game, but it's not do or die like it is for the Suns.

[Mugen]

Grizz are 3-0 against the Suns this year I believe. I just don't think they have anybody to handle ZBo/Gasol down low and I think they're done after two heartbreaking losses in Texas tbh. I'm going with Memphis.

[spurraider21]

Suns have to win out and hope Dallas beats Memphis in the finale. Suns have to finish up a game on Memphis because the Grizz won the season series regardless of tomorrow night's game.

Memphis clinches playoff spot with a win tomorrow night and that would set up a season finale home game against Dallas for the 7 seed.

Even if the Suns win, that clinches the 7 seed for Dallas and sets up a finale where Memphis is playing for the 8 seed against the JV Mavericks. So I'm guessing Memphis will try to win the game tomorrow night knowing that in their back pocket they have a home game against the Dallas scrubs to clinch a playoff spot. This isn't 2011 and I'm sure both these teams would rather take their chances against OKC instead of being quickly disemboweled by the Spurs. So as a Mavs fan I will be rooting hard for the Suns!
you didn't need the rest, really :lol

[ElNono]

Oh yeah, absolutely, their season is a resounding success even if they finish 9th. And if they make it in, I don't think they care if they draw the Spurs. It's a good learning exercise for those guys to experience a playoff series. If anything, you absolutely cannot get a better measurement of where you are versus how far you have to go by playing San Antonio.

Now I'm thinking that since the Suns have more to play for ( avoid elimination vs clinch a playoff spot) and they're at home, they win the game? If you're the Grizz, knowing that this isn't a must-win game, does that on a subconscious level affect your approach to the game? I'm not saying they won't try to win the game, but it's not do or die like it is for the Suns.

I thought the Suns would rescue at least a split during their Texas trip, and Memphis would slip somehow... but neither happened. I think Memphis will come out tomorrow to clinch that seed.

[Robz4000]

Grizz win, making the game Wednesday actually competitive. Still not sure which of the two I'd like to face. Spurs sweep either but both could pose problems for MethKC.

[Thread]

You should go back and fuck your mother some more.

[Rogue]

Dallas will have no incentive to go out 100% against Memphis if the Grizzlies lost to the Suns (a precondition for the Suns to make the playoffs) because then the Mavs would've secured the #7 spot already, which means the game would be meaningless to them mavs so they'll just tank the game and rest for the upcoming playoffs imho. Suns are fucked either way, no matter they beat Memphis or lose to them.

[Thread]

^As the way it should be. They've been jackassing now for 6 months. Too good to make a move. Too good to talk trade & turkey. Now all that's left is O & 46 + pay Bledsoe his money. Shades of a punk this season as he was even on his best behavior. Watch him. Watch him after they pay him.

Chop/chop.

[Seventyniner]

Dallas will have no incentive to go out 100% against Memphis if the Grizzlies lost to the Suns (a precondition for the Suns to make the playoffs) because then the Mavs would've secured the #7 spot already, which means the game would be meaningless to them mavs so they'll just tank the game and rest for the upcoming playoffs imho. Suns are fucked either way, no matter they beat Memphis or lose to them.

If the Warriors somehow lose out the Mavs can still climb to #6 and dodge the Thunder.

[Xylus]

Suns have to win out and hope Dallas beats Memphis in the finale. Suns have to finish up a game on Memphis because the Grizz won the season series regardless of tomorrow night's game.

Memphis clinches playoff spot with a win tomorrow night and that would set up a season finale home game against Dallas for the 7 seed.

Even if the Suns win, that clinches the 7 seed for Dallas and sets up a finale where Memphis is playing for the 8 seed against the JV Mavericks. So I'm guessing Memphis will try to win the game tomorrow night knowing that in their back pocket they have a home game against the Dallas scrubs to clinch a playoff spot. This isn't 2011 and I'm sure both these teams would rather take their chances against OKC instead of being quickly disemboweled by the Spurs. So as a Mavs fan I will be rooting hard for the Suns!

