RC Buford wins Executive of the Year (finally)

[FromWayDowntown]

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[Sa_Spursfan20]

A long time coming for sure. Congrats RC!

[bigfan]

about damn time.

[DesignatedT]

:tu

[will_spurs]

At last! Congrats :tu

[Uriel]

Congrats R.C. Well deserved and long overdue. :tu

It's kind of funny he'd win it this year though when he didn't really do anything (i.e. failed to execute any notable trades / sign any notable free agents from the buyout market) :lol

[barakz21]

Well.. He was bound to win one, and it's been a long time coming. That said, congrats R.C!

[Harry Callahan]

Body of Work award along with league's best record this year. Why not?

[bklynspursfan]

Nice!!

[Captivus]

The Belli effect.

[NASpurs]

about damn time.

[will_spurs]

It's kind of funny he'd win it this year though when he didn't really do anything (i.e. failed to execute any notable trades / sign any notable free agents from the buyout market) :lol

Then again the other contenders didn't do much either... which means the time was ripe for a "body of work" type of award.

[Cklbmk]

Excellent. Tbh I wasn;t expecting him to be in the running this year. I figured Morey would run away with it simply due to Dwight Howard

[MI21]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/spurs/imgs/131010_ayres_roster.jpg

[Budkin]

Took long enough.

[spursparker9]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/spurs/imgs/131010_ayres_roster.jpg

:lol:lol:lol

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

An additional ring would be a nice touch to the award.

[BillMc]

Congrats R.C.!!!!

[Seventyniner]

Lifetime achievement award tbh

Well deserved though

[mrjap2x]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/spurs/imgs/131010_ayres_roster.jpg
Larry Bird actually won the same award the same season he signed Ayers :wow

[100%duncan]

Not sure he deserved it this year. But of all the years prior to 2014, RC truly wins tbh.

[EVAY]

Congrats R.C. Well deserved and long overdue. :tu

It's kind of funny he'd win it this year though when he didn't really do anything (i.e. failed to execute any notable trades / sign any notable free agents from the buyout market) :lol

Knowing when to do nothing is a pretty good thing to know, as it turns out.

Also, re-signing Splitter sure looks like a damn fine move right now, doesn't it?




Congratulations R.C. You have been talked about for years as a brain trust in the F.O. Nice to see the recognition more than lip-service!!

[Mugen]

Congrats RC....

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/442889022.jpg?1320639950

[Chomag]

Didnt do anything this year... that's kind of funny. However I think he had deserved it a few years ago.

[MI21]

Congrats RC....

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/442889022.jpg?1320639950

:lol

Seriously though, congrats to RC. Doesn't deserve it this year but no doubting he has been an exceptional exec for a long time now.

[Mugen]

It's obviously a lifetime achievement award which is more than fine with me tbh. RC has deserved it and is the Executive of the Century by far.

But any other GM that brings in a tiny toothed loser like Ayres should have been fired :lol

[FromWayDowntown]

The history of the NBA needed RC to get this award at least once to recognize just how remarkably good the Spurs front office has been for a generation (regardless of what many Spurs fans think of it). Parts of the quiet greatness of this franchise during this era has already been lost with Bruce Bowen having never gotten the Defensive Player of the Year award he so richly deserved (and Tim Duncan likely retiring without ever having won that award either).

I believe that accolades genuinely don't mean much for these guys, but it's good to know that their mark on the NBA's history is now permanent and undeniable.

[ginobilized]

Congrats to RC and the Spurs!!!

I think he deserves it this year for NOT changing the team radically. That's an executive decision that seems to be paying dividends.

[mudyez]

I'm still bitter Bird won it that one yearjust to make him MVP/COY/EOY.

[SupremeGuy]

He should honestly have at least 2-3 of them, tbh.

[TheGoldStandard]

RC did something that takes a lot of guts. He overpaid a scrub that hindered the Spurs in Jeff Ayres and made the team stronger by overcoming that obstacle.

[Old School 44]

I think one of the reasons why RC hadn't won in the past, is that Pop, as team President and Head Coach, is perceived in the media to make all the decisions.

[wildbill2u]

I don't think RC gets enough credit for training a lot of FO guys in the league who have turned out to be successful GMs after a stint with the Spurs. They may add their own wrinkles to the Spurs system of management, but the result speaks for itself. Other teams want Spurs FO alumni.

[FromWayDowntown]

I don't think RC gets enough credit for training a lot of FO guys in the league who have turned out to be successful GMs after a stint with the Spurs. They may add their own wrinkles to the Spurs system of management, but the result speaks for itself. Other teams want Spurs FO alumni.

Also, those alumni are now voting for this award, since the Executive of the Year is voted upon by the other league general managers and not by the media. Having old friends with votes (and likely an understanding that this award is long overdue) helps.

[xmas1997]

Congrats on RC and Pop winning their just due awards this year, well deserved.
Eat this, Pop and RC haters!
:lol

[dg7md]

Great news and well-deserved.

Something terrible though, I got the notification on my phone from the Spurs app and saw "Breaking news", then "RC Buford", and I immediately thought he passed away or something. :(

Very glad to read "Executive of the Year" after that little scare.

[ElNono]

Congrats RC!

Who's gonna do damage control though? :lol

[Seventyniner]

Larry Bird actually won the same award the same season he signed Ayers :wow

Ayers = EoY? Who knew? That might increase his trade value.

If the Pacers would have finished the season as strong as they started, Bird would have won in a landslide. There is something to be said for chemistry and continuity, and that Granger/Turner trade is looking like a disaster.

[TampaDude]

An additional ring would be a nice touch to the award.

^ this

[Spur|n|Austin]

Larry Bird actually won the same award the same season he signed Ayers :wow

:lol wow

[Jimcs50]

3 major awards in one year:

COY- Pop

EOY- RC

Finals MVP- TP

[urunobili]

on the year all laughed at him for renewing Tiago and Manu at such amounts :lmao

[Brazil]

Congrats RC!

