David Robinson: Dirk Nowitzki is "clearly the best international player ever"

[wildchild]

It's a little irrelevant thread when the playoffs start next week, but as the Spurs have two great international players like Tony and Manu, the Robinson's statement could be...

-interesting?
-controversial?
-wrong?
-true?


David Robinson, a 2009 Hall of Fame inductee, also marvels at Nowitzki’s achievements and how his career has soared worldwide.

“There is probably no international player that has brought to the game what he’s brought to the game,” Robinson said. “He has a sustained level of excellence, and really from the first time he came in the league he showed what he can do and has never backed down and he seems like he still hasn’t slowed down.

“Even after all these years he’s still putting up ridiculous numbers. He’s clearly the best international player ever.”

http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/04/14/5738026/basketball-hall-of-famers-shower.html

[ElNono]

Talent/Skills wise, he's probably right.

[Drachen]

I agree with the admiral.it would be hard to make a case otherwise.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Interesting take since he got raped by the Dream in 96'

[Johnny RIngo]

It's a little irrelevant thread when the playoffs start next week, but as the Spurs have two great international players like Tony and Manu, the Robinson's statement could be...

-interesting?
-controversial?
-wrong?
-true?



http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/04/14/5738026/basketball-hall-of-famers-shower.html

Nothing controversial about that statement. Parker's a post-season choke artist and Manu's too fragile/injury prone to ever be a franchise player. Pau is closer to Dirk than either TP or Manu.

[DesignatedT]

He clearly is. Not a big deal. He's been a lot more consistent over a longer period of time.

[Brazil]

So Hakeem is not an international player ?

[Brazil]

Nothing controversial about that statement. Parker's a post-season choke artist and Manu's too fragile/injury prone to ever be a franchise player. Pau is closer to Dirk than either TP or Manu.

Shut up faggot

[Biernutz]

Where should you rate Manu? Gold medal,Three rings, plays offense and he plays defense.

[baseline bum]

Nowitzki is way better than Parker or Ginobili. Dude has an MVP and carried a team with no real #2 guy to a title, including one of the biggest Finals upsets ever. Nowitzki is closer to the level of Duncan than Parker,Ginobili are to the level of Nowitzki.

[Robz4000]

Dirk's up there but if Hakeem is considered an international player I'd have to choose him. Dirk's second tho with TP/MVPau tied for third (unless we're talking about total career and not just NBA, otherwise Manu is clearly third).

[Biernutz]

Dirk is the best pure shooter but spotty on defense.

[ElNono]

Manu's best years were 2000 to roughly 2008... unlike a lot of these guys, he came to the league late and already at the top of his game. While somebody could make the argument that Manu's peak was better, Dirk innate talent is better, and he's been doing it for longer as the #1 guy.

[8FOR!3]

Hakeem isn't spoken as an International basketball player bc he went to college in the US and played before going to the NBA. Obviously he's foreign.

[ElNono]

Nash should be somewhere on the list too, IMO. He never ended up winning anything, but he was a 2x NBA MVP and could be pretty dominant on offense.

[DPG21920]

Manu's best years were 2000 to roughly 2008... unlike a lot of these guys, he came to the league late and already at the top of his game. While somebody could make the argument that Manu's peak was better, Dirk innate talent is better, and he's been doing it for longer as the #1 guy.

What?? Manu is an amazing player but his peak is not as good as Dirks. I take peak to mean their best season essentially. Dirks best season was MVP.

[Mugen]

Dirk is a top 10-15 player of all time. This statement is like D-Rob saying Duncan is the best PF of all time. You can argue but you'd be wrong.

Hakeem is as much an international player as Timmy is tbh. They don't count.

[Kidd K]

I don't think Hakeem counts. But yeah DRob is right. Manu is not better than Dirk.

[ElNono]

What?? Manu is an amazing player but his peak is not as good as Dirks. I take peak to mean their best season essentially. Dirks best season was MVP.

I take peak as playing at your absolute best. Even then, it's debatable. That's why I said somebody else would have to make that argument.

[Brazil]

What?? Manu is an amazing player but his peak is not as good as Dirks. I take peak to mean their best season essentially. Dirks best season was MVP.

