Am I the only one horrified of the thought of Bush V Clinton 2016?

[Thebesteva]

Please tell me this isnt the probability of the 2016 elections :cry

Bush's are proven losers and war profitiers, and Hilary is not Presidential material. Also, if Clinton or Bush run its slowly turning into a freaking monarchy with those 2 names skull fucking this country.

[boutons_deux]

What about RickyBobby? from TX, rednecks love him, extreme right-wing, drinks BigOil for breakfast, corrupt Repug

vs Liz Warren?

[boutons_deux]

we stick ron paul's brain in Rand paul's body, and then RonRand runs on a Paul/Paul solo ticket

libertarians are frauds, esp the ones who live and breath moocher/taker Ayn Rand's "philosophy"

[pgardn]

Please tell me this isnt the probability of the 2016 elections :cry

Bush's are proven losers and war profitiers, and Hilary is not Presidential material. Also, if Clinton or Bush run its slowly turning into a freaking monarchy with those 2 names skull fucking this country.

So what would you like to see?

[DarrinS]

Don't really care anymore

[Thebesteva]

So what would you like to see?

Honestly, I dunno, no one seems to do anything right anymore. New party time tbh

[boutons_deux]

blanket statements are always wrong

all AYN RAND libertarians are frauds

and the rest of libertarians are deluded dreamers.

[boutons_deux]

Speaking of RAND, evidence for the points below in main article

10 (insane) things I learned about the world reading Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged”

1. All evil people are unattractive; all good and trustworthy people are handsome.

2. The mark of a great businessman is that he sneers at the idea of public safety.

3. Bad guys get their way through democracy; good guys get their way through violence.

4. The government has never invented anything or done any good for anyone.

5. Violent jealousy and degradation are signs of true love.

6. All natural resources are limitless.

7. Pollution and advertisements are beautiful; pristine wilderness is ugly and useless.

8. Crime doesn’t exist, even in areas of extreme poverty.

9. The only thing that matters in life is how good you are at making money.

10. Smoking is good for you.

http://www.salon.com/2014/04/29/10_insane_things_i_learned_about_the_world_reading _ayn_rands_atlas_shrugged_partner/

[pgardn]

Honestly, I dunno, no one seems to do anything right anymore. New party time tbh

Thats too easy.

This board has proven time and time again it's easier to break than build.
Pick one candidate from as many parties as you choose and give 5 positive attributes of each.

[Nbadan]

Elizabeth Warren is the progressive darling.....if she was to run with a popular Hispanic TX city mayor as her side-kick....

...possibilities...

[Nbadan]

GOP is stuck on dumb because to be popular you have to be just to the right of Sean Hannity.....I call it the 'Rush effect'....these 24-7 wing-nut shows on AM radio set a right-wing standard that no GOP politician can live up to....

The Tea Party wing loves themselves some Rand and Ryan
Jeb would have to make a lot of enemies, or win-over a lot of hearts
I suggested he run as just JEB...try to downplay he is a Bush...

[boutons_deux]

Donors Weigh Jilting Christie for Jeb Bush

Jeb Bush’s increasingly serious and public examination of a run for president has shaken the ranks of establishment Republican donors and fund-raisers who had planned to back Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey in 2016, forcing many of them to rethink their allegiance to the embattled governor (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/11/nyregion/hundreds-of-pages-on-bridge-scandal-released.html).

In private conversations that are now seeping into public view, some of them are signaling to Mr. Christie’s camp that, should Mr. Bush enter the race, their first loyalty would be to him, not to Mr. Christie, according to interviews with more than two dozen of them.

Many of those who, because of geography and personal ties, were expected to line up behind Mr. Christie say they now feel torn. And it is clear that Mr. Christie’s recent troubles, especially the George Washington Bridge scandal, are adding to the allure of Mr. Bush, a former Florida governor.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/05/02/us/politics/jeb-bushs-2016-flirtations-test-loyalty-of-christie-backers.html?from=homepage

Repugs are so screwed up by tea baggers, that they are considering running on nothing but the Bush brand name, which was destroyed by dubya, dickhead, and their 2000s fiascos.

[angrydude]

Speaking of RAND, evidence for the points below in main article

10 (insane) things I learned about the world reading Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged”

1. All evil people are unattractive; all good and trustworthy people are handsome.

2. The mark of a great businessman is that he sneers at the idea of public safety.

3. Bad guys get their way through democracy; good guys get their way through violence.

4. The government has never invented anything or done any good for anyone.

5. Violent jealousy and degradation are signs of true love.

6. All natural resources are limitless.

7. Pollution and advertisements are beautiful; pristine wilderness is ugly and useless.

8. Crime doesn’t exist, even in areas of extreme poverty.

9. The only thing that matters in life is how good you are at making money.

10. Smoking is good for you.

http://www.salon.com/2014/04/29/10_insane_things_i_learned_about_the_world_reading _ayn_rands_atlas_shrugged_partner/




You're really stuck up on a book written over 50 years ago aren't you?

