Duncan: I have 2 more good years left.

[illusioNtEk]

A very good friend of mine who works at the airport has informed me his sighting of Tim Duncan before leaving to Portland yesterday, He asked Timmy while he was passing by how he felt and if this is the last year we would see him playing... Timmy then replied "I have 2 more good years left "

My friend wouldn't bs me.. I hope this is good news for you guys :)

[illusioNtEk]

When you think about it. why retire when your getting low min... good money and still schooling others in this league. If pop can continue to control his mins this is totally feasible!

[Malik Hairston]

Tim is known for confiding in random airport employees, tbh, so this must be accurate..

[RD2191]

Tim is known for confiding in random airport employees, tbh, so this must be accurate..

[Prime Time]

Leaving to Portland yesterday? dafuq, did Tim play in Rip City Saturday night, flew back to San Antonio, then went back to Portland the next day?

[illusioNtEk]

Leaving to Portland yesterday? dafuq, did Tim play in Rip City Saturday night, flew back to San Antonio, then went back to Portland the next day?

Good question, I asked him that and he said Timmy was alone and didn't see any other spur

[Captivus]

I just talked to Tim (via whatsapp) and he confirms story.

[SpursFan86]

Tim just commented on my Facebook profile pic and confirmed that not only does he have 2 more good years left, but he also just saved a bunch of money on his car insurance by switching to Geico.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

With Spurs recent success with him playing limited minutes in the regular season, I could see Duncan pulling a Kareem and playing til 40. He more than likely opts in this summer and Spurs sign him to a similar contract the following year. If that is the case, I wonder if Manu comes back after next year as well.

But, I am just taking things one step at a time and hope for a Spurs sweep tonight. The first team in the NBA to endorse gay players, having rip city on their jersey and having a new one torn by the Spurs right now. I don't see why this isn't the main headline over Sam getting drafted with the 2nd to last pick in the NFL.

[RD2191]

Just texted Tim. Story is true.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Why would Tim be at the airport?

[Beaverfuzz]

A very good friend of mine who works at the airport has informed me his sighting of Tim Duncan before leaving to Portland yesterday, He asked Timmy while he was passing by how he felt and if this is the last year we would see him playing... Timmy then replied "I have 2 more good years left "

My friend wouldn't bs me.. I hope this is good news for you guys :)

Why would Tim be leaving on a plane to Portland yesterday?

[Beaverfuzz]

Just texted Tim. Story is true.

I just got a myspace message from Tim and he says the rumor is true, it's damn true!

[lurker23]

I've been thinking about this topic a bit recently, and I think the bottom line is that no one really knows how much longer Tim will play (perhaps not even Tim himself).

With Manu, I'm 90% sure he'll retire at the end of his contract (after next season). He wears himself out quite a bit while playing, and his game is still slowly but surely declining.

With Tim, while he's not at his MVP peak, he's still playing at a very high level, and his style of play plus Pop's managing of minutes allows him to stay relatively refreshed. Not to mention that his weight loss has allowed even less wear and tear on his body. The bottom line with Tim is going to be, "At what level of contribution is he comfortable remaining in the NBA?" If he wants to be a top 2-3 player on a championship contender, he probably has another 1-3 years left. If he doesn't mind dropping to where David Robinson was in his final year (8.5 ppg, 7.9 rpg, plus solid defense in 26 mpg)? He could probably play another 5-10 years if he wanted to.

[Jimcs50]

I think he can play til he is 40, no doubt

[BillMc]

Tim just commented on my Facebook profile pic and confirmed that not only does he have 2 more good years left, but he also just saved a bunch of money on his car insurance by switching to Geico.
:lol

[RD2191]

I just got a myspace message from Tim and he says the rumor is true, it's damn true!

:toast

[Poolboy5623]

Based on tims help/weak side d, idk... doesn't look good.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I just sent Tim a pigeon from India and he replied back via the same bird to confirm the story. He thanked me for getting him on "Twitter" finally.

[spurspokesman]

2 more years while breaking a few more records along the way sounds about right.

[look_at_g_shred]

tl;dr

[Mugen]

Did he say anything about Amy?

[Brunodf]

Its true, confirmed via The Well

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Blazers in 6

:lmao

[SpursFan86]

Did he say anything about Amy?

I was walking on the beach and happened to come across a message in a bottle. Turns out it was a letter written from Tim. He said he is over Amy, and also mentioned something along the lines of "Vanessa's pussy is much tighter".

[RD2191]

:lmao

I picked Spurs in 5. Tbh. So did you get rid of the cats?

[PingPong]

Just look at Tiago's remaining time of contract and you will see the remaining career of Tim. Simple like that.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Your friend is BSing you. The entire Spurs team, including Duncan, was at the Nike facility yesterday in Beaverton Oregon. Multiple employees were excited to see them in the employee store.

[jag]

Manu recently confided in a Taco Cabana employee that he had a minimum of 4 years left (of playing at an elite level). After that, he will evaluate his retirement on a yearly basis.

I'm excited for the future.

[TE]

I picked Spurs in 5. Tbh. So did you get rid of the cats?
lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Mavs in 7

:lmao

[timtonymanu]

I picked Spurs in 5. Tbh. So did you get rid of the cats?

:lol sup rob.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Btw, I'm not editing these quotes. They are from the game threads :lol

If only I posted his meltdowns whenever the other team scores :lmao

[ElNono]

Manu recently confided in a Taco Cabana employee that he had a minimum of 4 years left (of playing at an elite level). After that, he will evaluate his retirement on a yearly basis.

I'm excited for the future.

YES!

[RD2191]

Didn't you pick the Panthers to win it all? Acting as if your sports takes aren't shit. :lol

[sook]

lies.