In before daf and Manu > Dirk

Hakeem is the number one, dirk clear second, then you have Nash, Manu, Parker, Pau, Sabonis...

[ElNono]

In before daf and Manu > Dirk

Hakeem is the number one, dirk clear second, then you have Nash, Manu, Parker, Pau, Sabonis...

You can add Dražen Petrović too.

[Brazil]

If Hakeem is out then David is right and it's not even close

[Sean Cagney]

Dirk is a top 10-15 player of all time. This statement is like D-Rob saying Duncan is the best PF of all time. You can argue but you'd be wrong.

Hakeem is as much an international player as Timmy is tbh. They don't count.
You are correct, Tim and Hakeem are not international players as far as I am concerned. Going to college here in North America pretty much writes that off IMO. Dirk is the best international player ever and to me there is no debate.

[Brazil]

You can add Dražen Petrović too.

Divac too, we must missing some others

[Brazil]

Divac too, we must missing some others

Kukoc

[ElNono]

Detlef Schrempf

There's quite a few of them when you think back...

[ElNono]

Though Schrempf did play college ball in the US too...

[ajh18]

Dirk is a top 10-15 player of all time. This statement is like D-Rob saying Duncan is the best PF of all time. You can argue but you'd be wrong.

Hakeem is as much an international player as Timmy is tbh. They don't count.

Hakeem also played for the US in the Olympics in 1996 and became a naturalized US citizen.

[Brazil]

Though Schrempf did play college ball in the US too...

Yeah same as Rik Smits

[Mugen]

:lol Are we just naming international players we remember tbh?

[gilmor]

Nothing controversial about that statement. Parker's a post-season choke artist and Manu's too fragile/injury prone to ever be a franchise player. Pau is closer to Dirk than either TP or Manu.

Get a life man.. Look at cycling.. Paris Roubaix..

[ElNono]

:lol Are we just naming international players we remember tbh?

yeah :lol

[Brazil]

:lol Are we just naming international players we remember tbh?

:lol yeah Smits is probably the limit

hell we forgot about George Muresan :lmao

[ElNono]

Mengke Bateer has as many rings as Dirk :lol

[Mugen]

Can't forget about my niggas Yao, DJ Rony Seikaly, Luis Scola, etc if we are debating the Top 100 international players of all time tbh :lol

[baseline bum]

Dirk is a top 10-15 player of all time. This statement is like D-Rob saying Duncan is the best PF of all time. You can argue but you'd be wrong.

Hakeem is as much an international player as Timmy is tbh. They don't count.

I agree. Hakeem played 3 seasons at University of Houston, Timmy 4 seasons at Wake Forest, so that make them products of the American system.

[Mugen]

This wouldn't even be a debate if the commies let prime Sabonis play in the US tbh.

[hater]

While somebody could make the argument that Manu's peak was better.

:lol no. Nobody in their right mind could possibly make that argument. Even when speaking in terms of absolute peak, only an idiot would say Manus was better.

Dirk took a shit on lebald wade and bosh. Manu never even came close.

[Brazil]

This wouldn't even be a debate if the commies let prime Sabonis play in the US tbh.

Truth bomb here

Sabonis would have been an all time great

[Brazil]

Can't forget about my niggas Yao, DJ Rony Seikaly, Luis Scola, etc if we are debating the Top 100 international players of all time tbh :lol

:lol I had forgotten Yao tbh

[baseline bum]

This wouldn't even be a debate if the commies let prime Sabonis play in the US tbh.

Prime Sabonis + Drexler + Porter + Kersey + Buck Williams + Petrovic + Cliff Robinson. Holy shit, the West would have been fucked for so long and Jordan would have probably retired with 3-4 rings max.

[SpursFan86]

Yeah, many people don't consider Hakeem an international player since he came and played college ball at Houston. If you're excluding Hakeem, then Dirk is #1 and it's not even close.

[ElNono]

Prime Sabonis + Drexler + Porter + Kersey + Buck Williams + Petrovic + Cliff Robinson. Holy shit, the West would have been fucked for so long and Jordan would have probably retired with 3-4 rings max.

Wish Drexler would still be playing... anything to keep him away from a mic...

[baseline bum]

Wish Drexler would still be playing... anything to keep him away from a mic...

How does a team replace Calvin Murphy for color commentary and the broadcasts get worse?

