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DarrinS
04-17-2014, 02:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP7V0hrt1aw

pgardn
04-17-2014, 02:50 PM
Because they are not obsessed with the Soros family?

DarrinS
04-17-2014, 02:59 PM
Because they are not obsessed with the Soros family?

who?

pgardn
04-17-2014, 03:04 PM
who?

Yes.

Thats what I said about the Koch brothers.

boutons_deux
04-17-2014, 03:18 PM
Nothing Really Compares to the Koch Brothers’ Political Empire
http://billmoyers.com/2014/04/10/nothing-really-compares-to-the-koch-brothers-political-empire/

pgardn
04-17-2014, 03:22 PM
And from Kansas...

http://cjonline.com/blog-post/kevin-mcginty/2014-02-09/koch-brothers-are-amateurs-compared-george-soros?page=1

boutons_deux
04-17-2014, 03:24 PM
And from Kansas...

http://cjonline.com/blog-post/kevin-mcginty/2014-02-09/koch-brothers-are-amateurs-compared-george-soros?page=1

:lol fucking Kansas! :lol

TeyshaBlue
04-17-2014, 03:36 PM
Boutons :lol nothing to say.

RandomGuy
04-17-2014, 03:50 PM
who?

The guy you were bitching about here:



Thanks for that link to one of Soros' pet projects.


Try this one:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jan/16/nancy-pelosi/tax-cuts-rich-deficit/

Bush's tax cuts for high earners "have been the biggest contributor to the budget deficit."

http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif





But since Boutons likes pictures, try this one.

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/wapoobamabudget1.jpg

DarrinS
04-17-2014, 03:52 PM
The guy you were bitching about here:

:lol

busted

scott
04-17-2014, 04:50 PM
Political Calculus:

TPd * TPr = CM

Where:

TPd = Talking points of Democrats related to the Koch Brothers
TPr = Talking points of Republicans related to Obamacare & Benghazi
CM = Critical mass of bullshit where the collective minds of America implode

boutons_deux
04-17-2014, 04:52 PM
"The top 5 percent of earners (those making about $225,000 or more) received 30.5 percent of the tax benefits in 2008, according to their analysis. But conversely, the bottom 95 percent of tax payers got 70 percent. Zoom out from the top 5 percent to the top 20 percent, and their share is 47.8 percent. Critics of the Bush tax cuts can call that disproportionate, but it's still less than half and therefore not "the biggest."

bullshit

what are $Ts, absolutel $ not percentages, of tax cuts for the 5% and then 95%

pgardn
04-17-2014, 06:54 PM
:lol fucking Kansas! :lol

Yes.

You see how both parties have large obsessions with big donors who are convinced they know the American way.
I said BOTH parties Boots.

ChumpDumper
04-17-2014, 08:44 PM
Should I just bump all of Darrin's Krugman threads at once?

Nbadan
04-18-2014, 01:40 AM
Political Calculus:

TPd * TPr = CM

Where:

TPd = Talking points of Democrats related to the Koch Brothers
TPr = Talking points of Republicans related to Obamacare & Benghazi
CM = Critical mass of bullshit where the collective minds of America implode

Obamacare is winning in the polls and Benghazi is a wingnut fantasy....the Kock brothers are dumping 100's of millions of dollars into elections to buy our government..big difference....

DarrinS
04-18-2014, 06:56 AM
Should I just bump all of Darrin's Krugman threads at once?

If there are 134 references, then I'm more obsessed than Harry Reid.

TeyshaBlue
04-18-2014, 08:29 AM
lol dan
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/09/opensecrets-battle---koch-brothers.html

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-18-2014, 09:02 AM
Can someone explain to me how Soros financially benefits from his political objectives? The false equivalency between him and the Kochs is pretty retarded.

DarrinS
04-18-2014, 09:17 AM
Top 10 political donors

http://freebeacon.com/politics/none-of-the-top-10-biggest-political-donors-are-republican/





Here are the top ten biggest political donors:

1. ActBlue

ActBlue is a federally registered political action committee that was launched in 2004. It calls itself “the online clearinghouse for Democratic action.”
The group donated $97,192,340 between 1989 and 2012, according to CRP. Ninety-nine percent of its contributions went to Democrats.

