Dolan already clashing with Phil

[Clipper Nation]

Phil Jackson's formidable task of rebuilding the Knicks and establishing a professional, winning culture at Madison Square Garden has already hit a familiar roadblock: James Dolan.


Just one month into his role as Knicks president, Jackson has already clashed with Dolan, the chairman of Madison Square Garden, over personnel decisions, the Daily News has learned. According to a team source, Jackson is looking to remove several staff members, which is commonplace when a new administration takes over, but Dolan opposes removing certain employees.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1765645

:lmao Knicks

[Kool Bob Love]

Lakers-east. Terrible owners. Terrible GMs. Terrible contracts. Terrible franchises.

[scanry]

CN, surely you can't take Frank Isola seriously.

[LkrFan]

Lakers-east. Terrible owners. Terrible GMs. Terrible contracts. Terrible franchises.
16>>>>>>>>>>> ah, nvm. Carry on son. :tu

[Mel_13]

16>>>>>>>>>>> ah, nvm. Carry on son. :tu

The biggest difference between the Lakers and the Knicks over much of the last three decades was Jerry Buss. The Knicks are proof that having a rich team in a lucrative market is no guarantee of success, and the past success of the Lakers under Jerry Buss is no guarantee of future success under his moronic son.

[LkrFan]

The biggest difference between the Lakers and the Knicks over much of the last three decades was Jerry Buss. The Knicks are proof that having a rich team in a lucrative market is no guarantee of success, and the past success of the Lakers under Jerry Buss is no guarantee of future success under his moronic son.
Disagree. Jerry West was the biggest reason. Jerry Buss just signed the checks.

PS - Jerry Buss wasn't even in the top 5 in terms of net worth. Several other owners are richer.

[Clipper Nation]

CN, surely you can't take Frank Isola seriously.
Dude drops truthbombs about them Knicks on the regular :lol

[Clipper Nation]

16>>>>>>>>>>> ah, nvm. Carry on son. :tu
Fredo = Dolan

[LkrFan]

Fredo = Dolan
Irrelevant. Like his pops, he just signs the checks. So who in Knicks' org = MK? That's the question you need to ask yourself.

[Mel_13]

Disagree. Jerry West was the biggest reason. Jerry Buss just signed the checks.

I won't quibble about whether Buss or West was more important, although saying that Buss just signed the checks is a curiously myopic point of view. Together, they formed an historically great owner/GM combination.

Now, the Lakers have neither one. Those that believe in some sort of inevitably of Laker greatness ignore the history of the Laker franchise in LA and the histories of other NBA franchises in major markets.

[LkrFan]

I won't quibble about whether Buss or West was more important, although saying that Buss just signed the checks is a curiously myopic point of view. Together, they formed an historically great owner/GM combination.

Now, the Lakers have neither one. Those that believe in some sort of inevitably of Laker greatness ignore the history of the Laker franchise in LA and the histories of other NBA franchises in major markets.You're partially right re: bolded. But we're not the Cowboys whereas we have an owner masquerading as a GM. We have a GM who was the understudy of the best GM in NBA history. We've rang how many times since Logo left? How many stacked teams (on paper at least) has MK put together? The proof is in the pudding son.

[Clipper Nation]

Irrelevant. Like his pops, he just signs the checks. So who in Knicks' org = MK? That's the question you need to ask yourself.
If you don't see the dysfunction that Fredo has brought to the Lakers since taking over, I can't help you, Asdrubal :lol

As a Clipperfan, I know all about bad owners.... owners don't just sign the checks, they set the tone for the whole organization.... it took Sterling going senile and his competent son-in-law starting to take more control for the franchise to finally not be a joke....

[LkrFan]

If you don't see the dysfunction that Fredo has brought to the Lakers since taking over, I can't help you, Asdrubal :lol:lol

Like having LDS owners like Cuban cock block legal NBA trades for basketball reasons?

[Mel_13]

You're partially right re: bolded. But we're not the Cowboys whereas we have an owner masquerading as a GM. We have a GM who was the understudy of the best GM in NBA history. We've rang how many times since Logo left? How many stacked teams (on paper at least) has MK put together? The proof is in the pudding son.

Chris Wallace was also West's understudy. There's a reason you're offered a refund when the understudy replaces the star of the show.

The threepeat team was West's creation. MK gets no credit for that. They've won two titles in the 12 years since then. Two titles that are directly related to a trade made between two of West's former assistants.