[Brazil]

Wish Drexler would still be playing... anything to keep him away from a mic...

:lol the glide

[Mugen]

Prime Sabonis + Drexler + Porter + Kersey + Buck Williams + Petrovic + Cliff Robinson. Holy shit, the West would have been fucked for so long and Jordan would have probably retired with 3-4 rings max.

:lol tlong tbh

[Mugen]

Wish Drexler would still be playing... anything to keep him away from a mic...

You woulda thought Clyde was a former NFL player with how incoherent the Rockets broadcasts are :lol

[therealtruth]

I think you've got to give it to Dirk. He basically carried the Mavs to the championship in '11.

[baseline bum]

:lol tlong tbh

Or you draft this guy and pair him with prime Sabonis:

http://p.twimg.com/Awfjmx2CMAA-yyK.jpg:large

[Brazil]

Or you draft this guy and pair him with prime Sabonis:

http://p.twimg.com/Awfjmx2CMAA-yyK.jpg:large

Not 1 not 2...

[baseline bum]

tlongII man, what happened? Could have been

C Prime Sabonis
F Buck Williams
F Prime Jordan
G Prime Drexler
G Terry Porter
6 Jerome Kersey
7 Drazen Petrovic
8 Cliff Robinson
9 Danny Ainge
10 Kevin Duckworth
11-12 WGAF?

[Brazil]

srsly though, is dirk the best white-skinneded nba playa evuh?

don't give me any bob cousy-pettit tripe

Bird say hello

[ElNono]

It actually hurts watching Dirk play these days... don't know how much longer those knees are gonna hold up... he still makes those impossible turnaround shots though...

[KawhiLeonard]

Sabonis before the injuries tbh

[313]

tlongII man, what happened? Could have been

C Prime Sabonis
F Buck Williams
F Prime Jordan
G Prime Drexler
G Terry Porter
6 Jerome Kersey
7 Drazen Petrovic
8 Cliff Robinson
9 Danny Ainge
10 Kevin Duckworth
11-12 WGAF?

Could they have had Jordan with Drexler?

[testies]

don't forget Oscar Schimdt

[superjames1992]

It's a little irrelevant thread when the playoffs start next week, but as the Spurs have two great international players like Tony and Manu, the Robinson's statement could be...

-interesting?
-controversial?
-wrong?
-true?



http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/04/14/5738026/basketball-hall-of-famers-shower.html
Agree with the Admiral, tbh......

[superjames1992]

Dirk > Manu

http://juweonnago.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/dirk.jpg

And Dirk >>> Enrique, but we already knew that.

[baseline bum]

Could they have had Jordan with Drexler?

Yes, they drafted Drexler in 83 and drafted Bowie in 84 because they already had Drexler.

[TheyCallMePro]

Blasphemy. Especially since the best international player ever is currently on his own team--Manu Ginobili.

Everyone gives Dirk a break. Why? He's had great teams around him his whole career. And only 1 Championship. He's a 7 foot jump shooter. Finess as Hell. No WAY he's better than Manu. Pop just knows were about to play the Mavs because Memphis is going to beat them tomorrow. Trying to make them feel good about the beat-down they're about to receive no doubt.

[RD2191]

Does Dirk even defense?

[Biernutz]

Has anyone ever thought of Dirk as a defense stopper. No...But as the best international jump shooter ..Yes.....

[Man In Black]

Hakeem is an International. The NBA defines International as any player born outside the 50 states. That's why Tim Duncan is an international from USVI. JJ Barea is Puerto Rican and he's considered an International. Even though Chris Kaman played for Germany in the FIBA Tourney's in the past, he isn't considered an International.
Same for Serge Ibaka, who is from Congo, but plays for Team Spain. He, too is an international.
Kyrie Irving was born in Australia. You'll find him on the list too.