BTW, anarcho-capitalism is where all the action's at in the libertarian movement today. You need to update your newsfeeds.

[The Reckoning]

i was spouting anarchism in '08 before those posers all stole my ideas

[boutons_deux]

You're really stuck up on a book written over 50 years ago aren't you?

BTW, anarcho-capitalism is where all the action's at in the libertarian movement today. You need to update your newsfeeds.

your buddy Paul Ryan and many other Repug assholes are totally hung up on, committed to executing the dystopia described by Ayn Rand.

anarcho-capitalism? a nighmarish dystopia, without any pretensions to democracy

Anarcho-capitalism (also referred to as free-market anarchism,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#cite_note-Stringham504-1) market anarchism,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#cite_note-2) private-property anarchism,[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#cite_note-AL-3) libertarian anarchism[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#cite_note-4)) is a political philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_philosophy) which advocates the elimination of the state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)) in favor of individual sovereignty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-ownership), private property (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property), and open markets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_(economics)).

Anarcho-capitalists believe that in the absence of statute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute) (law by decree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree) or legislation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislation)), society would improve itself through the discipline of the free market (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market) (or what its proponents describe as a "voluntary society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_society)").[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#cite_note-5)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#cite_note-Stringham51-6)

In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police), courts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court), and all other security services would be operated by privately funded competitors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_defense_agencies) rather than centrally through compulsory taxation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation).

Money (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money), along with all other goods and services, would be privately and competitively provided (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_banking) in an open market.

Therefore, personal and economic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic) activities under anarcho-capitalism would be regulated by victim-based dispute resolution organizations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispute_resolution_organizations) under tort (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort) and contract (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract) law, rather than by statute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute) through centrally determined punishment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punishment) under political (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics) monopolies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopolies)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

:lol If you're fan of a-c, GFY. :lol

[angrydude]

I'm just posting this so boutons can stop spamming crap about Ayn Rand since objectivism is about as relevant today as horse drawn carriages.

This is from the Ayn Rand website.

http://ari.aynrand.org/faq


WHAT IS ARI’S VIEW OF THE LIBERTARIAN MOVEMENT?
1. Has ARI changed its position on libertarianism?
No. But the meaning of the term “libertarian” has been changing over the decades. Consequently, individuals or organizations that today call themselves “libertarian” may or may not hold the ideas we oppose.

The libertarianism we oppose is a specific set of ideas, the essence of which is a dedicated, thoroughgoing subjectivism. Libertarianism in this sense was spearheaded by Murray Rothbard and his followers in the 1960s and 1970s. Its political expression is anarchism, or “anarcho-capitalism” as they often term it, and a foreign policy of rabid anti-Americanism (which they pass off as “non-interventionism”).

The “libertarians,” in this usage of the term, plagiarize Ayn Rand’s non-initiation of force principle and convert it into an axiom, denying the need for and relevance of philosophical fundamentals — not only the underlying ethics, but also the underlying metaphysics and epistemology.

[boutons_deux]

fuck any website in Ayn Rand's name, and all such inane, semantic, philsophical bullshit, because none of it will actually get implemented in concrete govt policies.

The key point is POLICY, and Repug "intellectual" and financial leader/wonk Paul Ryan puts out Ayn Ryan budgets with 100% support from tea bagger (Kock Bros) assholes.

[baseline bum]

Elizabeth Warren is the progressive darling.....if she was to run with a popular Hispanic TX city mayor as her side-kick....

...possibilities...

They'd get fucking slaughtered when they couldn't raise the necessary $1 billion in bribes to win one of our phony elections.

[Nbadan]

They'd get fucking slaughtered when they couldn't raise the necessary $1 billion in bribes to win one of our phony elections.

Yeah, I guess I should have included if we still lived in a Republic....John Wayne is rolling in his grave....

[Nbadan]

George W. Bush wants Jeb Bush to run, says he'd be 'great president'
Source: Los Angeles Times
Daniel Rothberg
May 1, 2014, 4:18 p.m.
Reporting from Washington—


President George W. Bush said his younger brother Jeb Bush would make a “great president,” as speculation builds that the Republican former governor of Florida might mount a run for the White House in 2016.

