SAR not going to NJ

[picnroll]

link (http://aol.nba.com/nets/news/shareef_rescind.html)

Nets Rescind Trade for Shareef Abdur-Rahim


Abdur-Rahim
East Rutherford, NJ (August 9, 2005)- The New Jersey Nets have rescinded their trade with the Portland Trail Blazers for forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Nets President Rod Thorn announced today. The Nets and Trail Blazers had agreed on a deal, pending a physical, that would have sent the nine-year veteran to the Nets in exchange for the Nets first round pick in 2006, lottery protected, and the team’s trade exception as a result of the Kerry Kittles trade to the Los Angeles Clippers in 2004.
“We were anticipating adding Shareef to our roster,” said Thorn. “However, during the course of his normal physical examination, some questions arose that gave us cause for concern. After consulting with several noted specialists, we feel that rescinding the trade is our best course of action. We will now look in other directions for ways to improve our team for the upcoming season.”

[spurschick]

:wow

[Kori Ellis]

Wow. I didn't think they'd actually back out. Well they really wanted him, so I guess those five or six doctors must have put real doubt in their heads.

[timvp]

Ouch.

SARS to San Antonio?

Let the sparks fly ... again.

:smokin

[picnroll]

Tlong's going to be pissed. So's SAR.

[Kori Ellis]

SAR should be pissed. Lawrence Frank convinced him to turn down a much higher offer from the Bucks.

[spur219]

Rasho for SAR.

[baseline bum]

Damn. Dude must be really fucked up or really pissed at the Nets. The Nets have nothing and nowhere to go now. Maybe Thorn got cold feet at the thought of signing him to 5 years after the way Kidd's 6-year deal has screwed them.

[picnroll]

So who has money left? Miami. Dallas.

[Kori Ellis]

If he didn't pass the Nets physical, then I doubt many other teams will be jumping all over him.

I don't think this is a case of the Nets getting cold feet about him. They really wanted him; his knee must be of concern. Lawrence Frank was at SAR's house at midnight when free agency began.

[samikeyp]

Rasho for SAR.

not if he can't pass a physical.

[boutons]

Exactly. If the Nets' docs didn't love him, why would the Spurs' docs?

Sucks all the way around, tough luck.

[Dex]

I want my vBucks back. All 25 of them. :blah

:pctoss

[spurschick]

I'm assuming that the vbookie was already paid out?

[Kori Ellis]

I'm assuming that the vbookie was already paid out?

Yes.

[Useruser666]

Can you sign a player to a no play no pay contract?

[Solid D]

Why would the Spurs want damaged goods?

[spurschick]

Yes.

Are you going to adjust? I know I got some for SAR signing with the Nets, but now he's not going.

[gospursgojas]

Yes.

VBookie Controversy :spin

[Ocotillo]

The Spurs have taken a player who's trade was voided due to failing a physical.



Recall Sean Elliott was traded to the Rockets who voided the trade after he failed the physical. Of course we know what they discovered in that physical. Despite his kidney problem, Sean came back to San Antonio and was productive for a while and won a ring in '99.

SAR's knee has supposedly been that way since HS. Maybe you take a chance provided the contract is written right.

[picnroll]

I wonder if this makes him uninsureable. If so SAR's value just hit rock bottom.

[ChumpDumper]

If the Nets' docs didn't love him, why would the Spurs' docs?If we got him for half price....

[Dex]

Can you sign a player to a no play no pay contract?

Brilliant!

Pay him like...1000 bucks / minute. Then let Pop stick him in the doghouse. :lol

God, that pay rate seems absolutely ridiculous....then you come to realize that it's not far off from what the average NBA player makes.

Tim makes like $4100 for every minute of playing time, put at a rough average of 38 minutes for 100 games in a seasons pay.

[tlongII]

This is ridiculous. Reef has never missed a game due to a knee injury in his entire career. He has some scar tissue from an injury he suffered in high school and the Nets seem to think it could potentially be arthritic. It has not caused him any problems to date though.