[tenbeersbold]

Really Dirk,idk...dude is just freakishly tall for his position and has a high unguardable shot release

Combine that with the fact that he commits an offensive foul on his signature shot about half the time he takes it

Ya know that old lower the shoulder and plow into the defender to get space for his shot move...most other players that's an offensive foul sorry

We wont even go into the matador D he plays...that vicious dunk by Leonard over him last game was vintage Dirk.lmao standing around with a pissed off look on his face trying to blame anybody but himself for pulling an "ole" as Leonard flew by

Sides he's got no ring w/o Chandler...that's the dude who won it for them,not him

http://www.uni.edu/becker/intl_spain_bullfight.gif

[Fireball]

As Olajuwon played for the US national team in 96 I never saw him as an international player. Of course he is and then its a contest with Dirk. Otherwise its a no brainer that Dirk is the best ... Manu, Tony, Detlef, Rik, Vlade, Kukoc? cmon, not even close

[Venti Quattro]

Hakeem is Nigerian-American. If he's talking from a "no American citizenship whatsoever" p.o.v., saying Dirk is correct.


As Olajuwon played for the US national team in 96 I never saw him as an international player. Of course he is and then its a contest with Dirk. Otherwise its a no brainer that Dirk is the best ... Manu, Tony, Detlef, Rik, Vlade, Kukoc? cmon, not even close

Shawn Bradley > Dirk

[Spursfanfromafar]

Technically, Tim Duncan is.

But more correctly, _irk Nowitzki is the most unique, revolutionary offensive player in the NBA ever..and that itself qualifies him for being the best ever international player.

[BatManu20]

Dave is right. And if Dirk played defense he'd be top 10 all time imo.

[Fireball]

Shawn Bradley > Dirk Bradley was bigger, that's true :lol

[spurraider21]

how the hell are people leaving Shane Heal off the list?

[exstatic]

dirk makes larry bird look like larry flynt

If you held a draft of those two players, I'd pick Bird first 100 times out of 100 tries. Bird's career was cut short by back injuries but his per game #s shit on Dirk's. Imagine Dirk's body carrying around Manu's testicles and creativity. That starts to describe Bird.

LB 24p/10r/6.3as
DN 22.5p/8r/2.6as

[Raven]

Nowitzki is way better than Parker or Ginobili. Dude has an MVP and carried a team with no real #2 guy to a title, including one of the biggest Finals upsets ever. Nowitzki is closer to the level of Duncan than Parker,Ginobili are to the level of Nowitzki.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

And I believe he got his citizenship early as well. But Hakeem is an international player as well as Tim Duncan. USVI is its own country remember. Its just a commonwealth of the the US. But Tim as always been an American Citizen that is why most don't consider him Int'l.

Hakeem is the best Int'l player ever. Dirk is probably #2.

[George Gervin's Afro]

he's right

[EVAY]

Nothing controversial about that statement. Parker's a post-season choke artist and Manu's too fragile/injury prone to ever be a franchise player. Pau is closer to Dirk than either TP or Manu.

And you are the most tedious, one-note "johnny" to ever appear in an alleged "fan" chat room. Please go away.

[jag]

Nowitzki is way better than Parker or Ginobili. Dude has an MVP and carried a team with no real #2 guy to a title, including one of the biggest Finals upsets ever. Nowitzki is closer to the level of Duncan than Parker,Ginobili are to the level of Nowitzki.

This is pretty much all that needs to be said.

[EVAY]

Robinson has a bad habit of forgetting people…like when he forgot Timmy at his (David's) own retirement gala at the AT&T center. Timmy is international, and I would argue that Ginobili, in his prime, was better than Dirk, and Hakeem was DEFINITELY better than Dirk.

Robinson was probably trying to be nice, but he puts his foot in his mouth fairly frequently when talking about other players.

[Phenomanul]

If you held a draft of those two players, I'd pick Bird first 100 times out of 100 tries. Bird's career was cut short by back injuries but his per game #s shit on Dirk's. Imagine Dirk's body carrying around Manu's testicles and creativity. That starts to describe Bird.

LB 24p/10r/6.3as
DN 22.5p/8r/2.6as

And Bird played in an era with rougher defenses that hacked the hell out of perimeter players...

also reference my signature... Bird was a gamer...

[gilmor]

Robinson has a bad habit of forgetting people…like when he forgot Timmy at his (David's) own retirement gala at the AT&T center. Timmy is international, and I would argue that Ginobili, in his prime, was better than Dirk, and Hakeem was DEFINITELY better than Dirk.

Robinson was probably trying to be nice, but he puts his foot in his mouth fairly frequently when talking about other players.