2. American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees

The American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees comprises 3,400 local unions representing 1.6 million members as well as 240,000 retirees.
The organization donated $60,667,379 between 1989 and 2012, with 81 percent going to Democrats.

3. AT&T (on the fence)

AT&T is the most-used phone company in the United States, according to CRP. It covers close to 300 million people.
The company donated $56,449,317 between 1989 and 2012. AT&T was marked as “on the fence” by CRP, having donated 41 percent to Democrats and 57 percent to Republicans.

4. National Education Association

The National Education Association is the nation’s oldest and largest teachers’ union.
It donated $53,594,488 between 1989 and 2012. Sixty-one percent went to Democrats, and just 4 percent went to Republicans.

5. National Association of Realtors (on the fence)

The National Association of Realtors represents 1.2 million members from the nation’s real estate industry. The group has lobbied on many issues such as health care, bankruptcy legislation, and tax rates.
The group donated $51,207,902 between 1989 and 2012, with 44 percent going to Democrats and 47 percent going to Republicans.

6. Goldman Sachs (on the fence)

Goldman Sachs is an investment bank. It received billions of dollars in federal taxpayer money during the 2008 bailout.
Goldman Sachs donated $44,847,951 between 1989 and 2012. Fifty-three percent of its donations went to Democrats, while 44 percent went to Republicans.

7. International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers

The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers is a labor union that represents more than 750,000 electrical workers. It is affiliated with the AFL-CIO.
The union donated $44,478,789 between 1989 and 2012. Ninety-two percent of its donations went to Democrats.

8. United Auto workers

The United Auto Workers represents more than 100,000 men and women.
The union donated $41,667,858 between 1989 and 2012, with 71 percent of its donations going to Democrats. The UAW did not make a single donation to Republicans, according to CRP.

9. Carpenters and Joiners Union

The Carpenters and Joiners Union is another politically active union. It represents 500,000 carpenters and tradesman nationwide.
The union donated $39,260,371 between 1989 and 2012. Seventy-four percent of its donations went to Democrats.

10. Service Employees International Union

The Service Employees International Union has more than 1.5 million members. It is the largest growing member of the AFL-CIO.
The union donated $38,395,690 between 1989 and 2012. Eight-four percent of its donations went to Democrats, while just 2 percent went to Republicans.

pgardn
04-18-2014, 09:58 AM
Can someone explain to me how Soros financially benefits from his political objectives? The false equivalency between him and the Kochs is pretty retarded.

The Koch brothers support candidates against universal health care and then all their free market crap, climate...
I don't see how opposing universal health care is a big winner for them.

The equivalency is in that they give large sums of money because they know what is right for their America. Both Koch and Soros families could be accused of making their fortunes in a sleazy manner as well.

ChumpDumper
04-18-2014, 10:01 AM
If there are 134 references, then I'm more obsessed than Harry Reid.Between your two screen names, there are 130.

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-18-2014, 10:13 AM
The Koch brothers support candidates against universal health care and then all their free market crap, climate...
I don't see how opposing universal health care is a big winner for them.

The equivalency is in that they give large sums of money because they know what is right for their America. Both Koch and Soros families could be accused of making their fortunes in a sleazy manner as well.

:lmao thinking the Koch Brothers actually believe their political objectives are good for America

boutons_deux
04-18-2014, 10:25 AM
know what is right for their America.

:lol

Spurminator
04-20-2014, 05:59 PM
Yeah why would anyone be concerned by the expanding amount of political clout carried by a shrinking amount of people? Stop whining, you whiny whiners!

Winehole23
04-20-2014, 07:43 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/02/18/billionaire-plans-100-million-campaign-for-democrats/

FuzzyLumpkins
04-20-2014, 07:55 PM
They inherited their father's company and are amongst the largest political contributors in the world. The aim of the influence is to entrench their interests. They personify the oil lobby.

I in no way consider myself a democrat but I find their brazen displays of the modern oligarchy to be disturbing.

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-20-2014, 07:57 PM
Yeah why would anyone be concerned by the expanding amount of political clout carried by a shrinking amount of people? Stop whining, you whiny whiners!

:cry you mean libruhl bullies need to leave the Koch Brothers alone :cry

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-20-2014, 08:08 PM
They inherited their father's company and are amongst the largest political contributors in the world. The aim of the influence is to entrench their interests. They personify the oil lobby.