[RD2191]

:lol sup rob.
Not much, just chillin. :lol

[TE]

Didn't you pick the Panthers to win it all? Acting as if your sports takes aren't shit. :lol
Cum Newton gave that faggy fanbase false expectations. They can't and won't ever win with that loser. :lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Fuck we're done now. Mavs in 6.

^ after VC's buzzer beater :lmao

[RD2191]

Cum Newton gave that faggy fanbase false expectations. They can't and won't ever win with that loser. :lol
:lolTrue that. Just funny how he acts like most of his picks aren't shit. Dude gets constantly shit on in the NFL forum but acts like he's some sort of sports guru up here. And to be fair I predict the Spurs will lose every series, just the way I am. :lol

Have you been able to catch any games?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lolTrue that. Just funny how he acts like most of his picks aren't shit. Dude gets constantly shit on in the NFL forum but acts like he's some sort of sports guru up here. And to be fair I predict the Spurs will lose every series, just the way I am. :lol

Have you been able to catch any games?

:lol I picked Carolina to win the NFC South and they did.. In fact, I never said they would win it all. Try to find where I did.

:lmao Mavs in 6

[RD2191]

:lol I picked Carolina to win the NFC South and they did.. In fact, I never said they would win it all. Try to find where I did.

:lmao Mavs in 6
You do know that you're laughing by yourself, right? And like I said, I always pick against the Spurs. So not sure why you're acting like it's something new. The cats though? What happened?

[RD2191]

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i'm checkin out dudes... enjoy the game

[RD2191]

no lyfe is also a faggot, tbh

[FromWayDowntown]

When Tim and I mind-melded last week, it was apparent that he has successfully built a time machine and will start going back in time to retrieve his younger self from a season 15 years ago, bring his younger self into the future, then use a secret machine constructed in his Black Jack shop that will fuse the younger Tim's physical body with the older Tim's intellect. This process will continue for at least 10 more years, then he'll start the process over again.

So, good news -- Tim Duncan will actually play forever.

[TE]

Have you been able to catch any games?
You mean attend them? Nah, every Spurs home game is on a weekday. Sucks ass. I'll hopefully get a chance in the OKC series.

I've watched almost the entirety of every game...i find it hard posting and watching the game...shit gets too intense lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

You do know that you're laughing by yourself, right? And like I said, I always pick against the Spurs. So not sure why you're acting like it's something new. The cats though? What happened?

:rollin

[RD2191]

You mean attend them? Nah, every Spurs home game is on a weekday. Sucks ass. I'll hopefully get a chance in the OKC series.

I've watched almost the entirety of every game...i find it hard posting and watching the game...shit gets too intense lol
Naw, I meant catch them on TV. :lol And yes it does, especially with my meltdowns. :lol

[RD2191]

:rollin
???

[tmtcsc]

Tim just replied to me on Myspace and he said...quote, " Why the fuck are you still on Myspace ?".

[jARS mEsH sEt]

:lmao

Stupid, poor 21 year old babby college student :lmao

[RD2191]

Tim just replied to me on Myspace and he said...quote, " Why the fuck are you still on Myspace ?".
:lol

[TE]

Naw, I meant catch them on TV. :lol And yes it does, especially with my meltdowns. :lol
tbf I would meltdown if I posted more in the GT tbh.

Too many ups and downs.

[The Reckoning]

Tim was giving me advice on my 401k today at the local hedge shop in australia and told me the same thing. should be a great next couple of twilight years for the franchise.

[RD2191]

tbf I would meltdown if I posted more in the GT tbh.

Too many ups and downs.
I mostly do it to bait certain posters. They take the shit I say way too seriously and go on a rant about how I need to get the fuck out because I'm not a real fan. Works almost every time. :lol

[313]

I can confirm, I was Duncan

[.G.]

.

I always wonder what her ass smells like. I'm guessing a combination of Jasmine-laced fart and Chanel No. 5

[RD2191]

Lol @ your failed troll attempt. Must suck living in a shitty apartment with two cats. :lol

[Spur-Addict]

MEEEEEEEEEOWWWWWWW

[Malice]

Seems legit...

[RD2191]

MEEEEEEEEEOWWWWWWW

:lmao

[ducks]

he is so much better then kg but kg started right out of highschool

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I woke up with peanut butter in my butt


I woke up with the taste of peanut butter in my mouth

[Beaverfuzz]

Your friend is BSing you. The entire Spurs team, including Duncan, was at the Nike facility yesterday in Beaverton Oregon. Multiple employees were excited to see them in the employee store.

You sure Tim wasn't at the adidas factory store? Nevermind, I'll just use friendster to ask Tim.

[RD2191]

Weak:sleep

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Weak:sleep

:lol faggot that talks shit over the internet and tries to meet people to fight.
:lol takes e-net too serious
:lol lives at taco cabana

[RD2191]

:lol faggot that talks shit over the internet and tries to meet people to fight.
:lol takes e-net too serious
:lol lives at taco cabana
I'd shit on on you but you did that by yourself.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I'd shit in on you but you did that by yourself.

:lol I bet you could eating all those taco's like them big ol women from SA

[RD2191]

:lol I bet you could eating all those taco's like them big ol women from SA
:sleep

[Spur-Addict]

:cry

[The Reckoning]

http://youtu.be/mXPeLctgvQI

[RD2191]

^classic imo

[Capster]

Tim is known for confiding in random airport employees, tbh, so this must be accurate..