[ChumpDumper]

Can you sign a player to a no play no pay contract?You can certainly build in incentives for games played per season, etc. If at some point he can't play anymore, it's less of a problem now with the new CBA -- NJ is just especially gunshy since they are still paying Deke and Zo.

[td4mvp3]

i'd like to have him, particularly since he hasn't missed too many games from injury despite, one would assume, having this injury for a while. plus i'd win my vbookie back :)

[Dex]

I still can't help but wonder what the TRUE condition of this guys knee is, though.

As it's been stated before, the scar tissue that was discovered in his physical is something that has been there throughout his entire career. It came from an injury that he sustained through college, healed completely (minus the scar tissue, which is not that uncommon with any sort of serious injury) and has never caused a problem as long as he has been in the NBA. It was there when he played his first game, and it will be there when he plays his last game. That doesn't necessarily mean that it will ever be an issue.

I understand that this may have been a subject of concern to New Jersey, one they wanted to look into further before obligating themselves to a contract. However, there was apparently some major snafoo in PR, which was demonstrated in the news article where Rahim came out and publicly stated that he didn't appreciate the way he was being treated, and didn't want to play for New Jersey.

So I'm just left to wonder one thing: how much of this drop has to do with the 'problem' with his knee, and how much of it has to do with his desire to play (or not play, as the case may be) for the Nets?

[Kori Ellis]

how much of it has to do with his desire to play (or not play, as the case may be) for the Nets

He wants to play for the Nets. He turned down an offer of about $10M more from the Bucks. He only made the comments about not playing for them after they questioned his health.

[Dex]

He wants to play for the Nets. He turned down an offer of about $10M more from the Bucks. He only made the comments about not playing for them after they questioned his health.

Understood, but couldn't those comments have influenced their CURRENT decision of dropping him?

Perhaps they were just looking into the matters further, until he came out and made the statements that he did. Then they decided to add 2 and 2 together, and did not like the way that 4 was looking.

All I'm asking is...was it really 2+2? Or more like...1+3? Or, if his knee ended up not being as bad as they speculated, maybe even 0+4?

....for someone who hates math metaphors, I really shouldn't be using them. :blah

[Ocotillo]

I think Dex is referring to NJ not wanting to sign a guy who just said he doesn't want to play there.

[Dex]

I think Dex is referring to NJ not wanting to sign a guy who just said he doesn't want to play there.

Exactamo.

[yavozerb]

Only way we could get him is if we threw in scola..TD,SAR,BB,MG,TP (not a bad starting 5)

[ShoogarBear]

Maybe we could just sign SAR for our two games against the Nets . . .

[Bruno]

It seems that Nets must use the Trade exception today.
Rumors say they get Marc Jackson for the TE and a 2nd rounder.

edit : it's official

http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/jackson_050809.html

Philadelphia 76ers President Billy King announced today that the Sixers have traded forward Marc Jackson and an undisclosed amount of cash to the New Jersey Nets in exchange for a conditional second round pick in the 2006 NBA Draft.

In five NBA seasons, the 6-foot-10 forward has played with three different teams: Golden State (2000-02), Minnesota (2002-03) and Philadelphia (2003-05), averaging 9.0 points and 4.7 rebounds in 267 games (71 starts). Last season, Jackson averaged 12.0 points and 5.0 rebounds in a career-high 81 games (23 starts) with the 76ers, while shooting 46.5 percent (340-731 FG) from the field.

Drafted by Golden State in the second round (38th overall pick) of the 1997 NBA Draft after his junior season at Temple University, Jackson played three seasons internationally - Tofas Bursa (Turkey) in 1997-98, Lobos Caja Cantabria (Spain) in 1998-99 and Cantabria Lobos (Spain) in 1999-00. He joined the Warriors for the 2000-01 season, when he earned a selection to the NBA All-Rookie Team and finished third in the balloting for NBA Rookie of the Year.