I in no way consider myself a democrat but I find their brazen displays of the modern oligarchy to be disturbing.

The "Shelden Adelson Primary" that took place a few weeks ago was a whole new level of a brazen display of modern oligarchy. A bunch of presidential candidates lining up to eat out of the hand of some senile old zionist who's so fucking old he needs a wheelchair to move around. It looked like something out of a fictional Orwellian society.

Clipper Nation
04-20-2014, 08:10 PM
:lmao Koch brothers
:lmao Neocons
:lmao Turning the Libertarian Party into an ironic grab for public money by nominating "electable" neocons every year instead of actual libertarians
:lmao So-called "libertarians" who leech off tens of millions in taxpayer subsidies every year

boutons_deux
04-20-2014, 08:12 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/02/18/billionaire-plans-100-million-campaign-for-democrats/

We'll see if Steyer's "speech" is out front, or will it be Kock-style dark money.

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-20-2014, 08:18 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/02/18/billionaire-plans-100-million-campaign-for-democrats/

Good. It's time rich Democrats got some skin in the game.

TheSanityAnnex
04-20-2014, 09:22 PM
:lmao Koch brothers
:lmao Neocons
:lmao Turning the Libertarian Party into an ironic grab for public money by nominating "electable" neocons every year instead of actual libertarians
:lmao So-called "libertarians" who leech off tens of millions in taxpayer subsidies every year

Are all of the emoticons really necessary in every single one of your posts? I skip over your stuff on a daily basis because of that bullshit, as do many others. You may actually have good takes (besides your refusal to acknowledge ginger's flopping) but I simply don't read your posts.


Nothing you just said is remotely laugh my fucking ass off. Keep your emoticons to the club please.

TheSanityAnnex
04-20-2014, 09:24 PM
Good. It's time rich Democrats got some skin in the game.

Did you forget the blue font on this one?

FuzzyLumpkins
04-20-2014, 09:43 PM
Are all of the emoticons really necessary in every single one of your posts? I skip over your stuff on a daily basis because of that bullshit, as do many others. You may actually have good takes (besides your refusal to acknowledge ginger's flopping) but I simply don't read your posts.


Nothing you just said is remotely laugh my fucking ass off. Keep your emoticons to the club please.

Most people realize that other people have emotions that are not their own at about age 4. Your feelings mean jack shit as to what anyone else should think.

Winehole23
04-20-2014, 10:16 PM
Good. It's time rich Democrats got some skin in the game.goes to what Spurminator said about fewer people having more clout. We're all equally free to buy influence and access, right?

Winehole23
04-21-2014, 09:29 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/the-stylishness-of-democrats-courting-young-multi-billionaires/360964/

TheSanityAnnex
04-21-2014, 11:59 AM
Your feelings mean jack shit as to what anyone else should think.Thanks for sharing your feelings, they mean jack shit as well.

101A
04-21-2014, 12:22 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/the-stylishness-of-democrats-courting-young-multi-billionaires/360964/


No. No.

They just want to help. Their hosts are just showing them how.

Winehole23
04-21-2014, 01:36 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/sean-parker-105852.html

pgardn
04-22-2014, 09:13 AM
:lmao thinking the Koch Brothers actually believe their political objectives are good for America

So Soros has a vision and the Koch brothers is totally self interest. I don't think so. I think they see America as needing their capitalistic guidance for their benefit, and for the working class that relies on them.

So you think they see themselves as parasites that get rich as they can now before the host (US) crumbles around them? This is a short term play? It's not good for the parasite to kill the host...

boutons_deux
04-22-2014, 09:25 AM
What exactly are the govt policies that Soros is funding vs the anti-Human-American/anti-environment funding of the Kock Bros?

Winehole23
04-22-2014, 09:40 AM
we'll see. after McCutcheon there doesn't seem to be much need to keep the money in the dark.

boutons_deux
04-22-2014, 09:56 AM
"there doesn't seem to be much need to keep the money in the dark."

paranoia reigns on the extreme right. Why have the Kock Bros and the VRWC been in the dark for decades until they finally got outed a couple years ago?

One big justification for dark money that the courts seem to accept is that Corporate-Americans' "speech" must remain anonymous, secret to avoid "persecution" by Human-Americans.