As a person, Robinson is prob the best as any nba player can hope to be.. and he is damn bloody smart

[ManuTastic]

Patrick Ewing was born in Jamaica.

Just sayin'...

[ManuTastic]

Yes, they drafted Drexler in 83 and drafted Bowie in 84 because they already had Drexler.

And in 2007 they drafted Oden instead of Durant. Whiffing on two HOFers for injury-prone centers. Poor Portland.

[Drom John]

By WS
Tim Duncan (but is is U.S. Virgin Islands)
Dirk Nowitzki (so I'd agree with DRob, but for the "clearly")
Hakeem Olajuwon
Steve Nash
Patrick Ewing
Dominique Wilkins (military brat born in France)
Dikembe Mutombo
Pau Gasol
Detlef Schremf
Vlade Divac
Tony Parker
Manu Ginobili

37 Tom Meschery
38 Boris Diaw
39 Anderson Verajao

69 Mikeal Pietrius
70 Tiago Splitter
71 Ronny Turiaf

80 Luc Mbah a Moute
81 Marco Belinelli
82 John Brown

[baseline bum]

And in 2007 they drafted Oden instead of Durant. Whiffing on two HOFers for injury-prone centers. Poor Portland.

And then they whiffed again by picking Lollard over Drummond tbh.

[Brazil]

To sum up

best international (if Hakeem is considered as american) Dirk
best white Bird

[EVAY]

As a person, Robinson is prob the best as any nba player can hope to be.. and he is damn bloody smart

Your comment is a bit of a non-sequitur to mine. As a person, I am also damn bloody smart (and nothing I said indicated that Robinson was not smart, nice or a great player), but that doesn't mean I don't get absent minded from time to time…just like Robinson!!

Chill out, dude.

[ohmwrecker]

Manu is great, but he never carried a franchise. Dirk > Manu. It's a pointless to debate it.

[Johnny RIngo]

Shut up faggot

Parker:
.551 - Reg Season TS%
.516 - Post Season TS%

Dirk:
.582 - Reg Season TS%
.584 - Post Season TS%

Parker isn't even in Pau's league, let alone Dirk's. TP might not even be good enough to crack a top 5 international list TBQH.

[Johnny RIngo]

And you are the most tedious, one-note "johnny" to ever appear in an alleged "fan" chat room. Please go away.

I love the Spurs but Parker deserves all the criticism and more. He was the reason we lost the 2004 Conference Semis against the Lakers. He was the only member of the big three to under perform against the Mavs in '06. Proceeded to hero-ball the Spurs out of a championship last year. Those were three very winnable years for the Spurs.

[Leetonidas]

I love the Spurs but Parker deserves all the criticism and more. He was the reason we lost the 2004 Conference Semis against the Lakers. He was the only member of the big three to under perform against the Mavs in '06. Proceeded to hero-ball the Spurs out of a championship last year. Those were three very winnable years for the Spurs.

What the fuck? :lmao

TP was the reason Spurs were up 2-0. Lakers decided to pack the paint, it's not Parker's fault that Hedo's nuts shriveled along with the rest of the Spurs' shooters.

[Leetonidas]

And how the fuck did he hero ball us out of a championship? Nigga almost LITERALLY hero'd us to a title in the last 2 minutes of Game 6. GTFO with that bullshit

[ohmwrecker]

Parker haters are consistently the least knowledgeable posters on the site.

[Prime Time]

How can anyone be arguing this :lol Dirk is the fuckin' man. Here, let me give you an example - put Dirk on the Spurs in exchange for both Tony and Manu from 03-07, and they would have won just as much - if not more rings. Hell, a Duncan-Dirk duo could have even gave the '08 Celtics a run for their money.

Dirk is incredibly good, a top 5 player in his position all-time.

[Johnny RIngo]

What the fuck? :lmao

TP was the reason Spurs were up 2-0. Lakers decided to pack the paint, it's not Parker's fault that Hedo's nuts shriveled along with the rest of the Spurs' shooters.

Shot 7-23 in game five. 4-18 in game six. You don't get credit for only playing two good games. Parker's numbers for the entire six game series:

16.7 ppg on horrendous efficiency(.421 TS%).

