Someone tell Ginobili he doesn't need to jack up shots

[apalisoc_9]

:bang

17 fga...wow

[RD2191]

Just terrible.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Parker took one more shot... and made one more shot.. :cry

[spursfan1000]

Manu was good today in my eyes without looking at the stats, he made shots when we needed it

[servalli]

:rolleyes

[ElNono]

At least two of those were with the shotclock running down... he also missed a couple going right at the basket... I thought overall he had a better game than Game 1...

[hater]

Manu was... bad

he is like a SPurstalk poster, sees Blazers make a few basket and come back in the game and all of a sudden he panics smh

[DMC]

Manu's shots were because he was given them. Otherwise he could drive or pass and maybe turn the ball over. So it's a turnover or a shot... I'll take the shot any time.

[spurspokesman]

Manu being manu

[ElNono]

Another game where he racks up high steals (3)... at least if he's gonna turn it over, good to see he's getting some of those back

[Uriel]

He was the one who made the game sealing assist to Kawhi on the 3-point dagger. He also hit a 3 at the top of the key on the next possession, just to put a little icing on the cake.

[mVp]

It wasn't that bad tbh... he played a lot better than game 1 imo.

[mercos]

If he's out there, he's got to shoot. When he doesn't have it, Pop shouldn't play him quite as much, especially with everyone else playing so well. I'm glad he got it going a bit towards the end, because we are going to need him playing at a high level going forward.

[DarrinS]

Manu was horrible

Tony was supreme

Sincerely,

Retard

[SnakeBoy]

Manu took mostly open shots, they didn't go down. It happens, we won, stop whining.

[DPG21920]

Another game where he racks up high steals (3)... at least if he's gonna turn it over, good to see he's getting some of those back

I'm sure that is what Pop was screaming in his face tbh..

[marinoman]

such a lack of appreciation by many on this forum

[Solid D]

I'm sure that is what Pop was screaming in his face tbh..

He was screaming at Ginobili to go over the screen, not under, on Batum's left wing tres.

[DPG21920]

He was screaming at Ginobili to go over the screen, not under, on Batum's left wing tres.

These are things we know..

[ElNono]

He was screaming at Ginobili to go over the screen, not under, on Batum's left wing tres.

yup

[Mugen]

#JustManuThings

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2745581/manuimpression.gif

[T Park]

I thought ginobili was pretty solid but, go ahead and be pissed about another blowout win.

[NRHector]

We need to appreciate this team and Manu because the rebuilding years are coming soon so stop the whining

[Clipper Nation]

The Client can't stop shooting, he has bonuses he needs to kick in, just ask ElNono :lol

[Sean Cagney]

Another game where he racks up high steals (3)... at least if he's gonna turn it over, good to see he's getting some of those back

Thats true.

[ElNono]

The Client can't stop shooting, he has bonuses he needs to kick in, just ask ElNono :lol

:lol

good luck against OKC, tbh

[Spur|n|Austin]

Manu was horrible

Tony was supreme

Sincerely,

Retard

[Kidd K]

We won huge. It doesn't matter. . .this time. Let's find less to bitch about when we're up 2-0 and are coming off 3 blowout wins guys.

[Solid D]

It's not like Manu was just awful. Yeah, to the OP's point, he jacked up & missed some shots. He made some unnecessary plays, but he tied for 2nd in scoring (with TP) for the Spurs in 27 minutes.

This was a nice team win with a stunning individual performance by Kawhi Leonard, the game 2 MVP. Nit-picking on Manu, tbh.

[DAF86]

Yeah, Manu is such a ballhog, he always takes a lot of shots.

[ElNono]

If Batum catches that pass off the penetration that ended up in the Kawhi dagger, this thread is likely 22 pages long right now :lol

[superbigtime]

Yes, he's so much more effective when he shoots less. Is this complaining for the sake of complaining?

[smaka]

Someone tell apalisoc_9 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11260) he doesn't need to create shitty threads for every single thing.

[Skull-1]

Another game where he racks up high steals (3)... at least if he's gonna turn it over, good to see he's getting some of those back


Well, on one he stole the ball and gave it back on a wild pass.