Who's gonna do damage control though? :lol

dat $14M 2 years bargain contract sealed the deal for R.C tbh

I hope he will give you credit

[Brazil]

on the year all laughed at him for renewing Tiago and Manu at such amounts :lmao

I never thought Tiago's contract was a bad one on the contrary, it was the market price and it is an adequate amount...

For ElNono client contract, I must admit Manu is telling me during these POs shut the fuck up faggot tbh :lol

[DPG21920]

I am shocked he won it this year. He's been fantastic so I am thrilled for him and the Spurs. Having COY/EOY in the same year is very cool.

[Robz4000]

Congrats RC, long overdue.

[BatManu20]

This is more of a lifetime achievement award than anything. Which is fine. Congrats R.C.

[Kawhi]

Larry Bird actually won the same award the same season he signed Ayers :wow
This is true, doubt anyone can :downspin: this fact

[Arcadian]

Niiiiice....we just had a thread last month about how he never won it :lol

[Skull-1]

TOOK LONG ENOUGH!

[Mel_13]

Also, those alumni are now voting for this award, since the Executive of the Year is voted upon by the other league general managers and not by the media. Having old friends with votes (and likely an understanding that this award is long overdue) helps.

RC Buford joked he won Exec of the Year because he's finally got enough former staffers in GM posts to stuff ballot box.
https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN

[hsxvvd]

“Sitting quietly, doing nothing, spring comes, and the grass grows by itself”

[gameFACE]

Congrats to RC.


I think one of the reasons why RC hadn't won in the past, is that Pop, as team President and Head Coach, is perceived in the media to make all the decisions.

Pop is basically a media hog disguising as someone who doesn't like the media. Players are kept in line as well as RC and the rest of the staff. Pop, though, steals the limelight with his "coaches interview" schtik.

[Chinook]

I thought this was the Spurs' weakest off-season in recent memory. (I know 09 ended up being a failure, but we didn't know that until a year or so later.) But I guess there wasn't much real competition this year. King would have been a shoe-in had the Nets not had such a horrible start. As it was, instead of him getting credit for pulling off a huge deal, he got blamed for giving up so much of the future for such little return. I thought Danny Ainge did a pretty good job, but Boston sucked too much for him to have any chance to winning.

I probably would have given it to Cho out in Charlotte. His signings worked well. He made a smart trade to add talent. Overall he help bring a team from the bottom of the East to being a little respectable, and he did so without hindering his team's future prospects.

[Duncanforthree]

Well deserved and long overdue. Congrats to RC!

[slick'81]

Sure it wasn't one of the most memorable spurs off seasons but fck it give RC some love

[CGD]

The taint of HWSNBN is finally gone

[DJR210]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/spurs/imgs/131010_ayres_roster.jpg

Breaking News: In a shocking move, the NBA rescinds Executive of the Year award after realizing Jeff Ayers is on the Spurs roster..

http://www.nba.com/NBA-rescinds-top-executive-award-spurs

[DAF86]

TOOK LONG ENOUGH!

That Manu extension did the trick, tbh.

[DAF86]

The guy that put the Nets toghether deserved it this year, tbh.

[Darkwaters]

Long overdue. Congrats RC.

[vander]

Congrats R.C. Well deserved and long overdue. :tu

It's kind of funny he'd win it this year though when he didn't really do anything (i.e. failed to execute any notable trades / sign any notable free agents from the buyout market) :lol

do they really give this award based on the current year?
you can't really judge FO moves until years later

[JMarkJohns]

Gonna be honest.

It's bullshit, and not even by a little.

The Suns were predicted to have 18-20 wins. Both Hornacek and McDonough are uniquely responsible for a team who exceeded expectation by 30 games by trading veterans, acquiring hungry bench players, and having a vision and blueprint for success.

I get Buford is overall deserving, and Pops is Pops, but you all suck for tipping a figurative cap to such a goddamn travesty. Awards have officially slutted up their integrity.

[DPG21920]

:lol Suns were "predicted". What a terrible argument. By that logic, we can say Duncan is MVP, Pop COY and RC EOY and Manu 6MOY & Kawhi MIP because the Spurs have been "predicted" to be too old for so many years. They not only were "predicted" to melt down after what happened in last years finals, but they came out and had the best record in the league despite massive injuries and these "predictions".

[JMarkJohns]

Don't be an ass.

It's bullshit and you know it.

They had a bottom five roster before McDonough, and finished with 48 wins when he finished.

Many lament the past robberies of RC while with the same breath cheering on his bullshit lifetime win in the same bullshit robbery fashion at the expense of a rookie GM who took one of the league's bleakest rosters and futures and in one offseason changed its fortunes immeasurably.

All's fair, but calling a spade a spade doesn't make you a bad fan. It makes you a good one.

I can understand Pop. Did a hell of a job managing injuries, age.

But Buford is straight slung bullshit by jealous execs at the immediate and lasting effects McDonough has made to a team completely written off by even is Suns fans.

[Mugen]

:lol The Suns were actively trying to put together a tanking team for this year's draft tbh....

[HI-FI]

i was shocked but happy when the news popped up on my iPod. long overdue but better late than never. :tu to RC.

[JMarkJohns]

:lol The Suns were actively trying to put together a tanking team for this year's draft tbh....

And stumbled into 48 wins despite significant injury?

Don't be a head-in-the-sand RCtard.

It's a stolen, bullshit honor at the expense of the rightful rookie winner. Execs voted, sent a message. I'll send one, too.

Go simultaneously skullfuck yourselves.