Hedo sucked but he was a goddamn role player. If your stars are playing like garbage, it's unreasonable to place all the blame on the scrubs.


And how the fuck did he hero ball us out of a championship? Nigga almost LITERALLY hero'd us to a title in the last 2 minutes of Game 6. GTFO with that bullshit

Shot 6-23 in game six. 3-12 in game seven. Those are terrible shooting numbers from a first option scorer.

[benefactor]

:lol...man...going through this thread must be painful for tlong. That franchise has tripped over it's own dick more times than any other has in sports history.

[Horse]

Dirk is a top 10-15 player of all time. This statement is like D-Rob saying Duncan is the best PF of all time. You can argue but you'd be wrong.

Hakeem is as much an international player as Timmy is tbh. They don't count.

dirk is a great offensive player but one-way players can't be top 10-15 especially 7-footers who can't rebound or block shots.

[Horse]

Shot 7-23 in game five. 4-18 in game six. You don't get credit for only playing two good games. Parker's numbers for the entire six game series:

16.7 ppg on horrendous efficiency(.421 TS%).

Hedo sucked but he was a goddamn role player. If your stars are playing like garbage, it's unreasonable to place all the blame on the scrubs.

The real truth is phil jackson starting is press conference whining and bitching and we never got calls in the paint again. So Parker was getting hammered causing him to miss with no calls.

Shot 6-23 in game six. 3-12 in game seven. Those are terrible shooting numbers from a first option scorer.

[Brazil]

Parker:
.551 - Reg Season TS%
.516 - Post Season TS%

Dirk:
.582 - Reg Season TS%
.584 - Post Season TS%

Parker isn't even in Pau's league, let alone Dirk's. TP might not even be good enough to crack a top 5 international list TBQH.

absolutely nobody brought Parker into that discussion with Dirk dumb fuck.

You brought Parker, nobody has never said anything about Parker being > Dirk ever

We all know you hate Parker, you have 3,000 posts saying the same stuff over and over, we get it really now gtfoh

[Johnny RIngo]

The real truth is phil jackson starting is press conference whining and bitching and we never got calls in the paint again. So Parker was getting hammered causing him to miss with no calls.

:cry refs :cry

[DesignatedT]

Parker haters are consistently the least knowledgeable posters on the site.

[Johnny RIngo]

absolutely nobody brought Parker into that discussion with Dirk dumb fuck.

You brought Parker, nobody has never said anything about Parker being > Dirk ever

We all know you hate Parker, you have 3,000 posts saying the same stuff over and over, we get it really now gtfoh

TP isn't on Pau's level either:

Parker:

.551 - Reg Season TS%
.516 - Post Season TS%

19.1 - Reg Season PER
17.4 - Post-Season PER

Gasol:

.569 - Reg Season TS%
.565 - Post-Season TS%

21.5 - Reg Season PER
20.8 - Post-Season PER

[jsandiego]

"Hey guys, don't forget about me!"

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/MikeGminski/untitled.jpg

[ElNono]

I don't have alts, tbh...

[Brazil]

TP isn't on Pau's level either:

Parker:

.551 - Reg Season TS%
.516 - Post Season TS%

19.1 - Reg Season PER
17.4 - Post-Season PER

Gasol:

.569 - Reg Season TS%
.565 - Post-Season TS%

21.5 - Reg Season PER
20.8 - Post-Season PER

cool and ?

[Mikeanaro]

Admiral is talking nonsense, Hakeem is international... because a guy played in college it doesnt mean they got some advantage over dudes like Parker or Manu or Dirk if you arent from the USA you are international, Dirk over Manu my azz.

[Sportstudi]

Admiral is talking nonsense, Hakeem is international... because a guy played in college it doesnt mean they got some advantage over dudes like Parker or Manu or Dirk if you arent from the USA you are international, Dirk over Manu my azz.

You shouldn't forget that Hakeem became naturalized in the US, he even played for the national team in the Olympic Games in 1996.

[ohmwrecker]

Admiral is talking nonsense, Hakeem is international... because a guy played in college it doesnt mean they got some advantage over dudes like Parker or Manu or Dirk if you arent from the USA you are international, Dirk over Manu my azz.

You had me . . . and you lost me.