Even if the Suns bring a little more effort to the table tonight against the Grizz, it won't necessarily translate into a W. Because the team is so young and inexperienced, even when they play hard in do-or-die games, they tend to lose their focus in the 2nd half against playoff-caliber teams. We saw it against San Antonio and then the very next night against Dallas. The Suns seemed to control the game going into the 3rd quarter, but the more experienced squad turned the tide pretty quickly.

If the Suns had reached the playoffs and then got beat in 4 or 5 games, it still would be preferable to moving up in the draft. The 14-pick is historically uneventful, and that extra playoff experience would be pretty handy going into next year.

Seeing a young team blow expectations out of the water and then not make the playoffs with 48 wins is really, really tough to swallow.

[Xylus]

Looking back, it's hard to believe that this starting lineup will end the season with 47-49 wins:

Goran Dragic
Eric Bledsoe
PJ Tucker
Channing Frye
Miles Plumlee

:lmao

[Thread]

Looking back, it's hard to believe that this starting lineup will end the season with 47-49 wins:

Goran Dragic
Eric Bledsoe
PJ Tucker
Channing Frye
Miles Plumlee

:lmao

But, that ain't the mark, X. The mark is winning the last game in June. That's it. You don't get a pass because you like to have (fun) and you're cute as a button. No. We're all on the same plan.

& another thing, daddy-O...go back and get your fuckin' shine box.

[CitizenDwayne]

:fishing

[Spur-Addict]

^As the way it should be. They've been jackassing now for 6 months. Too good to make a move. Too good to talk trade & turkey. Now all that's left is O & 46 + pay Bledsoe his money. Shades of a punk this season as he was even on his best behavior. Watch him. Watch him after they pay him.

Chop/chop.

You sound a little upset about the Gasol Non-event earlier this season. :rollin

[Thread]

You sound a little upset about the Gasol Non-event earlier this season. :rollin

Because they were small time assholes,,,too good to sit down & talk trade. Noses up in the air, refusing to sit with us. So afraid they'd fuck up, or, not fuck us up. So afraid they'd pull another Len, or, another Archie. Now look at 'em. Got Texas'ed.

Big shots.

[Arcadian]

I think Phoenix wins out, but unfortunately they don't control their destiny.

[Clipper Nation]

You sound a little upset about the Gasol Non-event earlier this season. :rollin
No gratitude towards the man who brought "his" Lakers two alpha rings.... SMH....

[Sean Cagney]

I have no idea what expectations Sunsfan had for the season, but I would think they would be fairly happy? Young team, shows a lot of pride and battle every night. Hornacek should get some credit too, he did a good job.
They were a very good team this year.

[look_at_g_shred]

They were a very good team this year.

[BillMc]

I could be reading this wrong, but the Suns best hope is for a win (obviously) and a Warriors loss. Because if the Warriors lose out Dallas can catch them for the number 6 slot. That would mean Dallas would be motivated in Wednesday's game against Memphis and dramatically increase their chances of beating the Grizz. If the Mavs have no shot at the number 6 slot, Dallas probably rests its starters and Memphis wins easily eliminating the Suns.

[Findog]

I could be reading this wrong, but the Suns best hope is for a win (obviously) and a Warriors loss. Because if the Warriors lose out Dallas can catch them for the number 6 slot. That would mean Dallas would be motivated in Wednesday's game against Memphis and dramatically increase their chances of beating the Grizz. If the Mavs have no shot at the number 6 slot, Dallas probably rests its starters and Memphis wins easily eliminating the Suns.

I thought Golden State already clinched the 6 seed.

[BillMc]

I thought Golden State already clinched the 6 seed.

Nope. If Golden State loses their last two they finish 49-33. If Dallas wins their 1 remaining game they're 50-32.

[Findog]

Nope. If Golden State loses their last two they finish 49-33. If Dallas wins their 1 remaining game they're 50-32.

Gotcha.

[Thread]

No gratitude towards the man who brought "his" Lakers two alpha rings.... SMH....

Gasol can't win a single playoff game lest Kobe is holding on to his ass scratcher. He was gonna be a big wheel a year ago this time. Him & Nash were gonna show us, show Kobe, show the world they could cut the mustard without him.

HA.

[Spur-Addict]

No gratitude towards the man who brought "his" Lakers two alpha rings.... SMH....