Good luck going forward with MK and Buss, Jr.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol

Like having LDS owners like Cuban cock block legal NBA trades for basketball reasons?
No, like firing the coach after five games, giving personnel power to a bartender named Chazz, firing nearly all the scouts who had worked for the Lakers for decades during the lockout, feuding with his bimbo sister for control, handing 48.5 to a broken-down rapist, etc. :lol

[LkrFan]

Chris Wallace was also West's understudy. There's a reason you're offered a refund when the understudy replaces the star of the show.

The threepeat team was West's creation. MK gets no credit for that. They've won two titles in the 12 years since then. Two titles that are directly related to a trade made between two of West's former assistants.

Good luck going forward with MK and Buss, Jr.
Before the signatures on the new CBA dried, MK said fuck you with the CP3 trade. Before that, MK pissed off Coach Pop with the Pau trade. Trading Bynum for Howard was even a good deal - even though he walked. Simply put, MK knows what he is doing. I trust his track record.

Oh, and MK was an understudy of Logo since Showtime. That's a looooong ass time learning from the best. Again, he knows what he is doing. Fredo will pay for whoever MK trades forPERIOD.

[Mel_13]

Before the signatures on the new CBA dried, MK said fuck you with the CP3 trade. Before that, MK pissed off Coach Pop with the Pau trade. Trading Bynum for Howard was even a good deal - even though he walked. Simply put, MK knows what he is doing. I trust his track record.

Oh, and MK was an understudy of Logo since Showtime. That's a looooong ass time learning from the best. Again, he knows what he is doing. Fredo will pay for whoever MK trades forPERIOD.


:lmao

Good luck with MK and Fredo going forward.

[LkrFan]

No, like firing the coach after five games, giving personnel power to a bartender named Chazz, firing nearly all the scouts who had worked for the Lakers for decades during the lockout, feuding with his bimbo sister for control, handing 48.5 to a broken-down rapist, etc. :lol
You like playing checkers too, I see. Did you laugh at Kwame Brown's contract too? The timing of it didn't make you a tad bit suspicious? Then it turns out MK had been watching MVPau's situation in Memphis for years.

And to think - your Spurs helped us get him by kicking his ass all those years. He began to get frustrated as the playoff losses mounted. Det led to him being disgruntled. The rest? History.

PS - when the Spurs play OKC: :flag: Why? Timing. Kobe's contract ends the same time KD can become a FA. :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

who needs a winning team if idiots continue to buy tickets to the games? knicks mentality

[Mel_13]

:lmao

What sort of chess move was trading 4 draft picks for Nash?

[Clipper Nation]

You like playing checkers too, I see. Did you laugh at Kwame Brown's contract too? The timing of it didn't make you a tad bit suspicious? Then it turns out MK had been watching MVPau's situation in Memphis for years.
Carlos, finally admitting that MVPau - not Kirby - was the key to the B2B :lol

[LkrFan]

:lmao

What sort of chess move was trading 4 draft picks for Nash?Unless they have the #1 overall pick, does the Lakers historically build thru the draft? Of their last 3 lottery picks (Eddie Jones, Kobe and Bynum), only Kobe wasn't traded away (for good reason).

Spurs build with draft picks. Lakers don't.

[LkrFan]

Carlos, finally admitting that MVPau - not Kirby - was the key to the B2B :lol
:lol-16

[Clipper Nation]

:lol-16
Who was shinin' shoes between Daddy and MVPau again? Can't quite remember the scrub's name, but I do remember he rapedPERIOD....

[LkrFan]

Who was shinin' shoes between Daddy and MVPau again? Can't quite remember the scrub's name, but I do remember he rapedPERIOD....
How many years has Cliff...nah - too easy. Carry on son. :tu

[Mel_13]

Unless they have the #1 overall pick, does the Lakers historically build thru the draft? Of their last 3 lottery picks (Eddie Jones, Kobe and Bynum), only Kobe wasn't traded away (for good reason).

Spurs build with draft picks. Lakers don't.

Even for a troll job, that is remarkably stupid. Draft picks have value, whether a team builds through the draft or not.

A true chess master would have realized a much greater return for 4 draft picks than the corpse of Steve Nash.

Of course, a true chess master would have gotten much more for Bynum+other assets than a one year rental of Dwight Howard.

[LkrFan]

Even for a troll job, that is remarkably stupid. Draft picks have value, whether a team builds through the draft or not.

A true chess master would have realized a much greater return for 4 draft picks than the corpse of Steve Nash.