[SsKSpurs21]

You are correct, Tim and Hakeem are not international players as far as I am concerned. Going to college here in North America pretty much writes that off IMO. Dirk is the best international player ever and to me there is no debate.

playing for TEAM USA (hakeem 1996, Tim 2004) pretty much writes them off IMO.

[Mikeanaro]

You had me . . . and you lost me.
Sorry man, thats what I feel :p:

[Mikeanaro]

playing for TEAM USA (hakeem 1996, Tim 2004) pretty much writes them off IMO.
Yeah but THEY ARE NOT AMERICANS, I have dual citizenship but that doesnt make me Spanish.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

It's not interesting.
It's not controversial.
It's not wrong.
It is true.

[djohn2oo8]

Could they have had Jordan with Drexler?
Yeah. Also, Rockets could have had Jordan, Drexler, and Hakeem.

[SupremeGuy]

Not counting the Dream, yeah, he probably is. Gino has all the hardware though. Medals and rings aren't what define a player completely though. THOUGH THOUGH THOUGH lol I'm already drinking... :toast

[weeks]

brazil what do guys in france think of the fact that paternity tests are illegal? seems like a lot of cuck jokes to be made there which i know this forum loves

[ElNono]

It's not interesting.
It's not controversial.

True, tbh, only 4 pages so far.

[Sean Cagney]

Yeah but THEY ARE NOT AMERICANS, I have dual citizenship but that doesnt make me Spanish.

They are not considered international players though.

[NickiRasgo]

2011 bro. Yup he is! Imagine if Duncan and Dirk plays with the same team during their prime.

[Mikeanaro]

They are not considered international players though.
They should because thats what they are, for example Ibaka is considered Spanish but he cant even speak 2 words I saw a commercial and it was sad.

[DubMcDub]

Only one in Dirk's stratosphere is Hakeem (he may be ahead, even). Due respect to Parker and Manu.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

So Hakeem is not an international player ?

Maybe he's not regarded as such because he played college while Dirk didn't?

Hakeem >>> Dirk

[Sean Cagney]

They should because thats what they are, for example Ibaka is considered Spanish but he cant even speak 2 words I saw a commercial and it was sad.

US VIRGIN ISLANDS SIR! I believe that is what they call it. Hakeem went to college here as well so many consider him a part of US basketball, plus he played for our NT as well. He is not considered a foreign player by those terms. If we are calling him a international player though then Hakeem is the best I agree. Tim would be up there too.
Maybe he's not regarded as such because he played college while Dirk didn't?

Hakeem >>> Dirk
I believe you are correct on the top part. The bottom one too lol.

[Mikeanaro]

US VIRGIN ISLANDS SIR! I believe that is what they call it. Hakeem went to college here as well so many consider him a part of US basketball, plus he played for our NT as well. He is not considered a foreign player by those terms. If we are calling him a international player though then Hakeem is the best I agree. Tim would be up there too.
I think because Admiral gave his opinion (which is a very valid one) lots of guys here tend to kiss his ass, to me Dirk is a great player no doubt but he is no Hakeem material, someone here was saying he won that championship alone with no #2 sidekick lol The Jet Barea Chandler Kidd Marion were playing at All Star level it was just 3 years ago how easy some people tend to forget things...
The Dream and Dirk are bigs, Manu and Parker arent so is not easy to pick just one player as a whole but I pick Manu over Dirk because he won Gold medal/Italy/NBA and took a big part on every accomplishment, I can´t say the same about Dirk.

[Phillip]

Hakeem > Dirk

But Hakeem is not an international player. Played college ball in USA, and played for the US national team.

It's every bit as retarded as calling Timmy an international player.

[spurraider21]

Hakeem > Dirk

But Hakeem is not an international player. Played college ball in USA, and played for the US national team.