[Xylus]

McD did the following in last year's off-season:

Traded:

Jared Dudley + 2nd round pick --> Eric Bledsoe :lol
Luis Scola --> Gerald Green + Miles Plumlee + 1st round pick :lol :lol
Marcin Gortat + Shannon Brown + Kendall Marshall --> Emeka Okafor's $14mil expiring + 1st round pick

Hired Jeff Hornacek as coach


So basically he inherited a 25-win team with one of the worst rosters in the NBA, flipped a bunch of non-stars into a couple of 1st round picks and Eric Bledsoe, hired a coach of the year candidate, and turned the Suns into a 48-win team in the Western conference. His moves put our rebuilding efforts about 3 years ahead of schedule.


This is clearly a lifetime achievement award for RC, but McDonough got straight robbed here. Pop over Hornacek is understandable, if debatable. This is the first award this postseason I feel like they got completely wrong.

[Mugen]

:lol Why are you so mad over this award? RC's been snubbed for this award for 10+ years....

Plus the league already gave Dragic his Most Improved Award so it's not like their season was completely ignored but at the end of the day, they still missed the playoffs.

If anything, I'd be mad at my GM for putting my team in a crappy position for a team in the NBA, not good enough for the playoffs and not crappy enough for a good lottery pick.

I'll be all for McDonough wining next season's award if the Suns can draft well and pick up an impact FA and they make a nice run next year, but I don't know if he should be lauded for having a mediocre year at best..

I've just never seen anybody be so mad over a GM of the year award tbh...:lol

[JMarkJohns]

It's bullshit. That's why.

Plain. Simple.

Anyone saying differently is an RCtard without wit or worth to any discussion.

[Mugen]

Let it go, JMark. I'm sorry the NBA hasn't jerked off the 9th seeded Phoenix Suns enough tbh :lol

[sammy]

It took them forever! About damn time! Congrats RC!

[DPG21920]

Every Spurs fan agrees RC didn't deserve it this year. We just disagree with your logic about how the Suns got jobbed.

[JMarkJohns]

Let it go, JMark. I'm sorry the NBA hasn't jerked off the 9th seeded Phoenix Suns enough tbh :lol

So there's a bell curve for deserving now?

He did jackshit for the award this year. His robbery achievement gifting is so goddamn full of stank taint. Hollow. Fucking. Win.

[DPG21920]

Kind of like a 48 win no playoff season? :lol

[JMarkJohns]

Every Spurs fan agrees RC didn't deserve it this year. We just disagree with your logic about how the Suns got jobbed.

Then who? Be someone and not a goddamn lapdog and bring something other than nothing to the discussion. Xy put it out there. McDonough swindled half the goddamn league and they fucked him for it.

[JMarkJohns]

Kind of like a 48 win no playoff season? :lol

Kind of like 6 last season, fucktard.

Only it wasn't ineptitude that robbed this time, but woefully complete RCtardedness.

[DPG21920]

I didn't remember you being this big of a dummy - this a new corny common internet fan shtick?

[JMarkJohns]

Funny, could say the same toward you.

[Mugen]

Agree w DPG, I don't remember you being this salty downstairs tbh.

:lol I don't think I've ever seen anybody get so mad over the Executive of the Year Award, especially if their argument is that their 48 win lottery team was robbed.

Weird schtick if it is, but I admire the gusto tbh...

[Mugen]

If the league were to create a Funnest Team Watching the Playoffs award in the next week and award it to the Suns, would that at least help mitigate some of this terrible injustice tbh?

[HI-FI]

always new, pointless arguments on ST.

[FromWayDowntown]

It's not like RC hasn't been jobbed in this category in the recent past; the year that he acquired Leonard, alone - for crissakes, Larry Bird, who (in retrospect) got fleeced in that deal won the award that year - should have netted him the award, but didn't.

So if not now, then when should Buford get the award he has so richly deserved for so long? I don't think there can really be any doubt that Buford has deserved this award for a number of years.

At some point, overcoming all of the obstacles that should prevent the Spurs from being competitive on a championship level in San Antonio (of all markets) for this long through the slow and steady process of building an organization deserves this type of recognition, even if it didn't occur as the result of a substantial turnaround or as the product of flashy moves.

[DPG21920]

always new, pointless arguments on ST.

*wasn't me*

[JMarkJohns]

If the league were to create a Funnest Team Watching the Playoffs award in the next week and award it to the Suns, would that at least help mitigate some of this terrible injustice tbh?

Go fuck your spurshole with RC thievin' award.

I'm not, nor have I ever been "that" Suns fan.

I've stated I get why Pops won over Hornacek.

This is bullshit, just as it was bullshit when RC lost previous.

The league can wipe all the bullshit from its ass with the ballots. That's about the only good they offer.

I admire the Spurs in many ways. But I'm gonna call bullshit bullshit and this was bullshit.

[DPG21920]

:lmao I can't wait until San Antonio wins "medical training staff of the year".

This gun b good.

[JMarkJohns]

It's not like RC hasn't been jobbed in this category in the recent past; the year that he acquired Leonard, alone - for crissakes, Larry Bird, who (in retrospect) got fleeced in that deal won the award that year - should have netted him the award, but didn't.

So if not now, then when should Buford get the award he has so richly deserved for so long? I don't think there can really be any doubt that Buford has deserved this award for a number of years.

Not in a year where he did almost nothing and others inherited goodman bottom-5 trainwrecks, put the train back together again, and if not for a 50-game injury derailment to a 20-5-5 starter, would have won the extra 2 games and been a 50-win playoff team.

If for no other reason, this season gave Hornacek and McDonough all the ammunition they needed to sell high to tank. And they didn't.

[Xylus]

DPG and Mugen, ignoring the argument by focusing on JMark's aggression.

Trolling instead of debating.

Bringin' the bads.

[Mugen]

Go fuck your spurshole with RC thievin' award.

I'm not, nor have I ever been "that" Suns fan.

I've stated I get why Pops won over Hornacek.

This is bullshit, just as it was bullshit when RC lost previous.

The league can wipe all the bullshit from its ass with the ballots. That's about the only good they offer.