LMAO........!!! Possibly it was a weak moment??? Ya just have to love the guy.....he just keeps doin it!
http://i.imgur.com/2PSPjT2.jpg

[hater]

Lets ask ElNono. According to him, Manu discusses his family matters with him :lmao :lmao

[Kawhi]

Cum Newton gave that faggy fanbase false expectations. They can't and won't ever win with that loser. :lol:lol this is true

[Capster]

I mostly do it to bait certain posters. They take the shit I say way too seriously and go on a rant about how I need to get the fuck out because I'm not a real fan. Works almost every time. :lol

You called me a faggot a couple times yesterday and I see you calling posters faggot today. Wish you could broaden your vocabulary!!! LMAO!!!!

[RD2191]

You called me a faggot a couple times yesterday and I see you calling posters faggot today. Wish you could broaden your vocabulary!!! LMAO!!!!

Shutup, homosexual.

[ElNono]

Lets ask ElNono.

I wouldn't know anything about Timmy, tbh... one of the few Spurs I don't even have an autograph of...

Manu did tell me he's going to take it year by year... even though he signed a two year deal... He had a solid year, but if they win it all, I suppose anything can happen.

Peeps don't have to believe a word I say though... makes no difference to me...

[dbreiden83080]

Tim told my buddy at the drive up window at Burger King to get the fucking Mayo off his whopper..

[Capster]

WOW!!! I have NEVER seen Pop smile before!!!!


http://www.gazettenet.com/csp/mediapool/sites/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=3wnQL vG7Pu8Bpv$yRz0z2M$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYvD_81lswfSwua LXNS6Y8wFWCsjLu883Ygn4B49Lvm9bPe2QeMKQdVeZmXF$9l$4 uCZ8QDXhaHEp3rvzXRJFdy0KqPHLoMevcTLo3h8xh70Y6N_U_C ryOsw6FTOdKL_jpQ-&CONTENTTYPE=image/jpeg

[DJR210]

:lol iLLUSioNteK thread

iLLUSioNteK, is it ok if I don't credit you when sharing this story with all my friends?

[DJR210]

Lets ask ElNono. According to him, Manu discusses his family matters with him :lmao :lmao

He shows up 3 hours before shoot around with his Argentina flag, what do you expect?

[RD2191]

:lol

[Biernutz]

AOL Sports is carrying the story about Tim's 3 more years

[DJR210]

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/Cat-newton_zps52a1c348.jpg

[spurs1990]

Perfect timing for the upcoming three-peat

[ElNono]

:lol iLLUSioNteK thread

iLLUSioNteK, is it ok if I don't credit you when sharing this story with all my friends?

not familiar with his work, tbh... something we need to be aware of? :lol

[DJR210]

not familiar with his work, tbh... something we need to be aware of? :lol

He's got like 10 threads iirc, shouldn't take long to get caught up. There's been several acts of brilliance in the tech forum for sure.

His signature thread was his sales pitch for Time Warner Cable thread, and when someone called it out for sounding like a weak sales pitch, he admitted he is a sales rep at a TWC call center.

[ElNono]

He's got like 10 threads iirc, shouldn't take long to get caught up. There's been several acts of brilliance in the tech forum for sure.

I'll check it out... thanks

[ohmwrecker]

Don't know what's worse . . . OP, or every single response that has followed.

[DJR210]

I'll check it out... thanks

Edited my post above..

[ElNono]

Edited my post above..

oh, THAT guy :lol

[RD2191]

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/Cat-newton_zps52a1c348.jpg
:lmao

[TE]

Don't know what's worse . . . OP, or every single response that has followed.
You, tbh.

[ohmwrecker]

That wasn't one of the options, shitbird.

[DJR210]

oh, THAT guy :lol

Yup. THAT guy.

Mr., "Buy a 107 dollar Dell Optiplex and slap on a 7770 and you have a cutting edge gaming PC"

[Mugen]

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/12gs210/Cat-newton_zps52a1c348.jpg

:lol

[TE]

You walked into it.

[ohmwrecker]

Yeah, that was a brilliant burn, dude. Who are you?

[TE]

It didn't take much. You're not allowed to just enter a thread and talk shit about responses from the OP or the people that've posted in the thread. Get over yourself.

[TheRemix]

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/GiggityGoo770/Pawn-Stars-I-think-this-is-a-cool-story-bro-but-let-me-call-my-buddy-whos-an-expert-on-cool-stories.jpg

[ohmwrecker]

It didn't take much. You're not allowed to just enter a thread and talk shit about responses from the OP or the people that've posted in the thread. Get over yourself.

I'm not? Is that a rule? Am I the first poster ever to violate this rule? Could you provide a link to the rules for the site, so I can be careful to not violate one again?

[ElNono]

I'm afraid that if we close this shit today, it's gonna be a long 7 days, tbh... :lol

[TE]

I'm not? Is that a rule? Am I the first poster ever to violate this rule? Could you provide a link to the rules for the site, so I can be careful to not violate one again?
So you're saying you can just enter a thread and claim it sucks without stating why? I mean if you were a poster of merit, I wouldn't question you. But that's not the case, like I said get over yourself. Go post on SpursReport if Spurstalk is too :cry shitty for you :cry. I've never seen you post on this site, probably for good reason. You're probably a shitty poster who spams threads with random throwaway scroll over takes. I'd like you to prove me wrong since you apparently are above everybody else.

[ohmwrecker]

OK, what do you wanna talk about?

[jag]

Yeah, that was a brilliant burn, dude. Who are you?



That wasn't one of the options, shitbird.

Speaking of brilliant burns...

[ohmwrecker]

I'm trying to bring shitbird back, _JaG_OfF.

[jag]

I'm trying to bring shitbird back, _JaG_OfF.

Looks like you're also trying to bring brilliant burns back.