Why he cannot see that on a freebie like that setting the offense beats a wild cross-court pass is beyond me...

[romain.star]

:bang

17 fga...wow

who the fuck are you?

[kuato]

such a lack of appreciation by many on this forum

Not everybody knows what a team is, they just count if you put the ball in the basket or not.

[dg7md]

He threw up a ton of bad shots, yes, but a lot of the shots he took were pretty open. He just wasn't on with his shooting, usually he makes those looks.

Manu is way streaky, so we're lucky we managed to win how we did when he and Parker didn't really do very much. Our bench did what it does best, tbh.

Manu has always shown tendencies to heroball and brick it, it's when he goes to the paint and passes that he usually performs his best for us on the offensive side of things.

[will_spurs]

Another game where he racks up high steals (3)... at least if he's gonna turn it over, good to see he's getting some of those back



1:05
Wesley Matthews bad pass (Manu Ginobili steals)
49-65



1:01

49-65
Manu Ginobili bad pass (Nicolas Batum steals)






7:20
Nicolas Batum lost ball turnover (Manu Ginobili steals)
59-79



7:13

59-79
Manu Ginobili possession lost ball turnover



Steals aren't so useful when you immediately turn the ball over...

[Captivus]

I dont like Manu's TOs.
Regarding the shots he takes, some of them are bad, but many are because no one else wants to shoot.

[flacura]

If Batum catches that pass off the penetration that ended up in the Kawhi dagger, this thread is likely 22 pages long right now :lol

Do you think it was luck? No man, it was magic, talent, it was pure Manu

Everybody is always going to talk nonsense about Manu

I repeat, you will miss Manu, one of a kind player

[DarrinS]

Parker 1 of 8 for first half -- no big deal, because he is doing other things to help the team.

Please apply similar logic to Manu.


The biggest difference- maker in this game was Kawhi.

[Diego20]

Parker took one more shot... and made one more shot.. :cry

:cry:cry

[SpurAddict561]

When will these fools here realize we would've got bounced in 5-6 games by Dallas if it wasn't for Manu?

[doldrums]

1:05
Wesley Matthews bad pass (Manu Ginobili steals)
49-65


The possession lost


1:01

49-65
Manu Ginobili bad pass (Nicolas Batum steals)






7:20
Nicolas Batum lost ball turnover (Manu Ginobili steals)
59-79



7:13

59-79
Manu Ginobili possession lost ball turnover



Steals aren't so useful when you immediately turn the ball over...

The possession lost at 713 was when Parker dribbled off Manu's foot. Misleading turnover for Manu

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

The possession lost at 713 was when Parker dribbled off Manu's foot. Misleading turnover for Manu

Shh, don't let everyone know they don't watch the games.

[itsamanuthree]

Shh, don't let everyone know they don't watch the games.

LOL

This thread is retarded.

[itsamanuthree]

And that user Kidd hating on Manu as usual, but making it look like an unbiased take.

LOL, what a dushe...

[jARS mEsH sEt]

And that user Kidd hating on Manu as usual, but making it look like an unbiased take.

LOL, what a dushe...

You spelled douche incorrectly.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

1:05
Wesley Matthews bad pass (Manu Ginobili steals)
49-65



1:01

49-65
Manu Ginobili bad pass (Nicolas Batum steals)





7:20
Nicolas Batum lost ball turnover (Manu Ginobili steals)
59-79



7:13

59-79
Manu Ginobili possession lost ball turnover



Steals aren't so useful when you immediately turn the ball over...

:lmao

[sook]

is this dude the biggest bitch on this site? Unless Kawhi gets the ball 100 times he'll always find a reason to cry and moan.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lmao

Manu won't score 20 again.. :rollin

[sammy]

When will these fools here realize we would've got bounced in 5-6 games by Dallas if it wasn't for Manu?

i agree! All of the haters can't wait to bring up any mistake Manu makes but he is the heart and soul of this team! He was 2nd in scoring tonight and if it wasn't for his pass to Kawhi who made that 3 and then his 3 that nailed the dagger into the Blazers after they got it down to 8! There is nothing but haters! Parker was off tonight especially in the first half so the bench kept them in this game (Manu, Kawhi, Green, Belli, Patty, Splitter, Borist)! Shameful jackasses that don't appreciate Manu and you are right we wouldn't be in the semifinals if not for Manu in the Dallas series! I am so sick and tired of these haters! They should all be banned!