I admire the Spurs in many ways. But I'm gonna call bullshit bullshit and this was bullshit.

You leave my Spurshole out of this.

[HI-FI]

:lmao I can't wait until San Antonio wins "medical training staff of the year".

This gun b good.
:rollin

[Mugen]

DPG and Mugen, ignoring the argument by focusing on JMark's aggression.

Trolling instead of debating.

Bringin' the bads.

:lol What's there to argue, Xy? RC won because of his body of work over the course of his career, nobody's arguing that.

I guess it sucks as a Suns fan but this isn't the US getting their gold medal taken away in '72 tbh.

[exstatic]

RC's been robbed probably 4-5 times. He usually gets F'd by some GM that makes a splashy FA signing, and then spends the next 4-5 years trying to dump the contract. :lol

I had a Toronto fan trying to convince me that Ujiri deserved the award for the second straight year for dumping bad contracts. I told him that over the years, NO GM has done better at a) not getting into bad contracts and b) getting out of them when he did. Over the years they dumped Rasho, Malik, and Richard fucking Jefferson. :lol

[DPG21920]

DPG and Mugen, ignoring the argument by focusing on JMark's aggression.

Trolling instead of debating.

Bringin' the bads.

Every Spurs fan has literally said RC didn't deserve it for this year. :lol I don't know what else you want us to do? Storm RC's house and take the award and then walk it to your front door?

[Aztecfan03]

DPG and Mugen, ignoring the argument by focusing on JMark's aggression.

Trolling instead of debating.

Bringin' the bads.

He is being an idiot. Even if McDonough might have been a better choice, no one really wants to discuss it with him.

[FromWayDowntown]

Suns fans acting like RC hipchecked a guy into the scorer's table and provoked dudes to leave the immediate vicinity of the bench resulting in the NBA imposing a playoff suspension that likely cost their team a series and a title.

Like that ever happened.

[Xylus]

:lol What's there to argue, Xy? RC won because of his body of work over the course of his career, nobody's arguing that.

I guess it sucks as a Suns fan but this isn't the US getting their gold medal taken away in '72 tbh.

I laid out why McD deserved the award. I agree with you guys that RC deserved the award in the past, but this seems like a very strange year to give it to him, since all he did was keep a Finals team intact.

Suns fans worship at the foot of McD. We wanted to see our fearless leader get his recognition.

[Xylus]

Suns fans acting like RC hipchecked a guy into the scorer's table and provoked dudes to leave the immediate vicinity of the bench resulting in the NBA imposing a playoff suspension that likely cost their team a series and a title.

Like that ever happened.

You're going after the wrong Suns fans, bruh. JMark and I know the Spurs were the better team in '07.

[DAF86]

Gonna be honest.

It's bullshit, and not even by a little.

The Suns were predicted to have 18-20 wins. Both Hornacek and McDonough are uniquely responsible for a team who exceeded expectation by 30 games by trading veterans, acquiring hungry bench players, and having a vision and blueprint for success.

I get Buford is overall deserving, and Pops is Pops, but you all suck for tipping a figurative cap to such a goddamn travesty. Awards have officially slutted up their integrity.

The Nets GM deserved it more than your guy.

[Mugen]

I laid out why McD deserved the award. I agree with you guys that RC deserved the award in the past, but this seems like a very strange year to give it to him, since all he did was keep a Finals team intact.

Suns fans worship at the foot of McD. We wanted to see our fearless leader get his recognition.

I don't think anybody in Spurstalk had a vote. Maybe rascal?

So don't take it out on us.....I already conceded to JMarks that the Suns should win the Funnest Non-Playoff Team award and he told me to put that award in my "spurshole" so I'm not sure what else I can do tbh :lol

[exstatic]

I laid out why McD deserved the award. I agree with you guys that RC deserved the award in the past, but this seems like a very strange year to give it to him, since all he did was keep a Finals team intact.

Suns fans worship at the foot of McD. We wanted to see our fearless leader get his recognition.

He will.

It was getting so late in the game, that I despaired of RC ever getting one. I think that the fact that the big FA signing of the summer was that putz Howard left the field wide open. Beli was also a better signing than people credit. He allowed Manu to rest and essentially play off him, instead of having to do ALL the playmaking and MOST of the scoring for the bench.

If it makes you feel any better, Bryan Colangelo has two of them. That in itself almost invalidates the award. :lol

[Mugen]

The Nets GM deserved it more than your guy.

Not sure if serious tbh...

[JMarkJohns]

The Nets GM deserved it more than your guy.

Hahahaha. Bullshit, and then some.

[JMarkJohns]

He is being an idiot. Even if McDonough might have been a better choice, no one really wants to discuss it with him.

Not being an idiot. Being accurate, even in a hyper trollish manner.

[DAF86]

Not sure if serious tbh...

Why not? He turned a shitty team into arguably the 2nd best team in the East.

[DAF86]

Hahahaha. Bullshit, and then some.

Yeah, I forgot the Nets missed the playoffs and the Suns are still playing.

[heyheymymy]

If anything, I'd be mad at my GM for putting my team in a crappy position for a team in the NBA, not good enough for the playoffs and not crappy enough for a good lottery pick.

.this is a good point actually

[Mugen]

Why not? He turned a shitty team into arguably the 2nd best team in the East.

They have a 190mil payroll and are about to be swept in the 2nd round....

Going from a team that lost in 7 in the first round last year to a team that gets swept in the 2nd round this year isn't much of an accomplishment.....

The 48 Win Phoenix Suns team would probably be 2nd or 3rd best team in the East tbh :lol

[JMarkJohns]

Suns fans acting like RC hipchecked a guy into the scorer's table and provoked dudes to leave the immediate vicinity of the bench resulting in the NBA imposing a playoff suspension that likely cost their team a series and a title.

Like that ever happened.

You want me to pull up the thread from that time where you lamented that you wished SpursFan was more like ME?!