[CaptainLate]

If we got him for half price....

``We were notified by New Jersey this afternoon that they were rescinding the sign and trade for Shareef Abdur Rahim,'' Trail Blazers general manager John Nash said Tuesday. ``They cited some concerns after a physical examination and believe that rescinding the trade is in their best interest. The contract that was agreed to with Shareef becomes null and void and he is now a free agent.''


He's a free agent. Will he take the MLE to prove he's not damaged goods?

[Money316]

Ouch.

SARS to San Antonio?

Let the sparks fly ... again.

:smokin

Honestly, why would one expect the professional judgement of Dr Schultz in San Antonio to be any different than the team of sports medicine doctors in NJ.

:fro :fro :fro

[Money316]

If he didn't pass the Nets physical, then I doubt many other teams will be jumping all over him.

I don't think this is a case of the Nets getting cold feet about him. They really wanted him; his knee must be of concern. Lawrence Frank was at SAR's house at midnight when free agency began.

Exactly; why would Schultz put his reputation on the line. What's to be gained if he's right and the Spurs hit on SAR? Everybody already knows he's the best. If he's wrong -- then everybody blames him.

Let's see, smart money says ... door number 1.
:fro :fro :fro

[CaptainLate]

This is ridiculous. Reef has never missed a game due to a knee injury in his entire career. He has some scar tissue from an injury he suffered in high school and the Nets seem to think it could potentially be arthritic. It has not caused him any problems to date though.

Agreed, which makes this appear that the Nets had second thoughts and are using the failed physical as their way out of the trade.

[Kori Ellis]

I think Dex is referring to NJ not wanting to sign a guy who just said he doesn't want to play there.


Well that article was pretty misleading. The title of it: "I DON'T WANT TO BE A NET" wasn't even a quote by Shareef. He said, "Right now I don't feel I want to be a Net." To me, that's a huge difference. I hated that article.

[Dex]

...well maybe that article isn't very fond of you either!

:pctoss

Just kidding. :spin I'm bored today.

[Kori Ellis]

Well if you read it, you'd see that the writer was definitely slanting things in a certain direction.

[E20]

Since he's not going to the Nets shouldn't that one VBookie be void/invalid?

[Dex]

Well if you read it, you'd see that the writer was definitely slanting things in a certain direction.

Yeah, don't get me wrong. I read the article, and I agree with where you're coming from about it. I was just wondering how much of it was just hyped-up propaganda, and how much of it wasn't.

Does them dropping him mean that they found that something IS, in fact, wrong with his knee....or did they drop him just because of how he feels about the organization now?

I suppose they referenced the whole physical thing, so that's what they're standing behind with their actions. I just cant help but wonder if there isn't anything else going on behind the scenes.

If it really is all about his health, then SAR is going to have a tough remainder of an offseason ahead of him.

[picnroll]

Since he's not going to the Nets shouldn't that one VBookie be void/invalid?
Sorry, no can do. I already paid my vTaxes

[Money316]

Well if you read it, you'd see that the writer was definitely slanting things in a certain direction.

Kori - interesting comment. Talk about a reporter possibly creating the news where there wasn't any.

The greatest trick the devil ever played ....

:fro :fro :fro

[clubalien]

good thing that vbookie bit wasn;t paid out yet

edit Just read it was paid out
sorry about that

[Kori Ellis]

Does them dropping him mean that they found that something IS, in fact, wrong with his knee....or did they drop him just because of how he feels about the organization now?

I doubt he had any long term ill feelings for the organization BEFORE they dropped him. He's been close with Lawrence Frank for a long time. I think this is just about NJ management being gun shy of injuries as ChumpDumper said earlier in this thread.

[Gummi]

People don't forget that he's only 28 going on 29. His health isn't going to decrease over a year. The word "potentially" is a tricky one. Like we all know, he's never missed a single game because of his knees. But I understand the Nets concerns. They already burned themselves on Alonzo and his contract.