[ohmwrecker]

I'm trying, but it's hard.

[Knoxxx]

This is one of those annoying drive by posts without reading the entire thread. Acknowledging that allows me to refrain from apologizing if this has been already been posted:

Obviously Duncan will be back next year since Parker and Manu are signed as well. I did read the part early on where someone said not even Duncan knows whether it will be two years. I can verify that is correct, because it is common sense.

[Big Empty]

It would be nice if Duncan can squeeze out 2 more years. I cant see him slowing down much more in the next two more years than he already is so barring injury he could still make a difference in the middle. I still remember that old ass 40 year old center Kevin Willis still kicking ass at 40 lol I guess im not ready to think about the day our big three are gone.

[007nites]

Tim can play till he is 45

[cd021]

I just sent Tim a pigeon from India and he replied back via the same bird to confirm the story. He thanked me for getting him on "Twitter" finally.
:lmao That might be the best one

[illusioNtEk]

Yup. THAT guy.

Mr., "Buy a 107 dollar Dell Optiplex and slap on a 7770 and you have a cutting edge gaming PC"


lol dumbass, you think an Intel E8400 is a weak CPU? why don't you youtube some videos on that CPU along with a HD 7750 and see how good it runs... I'v never claimed that to be a super gaming rig dumbass. OP wanted a low cost solution.

Why don't you just stfu dumb ass mexican... I don't see you making good quality threads at all... just trolling

[illusioNtEk]

sooo what if Timmy dont retire next year?? will he take a even more paycut? dude is still dominating

[TXstbobcat]

If Tim decides to play another season after this I could see the Spurs agreeing at $10 million for next season.

[jimbo]

Yup. THAT guy.

Mr., "Buy a 107 dollar Dell Optiplex and slap on a 7770 and you have a cutting edge gaming PC"

I actually did this 7-8 years ago and it worked well enough. Bought one of those older Dell computers w/ a 3.0 Ghz P4 and 4GB of RAM. Slapped a 7600GT in it, the case wouldn't even close with it on. Worked just fine. A great $120 dollar "gaming" computer.

[Brunodf]

TD game isn't getting any worse, if Timmy can stay healthy he could play at high level( solid 12/8 game) until he is 45 tbh, but i hope he doesn't play that much...

[Spurs 4 The Win]

To be honest, with how shitty the league looks, Tim could contend for another 5 years if he wants. Its really up to him

[Richie]

If Tim and/or Manu decides to play on another season, Pop and RC should start the conversation like this:

"Look guys, you've both got blank cheques for your service to the franchise. However we have these free agent targets (Marc Gasol, Aldridge etc...) that we're looking at. You are our priority and if either of you wants another sizeable contract then you'll get it, but if we can land one of these star guys, we'll need the cap room for a max deal. So here's the options...

A) We get Gasol/Aldridge/whoever, re-sign Green and Timmy/Manu split the room exception and a minimum deal.
B) We get Gasol/Aldridge/whoever, let Green walk, pay Timmy a $7m(ish) deal and give Manu the Room exception.
C) We don't bring in a free agent, re-sign Green and Timmy/Manu get another year on similar size contracts or more.

Let them make the decision.

[exstatic]

If Tim and/or Manu decides to play on another season, Pop and RC should start the conversation like this:

"Look guys, you've both got blank cheques for your service to the franchise. However we have these free agent targets (Marc Gasol, Aldridge etc...) that we're looking at. You are our priority and if either of you wants another sizeable contract then you'll get it, but if we can land one of these star guys, we'll need the cap room for a max deal. So here's the options...

A) We get Gasol/Aldridge/whoever, re-sign Green and Timmy/Manu split the room exception and a minimum deal.
B) We get Gasol/Aldridge/whoever, let Green walk, pay Timmy a $7m(ish) deal and give Manu the Room exception.
C) We don't bring in a free agent, re-sign Green and Timmy/Manu get another year on similar size contracts or more.

Let them make the decision.

If Tim and Manu return, you punt next summer, pay Kawhi, and move the "window" to 2017.

The problem with your scenario is what is known as a cap hold. You would have to sign Tim and Manu FIRST before even shopping to reduce their cap figure from the hold amount to whatever salary they get.

[Richie]

If Tim and Manu return, you punt next summer, pay Kawhi, and move the "window" to 2017.

The problem with your scenario is what is known as a cap hold. You would have to sign Tim and Manu FIRST before even shopping to reduce their cap figure from the hold amount to whatever salary they get.

Not so. The whole point is to come to an arrangement with Tim/Manu, get their blessing for what they are happy with and go from there. Their cap holds don't matter because if they are willing to take the Room Exception/Minimum we don't need their Bird Rights so we waive their cap holds.

In fact, regardless of what happens in each of the three scenarios I presented we can waive their cap holds. We'll either have the cap space to bring them back or exceptions after signing a free agent if they are willing to take the tiny exceptions. Again, signing them to cheap exceptions would only be done with their blessing.

The main stumbling block is actually Danny. Let's say Timmy/Manu were unwilling to take the Room Exception and Minimum respectively ($2.5m/$1.5m) but Manu was willing to take the Room and Timmy wanted $7m-ish. We would be left with a decision to either chase a max free agent or bring back Danny and chase a mid-tier player with around $10m in cap. I see no reason why Danny would be willing to wait around as a free agent unless he got a cast iron guarantee he would be re-signed, which would be impossible if we wanted Gasol. Therefore we'd have to choose between chasing a big name or bringing back Green.

To bring back the same group AND add a max guy would require Tim/Manu taking tiny deals for their final year, perhaps unlikely but that's why you ensure you speak to them first and get an agreement on how little they'd be willing to play for. If $2.5m and the minimum is too little, which is absolutely might be, we choose between chasing a free agent and possibly losing Green.