I'm pissed. Its bullshit.

Don't become just another SpursFan reveling wrong for the sake of fandom. I'm right, even if trolling, and while I openly acknowledge Buford is worthy, he's not this year, not like others, especially McDonough.

[JMarkJohns]

this is a good point actually

It's bullshit. The point is to be competitive. He maximized every trade, and save for injury, conference affiliation, or playoff alignment, he'd have taken a bottom-5 team to top-11 in one offseason, while actually building a future, not sacrificing it. He constructed a team that finished 14 seeds better than the direct season prior. Not 14 wins. Seeds.

It's incredible.

[JMarkJohns]

Yeah, I forgot the Nets missed the playoffs and the Suns are still playing.

Does it taste like ass when you talk from spewing so much shit on this board?

[CitizenDwayne]

Congrats to RC. He was the most deserving candidate this year. Fuck the Suns! :toast

[DAF86]

They have a 190mil payroll and are about to be swept in the 2nd round....

Going from a team that lost in 7 in the first round last year to a team that gets swept in the 2nd round this year isn't much of an accomplishment.....

The 48 Win Phoenix Suns team would probably be 2nd or 3rd best team in the East tbh :lol

Still better than assambling a team that will navegate on mediocracy for quite some time.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

McD did the following in last year's off-season:

Traded:

Jared Dudley + 2nd round pick --> Eric Bledsoe :lol
Luis Scola --> Gerald Green + Miles Plumlee + 1st round pick :lol :lol
Marcin Gortat + Shannon Brown + Kendall Marshall --> Emeka Okafor's $14mil expiring + 1st round pick

Hired Jeff Hornacek as coach


So basically he inherited a 25-win team with one of the worst rosters in the NBA, flipped a bunch of non-stars into a couple of 1st round picks and Eric Bledsoe, hired a coach of the year candidate, and turned the Suns into a 48-win team in the Western conference. His moves put our rebuilding efforts about 3 years ahead of schedule.


This is clearly a lifetime achievement award for RC, but McDonough got straight robbed here. Pop over Hornacek is understandable, if debatable. This is the first award this postseason I feel like they got completely wrong.

All of that and you did not make the playoffs. Go ahead and overrate Plum and Bledsoe some more please. You really should act more like those first round picks aren't in the 20s. Scola, Gortat and Dudley at least made the playoffs.

Further, the awards are not determined on the basis of a single year. The effects that trades have take years to manifest. I do not think you could have evaluated the Leonard trade well the year it was made for example.

Quite frankly after those Nash MVPs several years ago I have to say that Sunfan whining about undeserved awards is hilarious. Now complain about Stoudemire et al being suspended for idiocy and how means the league hates the Suns and our day can be complete. Suns tear are delicious.

[DAF86]

Does it taste like ass when you talk from spewing so much shit on this board?

Are you really this butthurt over this? Damn, your life must suck. :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's bullshit. The point is to be competitive. He maximized every trade, and save for injury, conference affiliation, or playoff alignment, he'd have taken a bottom-5 team to top-11 in one offseason, while actually building a future, not sacrificing it. He constructed a team that finished 14 seeds better than the direct season prior. Not 14 wins. Seeds.

It's incredible.

Maximized. In each of those trades, the team you traded to made the postseason. You did not. You maximized a lottery pick.

[JMarkJohns]

I'm bored as shit. I'm administering back to back finals. My grading is caught up.

I like to kicks the anthill from time to time.

[JMarkJohns]

Maximized. In each of those trades, the team you traded to made the postseason. You did not. You maximized a lottery pick.

Hahaha. Thanks for playing. Every team, save for maybe Wizards, would undo the trades in a heartbeat.

[CitizenDwayne]

Ah...the old "go into a rage on a message board and then try to pass it off as trolling" trick. Nice.

[exstatic]

Still better than assambling a team that will navegate on mediocracy for quite some time.

Dude, they have 3 first round picks in the deepest draft since 2003.

[DAF86]

Dude, they have 3 first round picks in the deepest draft since 2003.

Get back to me in a couple of years.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Objective truth: Clippers, Pacers, and Wizards are all in their conference's semifinals. The Suns are a lottery team.

Typical Sunfan bullshit wishful thinking:


Hahaha. Thanks for playing. Every team, save for maybe Wizards, would undo the trades in a heartbeat.

You really think they would change the chemistry that has each of those teams in the second round? Uh-huh. . .

I get why you have to make shit up: what you know to be true is not very appealing.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dude, they have 3 first round picks in the deepest draft since 2003.

And each one of them are 22 or later. It is deep because even the Suns own lottery pick if slotted accordingly is a safe pick. That is not the same as finding sure starters at the end of the round.

[JMarkJohns]

Ah...the old "go into a rage on a message board and then try to pass it off as trolling" trick. Nice.

Stupid dumbass. I've stated many times I'm a professor on these boards.

Funny how my rage was delayed for like 10 hours huh.

I'm pissed. Yeah. It's bullshit. But had banter not started back, it have begun and ended with that first post. Everyone got Bufordhurt and I opted to pass the time.

It is bullshit, however. And everyone knows it.

[JMarkJohns]

Objective truth: Clippers, Pacers, and Wizards are all in their conference's semifinals. The Suns are a lottery team.

Typical Sunfan bullshit wishful thinking.



You really think they would change the chemistry that has each of those teams in the second round? Uh-huh. . .

I get why you have to make shit up: what you know to be true is not very appealing.

Keep playing.

[JMarkJohns]

And each one of them are 22 or later. It is deep because even the Suns own lottery pick if slotted accordingly is a safe pick. That is not the same as finding sure starters at the end of the round.

Wrong. But I'll let you figure out where.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Keep playing.

Sure. We both know you have lost the argument and that is why you have resorted to this tactic. As others have indicated, no one is buying it. What is disappointing is your lack of wit.