It's every bit as retarded as calling Timmy an international player.
imo calling Duncan international is even more retarded considering the virgin islands are a US territory anyway

[Phillip]

imo calling Duncan international is even more retarded considering the virgin islands are a US territory anyway

lol that too

[Sean Cagney]

I think because Admiral gave his opinion (which is a very valid one) lots of guys here tend to kiss his ass, to me Dirk is a great player no doubt but he is no Hakeem material, someone here was saying he won that championship alone with no #2 sidekick lol The Jet Barea Chandler Kidd Marion were playing at All Star level it was just 3 years ago how easy some people tend to forget things...
The Dream and Dirk are bigs, Manu and Parker arent so is not easy to pick just one player as a whole but I pick Manu over Dirk because he won Gold medal/Italy/NBA and took a big part on every accomplishment, I can´t say the same about Dirk.
Dirk had a very solid deeeeeeeeeep team. Tim in 03 had alot less IMO. He had no all star or near all star next to him! That run was amazing with him as the leader, one of the best playoff runs ever. Dream was better though I am not arguing that at all, no doubt there. I just looked at him moreso US because of the NT and college. I agree on your last part too. Manu lead them to a GOLD! That was huge! The first team to upset team USA too IMO, literally in 02 world games. Manu is slept on.
imo calling Duncan international is even more retarded considering the virgin islands are a US territory anyway

LOL I beat you to that above but I was laughing as well when I read that.

[gilmor]

TP isn't on Pau's level either:

Parker:

.551 - Reg Season TS%
.516 - Post Season TS%

19.1 - Reg Season PER
17.4 - Post-Season PER

Gasol:

.569 - Reg Season TS%
.565 - Post-Season TS%

21.5 - Reg Season PER
20.8 - Post-Season PER



Why bring Parker into this discussion? This is about David praising Dirk.. What has it got to do with Parker? The whole world has a million things happening without Parker.. How come you forever turn every thread into a Parker bashing thread?

[-21-]

I agree with David Robinson tbh. That is, if he doesn't count Hakeem as an international player.

[Brazil]

Why bring Parker into this discussion? This is about David praising Dirk.. What has it got to do with Parker? The whole world has a million things happening without Parker.. How come you forever turn every thread into a Parker bashing thread?

Because he is a faggot on top of being retarded

[TVI]

Why bring Parker into this discussion? This is about David praising Dirk.. What has it got to do with Parker? The whole world has a million things happening without Parker.. How come you forever turn every thread into a Parker bashing thread?Haters gonna hate. Simple as that.

[diego]

most international fans dont consider timmy, hakeem and nash to be true internationals, mainly because they played college ball. They didnt arrive to the NBA as pros (i agree personally).
Also, most international fans I know dont consider dirk to be the best ever. Hes obviously great, but his lack of accomplishments outside the NBA and one dimensional play dont give him the legendary repuation of someone like sabonis or even manu. a lot of spurs fans love to harp on manu and tony's playoff failures (very few remember timmy's in 10 and 11), but dirk is responsible for some big stinkers of his own.

to me dirk is a really tall SG with legendary shooting and great rebounding, but poor d, playmaking and ballhandling. he creates mismatches for the other team but also for his own, thus the difficulty in building around him. i dont think that a team with him and duncan plus 5-6 minimum players would necessarily dominate, they would at the very least need gaurds capable of getting them the ball and close out tight games.

still, i can see why people say he is closer to duncan than manu/parker are, they never really had that role in terms of minutes and because duncan even on his last legs is still the GOATPF; though IMO 2010-2011 spurs were manu's team and he lead them to similar finishes as nowitzki mavs, just like 2012-2014 are parkers team and he too is leading them to similar finishes, dirk's just been doing it longer. IMO theyre much much closer than most fans rate them, duncan is the one that is on another level.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

imo calling Duncan international is even more retarded considering the virgin islands are a US territory anyway

Not really being that they can compete in Int'l competitions as a separate country, just like Puerto Rico. They are commonwealths but they still technically aren't the United States.

And Hakeem was born in Nigeria. Didn't come to the US until his college days. Didn't get his US citizenship until 1993. You can easily say he was an international player.

[thecandidate]

Drazen Petrovic clearly was on his way to being of the best international players the NBA had ever seen; to bad he died as his career was really taking off ...

[lefty]

Talent/Skills wise, he's probably right.
In term of overall skills, Kukoc was better; could pass, shoot (not as well as Dirk, but he was a clutch mofo), rebound, handle the ball


But he never led a team like Dirk

[Horse]

You shouldn't forget that Hakeem became naturalized in the US, he even played for the national team in the Olympic Games in 1996.

Although most of the dallas fanbase are a bunch of cocksuckers, no one can deny they got screwed royally in '06