Jeb Bush, a favorite of the Republican establishment, has maintained a high public profile in recent weeks, appearing at GOP fundraising events and weighing in on debates over immigration and education policy. He has publicly backed at least two GOP candidates in 2014 races, including his recent endorsement of California gubernatorial candidate Neel Kashkari.

“I hope Jeb runs,” the former president said during an interview on CNN. “I think he would be a great president. I have no clue what’s on his mind, and we will talk when he’s ready.”

In a GOP presidential primary, a new poll shows Jeb Bush and Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky at the front of the pack, but by an extremely narrow margin. According to a Washington Post-ABC News poll released this week, 14% of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents each support Bush and Paul, while 13% back former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, and 11% line up behind Wisconsin Rep. Paul D. Ryan.

SNIP...

“He’s checking his core, and as he said publicly, ‘I’m thinking about my family,’” George W. Bush said. “And of course, he knows full well what a run for the presidency can do on family.”

[Nbadan]

Hillary Clinton Would Beat Jeb Bush In Florida (+8 Quinnipiac)
Source: United Press International


Hillary Clinton is running 8 percentage points ahead of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in his home state, the Quinnipiac Poll said Thursday. Among Democrats, Clinton has huge leads over Vice President Joe Biden and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren. Bush beats a big field of potential Republican contenders for the 2016 presidential nomination, getting 27 percent of the Republicans compared to 14 percent for Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul and 11 percent for Florida Sen. Marco Rubio.

The poll found that Clinton's advantage over Bush is 49-41. With the rest of the potential Republican field she was the choice of more than half of respondents, leading Rubio 52-40 and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie 52-34.
Another former Florida governor, Republican-turned-Democrat Charlie Crist, would beat Gov. Rick Scott by 10 points if the election were held now. Quinnipiac said that a big reason appears to be that Florida voters, by 15 points, say Crist is more compassionate than Scott. A January Quinnipiac Poll found Crist leading Scott 46-38, a lead that has edged up to 48-38. More than half, 53 percent of respondents, said Scott does not deserve another term in office.

"So far, Florida Gov. Rick Scott's television barrage apparently has had no impact on the race. The incumbent has not been able to reduce former Gov. Charlie Crist's lead. In fact, voters see Crist's party switch in a positive light and the incumbent's effort to tie Crist's support for Obamacare has not yet borne fruit," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the polling institute at Quinnipiac in Hamden, Conn. Just over half, 52 percent, said Crist did a good job when he was governor, compared to 42 percent who say Scott is doing well.


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/05/01/Poll-Hillary-Clinton-would-beat-Jeb-Bush-in-Florida/9691398951692/#ixzz30VdedQzT

[velik_m]

Why would you be horrified? Did anything of value change after Obama replaced Bush? It's all the same crap - why do you care who wins?

[The Reckoning]

Why would you be horrified? Did anything of value change after Obama replaced Bush? It's all the same crap - why do you care who wins?


maybe that's the reason


and to think europeans were obama's biggest supporters :lmao

just because he's not a republican baby boomer whitey doesn't automatically make him better. european logic baffles me sometimes.

[mercos]

I'm not horrified by the thought of Bush vs Clinton part 2, but I wouldn't be happy about it either. I'd rather see a real choice, something like Elizabeth Warren vs Rand Paul. This country needs to be shaken up.

[Nbadan]

Why would you be horrified? Did anything of value change after Obama replaced Bush? It's all the same crap - why do you care who wins?

No new wars
stopped the crazy of the Supreme Court
Surpluses and private jobs adding up
Millions of Americans who previously couldn't get insurance, now have insurance
stopped the GOP approved torture, rape and murder....

[velik_m]

No new wars
stopped the crazy of the Supreme Court
Surpluses and private jobs adding up
Millions of Americans who previously couldn't get insurance, now have insurance
stopped the GOP approved torture, rape and murder....

Libya? And lets not pretend that the USA has nothing to do with shit going down in Syria.

Did he stopped the tortures? Or did he just stop the leaks about it. Cause he sure spend a lot of effort on that... BTW Guantanamo is still open... (http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/03/11/3987978/us-now-calls-guantanamo-hunger.html)

And he certainly didn't stop spying on anyone. Can you tell me why do you have to spy on all of my internet browsing and all my chats? What did i ever do to you, for you to finance a massive dragnet on me?

[Winehole23]

Andrew Ferguson debunks the 'moderate" gloss:


The astonishing achievements of Bush’s eight years in office will soon, he hopes, be familiar to primary voters. Even Republican non-Floridians might have missed them if they weren’t paying attention.