Suns are a lottery team and you are upset they didn't win postseason awards. You also probably think not having winners in youth athletics is a good idea.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wrong. But I'll let you figure out where.

I won't and we both know teams of other fans and many Sun fans will not either. You really suck at arguing and are about as compelling as a dirty toilet seat.

[JMarkJohns]

The Clippers don't even play Dudley, and have spent multiple attempts at signing vet scrubs to recoup what they lost in Butler. Ignore Bledsoe, and they probably still undo trade to get out from under Dudley's for Butler's expiring.

The Pacers desperately need spot-up shooting and active rebounding from a big, they would love to undo trading Green and Plumlee.

Keep trying.

[JMarkJohns]

I won't and we both know teams of other fans and many Sun fans will not either. You really suck at arguing and are about as compelling as a dirty toilet seat.

Hahahaha

[JMarkJohns]

Sure. We both know you have lost the argument and that is why you have resorted to this tactic. As others have indicated, no one is buying it. What is disappointing is your lack of wit.

Suns are a lottery team and you are upset they didn't win postseason awards. You also probably think not having winners in youth athletics is a good idea.

Since when is exec of the regular season a postseason award? You stupid shit...

[CitizenDwayne]

I'm pissed. Yeah. It's bullshit. But had banter not started back, it have begun and ended with that first post. Everyone got Bufordhurt and I opted to pass the time.

It is bullshit, however. And everyone knows it.

You're the one that seems butthurt here, bro. Not sure how "Yep, RC got this as a lifetime achievement" sounds butthurt.

It is interesting that you can't help but add in that last bit, though...

[JMarkJohns]

Because it's bullshit.

Yeah, as a Suns fan I believe McDonough was robbed to gift an already robbed GM an award which he is clearly generally deserving of, but not specifically deserving of this season.

But seriously. People stop engaging me, this will die.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Clippers don't even play Dudley, and have spent multiple attempts at signing vet scrubs to recoup what they lost in Butler. Ignore Bledsoe, and they probably still undo trade to get out from under Dudley's for Butler's expiring.

The Pacers desperately need spot-up shooting and active rebounding from a big, they would love to undo trading Green and Plumlee.

Keep trying.

Thanks for continuing to overrate Plum and Bledsoe. I never said they were terrible but they are not difference makers as the Suns did not even make the playoffs.

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings

What I especially liked was the 5-5 finish with the season on the line. Choke to miss the playoffs and you think that you should be rewarded. Typical suns fan.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Since when is exec of the regular season a postseason award? You stupid shit...

I misspoke. Oh well. You have a good point though. The Suns failed to qualify for the postseason.

[JMarkJohns]

Thanks for continuing to overrate Plum and Bledsoe. I never said they were terrible but they are not difference makers as the Suns did not even make the playoffs.

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings

What I especially liked was the 5-5 finish with the season on the line. Choke to miss the playoffs and you think that you should be rewarded. Typical suns fan.

Spurs choked a title away from Buford last year and he got rewarded the very next honoring ceremony. 'Splain, please....

[JMarkJohns]

Thanks for continuing to overrate Plum and Bledsoe. I never said they were terrible but they are not difference makers as the Suns did not even make the playoffs.

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings

What I especially liked was the 5-5 finish with the season on the line. Choke to miss the playoffs and you think that you should be rewarded. Typical suns fan.

I said ignoring Bledsoe, stupid shit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Spurs choked a title away from Buford last year and he got rewarded the very next honoring ceremony. 'Splain, please....

It is pretty sad that you cannot understand the difference between losing in the Finals and failing to make the playoffs.

ueZ6tvqhk8U

As Big Bird shows, such skills are taught to preschoolers and yet your abilities fall short, professor.

[Xylus]

All of that and you did not make the playoffs. Go ahead and overrate Plum and Bledsoe some more please. You really should act more like those first round picks aren't in the 20s. Scola, Gortat and Dudley at least made the playoffs.

Further, the awards are not determined on the basis of a single year. The effects that trades have take years to manifest. I do not think you could have evaluated the Leonard trade well the year it was made for example.

Quite frankly after those Nash MVPs several years ago I have to say that Sunfan whining about undeserved awards is hilarious. Now complain about Stoudemire et al being suspended for idiocy and how means the league hates the Suns and our day can be complete. Suns tear are delicious.

Don't think I'm whining about anything, just making the case for my boy McD. I think it shows a general lack of awareness among voters for this award that RC has never won this award before, and that he won it this year of all years.

[DPG21920]

I think drafting Len is what killed your GM..

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I said ignoring Bledsoe, stupid shit.

Aww, you need a tissue. If you are trying to make look stupid, you are doing a poor job of it.

5-5. Miss the playoffs.

I would not be happy either.

[DPG21920]

Also, I am going to be very interested to see how PHX does with late round draft picks (and their lottery pick). They had so many guys seemingly play above their heads. Let's see how those same players do next season and how they build/keep their team together. They really had an incredible season and were fun to watch. They played hard and if they draft well and develop players, they should be a playoff team soon.

But they have so many "what-ifs" that any regression from guys like Green/Morris's/Other Scrub and bad drafting could derail them fast.

[Xylus]

I think drafting Len is what killed your GM..

But he drafted Archie Goodwin, future hall-of-famer and GOAT. Move over, MJ.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Don't think I'm whining about anything, just making the case for my boy McD. I think it shows a general lack of awareness among voters for this award that RC has never won this award before, and that he won it this year of all years.

X. You are cool.

If you guys make the playoffs with a decent seed next year I imagine you guys will be a shoe in.

The other guys is just so frantic its hard not to fuck with him.

[Xylus]

Also, I am going to be very interested to see how PHX does with late round draft picks (and their lottery pick). They had so many guys seemingly play above their heads. Let's see how those same players do next season and how they build/keep their team together. They really had an incredible season and were fun to watch. They played hard and if they draft well and develop players, they should be a playoff team soon.