Of course, a true chess master would have gotten much more for Bynum+other assets than a one year rental of Dwight Howard.

Can't predict that Nash would break his leg before even the 5th game of his inaugural season (just like we couldn't predict Karl ironman Malone going down years before that). On paper, we were supposed to be major contenders. Meaning we would hardly dependent on those draft picks
Couldn't predict Howard would leave $30M on the table. In retrospect, I'm glad he walked.
Draft picks do have value. I'm just saying it's not the Laker way to depend on them - unless they draft franchise level talent.
And Howard was the best deal out there. I don't fault MK for being aggressive and trading for him. As it turns out, Bynum's knee has went to shit again. With Mt Hibbert sucking, Indy sure could use him. Had he still been in LA drawing a check while hobbled and not playing I would have been pissed.

[Clipper Nation]

Can't predict that Nash would break his leg before even the 5th game of his inaugural season (just like we could predict Karl ironman Malone going down years before that). On paper, we were supposed to be major contenders. Meaning we would hardly dependent on those draft picks
Couldn't predict Howard would leave $30M on the table. In retrospect, I'm glad he walked.
Draft picks do have value. I'm just saying it's not the Laker way to depend on them - unless they draft franchise level talent.
And Howard was the best deal out there. I don't fault MK for being aggressive and trading for him. As it turns out, Bynum's knee has went to shit again. With Mt Hibbert sucking, Indy sure could use him. Had he still been in LA drawing a check while hobbled and not playing I would have been pissed.


1. His age and his history of severe back problems even with the Suns' training staff working miracles would have given any competent franchise pause before trading any picks at all for him
2. Easily predictable based on Kirby's track record of running off big men that have carried him
3. The "Laker way" is obsolete in the new CBA and has brought the Lakers into the abyss of tanking
4. There was no need to trade for Coward at all, you ended up trading an injured knee for an injured back and the season went about as expected (ignoring the Media hype)

You're going to have to try harder than that, Diego :lol

[Katherine Robinson]

Jackson won't be around for long, Dolan doesn't have a daughter Jackson could pork on the side unlike the late Dr. Buss.

[Sybok]

:lmao

What sort of chess move was trading 4 draft picks for Nash?

en passant.... of their title chances

[HemisfairArena]

Unless they have the #1 overall pick, does the Lakers historically build thru the draft? Of their last 3 lottery picks (Eddie Jones, Kobe and Bynum), only Kobe wasn't traded away (for good reason).

Spurs build with draft picks. Lakers don't.

True. Lakers like to poach other teams players. But here is the funny thing,,,,Lakers last big free agent signing who they took from another team was Shaq. That was 18 years ago but yet Laker fans would have you believe everyone wants to play there,,,, Melo, Love, and Durant are on the way. Its comical to say the least. There is not a more delusional fan base on this planet. Don't be surprised if the best the Lakers can get are guys like Stephenson and Monroe and a long drought ensues before the next title run.

[Sybok]

Lakers fans have a reason to be hopeful. History has shown that the organization will go above and beyond to get a winning team, not just a competitive one. The Lakers are rarely competitive, they are more often contenders than just competitive. Contrast that with the Warriors or the Blazers. They rely on draft picks from a piss poor season or trades/FA signings of 3rd tier "stars" because difference makers don't want to play there. Historically then their fans have no real reason to suspect a title is in the cards in the next few years. The Lakers' methods are not employable by most franchises because most franchises don't have the earning potential to show return on investment. In fact most franchises wouldn't be as profitable even if they won consecutive titles... as the Lakers are when they miss the playoffs. It benefits the entire league if the large market teams do well.

[Mel_13]

Did you laugh at Kwame Brown's contract too? The timing of it didn't make you a tad bit suspicious? Then it turns out MK had been watching MVPau's situation in Memphis for years.

So MK had the foresight to trade a future all-star for Kwame Brown in 2005 in order to use his expiring contract for Gasol in 2008?

Yet.....



Can't predict that Nash would break his leg before even the 5th game of his inaugural season (just like we couldn't predict Karl ironman Malone going down years before that). On paper, we were supposed to be major contenders. Meaning we would hardly dependent on those draft picks
Couldn't predict Howard would leave $30M on the table.


Somehow, despite his otherworldly foresight, he didn't foresee health problems with a 38 year old player with a history of, well, health problems.

Nor could he foresee contract issues with a player whose, well, contract issues had been front page news for nearly two years before the trade.

Betting on MK's foresight would seem to be a problematic proposition.