“Jeb Bush is as conservative as any governor in America, and much more so than most,” wrote the journalist Tucker Carlson in 1999. “But you’d never know it unless you listened carefully, or took a close look at the bills he supports. If Bush’s legislation is radical, his tone is all accommodation and empathy.”


The Bush record in Florida is like a wish list conjured from right-wing daydreams. With Republican majorities in both houses of the state legislature, “Bush made Florida into a laboratory of conservative governance,” writes Matthew T. Corrigan in Conservative Hurricane: How Jeb Bush Remade Florida, destined for now to be the definitive account of Bush’s eight years in Tallahassee.


Corrigan is a political science professor at the University of North Florida and shows every indication of having the political leanings common to his trade. He records with mounting horror the list of Bush’s successes. While Florida’s population grew by two million, the state government’s workforce declined by 13,000—the result of sweeping privatization of everything from state park maintenance to personnel management. At least one kind of state tax or another was cut every year he was in office, for a total of $19 billion. He left office with a $3 billion surplus in the state treasury. For the first time in history the state earned a AAA bond rating.


It helped that in his first two years his state, like many others in the blissful ’90s, was awash in cash, pouring in from the economic boom and from billion-dollar settlements with tobacco companies. An Associated Press headline from 1999 summarized the lucky position he found himself in: “Bush budget has it all: spending increases, tax cuts.” Spending increases were of a particular kind: More money was poured into care for seniors, for instance, but only to fund vouchers and other mechanisms that transferred control of their care from state institutions to family members or the seniors themselves. Otherwise the fiscal discipline continued through flush times and bad, often against the opposition of some powerful Republican legislators, who saw no reason why new revenue had to be returned to the taxpayers. One bitter Republican leader called Bush and his staff “Shiite Republicans.”


The epithet was directed as well at Bush’s nonfiscal agenda. After a mad rush in the first year, he and the legislature ran out of ways to liberalize gun laws; the Stand Your Ground law implicated in the Trayvon Martin shooting was a Bush-era innovation. Under Bush, Florida even exempted gun shops from state rules regulating chemical runoff into the water table, a legislative two-fer beyond the imagination of the most fevered deregulating gun nut.


Bush’s attempts to limit abortion were unprecedented in Florida and most other states too. Many of the laws were overturned by hostile state judges, but even so, only a few years into the Bush era, the Florida legislature had banned partial-birth abortion, imposed parental notification requirements on minors seeking abortions, subsidized antiabortion pregnancy centers, funded pro-life billboards along state highways, and even offered a “Choose Life” license plate. Bush’s rhetoric in pursuing his social agenda was typically rounded. He framed parental notification, for instance, not as a means to reduce abortions but an opportunity for parents “to love and console.” His stubborn fight for the right to life of Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman whose husband obtained a court order to hasten her death by denying her food and water, drew international attention, much of it horrified.


“I just think it’s humorous,” Tom Feeney says now, when reminded that lots of reporters and Republicans are calling Bush a moderate. “It’s pure revisionism for anyone to ignore the fact that he was the most conservative governor in the country.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/education-jeb-bush_892790.html?page=3

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If it looks like Bush I will likely primary GOP.

[TeyshaBlue]

Time for a beer bet. Name yer brew.

[Drachen]

Time for a beer bet. Name yer brew.

St. Benardus Watou Triple

What are we betting about?

[boutons_deux]

Hillary and JEB are the establishment/Wall St choices.

We'll see if Adelson, Kock Bros, and other 0.01%ers can buy the election for their extreme fringe assholes.

[pgardn]

Hillary and JEB are the establishment/Wall St choices.

We'll see if Adelson, Kock Bros, and other 0.01%ers can buy the election for their extreme fringe assholes.

Ted Cruz is your man.
You want a guy who says what he feels and antiestablishment.
So who is your choice boots, what democrat would you back?

[DMX7]

I would vote Romney over Hillary... seriously. He is socially awkward but ultimately he is pretty pragmatic which is a good quality to have in the White House.

[The Reckoning]

maybe rand will have a better show than daddeh

[Blizzardwizard]

Hillary and JEB are the establishment/Wall St choices.

We'll see if Adelson, Kock Bros, and other 0.01%ers can buy the election for their extreme fringe assholes.

Those Kock brothers will make sure Jeb or Palin or whoever wins it.

For the Democrat's sake though, it better not be Hillary. Another faux-liberal playing to the tune of the Conservative masters at the top.

Bernie. Sanders. You know it makes sense.

[baseline bum]

For 2016 it looks like I'll cast a write-in vote for Cunty McShitballs tbh.