But they have so many "what-ifs" that any regression from guys like Green/Morris's/Other Scrub and bad drafting could derail them fast.

McD did a great job of establishing himself this year, and I feel like his efforts should have been rewarded above all others. But yeah, he needs to continue building on this foundation. Relying on guys like Gerald Green, Markieff Morris and PJ Tucker to get you into the playoffs isn't getting it done.

I think we've got the #14, #18, and #29 this year. Gotta draft wisely or package a few of those picks for a star player. Suns can't rest or feel like they've succeeded because they got 48 wins out of an overachieving roster.

[DPG21920]

JMark just had an aneurism or something. He's normally not like that from the limited posts I have read...He was fired up though *butt slap*

[Xylus]

JMark is just demonstrating to you who our favorite member of the team is.

[DPG21920]

McD did a great job of establishing himself this year, and I feel like his efforts should have been rewarded above all others. But yeah, he needs to continue building on this foundation. Relying on guys like Gerald Green, Markieff Morris and PJ Tucker to get you into the playoffs isn't getting it done.

I think we've got the #14, #18, and #29 this year. Gotta draft wisely or package a few of those picks for a star player. Suns can't rest or feel like they've succeeded because they got 48 wins out of an overachieving roster.

With a young core, you have to be very careful which FA's/Trades you do. There are a lot of Rudy Gay's out there. Trades very rarely seem to be the answer, especially for a main piece IMO. Drafting is key and is even more critical with this new CBA. But you are right - as was Fuzzy with regards to things like the Kawhi trade. These things have long tails that are hard to judge. That is why EOY is a tough one. Do you judge based on what "should have happened" or "thoughts at the time the moves were made"? Or do you look at results? Do you look at future potential of the moves this year? Do you look at what's truly best for a franchise (barely making playoffs vs complete rebuild)?

It's just tough.

[FromWayDowntown]

You want me to pull up the thread from that time where you lamented that you wished SpursFan was more like ME?!

I'm pissed. Its bullshit.

Don't become just another SpursFan reveling wrong for the sake of fandom. I'm right, even if trolling, and while I openly acknowledge Buford is worthy, he's not this year, not like others, especially McDonough.

I know that thread, too. I'm not saying that you bitched then and I admired your reasonableness then; for that reason, I guess I just don't really get your reaction to this. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but your anger at this seems odd.

At some point RC had to win this award, particularly given where the Spurs were in the spring of 2009, the spring of 2010, and the spring of 2011.

To have rebuilt that team, which seemed clearly on its last legs and long past the window for legitimate title contention, into the group that plays for the Spurs now is an incredible feat. It surely can't diminish the accomplishment that the moves that facilitated yet another remaking of the Spurs came slowly and without much fanfare. And at some point, that accomplishment and the nearly two decades of effort that have preceded it simply has to be rewarded if the award itself is to mean anything.

[DPG21920]

I have no problem with Suns fans outside of Culburn. Dragic has to be the favorite and it's not even close tbh...

[DPG21920]

I know that thread, too. I'm not saying that you bitched then and I admired your reasonableness then; for that reason, I guess I just don't really get your reaction to this. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but your anger at this seems odd.

At some point RC had to win this award, particularly given where the Spurs were in the spring of 2009, the spring of 2010, and the spring of 2011.

To have rebuilt that team, which seemed clearly on its last legs and long past the window for legitimate title contention, into the group that plays for the Spurs now is an incredible feat. It surely can't diminish the accomplishment that the moves that facilitated yet another remaking of the Spurs came slowly and without much fanfare. And at some point, that accomplishment and the nearly two decades of effort that have preceded it simply has to be rewarded if the award itself is to mean anything.

That's what I was alluding to in my original response to Jmark (the "projected" comments) in addition to my last explanation on what should be valued. Sometimes keeping guys (Manu/Tiago) and adding the right glue guys, plus having prior moves pay dividends (Kawhi) didn't just happen in one year but should still count in a year where you had the best record in the NBA despite massive injuries and resting guys (aka COY award as well).

[Xylus]

I think Suns fans in general are just sick of the Spurs taking things from us. :lol

[DPG21920]

You "took" Dragic. So that's something.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I know that thread, too. I'm not saying that you bitched then and I admired your reasonableness then; for that reason, I guess I just don't really get your reaction to this. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but your anger at this seems odd.

At some point RC had to win this award, particularly given where the Spurs were in the spring of 2009, the spring of 2010, and the spring of 2011.

To have rebuilt that team, which seemed clearly on its last legs and long past the window for legitimate title contention, into the group that plays for the Spurs now is an incredible feat. It surely can't diminish the accomplishment that the moves that facilitated yet another remaking of the Spurs came slowly and without much fanfare. And at some point, that accomplishment and the nearly two decades of effort that have preceded it simply has to be rewarded if the award itself is to mean anything.

Outside of signing the best player in the league, a team is not built in a year.

What was most impressive to me was the Dragic signing. I laughed at the Suns early in the year for targeting, paying and then hyping him to the extent they did. It is a clear sign that the Suns were ahead of the curve. Fleecing the Lakers was a nice touch.

The 5-5 finish outside the playoffs is the 500 lbs gorilla in the room. They have much to be commended for but people are not going to reward failure.

[heyheymymy]

It's bullshit. The point is to be competitive. He maximized every trade, and save for injury, conference affiliation, or playoff alignment, he'd have taken a bottom-5 team to top-11 in one offseason, while actually building a future, not sacrificing it. He constructed a team that finished 14 seeds better than the direct season prior. Not 14 wins. Seeds.

It's incredible.

don't get me wrong, you've got an argument there

[Mugen]

I think Suns fans in general are just sick of the Spurs taking things from us. :lol

Xy, the 2010 Sweep means we're squaresies tbh.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Congrats R.C. Well deserved and long overdue. :tu

It's kind of funny he'd win it this year though when he didn't really do anything (i.e. failed to execute any notable trades / sign any notable free agents from the buyout market) :lol

Is it funny? Sometimes the wisest move is to do nothing. Too many people, maybe not you, even though your laugh implies otherwise, confuse movement with action.