[SnakeBoy]

I think it's true. A barista at Starbucks told me Tim came in and he asked him how much longer he would play. Tim said "I shouldn't say but I'll have TWO venti skinny strawberries and cream Frappuccino's".

[exstatic]

Not so. The whole point is to come to an arrangement with Tim/Manu, get their blessing for what they are happy with and go from there. Their cap holds don't matter because if they are willing to take the Room Exception/Minimum we don't need their Bird Rights so we waive their cap holds.

In fact, regardless of what happens in each of the three scenarios I presented we can waive their cap holds. We'll either have the cap space to bring them back or exceptions after signing a free agent if they are willing to take the tiny exceptions. Again, signing them to cheap exceptions would only be done with their blessing.

The main stumbling block is actually Danny. Let's say Timmy/Manu were unwilling to take the Room Exception and Minimum respectively ($2.5m/$1.5m) but Manu was willing to take the Room and Timmy wanted $7m-ish. We would be left with a decision to either chase a max free agent or bring back Danny and chase a mid-tier player with around $10m in cap. I see no reason why Danny would be willing to wait around as a free agent unless he got a cast iron guarantee he would be re-signed, which would be impossible if we wanted Gasol. Therefore we'd have to choose between chasing a big name or bringing back Green.

To bring back the same group AND add a max guy would require Tim/Manu taking tiny deals for their final year, perhaps unlikely but that's why you ensure you speak to them first and get an agreement on how little they'd be willing to play for. If $2.5m and the minimum is too little, which is absolutely might be, we choose between chasing a free agent and possibly losing Green.

I think room exception/minimum is a pipe dream, and frankly insulting. After DRob in 2001, who threatened to sign an MLE deal with the NYK after such a proposal, I think it would even be a non-starter with the Spurs themselves.

[Spursfanfromafar]

If TD/Manu decide to come back for one more year... you pay them for what they are worth. Period. TD is still among the big men elite, while Manu is still great for the Spurs system. If they can come back for collectively less than $10 million it would be a fair number (although still less than their performance value).

[cd021]

Not so. The whole point is to come to an arrangement with Tim/Manu, get their blessing for what they are happy with and go from there. Their cap holds don't matter because if they are willing to take the Room Exception/Minimum we don't need their Bird Rights so we waive their cap holds.

In fact, regardless of what happens in each of the three scenarios I presented we can waive their cap holds. We'll either have the cap space to bring them back or exceptions after signing a free agent if they are willing to take the tiny exceptions. Again, signing them to cheap exceptions would only be done with their blessing.

The main stumbling block is actually Danny. Let's say Timmy/Manu were unwilling to take the Room Exception and Minimum respectively ($2.5m/$1.5m) but Manu was willing to take the Room and Timmy wanted $7m-ish. We would be left with a decision to either chase a max free agent or bring back Danny and chase a mid-tier player with around $10m in cap. I see no reason why Danny would be willing to wait around as a free agent unless he got a cast iron guarantee he would be re-signed, which would be impossible if we wanted Gasol. Therefore we'd have to choose between chasing a big name or bringing back Green.

To bring back the same group AND add a max guy would require Tim/Manu taking tiny deals for their final year, perhaps unlikely but that's why you ensure you speak to them first and get an agreement on how little they'd be willing to play for. If $2.5m and the minimum is too little, which is absolutely might be, we choose between chasing a free agent and possibly losing Green.

I'm pretty sure the room exception is for teams who are under the cap for a full season. For example the Rockets ( or it may have been the Mavs) used the room exception this past off season. The Spurs have the MLE and LLE to work with if they don't use the cap space. We can bring over LJC without using either and if he's ready bring over Bertans using the LLE.

I really don't see how the Spurs can get to a $20 million dollar cap slot without gutting the team (9 free agents with only KL & Green returning). I think the Spurs would be better off focusing on someone like Paul Milsap who should be closer to the $ 12 million range. If they use Green and Leonard cap hold, bring over LJC then they would have around $62.5 million to 9 players & 10 players if they use their 1st rounder for $62.7 million.

If the cap jumps to $70 million next season, then they could have around $7.3 million remaining if they renounce the other 7 FAs (assuming Duncan and Manu retires) maybe some one like Demarre Carol as a combo forward. There are a ton of PF-Cs (roughly 20 currently projected to go in the first round) in the draft I'll assume that if they take someone it would be a big and that he would be available to play next season. The Spurs would need a backup 2 guard Belinelli could be a candidate to return to fill that spot.

Parker-Mills
Green-Belinelli
Leonard-Carrol-Anderson
Milsap-Diaw-Carol-LJC
Splitter-1st Rounder/FA

Alot of guess work but that would be another route. Go after a player below the max and try to fill out the roster with the extra cap.

[Richie]

I think room exception/minimum is a pipe dream, and frankly insulting. After DRob in 2001, who threatened to sign an MLE deal with the NYK after such a proposal, I think it would even be a non-starter with the Spurs themselves.
Pipe dream is a little strong, but I agree it's unlikely. However you can at least float the idea, if either one turns it down then you move on and work on other options. They are grown men, they won't get their feelings hurt just by giving them the option.

[exstatic]

Pipe dream is a little strong, but I agree it's unlikely. However you can at least float the idea, if either one turns it down then you move on and work on other options. They are grown men, they won't get their feelings hurt just by giving them the option.

David Robinson, the ultimate company man, got his feelings hurt in just that way.

I think you have Tim and Manu at about all the discount you're going to get.