Who knows after 5 years. Maybe Shareef will be retired because of his knees, but you can't put a label on him like he's damaged goods.I'm sure Pop and R.C. would welcome him with open arms if they could work out a deal for him. 5 years is too long of a contract IMO for a 28-29 year old guy that has shaky knees. I would be happy to offer him 2-3 years, but I'm pretty sure he's not looking for a deal that short.

[dunkman]

Well, could be a contract with team option after three years.

[exstatic]

Shawn Michaels = Ghost.

"Hey, I've heard of that guy! Let's get him!"

[bigbendbruisebrother]

I want my vBucks back. All 25 of them. :blah

:pctoss

Hey, shut up! I made $30,000 on the deal. :depressed

[exstatic]

So did NJ...until they saw his MRI.

[gospursgojas]

So whats going on with the VBookie payout, I didn't bet so I guess I really should be minding my own business, but I'm just curious as to what is going to happen. The title of the VBookie was titled: Where will Shareef Abdur-Rahim sign?.

So did he ever actually sign with the Nets or just say that he was commited to them?

I know I am probally instagating something that I'm not even a part of but ...ahh well :lol

[Kori Ellis]

We paid out for New Jersey when this was released:


As expected, Shareef Abdur-Rahim signed Tuesday with the New Jersey Nets for five years, pending the results of his physical.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't get the MRI excuse. It's scar tissue. If you've ever played sports in your life, you've got it in your knees and ankles.

Sounds like the Nets liked the idea of Marc Jackson more (more acccurately, what they would have to give up vis a vis what they would have had to send to Portland) and came up with an excuse.

Second round pick vs. first round pick, and it's easy to say "gee, those knees don't look so hot."

Enter RC with Rasho, stage left...

[sickdsm]

Before everyone jumps all over the Nets, you have to realize they probably know a lot more than us medically. Maybe there is something different that they see than whats being reported. I think Marc Jackson is a steal for them. I really think he may fit alot better than SAR. He LOVES garbage plays and with that high flying/scoring trio, what a great fit! I know alot of us wolves fans were very dissapointed when it came out that Jackson was the throw in to the Spree deal.

[Kori Ellis]

Sounds like the Nets liked the idea of Marc Jackson more (more acccurately, what they would have to give up vis a vis what they would have had to send to Portland) and came up with an excuse.

I don't buy that. Do you guys realize how hard NJ went after Shareef?

I think they have what they think are legitimate injury concerns.

[Dex]

I don't get the MRI excuse. It's scar tissue. If you've ever played sports in your life, you've got it in your knees and ankles.



I'm no health expert or anything, but I was thinking the same thing earlier.

An MRI would probably reveal a plethora of scar tissue in Duncan's legs, too. You could still bet that wouldn't stop any team in the league from pulling the trigger on a deal for him as soon as they could wrap their finger around it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Sorry Kori, if all of a sudden I found out Philly would send me Marc Jackson (a somewhat legitimate center in the East) for a second round pick and the trade exeption, versus having to give up a first rounder in exchange for a PF, I'd do it too.

I just hope the Spurs can pick up the pieces, because I think Thorn was full of shit on this deal with Shareef.

[Kori Ellis]

New Jersey hasn't said that the MRI revealed scar tissue from years ago. I think that's just what everyone has assumed they are talking about. For all we know, it's something else on the MRI.

Also, they've been trying to re-negotiate the terms of the contract with him for the past few days to give themselves more security. So I think they really wanted him.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yeah, I guess in theory it could be, but his knees never looked like a problem in years past.

I'd bet that you could do an MRI of the knees of every player in the NBA and not find a single one without scar tissue in their knees.

Sorry, I gotta call bullshit on this one. I guess the upcoming seasons will decide that one.

I imagine his value is pretty low right now, we could probably swing a deal on that if we are still looking to move Rasho.