[Dex]

Good. Dolan was obviously running the team into the ground, so PJ needs to drastically change up the culture there. I wouldn't expect Dolan to be completely behind that.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Peter Vecsey, Sam Smith, Broussard and Frank Isola are some of the worst Sports Writer in the modern sport era.

Dolan and Phil will clash eventually. I'll give that marriage 2 years before it completely goes down drain. Jackson is not going to fix that losing culture as long as Melo is the teams cornerstone.

[LkrFan]

1. His age and his history of severe back problems even with the Suns' training staff working miracles would have given any competent franchise pause before trading any picks at all for him
2. Easily predictable based on Kirby's track record of running off big men that have carried him
3. The "Laker way" is obsolete in the new CBA and has brought the Lakers into the abyss of tanking
4. There was no need to trade for Coward at all, you ended up trading an injured knee for an injured back and the season went about as expected (ignoring the Media hype)

You're going to have to try harder than that, Diego :lol
:lol



No further arguments here in terms of the picks. They went in with that deal with hopes of cutting the nets down. It just blew my mind of all of his injuries, he broke his leg. WTH
I work every damn day with people I don't like. Surely that asshole could have done it playing a game for millions. But again, in retrospect, he's not the 2009 D12 no more, so I'm good with him walking.
The CBA ink wasn't even dried yet and MK still made a fair deal for CP3. So the "Laker Way" is not obsolete. Your starting PG was ours, until LDS intervention kicked in.
There was a need to trade Bynum. His knee is glass and his agent is a prick. Remember, Ariza and him share the same agent. Sure we rang with MWP, but we rang with Ariza too and he is still balling (he's helping the Wizards sweep the Bulls as I type this).


The Lakers aren't in bad a shape as you guys hope. Them Clipps got a golden opportunity in front of them right now. Let's see if they seize it instead of you worrying about my strategically lottery-bound Lakers. :toast

[LkrFan]

Lakers fans have a reason to be hopeful. History has shown that the organization will go above and beyond to get a winning team, not just a competitive one. The Lakers are rarely competitive, they are more often contenders than just competitive. Contrast that with the Warriors or the Blazers. They rely on draft picks from a piss poor season or trades/FA signings of 3rd tier "stars" because difference makers don't want to play there. Historically then their fans have no real reason to suspect a title is in the cards in the next few years. The Lakers' methods are not employable by most franchises because most franchises don't have the earning potential to show return on investment. In fact most franchises wouldn't be as profitable even if they won consecutive titles... as the Lakers are when they miss the playoffs. It benefits the entire league if the large market teams do well.
QFT. Props son. :tu

[HemisfairArena]

Lakers fans have a reason to be hopeful. History has shown that the organization will go above and beyond to get a winning team, not just a competitive one. The Lakers are rarely competitive, they are more often contenders than just competitive. Contrast that with the Warriors or the Blazers. They rely on draft picks from a piss poor season or trades/FA signings of 3rd tier "stars" because difference makers don't want to play there. Historically then their fans have no real reason to suspect a title is in the cards in the next few years. The Lakers' methods are not employable by most franchises because most franchises don't have the earning potential to show return on investment. In fact most franchises wouldn't be as profitable even if they won consecutive titles... as the Lakers are when they miss the playoffs. It benefits the entire league if the large market teams do well.

Knicks have huge bank and never been afraid to spend it and a bigger market then L.A.,,,,why no recent titles? Piss poor management. Laker fan will be able to relate for the next few decades.

[LkrFan]

True. Lakers like to poach other teams players. But here is the funny thing,,,,Lakers last big free agent signing who they took from another team was Shaq. That was 18 years ago but yet Laker fans would have you believe everyone wants to play there,,,, Melo, Love, and Durant are on the way. Its comical to say the least. There is not a more delusional fan base on this planet. Don't be surprised if the best the Lakers can get are guys like Stephenson and Monroe and a long drought ensues before the next title run.
Every player with a TV set grew up watching Showtime. Damn near every player has an offseason home somewhere near Orange County, CA. You know what they say: location location location. LA is Hollywood. You know, where are the stars live, make movies, etc. The Lakers have the highest overall winning percentage in NBA history - and the 2nd most titles - so there is history there like no other team (even Boston, who before 2008 last won a rang 22 years before). LA has the 2nd biggest market in the country, but I would argue that we have the "biggest stage" in the NBA. All players know this shit. So you bet your pink ass that players want to don the P&G.