[cd021]

If TD/Manu decide to come back for one more year... you pay them for what they are worth. Period. TD is still among the big men elite, while Manu is still great for the Spurs system. If they can come back for collectively less than $10 million it would be a fair number (although still less than their performance value).

That would be a good price for both and would allow the Spurs to have $6-10 million in cap if they renounce everyone save for Green and Leonard. Or they could keep Cojo (maybe try to flip Mills or Cojo next season or even attempt to play them together as the backup 1 & 2). The could also use the MLE and LLE along with bringing over Livio

[Richie]

I'm pretty sure the room exception is for teams who are under the cap for a full season. For example the Rockets ( or it may have been the Mavs) used the room exception this past off season. The Spurs have the MLE and LLE to work with if they don't use the cap space. We can bring over LJC without using either and if he's ready bring over Bertans using the LLE.

The Room exception is what you get when you renounce all your other exceptions in order to use cap space.


I really don't see how the Spurs can get to a $20 million dollar cap slot without gutting the team (9 free agents with only KL & Green returning). I think the Spurs would be better off focusing on someone like Paul Milsap who should be closer to the $ 12 million range. If they use Green and Leonard cap hold, bring over LJC then they would have around $62.5 million to 9 players & 10 players if they use their 1st rounder for $62.7 million.

If the cap jumps to $70 million next season, then they could have around $7.3 million remaining if they renounce the other 7 FAs (assuming Duncan and Manu retires) maybe some one like Demarre Carol as a combo forward. There are a ton of PF-Cs (roughly 20 currently projected to go in the first round) in the draft I'll assume that if they take someone it would be a big and that he would be available to play next season. The Spurs would need a backup 2 guard Belinelli could be a candidate to return to fill that spot.

I don't think you've got your maths right. Everyone with a guaranteed contract coming back, plus Kawhi and Green cap holds (assuming Timmy and Manu retire) put us at $49m. Even if we include Jean-Charles and another mid 20s draft pick, that we'd only be around $51m with 9 players. Include a couple of roster spot holds and a $70m cap we're looking at $18m in cap room, enough to offer a free agent an $80m/4yr deal.

Remember Gasol will only be an 8 year pro so he only qualifies for the 30% max rather than 35% which will be around $20m (it's actually slightly less than 30% of the cap figure).

[exstatic]

That would be a good price for both and would allow the Spurs to have $6-10 million in cap if they renounce everyone save for Green and Leonard. Or they could keep Cojo (maybe try to flip Mills or Cojo next season or even attempt to play them together as the backup 1 & 2). The could also use the MLE and LLE along with bringing over Livio

You lose the MLE and LLE if you go 6-10M under the cap. You might as well not even do it, bring most of the band back, use the MLE and punt until 2017.

[Richie]

David Robinson, the ultimate company man, got his feelings hurt in just that way.

I think you have Tim and Manu at about all the discount you're going to get.

Pretty sure he got over it and besides, he was 36 at the time. Timmy and Manu will be 39 and 38 respectively. At the time he had also earnt $10m less than Manu has currently and $137m less than Duncan has.

If by merely suggesting it, alongside a commitment for a blank cheque if they so choose, is enough for them to throw their toys out of the pram then they need to grow up.

[BillMc]

Watching Timmy, he is playing well and the team is successful. I really see no reason for him to want to retire other than if he is somehow bored of the game or wants more time with his kids. He really could play 2 more years....

[cd021]

You lose the MLE and LLE if you go 6-10M under the cap. You might as well not even do it, bring most of the band back, use the MLE and punt until 2017.

I know, I worded that wrong. We could keep Cojo and still use both exceptions or keep Cojo and have some cap space remaining.

[cjw]

The only way I see them signing at a very low contract would be if they win the title this year and want the best chance at a three-peat. Better chance of both hanging it up though and going out on top with a title though.

Luckily free agency allows for some time to maneuver with your own guys before open season for the other 29 teams begins on them. They could have everything done well in advance of Leonard receiving an offer sheet (if he even were to seek one out).

[cd021]

The Room exception is what you get when you renounce all your other exceptions in order to use cap space.



I don't think you've got your maths right. Everyone with a guaranteed contract coming back, plus Kawhi and Green cap holds (assuming Timmy and Manu retire) put us at $49m. Even if we include Jean-Charles and another mid 20s draft pick, that we'd only be around $51m with 9 players. Include a couple of roster spot holds and a $70m cap we're looking at $18m in cap room, enough to offer a free agent an $80m/4yr deal.

Remember Gasol will only be an 8 year pro so he only qualifies for the 30% max rather than 35% which will be around $20m (it's actually slightly less than 30% of the cap figure).

I didn't know that about the room exception, I stand corrected.

My math matches yours. Kawhi +Green + LJC +1st rounder would equal roughly $16.7 million (going off cap holds for Green and KL)


T.P, Splitter, Anderson, Mills and Diaw at $33.6 ( it varies slightly from various sites)

=$50.3

Assuming both Duncan and Manu retire and the Spurs renounce everyone else.

a max offer to L.A or Gasol would push us to almost $70 million. I didn't say we couldn't but it would hurt our depth and our bench wouldn't be particularly good. Diaw, Mills and Anderson are the only known in that situation. If the cap jumps to $70 million the luxury tax should be around $84 million (a guess) add in the other $9 million of Kawhi's salary and that would push our salary up to $79 million with at least 4 roster spots to fill.

I think that targeting Milsap would be a more realistic goal and allow us to field a more balanced team similar to our team now, granted it may not quite have the ceiling the other team would have. The Spurs would have more money to work with going forward in 2016 when the cap could jump to $78 million. We would have our rotation under contract with more money to spend.