DarrinS
04-22-2014, 10:11 AM
lol

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/we-denounce-the-koch.fb40?source=s.fb&r_by=1472247

Winehole23
04-23-2014, 10:57 AM
One big justification for dark money that the courts seem to accept is that Corporate-Americans' "speech" must remain anonymous, secret to avoid "persecution" by Human-Americans. can you give an example of what you're talking about?

boutons_deux
04-23-2014, 01:21 PM
can't find it now, but there was a case in OR or WA where the judge said some contributor could remain anonymous because the "fear of retribution, persecution" was real.

what the anonymous dark money donors want to avoid is what happened to Rush. His advertisers were known and withdrew when he said something scandalous.

The corps want their dark money to speak, but they don't want their customers' money to speak back.

fuck 'em all, because they're fucking all of us

RandomGuy
04-23-2014, 04:44 PM
Political Calculus:

TPd * TPr = CM

Where:

TPd = Talking points of Democrats related to the Koch Brothers
TPr = Talking points of Republicans related to Obamacare & Benghazi
CM = Critical mass of bullshit where the collective minds of America implode

Yeah. I am no fan of the Koch brothers, but the bloviating is annoying even dyed in the wool Democrats like myself.

I will say though, that their anti-climate change offings, have contributed to the right-wing war on science in this country, and that is starting to worry me.

Spurminator
04-23-2014, 05:24 PM
lol

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/we-denounce-the-koch.fb40?source=s.fb&r_by=1472247


Meh

https://www.google.com/search?q=petition+bengazi&oq=petition+bengazi&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3919j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

Rick Santorum
04-23-2014, 07:17 PM
can you give an example of what you're talking about?

The Citizens United Ruling....

Were you expecting your question to be a tough one?

boutons_deux
04-23-2014, 08:35 PM
...

Winehole23
04-24-2014, 02:45 AM
The Citizens United Ruling....

Were you expecting your question to be a tough one?I didn't expect boutons to answer substantively. As for you, Citizens United didn't cover anonymity, in fact, expressly left that open... but perhaps you can show otherwise . . .

Winehole23
04-24-2014, 02:50 AM
a searchable ST thread elucidates this, if you care to search it.

TeyshaBlue
04-24-2014, 03:44 AM
Sock Puppets don't use search.

Rick Santorum
04-24-2014, 05:14 AM
I didn't expect boutons to answer substantively. As for you, Citizens United didn't cover anonymity, in fact, expressly left that open... but perhaps you can show otherwise . . .

So do corporations have to disclose where their campaign donations are going?

:lmao boutons being so under you're skin that you're defending the bullshit citizens united ruling

Nbadan
04-25-2014, 12:16 PM
Yeah. I am no fan of the Koch brothers, but the bloviating is annoying even dyed in the wool Democrats like myself.

I will say though, that their anti-climate change offings, have contributed to the right-wing war on science in this country, and that is starting to worry me.

It's not just about hating on the Koch brothers, RG....what Citizen's United and other judicial and legislative rulings have done is given unfair speech to corporations usurping, many believe, the voice and the will of the people, and undermining our Republic....we've already shown that the US is in fact now an Oligarchy..the Koch brothers spend 100's of millions of dollars to influence political discourse and effect the outcome of local, state, and federal elections...they deserve to be exposed, forget the M$M business as usual model of these guys leading things in anonymity...if your gonna spend tons of money to influence elections in the US your life, private and otherwise, should become open to scrutiny...

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-26-2014, 07:47 AM
What exactly are the govt policies that Soros is funding vs the anti-Human-American/anti-environment funding of the Kock Bros?

Not to mention, Soros is extremely transparent with where his campaign finance goes because he has nothing to hide. The Kochs disguise their political contributions via intermediaries as much as possible and try to claim they had nothing to do with the creation of the tea party.

TeyshaBlue
04-26-2014, 09:32 AM
Not to mention, Soros is extremely transparent with where his campaign finance goes because he has nothing to hide. The Kochs disguise their political contributions via intermediaries as much as possible and try to claim they had nothing to do with the creation of the tea party.

:lol. Did you even sniff my link on page one?

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-26-2014, 03:43 PM
:lol. Did you even sniff my link on page one?

I'll pull a Teysha and respond with an ad-hominem without reading it:

:lol "open secrets"
:lol simpleton

boutons_deux
04-26-2014, 04:09 PM
:lol. Did you even sniff my link on page one?