Shocking, really. And the fact that they can't see they needed Gasol+Bynum to=Shaq. Yet they shit on Shaq, and shit on Gasol. Giving Robin all the credit. SMH

I mean, the air about him is all wrong. Thread sounds like Dallas never happened. Better yet, he sounds like he's latching on the throne, grasping. But time is up, we've already yelled cut, when it comes to the Larry O'Brien, they'll see no more action. Tragic, yes it's so tragic. The fall from grace....

[Thread]

Shocking, really. And the fact that they can't see they needed Gasol+Bynum to=Shaq. Yet they shit on Shaq, and shit on Gasol. Giving Robin all the credit. SMH

I mean, the air about him is all wrong. Thread (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) sounds like Dallas never happened. Better yet, he sounds like he's latching on the throne, grasping. But time is up, we've already yelled cut, when it comes to the Larry O'Brien, they'll see no more action. Tragic, yes it's so tragic. The fall from grace....

Because Daddy let his mouth overload his ass. Like Confederate Railroad states:::"when you leave like that you can never go back." Now to Gasol...he's a shifty foreigner and I don't like that...at all.

I plotted my trough with Kobe, lodged a shoulder to his & went on.

Kids,,,I ain't ever looked back.

[Thread]

Gotcha.

& you--you son-of-a-bitch, you I don't forget. I don't forgive. You rat bastard, you.

[Spur-Addict]

Because Daddy let his mouth overload his ass. Like Confederate Railroad states:::"when you leave like that you can never go back." Now to Gasol...he's a shifty foreigner and I don't like that...at all.

I plotted my trough with Kobe, lodged a shoulder to his & went on.

Kids,,,I ain't ever looked back.

Yes, kick a legend to the curb and say he ran his mouth after he didn't get the money. You can complain about giving the money and respect the legacy. But you can't kick the foundation to the curb and say thanks for all the hard work. That's like kicking a father out of his own home after 30 some odd years of providing because he isn't making peak money any more. Makes no sense. And that nonsense about Gasol, cop out.

[Clipper Nation]

Now to Gasol...he's a shifty foreigner and I don't like that...at all.

You've nary room, your Kirby is Italian.

[Findog]

& you--you son-of-a-bitch, you I don't forget. I don't forgive. You rat bastard, you.

Let's hug it out, bitch.

[Thread]

You've nary room, your Kirby is Italian.

& his parents should be beat for permitting that to take place.

[Thread]

Yes, kick a legend to the curb and say he ran his mouth after he didn't get the money. You can complain about giving the money and respect the legacy. But you can't kick the foundation to the curb and say thanks for all the hard work. That's like kicking a father out of his own home after 30 some odd years of providing because he isn't making peak money any more. Makes no sense. And that nonsense about Gasol, cop out.

Daddy was insolent. He made his bed. Let him die in it.

He wanted to be The Skipper to Kobe's Gilligan and Kobe wouldn't do it. That was the crux of the whole case. Kobe wasn't brought up like that. Had he come from a broken home then yes, that arrangement would have probably taken place though to what amount of success still isn't clear.

[Thread]

Let's hug it out, bitch.

Apologize and we'll carry on, Findog. You did me damnable dirt. I comforted you in your time of trial. My reward? You shit right in the my face. I never saw it coming. Not from you. Because of your sponsorship in the EC I was summarily canned and had to come back sneakin' in the back door. How do you think I felt coming in the House of Ellis' back door?

[Mori Chu]

^As the way it should be. They've been jackassing now for 6 months. Too good to make a move. Too good to talk trade & turkey. Now all that's left is O & 46 + pay Bledsoe his money. Shades of a punk this season as he was even on his best behavior. Watch him. Watch him after they pay him.

Chop/chop.

I have faith in the new GM, McDonough. He'll either keep the guy on a reasonable deal, or let him walk. And whatever he's paid, he'll earn it next year. Watch.

[Thread]

I have faith in the new GM, McDonough. He'll either keep the guy on a reasonable deal, or let him walk. And whatever he's paid, he'll earn it next year. Watch.

I think he's militant hiding in sheep's clothing. He's gonna make you sorry, but, they'll sign him,,,no matter what.