[Capster]

Manu won't score 20 again.. :rollin

You are just plain WRONG!
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[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

You are just plain WRONG!
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRFMDJSr5a_9AzXOutBzZcqBG6xe_SXX anH1Ut0iYy2aCV1vL_7

Jars is the one that made the thread :lmao

[Capster]

Jars is the one that made the thread :lmao

Yes, I know that! Any additional words of widsom???:sleep

[look_at_g_shred]

We won. Whats the problem? His performance obviously wasn't bad enough to lose the game.

[kaji157]

This is complaining just for the sake of complaining guys.

Manu was essential for us in the Dallas series taking a lot of shots and making them.

I don´t have a problem for him taking these amount of shots, we are playing at a high pace and there are a lot of shots to be taken, most of them seemed in rhythm or out of a broken play. I have no problem with neither. Is not that he was forcing things like game 1.

Too bad they called that offensive foul that could have been an and-1, was really great and at that point would have been devastating for Portland.

[smeagol]

:bang

17 fga...wow

It didn't take long for the asshole fans to come out of their holes . . . Why don't you go fuck yourself, you sorry ass, lame excuse of a Spurs Fan. I'm so fucking tired of people like you . . .

[smeagol]

The possession lost at 713 was when Parker dribbled off Manu's foot. Misleading turnover for Manu

Another imbecile exposed . . . Good job doldrums . . .

[cd021]

Manu was... bad

he is like a SPurstalk poster, sees Blazers make a few basket and come back in the game and all of a sudden he panics smh

7-18 FG, 2-4 3pt, 5 Rebs., 4 Assists, 3 Steals, +11, 16 pts. He had 4 turnovers (one of those should have been on Diaw throwing a terrible pass that neither Parker or Manu could handle.)

[cd021]

is this dude the biggest bitch on this site? Unless Kawhi gets the ball 100 times he'll always find a reason to cry and moan.
The Truth.

[sook]

It didn't take long for the asshole fans to come out of their holes . . . Why don't you go fuck yourself, you sorry ass, lame excuse of a Spurs Fan. I'm so fucking tired of people like you . . .

I just don't understand it...spurs win in a blowout fashion but this dude is fuming with Leonard's dick up his ass.

[ElNono]

1:05
Wesley Matthews bad pass (Manu Ginobili steals)
49-65



1:01

49-65
Manu Ginobili bad pass (Nicolas Batum steals)






7:20
Nicolas Batum lost ball turnover (Manu Ginobili steals)
59-79



7:13

59-79
Manu Ginobili possession lost ball turnover



Steals aren't so useful when you immediately turn the ball over...

That's the point... You rather have steal-TO, than just TO... preferably, you wouldn't want any TO, but turnovers are part of the game and going to happen.

[Brazil]

You rather have steal-TO, than just TO...

wow :lol dat take is quite huge if you think about it... damn

[ElNono]

wow :lol dat take is quite huge if you think about it... damn

it's just silly I have to spell it out :lol

[will_spurs]

The possession lost at 713 was when Parker dribbled off Manu's foot. Misleading turnover for Manu


Shh, don't let everyone know they don't watch the games.

Manu intercepted the inbound pass, drove to the rim and dribbled it off his own foot. But whatever you say to sound smart...

[Skull-1]

i agree! All of the haters can't wait to bring up any mistake Manu makes but he is the heart and soul of this team! He was 2nd in scoring tonight and if it wasn't for his pass to Kawhi who made that 3 and then his 3 that nailed the dagger into the Blazers after they got it down to 8! There is nothing but haters! Parker was off tonight especially in the first half so the bench kept them in this game (Manu, Kawhi, Green, Belli, Patty, Splitter, Borist)! Shameful jackasses that don't appreciate Manu and you are right we wouldn't be in the semifinals if not for Manu in the Dallas series! I am so sick and tired of these haters! They should all be banned!