Soros spends dark money, denies his links?

Steyer seems to be equally open

DUNCANownsKOBE
04-26-2014, 04:53 PM
Soros spends dark money, denies his links?

Steyer seems to be equally open

Yup. Steyer was on Bill Maher last night publicly announcing where his money was going.

TeyshaBlue
04-26-2014, 09:10 PM
I'll pull a Teysha and respond with an ad-hominem without reading it:

:lol "open secrets"
:lol simpleton

:cry It doesn't say what you want it to. :cry

TeyshaBlue
04-26-2014, 09:12 PM
Soros spends dark money, denies his links?

Steyer seems to be equally open

Ummmm....dark money and links are mutually exclusive by definition.

TeyshaBlue
04-26-2014, 09:14 PM
Opensecrets should be on the progressive rss feed, Dok. I'll let you fumble around until you can figure out why. :lol

boutons_deux
04-30-2014, 02:02 PM
Dark Money Group Sues IRS Over Targeting, Disclosure

A conservative nonprofit sued (http://www.propublica.org/documents/item/1149898-freedom-path-complaint.html) the Internal Revenue Service Monday because the agency targeted it for extra scrutiny and disclosed the group's application for tax-exempt status to ProPublica.
The group, Freedom Path, was launched by backers of Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch and ran ads supporting Hatch and other Republicans in 2012.

Freedom Path is one of dozens of social welfare nonprofits, also known as "dark money" groups, that have dumped hundreds of millions of dollars from anonymous sources into direct election ads and indirect ads that criticize or praise certain candidates since the Supreme Court's Citizen United ruling in 2010.

The groups are allowed to spend money on election activity, as long as they promise that social welfare, and not politics, is their primary purpose. The nonprofits don't have to report their donors, raising concerns about possible corruption.

Freedom Path's lawsuit, filed in federal court in Dallas and sparked in part by IRS revelations last year that it targeted conservative nonprofit applications for a harder look, claims that the group suffered damages from responding to the IRS requests for more information on its application to be recognized as a tax-exempt social welfare nonprofit.

Freedom Path, formed in 2011, was one of many conservative groups with applications flagged by the IRS, using key words like "Tea Party" or "Patriot" or phrases like "limited government." Since the IRS' May 2013 admission that it targeted the groups, several Tea Party groups have also filed lawsuits that some experts have given little chance of prevailing (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/tea-partiers-dont-have-case-against-irs).

In its lawsuit, filed against the IRS and agency officials, Freedom Path also said it was damaged by the IRS releasing its pending application to ProPublica.

http://www.propublica.org/article/dark-money-group-sues-irs-over-targeting-disclosure?utm_source=et&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dailynewsletter

Nbadan
05-01-2014, 01:18 AM
'Money is Not Speech': Retired Justice Stevens Slams Dark Money Rulings
Published on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 by Common Dreams

- Lauren McCauley, staff writer


"Money is not speech."

That was the argument presented by former Supreme Court Justice John Stevens as he attacked the high court's recent ruling in McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission, which crippled campaign finance limits, during his testimony before the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration on Wednesday.

"While money is used to finance speech, money is not speech. Speech is only one of the activities that are financed by campaign contributions and expenditures. Those financial activities should not receive precisely the same constitutional protections as speech itself," Stevens said. "After all, campaign funds were used to finance the Watergate burglary, actions that clearly were not protected by the First Amendment."

The retired justice made a rare appearance before Congress to champion a proposed constitutional amendment, put forth by Senator Tom Udall (D-N.M.), that would grant Congress the authority to regulate campaign finance, limiting the ability of super PACs to impact elections.

During the hearing, Senator Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) announced that the Senate would vote on the amendment later this year. The law would reportedly roll back the McCutcheon ruling, as well as other landmark campaign finance decisions recently issued by the Supreme Court, including Citizens United and Buckley v. Valeo—which have all contributed to the explosion of donations by undisclosed, deep-pocketed groups, or 'dark money.'

More:
https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/04/30-7

RandomGuy
05-01-2014, 12:45 PM
.if your gonna spend tons of money to influence elections in the US your life, private and otherwise, should become open to scrutiny...

I agree 100%

boutons_deux
05-01-2014, 12:48 PM
I agree 100%

why the voyeurism? private lives are private. I don't GAF what the Kock Bros, or any public figure, does at home, in the bedroom, in the bathtub.