[Rogue]

If you're a Suns player or coach, you know that your reward for putting off elimination for one night is setting up Memphis to play T-ball against Dallas. On a subconscious level, that has to affect your approach to the game.

I see whottt you mean, but I don't think it makes a difference as to their approach. Not like they have anything to gain by resting players/tanking because they think there's a good shot Memphis will just tee off on Dallas. And it's not like their lottery chances will change any if they get eliminated tonight or Wednesday. If anything it will take the pressure off of PHX

[Rogue]

GS's last two games are hosting Minnesota and @ Denver. Doubt they'll lost both of those

[Killakobe81]

Looking back, it's hard to believe that this starting lineup will end the season with 47-49 wins:

Goran Dragic
Eric Bledsoe
PJ Tucker
Channing Frye
Miles Plumlee

:lmao

Bledsoe missed time in a critical stretch too ...
Hornacek did much better than I thought.
The improvement by the twins and Plumlee were huge.

Dragic is a nails.
LOL rockets Im pretty sure Goran would of taken Lin money if offered
...He cant be making that much more can he?

and No, I dont follow player salaries ...

[Spur-Addict]

Daddy was insolent. He made his bed. Let him die in it.

He wanted to be The Skipper to Kobe's Gilligan and Kobe wouldn't do it. That was the crux of the whole case. Kobe wasn't brought up like that. Had he come from a broken home then yes, that arrangement would have probably taken place though to what amount of success still isn't clear.

What do you mean, WANTED TO BE? :lmao He was, and always will be.

[Venti Quattro]

Game on!!

[ace3g]

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MEM (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/mem/memphis-grizzlies)
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PHX (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/phx/phoenix-suns)
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[ace3g]

Miller having one of those "why did Heat get rid of him" games



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[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

If Phoenix wins tonight, barring a Dallas tank, they should make it in the playoffs. Grizz are playing hard right now and they would be exhausted for a b2b against Dallas. Plus I think Dallas would beat them. Not enough weapons for the Grizz to exploit that below average defense of the Mavs.

[Texas_Ranger]

If Phoenix wins tonight, barring a Dallas tank, they should make it in the playoffs. Grizz are playing hard right now and they would be exhausted for a b2b against Dallas. Plus I think Dallas would beat them. Not enough weapons for the Grizz to exploit that below average defense of the Mavs.

its not a b2b

[spurraider21]

bledsoe has been awfully mistake prone in crunch-time in the latter part of this season.

edit: of course he does that right after i post this :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

What the fuck is this shit, a woman announcer, tbh?..

What a way to ruin a good game, smh..

[ElNono]

Dragon choking... he needs to load up on HGH during the offseason, tbh

[spurraider21]

Grizzles/Suns are at 95-91 with the 4th about to end...

meanwhile Warriors/Wolves are 95-92 and the 3rd is about to end

[HarlemHeat37]

I didn't start watching until mid 4th, why does Gang Signs only have 4 shot attempts and 19 minutes?..

[spurraider21]

what a horrible shot. they really couldn't run a play?

[ElNono]

damn Dragon... good season anyways

[spurraider21]

wow Drago... wow

[Robz4000]

So who should Spurfan root root for Wednesday, Mavs or Grizz?

[ElNono]

I didn't start watching until mid 4th, why does Gang Signs only have 4 shot attempts and 19 minutes?..

They put tayshawn on him and couldn't jack up his usual amount of garbage shots...

[ElNono]

So who should Spurfan root root for Wednesday, Mavs or Grizz?

I'll take the Mavs due to shorter trip...

[HarlemHeat37]

Damn, the most underrated player in the league choking, tbh..

[crc21209]

Mike Miller was huge tonight for the Grizz. 21 points and 5/6 from three..

[timtonymanu]

:lmao Conley, really

[HarlemHeat37]

Phoenix runs some of the worst end of game plays in the league:lol..

[ElNono]

Hornacek did a good job, tbh... but hopefully this seals Pop for COTY

[Robz4000]

I'll take the Mavs due to shorter trip...

I feel as if Dallas could threaten OKC in a first round match up more than Memphis, but the chances of either knocking them off is low. However, Grizz would give them a physical series followed by a bloodbath against the Clips.