[Richie]

a max offer to L.A or Gasol would push us to almost $70 million. I didn't say we couldn't but it would hurt our depth and our bench wouldn't be particularly good. Diaw, Mills and Anderson are the only known in that situation. If the cap jumps to $70 million the luxury tax should be around $84 million (a guess) add in the other $9 million of Kawhi's salary and that would push our salary up to $79 million with at least 4 roster spots to fill.

I think that targeting Milsap would be a more realistic goal and allow us to field a more balanced team similar to our team now, granted it may not quite have the ceiling the other team would have. The Spurs would have more money to work with going forward in 2016 when the cap could jump to $78 million. We would have our rotation under contract with more money to spend.

You might be right about bench depth, but I think Millsap will be getting offers above $12m after his all-star berth last year AND he isn't the defender we need to try and fill Duncans considerable void. If we miss out on Gasol or Aldridge, I'd rather not commit any money for more than 1 year and roll over our cap to the excellent 2016 class. I'd consider overpaying Stoudemire for a single year, say $10m-$12m, who will give us something extra but not tie up cap room long term.

Also, of the bench guys we'd be losing, the only ones who really matter are Joseph and Belinelli. There's a chance we could bring Marco back with the Room exception, but Joseph will likely get more than that in free agency and we'll have to let him walk. The rest of them could probably be bought back with minimum salary deals, but I don't think we need any of the others.

If we can get Gasol, I think we have to just go for it and worry about the rest later. He's 29 but doesn't have the kind of NBA mileage that most do at that age, he's the same age as Lebron but has played 24,000 fewer minutes in the regular season and playoffs combined.

[Mel_13]

You might be right about bench depth, but I think Millsap will be getting offers above $12m after his all-star berth last year AND he isn't the defender we need to try and fill Duncans considerable void. If we miss out on Gasol or Aldridge, I'd rather not commit any money for more than 1 year and roll over our cap to the excellent 2016 class. I'd consider overpaying Stoudemire for a single year, say $10m-$12m, who will give us something extra but not tie up cap room long term.

If they don't sign a major free agent in 2015, then they'll have to wait for 2017. That assumes, which I do, that Leonard and Green will be brought back on market value deals.

[Chinook]

a max offer to L.A or Gasol would push us to almost $70 million. I didn't say we couldn't but it would hurt our depth and our bench wouldn't be particularly good. Diaw, Mills and Anderson are the only known in that situation. If the cap jumps to $70 million the luxury tax should be around $84 million (a guess) add in the other $9 million of Kawhi's salary and that would push our salary up to $79 million with at least 4 roster spots to fill.

That's really not all that grave of a situation, seeing as the team would have filled their top 10 spots. We'd be talking about bringing some prospects over and maybe one room-exception guy. The real issue is hoping the cap increases enough in 2016 to accommodate the growing salaries.


I think that targeting Milsap would be a more realistic goal and allow us to field a more balanced team similar to our team now, granted it may not quite have the ceiling the other team would have. The Spurs would have more money to work with going forward in 2016 when the cap could jump to $78 million. We would have our rotation under contract with more money to spend.

I like the idea of having a scoring PF over a center, so Millsap for cheap would be preferable to Gasol for the max in my opinion. But I'd probably want to go a little cheaper if I were the team, something under $10 Million for the first year. The only reason to not hand out a max deal is to allow for two mid-sized deals.

[look_at_g_shred]

I think it's true. A barista at Starbucks told me Tim came in and he asked him how much longer he would play. Tim said "I shouldn't say but I'll have TWO venti skinny strawberries and cream Frappuccino's".
:lol

[Horse]

Timmy can play till he gets Alzheimer's, he hasn't relied on athletic ability in many years but he's probly the smartest player in the history of the nba.

[milkyway21]

2 more years??

Watch out those all-time records

[Blizzardwizard]

2 more years??

Watch out those all-time records


:toast

[007nites]

Timmy will play till 42 and he will still be posting double-doubles in 20 mins of PT.

[cd021]

That's really not all that grave of a situation, seeing as the team would have filled their top 10 spots. We'd be talking about bringing some prospects over and maybe one room-exception guy. The real issue is hoping the cap increases enough in 2016 to accommodate the growing salaries.

Not as familiar with the room exception. So if the cap is $70 million and roster in my Gasol/Adridge scenario comes to 10 players, $69.3 million, the Spurs could use the room exception to sign a player for $2 million? Then they could use bird rights on Green and Leonard. That would give the Spurs 11 players at around $80.3 million. They could fit a vet min or two and a min deal. Though Greens first year of his deal could be more than his $ 7.6 million cap hold. I'd still be worried about depth with that squad though.


I like the idea of having a scoring PF over a center, so Millsap for cheap would be preferable to Gasol for the max in my opinion. But I'd probably want to go a little cheaper if I were the team, something under $10 Million for the first year. The only reason to not hand out a max deal is to allow for two mid-sized deals.

I went in the $12 million range because of the increasing cap and Milsap almost certainly getting a significant raise because there are going to be a probably more than dozen teams with enough cap space to sign him. Then again he could sign a short term deal, but I would assume it would be for more than the 2 years, $18 million deal he signed with Atlanta.

I think he could be a very nice fit and with Diaw backing him up and LJC learning behind them.

[100%duncan]

TBH if we repeat, I see Tim and Manu retiring on top. Although as we know both have competitive natures so they might go for that 3peat...

[scanry]

The only way I see them signing at a very low contract would be if they win the title this year and want the best chance at a three-peat. Better chance of both hanging it up though and going out on top with a title though.