[LkrFan]

Knicks have huge bank and never been afraid to spend it and a bigger market then L.A.,,,,why no recent titles? Piss poor management. Laker fan will be able to relate for the next few decades.
MK was part of the FO that brought in Shaq and Kobe. Why do I say that? He's the cap guru. He's the numbers guy - the Logo admitted as much. So I'd argue that he is just as responsible as the Logo with putting together all of those athletic Laker teams culminating in Shaq/Kobe 3peat and Kobe/Pau repeat championship teams. And guess what? MK is still here. :)

[HemisfairArena]

Every player with a TV set grew up watching Showtime. Damn near every player has an offseason home somewhere near Orange County, CA. You know what they say: location location location. LA is Hollywood. You know, where are the stars live, make movies, etc. The Lakers have the highest overall winning percentage in NBA history - and the 2nd most titles - so there is history there like no other team (even Boston, who before 2008 last won a rang 22 years before). LA has the 2nd biggest market in the country, but I would argue that we have the "biggest stage" in the NBA. All players know this shit. So you bet your pink ass that players want to don the P&G.

Uh-huh,,,maybe more huge moves like Karl Malone, Gary Payton, and Metta World Peace past their prime signings.

[HemisfairArena]

MK was part of the FO that brought in Shaq and Kobe. Why do I say that? He's the cap guru. He's the numbers guy - the Logo admitted as much. So I'd argue that he is just as responsible as the Logo with putting together all of those athletic Laker teams culminating in Shaq/Kobe 3peat and Kobe/Pau repeat championship teams. And guess what? MK is still here. :)

MK also responsible for giving up 4 draft picks and 9mil/yr for 38 year old Steve Nash.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol



No further arguments here in terms of the picks. They went in with that deal with hopes of cutting the nets down. It just blew my mind of all of his injuries, he broke his leg. WTH
I work every damn day with people I don't like. Surely that asshole could have done it playing a game for millions. But again, in retrospect, he's not the 2009 D12 no more, so I'm good with him walking.
The CBA ink wasn't even dried yet and MK still made a fair deal for CP3. So the "Laker Way" is not obsolete. Your starting PG was ours, until LDS intervention kicked in.
There was a need to trade Bynum. His knee is glass and his agent is a prick. Remember, Ariza and him share the same agent. Sure we rang with MWP, but we rang with Ariza too and he is still balling (he's helping the Wizards sweep the Bulls as I type this).



2. Yeah, that asshole could have done it - instead, he ran Dwight offPERIOD :lol
3. That deal was shit and you know it - unfortunately for your Lakers, Stern is a lot smarter than some of the GM's in this league, so no deal :lol
4. Kirby is a prick and the Lakers keep him around, even giving him 48.5 :downspin:

[LkrFan]

2. Yeah, that asshole could have done it - instead, he ran Dwight offPERIOD :lol
3. That deal was shit and you know it - unfortunately for your Lakers, Stern is a lot smarter than some of the GM's in this league, so no deal :lol
4. Kirby is a prick and the Lakers keep him around, even giving him 48.5 :downspin:
Aww fuck it - I give up. :lol

[Buddy Mignon]

True. Lakers like to poach other teams players. But here is the funny thing,,,,Lakers last big free agent signing who they took from another team was Shaq. That was 18 years ago but yet Laker fans would have you believe everyone wants to play there,,,, Melo, Love, and Durant are on the way. Its comical to say the least. There is not a more delusional fan base on this planet. Don't be surprised if the best the Lakers can get are guys like Stephenson and Monroe and a long drought ensues before the next title run.

Since Shaq we haven't needed a big name FA. Although, we did land Rice, Malone, and Payton

[HemisfairArena]

Since Shaq we haven't needed a big name FA. Although, we did land Rice, Malone, and Payton

Rice, Malone, and Payton,,,,,,,,

[Thebesteva]

Lakers-east. Terrible owners. Terrible GMs. Terrible contracts. Terrible franchises.

One franchise has won 5 of 7 and been contenders from 2000-2011, and is experiencing a huge transitional period with the loss of the owner. The other is a franchise that has gone winless for decades and has been piss poor year after year. How can you confuse the two?

[UZER]

Here's a theory....

The Thunder lose, Scott brooks gets fired.

Phil knows he screwed up taking the Ny gig...uses "clashing" with Dolan to escape with his usual media twisting "he wouldn't let me do things to help the team win." Steps down :cry poor Phil just wanted to help.

Takes over the Thunder, another prime team on the verge of championships.