[ElNono]

not gonna throw down gang signs tonight... :lol

[Arcadian]

:lol bledsoe

[spurraider21]

Phoenix runs some of the worst end of game plays in the league:lol..
i'm not even sure they're running plays :lol

[ElNono]

I feel as if Dallas could threaten OKC in a first round match up more than Memphis, but the chances of either knocking them off is low. However, Grizz would give them a physical series followed by a bloodbath against the Clips.

Grizz eliminated them last season (without Westbrook). Doesn't mean a whole lot, but there's obviously an extra degree of familiarity there. I expect OKC to beat either, tbh.

[crc21209]

So it all comes down to Wednesday...

[Clipper Nation]

All I know is this: Dallas ain't getting in.
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[313]

"@JMcDonald_SAEN: Wednesday in Memphis, it's Grizzlies vs. Mavericks. Loser plays the Spurs in the first round."

[Thread]

Gonna be big shots. Gonna do it their way, and no other way.

Get your fuckin' shine box and report to Snookie.

ha, ha. Look at me. I'm dancin'!!!!!!!!!

[HI-FI]

"@JMcDonald_SAEN: Wednesday in Memphis, it's Grizzlies vs. Mavericks. Loser plays the Spurs in the first round."

happy Spurs are avoiding Suns. too young, too much of a Cinderella angle.

[spurraider21]

happy Spurs are avoiding Suns. too young, too much of a Cinderella angle.
while we'd beat either team easily, i think Memphis would wear on us a bit more. not worried either way

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

OKC does not like being put in half court games... Memphis could be a troublesome match for them.

[313]

I want Mavs in round 1, bc then we wouldn't have to leave Texas until the WCF, assuming we make it that far. Plus, MEM has OKC's number.

[HarlemHeat37]

Spurs beat Dallas in 5
Spurs beat Memphis in 4
Thunder beat Mavs in 5
Thunder beat Grizzlies in 5

[313]

Spurs beat Dallas in 5
Spurs beat Memphis in 4
Thunder beat Mavs in 5
Thunder beat Grizzlies in 5

Memphis beat Thunder in 6*

[HarlemHeat37]

Memphis beat Thunder in 6*

:lol you want to put $$$ on that?..

[313]

:lol you want to put $$$ on that?..
How much?

[Kool Bob Love]

How much?

Make sure it's American money. Not some shitty Canadian currency.

[HarlemHeat37]

How much?

Any amount you want, tbh..

I'll give you 2-1, too..

[sook]

HH37 asking for investment ideas when the easiest way to make a profit was in front of his eyes all along :lol


Thats a pretty gutsy bet btw, SpursFan313, props for making it if you do.

[spurraider21]

HH37 asking for investment ideas when the easiest way to make a profit was in front of his eyes all along :lol
:lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol I destroyed NBA betting this year, I finished +93 units, tbh, capped off with arguably my easiest wins of the year tonight(Rockets and Wiz)..

[Sean Cagney]

I'll take the Mavs due to shorter trip...

I feel we end up playing the Mavs in the first round.

[sook]

I have a pretty superficial understanding of how sports betting works...so those terms are pretty much lost on me :lol


I do remember reading that it was a billion dollar industry somewhere, so there are some dudes making an absolute killing every year...

[313]

Any amount you want, tbh..

I'll give you 2-1, too..
It's just a friendly bet, $20 bucks sound good?

[313]

Make sure it's American money. Not some shitty Canadian currency.

:lol Canadians

[HarlemHeat37]

It's just a friendly bet, $20 bucks sound good?

Cool, tbh..

[Leon Black]

Doesn't matter...... SA is getting curb stomped in the second round by H-Town.

[Xylus]

FUUUUUUUUUU

[Thread]

Doesn't matter...... SA is getting curb stomped in the second round by H-Town.

That would suit me right down to the nubs.

[Mori Chu]

Grizz are a tough matchup for Suns. We have no big men who can stop a big tractor butt forward like Donkey Kong Z-Bo or Fat Gasol. Really the Suns' season was blown by losing the back-to-back games against SA and DAL, and to a lesser extent by choking a gimme game against LAL the week before.