Send Portland Rasho and Scola and get this done.

[timvp]

Portland isn't taking on anymore salary. No way that do that deal.

Too bad.

[picnroll]

You'd have to be pretty sick franchise to knowing falsely put out that a player was damaged goods to the point you didn't want to go through with an agreed upon deal. That would be the last FA that ever agreed to sign with your club.

[Kori Ellis]

but his knees never looked like a problem in years past.

They haven't been. But I guess since the Nets are gun shy, they are worried about what might happen in the next five years. I can't really blame them. They were crazily after the guy - so I don't think it's just because they figured out Jackson was cheaper.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yeah, I think it is a combination of the Jackson deal materializing and also being gunshy considering their past luck with overpaying FAs who ended up with injuries (granted any franchise dumb enough to pay what they did for Alonzo deserves whatever misery comes their way).

[mrpach]

Mabe whatever they found in SAR's leg was similar to Kidd's knee, they decided that they would take the risk with Kidd but they're too scared to take the risk again.
At least that would explain the sudden paranoia
(yep just talkin for talkin)

[Dex]

I guess it's easy to understand the Net's reluctancy. They've already got to worry about a starting point with a bum knee, and Vince Carter with scar tissue for a brain. :lol

[Guru of Nothing]

This sounds like a job for the player's union.

[whottt]

Maybe the Nets stopped wanting him after he said he didn't feel he wanted to be a Net...and that's why they went with the Jackson trade...it's not like Reef gurantees winning or anything...if he got an attitude with the Spurs I'd want them to do the same thing the Nets did...and drop him instantly.


If he does have some potential injury...

Just remember, the Spurs took Elliott knowing he had a career threatening problem...they might be willing to gamble.

And also remember...If we were to get Reef...he WILL be playing many more games per year than he is used to playing...and unlike every other year of Reef's career...the Spurs play meaningful contested games after Training Camp.

[gospursgojas]

I guess it's easy to understand the Net's reluctancy. They've already got to worry about a starting point with a bum knee, and Vince Carter with scar tissue for a brain. :lol

:lol But seriously VC does have a bad knee also

[yavozerb]

According to Cnn/Si Sar is supposed to sign with Kings by this sat...

[Streakyshooter08]

If that is true the Kings have a good team, but still no defense...

Miller/Skinner
Rahim/ Williamson
Stojakovic/ Thomas
Wells/
Bibby/ Hart/ Price

[Taking it to the Hole]

Portland doesn't want Rasho, so there is no way any trade with them is going to happen, plus I wouldn't be willing to part with Scola, who I think the Spurs have invested too much time and effort to just let him go. I think any trade for Rasho has to be a straight up trade, and that isn't likely.

[sickdsm]

New Jersey hasn't said that the MRI revealed scar tissue from years ago. I think that's just what everyone has assumed they are talking about. For all we know, it's something else on the MRI.....................



What i was trying to say.

[CaptainLate]

I don't buy that. Do you guys realize how hard NJ went after Shareef?

I think they have what they think are legitimate injury concerns.

Sure they went after him hard. But that doesn't mean that something else better to their liking came around (after the trade announcement) and failing the physical gave them a way to get out. I'm sure this isn't over and that SAR, wherever he signs, will have more to say on the matter.

[ChumpDumper]

They tried to talk Rahim into a shorter contract, so they still wanted him.

[CaptainLate]

...being gunshy considering their past luck with overpaying FAs who ended up with injuries (granted any franchise dumb enough to pay what they did for Alonzo deserves whatever misery comes their way).

You better thank heavens they did or we'd be stuck with Kidd; no Manu; an unhappy Parker and no 3rd title.

[CaptainLate]

And also remember...If we were to get Reef...he WILL be playing many more games per year than he is used to playing...and unlike every other year of Reef's career...the Spurs play meaningful contested games after Training Camp.

But our roster allows us to be able to limit his minutes.