So because the guy has heart we are supposed to give a pass when he makes monumental f-ups even a high school player knows to avoid?

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Skull-1]

That's the point... You rather have steal-TO, than just TO... preferably, you wouldn't want any TO, but turnovers are part of the game and going to happen.

With the new old Manu they sure are. Guy just can't play under control.


Get get a freebie (a great steal by Manu) and immediately toss it cross-court to the other team. Just stupid. Stupid stupid stupid. Treat it like an inbounds pass. I mean, do you regularly throw the ball halfway across and down the court on the inbound? No. So why do it on a steal when time after time you get intercepted?

Dumb dumb dumb. Lack of discipline and dumb. Sloppy play won't get us past Miami.

[Skull-1]

Manu intercepted the inbound pass, drove to the rim and dribbled it off his own foot. But whatever you say to sound smart...


And one. Screw these homers. They glug Ginobili's nuts because of what he used to be.

[xmas1997]

Idiots out there on this site! Manu, Tiago, Green, Tony, Tim, Belli, Mills, and Leonard are all doing great, as well as Pop.
If they weren't, the Spurs would have gone fishing long before now.
Just blind idiotic ignorant criticisms plus being bandwagon Spur fans IMHO.
Just watch the games for a change, quit wishing for those people to do badly, and stfu.

[will_spurs]

Just watch the games for a change, quit wishing for those people to do badly, and stfu.

Yeah right, shut the fuck up, that's exactly what people are supposed to be doing on a discussion board.

I'm glad Manu is having all those steals, I just wish he'd treat them as another full possession with 24 seconds to burn instead of fast-break opportunities.

[xmas1997]

Yeah right, shut the fuck up, that's exactly what people are supposed to be doing on a discussion board.

I'm glad Manu is having all those steals, I just wish he'd treat them as another full possession with 24 seconds to burn instead of fast-break opportunities.

I agree with what you say too.
Who I am referring to are those blind ignorant trolls on here who have certain easily recognizable agendas on this site against certain Spur personnel.

[heyheymymy]

yeah that was just about the worst good game ive ever seen a player play.

[doldrums]

Manu intercepted the inbound pass, drove to the rim and dribbled it off his own foot. But whatever you say to sound smart...

Good guess, but incorrect. Manu stole the ball, it ended up in Parker's hands as they both went for the loose ball. When Parker began to dribble, he dribbled it off of Manu's foot who was obviously close to him. Turnover credited to Manu sice it went off his foot, but it was PArker who dribbled it.

[ElNono]

In fairness, he's encouraged to play like that, it's largely how we built our 20pt lead in the 1st half in Game 2. Steal, (risky) pass to Beli, and1. Run in transition, (risky) pass to Boris, and1.

Then at the end, flop, penetration, (risky) pass to Kawhi, dagger from the corner. He's a high-risk, high-reward player. If you enjoy the successes, then you have to accept the mistakes.

We just become too predictable offensively otherwise. As Pop said, he makes stuff happen.

Not saying he doesn't make you feel like you're playing with a loaded weapon sometimes, but at this point you have to hope the successes outweigh the mistakes and move on.

[DPG21920]

So basically, in El Nono's theory, no one can ever play bad. It's just about what they are supposed to do and since there is a positive usually somewhere in the box score, it cancels out the negatives. It's just disingenuous at best.

I agree, I liked his aggression, but this is about results. It would be like saying a guy who's supposed to be a 3 point shooter (let's say Malcolm Thomas or Matt Bonner) does all the right work to get to his spots in the offense and just misses continually the open 3's. He won't stick.

Just because Manu has an assist, which is then negated by a TO, doesn't make that a good game. Under no circumstances, whether your are a "risk/reward" player or not, is a 1 to 1 assist to turn over ratio acceptable in any game. When you combine that with some poor shooting and misses (those two floater especially) which lead to tough transition opportunities for POR along with making defensive mistakes (Pop reaming him for going under) it adds to a bad game. That means for that game, the risk did not outweigh the reward. Arguing that it didn't matter because everyone else played well enough to mask it does not by default make it a good game for Manu. It makes it a well timed bad game.