Luckily free agency allows for some time to maneuver with your own guys before open season for the other 29 teams begins on them. They could have everything done well in advance of Leonard receiving an offer sheet (if he even were to seek one out).

I think you meant signing an offer sheet. Leonard can get 10 offer sheets for all he could care, but the Spurs would only have to match the one offer sheet he signs (within 3 days btw).

I think RC & Pop would've explained to Kawhi why it would be better if they sign him after resigning Danny, Tim & Manu next Summer. If Kawhi delivers this season, he's getting the 5 yr max tbh.

[exstatic]

2 more years??

Watch out those all-time records

If you look at the date of the thread and the quote, it was during the playoffs. This is year one, so at this point, ONE more season.

[spurspokesman]

Im happy to have him as long as he wants to lace em up.

[cjw]

I think you meant signing an offer sheet.

Exactly. Too lazy to change go change it when posting from my phone. The Parsons type threat is overblown because I imagine Parsons felt slighted in some way leading him to evaluate the Cuban offer. Kawhi understands this is his franchise - #2 is already guaranteed to never be worn again after him - and offers him the best basketball situation and most lucrative situation financially.

[milkyway21]

If you look at the date of the thread and the quote, it was during the playoffs. This is year one, so at this point, ONE more season.

Yap, I missed that. Thanks :)

[cd021]

2 more years??

Watch out those all-time records

If he does decide to come back for another season
he'd be looking at 27,000 points, 15,000 rebounds and 3,000 blocks assuming he stays healthy and produces about the same as he has the past couple of seasons (14ppg, 9 rpg, 2 bpg)

[Chinook]

Not as familiar with the room exception. So if the cap is $70 million and roster in my Gasol/Adridge scenario comes to 10 players, $69.3 million, the Spurs could use the room exception to sign a player for $2 million? Then they could use bird rights on Green and Leonard. That would give the Spurs 11 players at around $80.3 million. They could fit a vet min or two and a min deal. Though Greens first year of his deal could be more than his $ 7.6 million cap hold. I'd still be worried about depth with that squad though.

rMLE is for $3 Million. But anyway, yeah. Under your scenario, the team would have enough money to go after 2-3 more min/rookie players while staying under the tax. However, I think the Spurs would pay the tax anyway if it meant landing LA or Gasol. It would only be a small amount and for only one year. Even if they weren't inclined to, someone would be willing to give up a million somewhere to make things fit, especially if a good vet was willing to take that min salary. As far as depth goes, remember that the Spurs would actually be a youngish team in this scenario, so they would presumably play their top guys more minutes. Also, the Spurs should have decent depth anyway, with Mills, Diaw, Anderson and a room-exception player as main bench guys with Bertans, LJC, a pick and a couple of min guys to compete for the last spot.


I went in the $12 million range because of the increasing cap and Milsap almost certainly getting a significant raise because there are going to be a probably more than dozen teams with enough cap space to sign him. Then again he could sign a short term deal, but I would assume it would be for more than the 2 years, $18 million deal he signed with Atlanta.

I think he could be a very nice fit and with Diaw backing him up and LJC learning behind them.

Maybe, but there's little reason to pay Millsap $12 Million instead of paying a max or near-max deal for an elite four-man. I could see paying Amir Johnson $8-9 Million or so to leave room to make a splash at the back-up two while saving the room exception for a big, but if the Spurs only have $3-4 Million to offer, they aren't going to get a good enough player to justify passing on Aldridge/Gasol, especially not two such players.

[illusioNtEk]

Yap, I missed that. Thanks :)

it's true Duncan said that during the playoffs... but why say 2 years left during the end of the season and semi finals? I honestly think he can play till 2016-2017 season. He has never been athletic and maybe saved his knees from high mileage wear and tear.

Duncan probably the smartest nba player in history.

[exstatic]

it's true Duncan said that during the playoffs... but why say 2 years left during the end of the season and semi finals? I honestly think he can play till 2016-2017 season. He has never been athletic and maybe saved his knees from high mileage wear and tear.

Duncan probably the smartest nba player in history.

Because maybe he wants to play two more years and not three?

What I never want to see is Tim as old Hakeem or old Ewing. They stayed past their sell by dates. I never want to think "Wow, he should have retired last year..." I'd rather he left a gallon in the tank than ran out of gas.

[spurs1990]

Great thread gents :tu

Refreshing to read post after post of Spurs-talk instead of one-sentenced pointless threads that clog up page one.

K&R

[hitmantb]

Because maybe he wants to play two more years and not three?

What I never want to see is Tim as old Hakeem or old Ewing. They stayed past their sell by dates. I never want to think "Wow, he should have retired last year..." I'd rather he left a gallon in the tank than ran out of gas.

This.

I would love to remember him as a high impact player, leader of the Spurs, deep playoff run in his final season.

No MJ in Wizard please.

[Ishta]

Tim just commented on my Facebook profile pic and confirmed that not only does he have 2 more good years left, but he also just saved a bunch of money on his car insurance by switching to Geico.

Love this!!:downspin:

[illusioNtEk]

Looks like my friend was right

[wingster]

If he does decide to come back for another season
he'd be looking at 27,000 points, 15,000 rebounds and 3,000 blocks assuming he stays healthy and produces about the same as he has the past couple of seasons (14ppg, 9 rpg, 2 bpg)
Not far off from what happened..only the points prediction was lower.

[kobyz]

Looks like my friend was right

pop shamelessly waste them!

[TDMVPDPOY]

08-12 WASTED tims years by handing the keys to enrique....fkn didnt even lead to shit....

then u draft kawhi, lead the resurgence of the spurs back into contenders...
wasted that championship against heat
beat heat following year
loss in first round next year was also a waste...