[JMarkJohns]

This thread was fun ...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This thread was fun ...

Suns fans do like losing it seems.

[JMarkJohns]

If I lost to anyone, it certainly wasn't you. Not at all. Not even close.

[ElNono]

lol the saltiness in this thread

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u274/JoeCool-23/salty.gif

[T Park]

And stumbled into 48 wins despite significant injury?

Don't be a head-in-the-sand RCtard.

It's a stolen, bullshit honor at the expense of the rightful rookie winner. Execs voted, sent a message. I'll send one, too.

Go simultaneously skullfuck yourselves.

I guess one gets pissed when all you have to root for is GM awards for the next 20 years

[JMarkJohns]

So original, T...

[T Park]

The guy that put the Nets toghether deserved it this year, tbh.

How does trading for bad contracts and signing players for money under the table equal GMOY?

[T Park]

So original, T...

So original the faux outrage from Phoenix. Was waiting for a rant including Donaghey stern and Horry as well.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If I lost to anyone, it certainly wasn't you. Not at all. Not even close.

You can bluster all you like but not even your fellow Suns fans have your back. You are all alone here on this one.

That and RC still won on the decision of his peers. How does our shit taste, loser?

[JMarkJohns]

Hahaha, you're an idiot.

Way to read this thread with blinders on.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hahaha, you're an idiot.

Way to read this thread with blinders on.

Blinders? It is obvious that you are now in damage control and tying to pass on your saltiness as trolling. What you are doing here is cliche as is what I am. You have taken to the salty bitch role admirably now that you have completely given up on the point you started out with. I'll keep giving you the rope to hang yourself with.

[Mugen]

:lol I'm with JMark now tbh. The sheer persistence has won me over tbh.

[JMarkJohns]

Blinders? It is obvious that you are now in damage control and tying to pass on your saltiness as trolling. What you are doing here is cliche as is what I am. You have taken to the salty bitch role admirably now that you have completely given up on the point you started out with. I'll keep giving you the rope to hang yourself with.

You think you're being oh so clever, but you suck at it.

[JMarkJohns]

:lol I'm with JMark now tbh. The sheer persistence has won me over tbh.

Sup...

I got fuzzy's goat and I'm giving it to Tlong!

[Mugen]

http://utahvalley360.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Rocky-Bolboa-IV.gif

[JMarkJohns]

So original the faux outrage from Phoenix. Was waiting for a rant including Donaghey stern and Horry as well.

You're officially the second SpursFan to bring it up and project upon. Complex much? Feeling guilty? Undeserving? Sorry? Nobody but y'all classholes slinging that 7-Year-Ish...

[Mugen]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1622326/rocky-iv-clap-o.gif

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://gifs.ozini.com/images/628.gif

You are a dancing machine. Dance, monkey, dance!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Subtle. I like it.

[JMarkJohns]

Editing a post = last resort.

Heard Tlong is doing baaaaaaad things to that goat of yers.

[JMarkJohns]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1622326/rocky-iv-clap-o.gif

If RC can get robbed, and McD can get robbed, then maybe we all got robbed?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Editing a post = last resort.

Heard Tlong is doing baaaaaaad things to that goat of yers.

I could have just said that you are our monkey but I felt that that way was both funnier and more efficient. I am all about efficiency after all.

Now you are namedropping someone else trolling me? Wow. You are melting down quite nicely, monkey.

[JMarkJohns]

I could have just said that you are our monkey but I felt that that way was both funnier and more efficient. I am all about efficiency after all.

Now you are namedropping someone else trolling me? Wow. You are melting down quite nicely, monkey.

I know you're all Brokeback and shit, but you really should quit me.

Desperation is a stinky cologne.

[Mugen]

If RC can get robbed, and McD can get robbed, then maybe we all got robbed?

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/951/983/rockyapollo_original.gif?1372930411

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I know you're all Brokeback and shit, but you really should quit me.

Desperation is a stinky cologne.

My team has the 2014 NBA Executive of the Year at the helm. You are on a Spurs message board complaining about how that is unfair and finding solace in the fact that you can get me to respond.

Keep dancing.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/951/983/rockyapollo_original.gif?1372930411

:lol

[JMarkJohns]

My team has the 2014 NBA Executive of the Year at the helm. You are on a Spurs message board complaining about how that is unfair and finding solace in the fact that you can get me to respond.

Keep dancing.

The irony of the bolded is as thick as Ivan Drago's accent.

If you cries, you cries...

[JMarkJohns]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/951/983/rockyapollo_original.gif?1372930411

No matter how Rocky, Suns are my Creed.

[spursfan1000]

Joke of a award tbh just because it took so long for him to get it

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I wonder how much his drunk driving arrest delayed this award.

[superbigtime]

Not sure if this is a make up award for the times RC couldve won it in the past. A 7 page thread on this though? And screw those ever-bitter Suns fans, lol.

[will_spurs]

In other news, and although it's not a deal that was signed in the last off-season, fans of other teams wonder how come the Spurs have a player as talented as Diaw on their roster for only $4.7m a year.

[ChumpDumper]

This map from the Morton's website really puts things into perspective for me.

http://www.mortonsalt.com/content/images/our-company-images/location-map.jpg?v=1.3

[Brazil]

I was like why in hell an executive of the year award went to 7 pages ? so out of curiosity I went through the thread even tho the topic is not that interesting... RC won this year more like a career achievement than for this year management... ok next.... then boom JMarkJohns (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1223) happened :lol wtf being so salty over a useless award in the long list of useless award...

I love ST :lol

[JMarkJohns]

You're welcome!

[Xylus]

:lol