I don't see what's wrong with admitting that. There is a difference in saying he played awful and you are concerned because of not only the results, but how he was playing vs saying he had a bad game but I am encouraged by some of the things I saw. But you already know all of that.

[will_spurs]

Good guess, but incorrect. Manu stole the ball, it ended up in Parker's hands as they both went for the loose ball. When Parker began to dribble, he dribbled it off of Manu's foot who was obviously close to him. Turnover credited to Manu sice it went off his foot, but it was PArker who dribbled it.

Yeah right...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PlAU_Wa2Rk

[doldrums]

ok I was thinking about 4th quarter turnover at 4:26. I stand corrected. Espn play by play coded "possession turnover" for that as well . Sometimes I watch a few minutes behind the action and view the play by play on line (less stressful that way) and when I saw Possession turnover for Manu I was looking to see a true turnover, but when I caught up to the play on tv, it was Parker dribbling off Manu's leg.

[will_spurs]

Yes there was also a turnover (maybe the same) when both Manu and Tony were running for the ball, collided, and the ball went OOB. Not sure who got that TO but it was just a stupid play.

[ElNono]

So basically, in El Nono's theory, no one can ever play bad. It's just about what they are supposed to do and since there is a positive usually somewhere in the box score, it cancels out the negatives. It's just disingenuous at best.

I don't expect anybody to agree with me, tbh.... but that's not true. I've called out Manu and other players on having weak games, when I felt they did. For example, I thought he played bad in his role as creator in Game 1 against Portland.

If players are doing what they're supposed to do, and we're missing shots, then I'm just not going to pin it on them. Just like I'm not going to pin it on certain players over one game or one series when it's clear the opponent is keying on shutting them down.

The Spurs have two creators in Tony and Manu that have carried the bulk of the assist load in the past 3+ seasons. They'll carry the heaviest burden because we're a team that thrives on high assists, so it makes sense that teams want to shut them down.

This is that time of the year where teams lock down on you, and so far I'm thrilled that, at one point or another, both have been able to come through for us.

[DPG21920]

Agreed & Manu overall has had a great playoffs. Was just talking about one game.

[ElNono]

Agreed & Manu overall has had a great playoffs. Was just talking about one game.

We're heading out for some ribs, do you want us to bring you something on the way back? beer? skittles?

[EVAY]

Well, whether or not this particular game was a stellar one for Manu, I didn't think he was as bad as some figured him to be. I agree with Nono that his game is now and always has been to create chaos (or at least unpredictability) on the court. There was a long time in the Duncan era when we were completely and utterly predictable on offense…i.e.,"bring the ball up the court, give the ball to Tim, everybody clear out of the side where Tim is and then let him back down the defender in the classic and totally predictable 'four down' play. So everybody in the basketball world considered us dull and boring, except when Manu went to work.

Not that Pop has always liked Manu doing what he does. I remember in the first season he was here, Manu came dribbling by Pop who was yelling at him to do whatever it was Pop wanted and Manu didn't, and Manu went right by him, still dribbling, holding up his hand palm-out toward Pop in the classic 'tell it to the hand' gesture. Pop was apoplectic and I was laughing my head off!

Manu makes Pop and all the rest of us nuts at times. And yet, we will all be diminished when he retires.

Doesn't mean this last game was a good one; it just wasn't all that bad for a Manu game, imo. Pop's quote sums it up "He's Manu Ginobili".

[littlecoyotecoin]

In fairness, he's encouraged to play like that, it's largely how we built our 20pt lead in the 1st half in Game 2. Steal, (risky) pass to Beli, and1. Run in transition, (risky) pass to Boris, and1.

Then at the end, flop, penetration, (risky) pass to Kawhi, dagger from the corner. He's a high-risk, high-reward player. If you enjoy the successes, then you have to accept the mistakes.

We just become too predictable offensively otherwise. As Pop said, he makes stuff happen.

Not saying he doesn't make you feel like you're playing with a loaded weapon sometimes, but at this point you have to hope the successes outweigh the mistakes and move on.

This. Nono, you are to logic and reason what DPG is to self-gloss.