TSA
05-01-2014, 02:42 PM
why the voyeurism? private lives are private. I don't GAF what the Kock Bros, or any public figure, does at home, in the bedroom, in the bathtub.

Except for when it's Donald Sterling correct?

angrydude
05-01-2014, 02:48 PM
The Koch brothers are assholes who go around funding institutions to push their own private form of fascism, but they're hardly alone. Soros does it from the left. Most all rich people do it too but a bit more secretly through their non-profit foundations, think tanks, etc. The Kochs and Soros are just more overtly political about it.

boutons_deux
05-01-2014, 03:01 PM
Except for when it's Donald Sterling correct?

Sterling's racism (personal stance) directly affects The Negroes on his payroll. And his racism about his real estate empire customers is well known, ie, public, going back decades.

Fucking a golddigger while he's married is none of anybody's business but his.

TSA
05-01-2014, 05:01 PM
Sterling's racism (personal stance) directly affects The Negroes on his payroll.His racism was shared in the privacy of his own home, you can't have it both ways. The only person's payroll affected by skin color on the Clippers was JJ Reddick, whom Sterling thought he was overpaying for because of the color of his skin. It's hilarious to see you rail against the NSA yet cheer when Sterling's private conversation is recorded and released.

boutons_deux
05-01-2014, 08:50 PM
The Koch brothers are assholes who go around funding institutions to push their own private form of fascism, but they're hardly alone. Soros does it from the left. Most all rich people do it too but a bit more secretly through their non-profit foundations, think tanks, etc. The Kochs and Soros are just more overtly political about it.

specifically, Soros pushes what authoritarian or fascist policies?

RandomGuy
05-05-2014, 01:09 PM
why the voyeurism? private lives are private. I don't GAF what the Kock Bros, or any public figure, does at home, in the bedroom, in the bathtub.

Where is the border between a public life and a private life?

If you want to spend tens of millions of dollars to influence others' public/private lives, I think that crosses a line into "shit that an informed person should know about" territory.

boutons_deux
05-05-2014, 01:50 PM
Where is the border between a public life and a private life?

If you want to spend tens of millions of dollars to influence others' public/private lives, I think that crosses a line into "shit that an informed person should know about" territory.

Difficult to define. But applying one's morality and ethics to another should not be grounds for voting against a politician whose govt policies you agree with (I love his/her policies, but he/she gay, Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, atheist, same sex partner, sexually (but not forcibly) multi-partner, etc.

Private lives should remain private.

Give examples of what you mean by "influence others' public/private lives"

RandomGuy
05-05-2014, 05:23 PM
Difficult to define. But applying one's morality and ethics to another should not be grounds for voting against a politician whose govt policies you agree with (I love his/her policies, but he/she gay, Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, atheist, same sex partner, sexually (but not forcibly) multi-partner, etc.

Private lives should remain private.

Give examples of what you mean by "influence others' public/private lives"

To be clear:

We are talking about when groups have to disclose lists of donors right?

boutons_deux
05-08-2014, 08:31 AM
Kock Bros starving the beast, literally

Koch Group Tries To Sink Ohio Zoo’s Tax Proposal: ‘There Is No Issue We Won’t Get Involved In’ (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/05/06/3434671/koch-afp-zoo/)



http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/shutterstock_77205514-638x425.jpg

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/05/06/3434671/koch-afp-zoo/

boutons_deux
05-08-2014, 08:39 AM
I didn't expect boutons to answer substantively. As for you, Citizens United didn't cover anonymity, in fact, expressly left that open... but perhaps you can show otherwise . . .

left open because that insulting dumbfuck Kennedy wrote this astonishingly false bullshit:

“We now conclude that independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption.”

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DarrinS
05-08-2014, 10:34 AM
lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4amm0i6j-_A

boutons_deux
05-08-2014, 10:53 AM
lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4amm0i6j-_A

not in it to make money, but in it to keep their $10Bs, and keep piling them up.

eg: no tax increase for zoo animals means NO TAX INCREASES ANYWHERE ANYTIME FOR ANYTHING (which of course means never any tax increases for Kock Bros)

Th'Pusher
05-08-2014, 11:50 AM
lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4amm0i6j-_A
Why are you so effected by Harry Ried's frequent reference to the Koch brothers?