What will happen to Cully if it's Kobe 5 Duncan 5?

[The Batman]

Seeing how the chickenshit still lurks around.

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[Clipper Nation]

Never mind that, what happens when it's James 3 alpha rings > TOSB Kirby 5 role-player rings?

[KaiRMD1]

Never mind that, what happens when it's James 3 alpha rings > TOSB Kirby 5 role-player rings?

You're worse than thunderup, ol' sport

[spurraider21]

:lol they'll resort to

Kobe: 5
TOSB Ginobili: 4

[DPG21920]

Cully's been dead ever since the board voted him off the island and I forced him to show his true colors towards Kool. Now you see Kool pathetically hanging around like the ol' head at the club and no one wants to listen to his broke a** :lol

[manufan10]

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/head-explode.gif

[IrisHockey]

He already said Duncan retains the shitbag. He's coming back either way.

Though if the Spurs win this year and the next, that'll be it for Cubby's internet career. He'll be 62.

RIP Culburn, 1998-2015

[urunobili]

"*"

[Kidd K]

Duncan's 4 is already > Kobe's 5. Duncan with 5 easily puts Duncan above Kobe in nearly every possible argument besides "who was the better scorer".

Let's not forget Duncan has 2 MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs, while Kobe only has one questionable MVP win (Chris Paul deserved it more), and 2 Finals MVPs, one of which was also questionable (Gasol deserved it more).

While if the Spurs won last year, it would've been 5 and 4 FMVPs for Duncan, not to mention WAY higher win% (best in NBA history or damn close), while being much higher than Kobe in advanced stats like defensive rating whereas Kobe's only high in time-intensive stuff like total points scored and bricks.

Duncan beats the fuck out of Kobe regardless and it's not even that close. Show me a basketball fan who would take Kobe over Duncan when starting a franchise and I'll show you a dumbass tbh.

[spurraider21]

"*"
Cub refuses to lodge the asterisk.

[spurraider21]

Duncan's 4 is already > Kobe's 5. Duncan with 5 easily puts Duncan above Kobe in nearly every possible argument besides "who was the better scorer".

Let's not forget Duncan has 2 MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs, while Kobe only has one questionable MVP win (Chris Paul deserved it more), and 2 Finals MVPs, one of which was also questionable (Gasol deserved it more).

While if the Spurs won last year, it would've been 5 and 4 FMVPs for Duncan, not to mention WAY higher win% (best in NBA history or damn close), while being much higher than Kobe in advanced stats like defensive rating whereas Kobe's only high in time-intensive stuff like total points scored and bricks.

Duncan beats the fuck out of Kobe regardless and it's not even that close. Show me a basketball fan who would take Kobe over Duncan when starting a franchise and I'll show you a dumbass tbh.
Boiled down:::

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan's 4 is already > Kobe's 5. Duncan with 5 easily puts Duncan above Kobe in nearly every possible argument besides "who was the better scorer".

Let's not forget Duncan has 2 MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs, while Kobe only has one questionable MVP win (Chris Paul deserved it more), and 2 Finals MVPs, one of which was also questionable (Gasol deserved it more).

While if the Spurs won last year, it would've been 5 and 4 FMVPs for Duncan, not to mention WAY higher win% (best in NBA history or damn close), while being much higher than Kobe in advanced stats like defensive rating whereas Kobe's only high in time-intensive stuff like total points scored and bricks.

Duncan beats the fuck out of Kobe regardless and it's not even that close. Show me a basketball fan who would take Kobe over Duncan when starting a franchise and I'll show you a dumbass tbh.
T-Mac was the real MVP in 2003 (32/7/5 on 46/39/79)
Manu was the real Finals MVP in 2005

Based on deserving MVPs

Regular season
Kobe - 2 (06 should have been his, 07 is arguable)
Duncan - 1

Finals
Kobe - 2
Duncan - 2

How about you compare each of their stats in the playoffs and Finals for each championship won and compare their best regular seasons. Kobe comes out on top.

[spurraider21]

:lol tell me more about how mcgrady > duncan because of free throw%

[Deuce Bigalow]

:lol tell me more about how mcgrady > duncan because of free throw%
32.1/6.5/5.5 on 46/39/79 (scoring champ) vs. 23.3/12.9/3.9 on 51/27/71 tbh

[spurraider21]

by raw numbers lebron has deserved mvp basically every year since his sophomore season

[Arcadian]

He'll feel an extreme amount of cognitive dissonance, and he'll use logical fallacies to maintain his previous (erroneous) belief. :lol What a tool

[HemisfairArena]

T-Mac was the real MVP in 2003 (32/7/5 on 46/39/79)
Manu was the real Finals MVP in 2005

Based on deserving MVPs

Regular season
Kobe - 2 (06 should have been his, 07 is arguable)
Duncan - 1

Finals
Kobe - 2
Duncan - 2

How about you compare each of their stats in the playoffs and Finals for each championship won and compare their best regular seasons. Kobe comes out on top.

Kobrick should have won regular season MVP in 2006?,,,,LMAO. Youre grasping with Duncan destroying Kobricks legacy.

[spurraider21]

i've never seen a player from a 7 seed get mvp consideration :lmao

[ElNono]

http://secularpakistan.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/dead-parrot.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobrick should have won regular season MVP in 2006?,,,,LMAO. Youre grasping with Duncan destroying Kobricks legacy.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76024

[Deuce Bigalow]

i've never seen a player from a 7 seed get mvp consideration :lmao
Not anymore since the media votes for it, but before when the players voted for it players have won the award with below 50-wins. Kareem won one with a 40-42 record.

[spurraider21]

Not anymore since the media votes for it, but before when the players voted for it players have won the award with below 50-wins. Kareem won one with a 40-42 record.
yeah and players on the losing side used to win finals mvp. peer voting is a horrible concept. the players are too busy practicing/playing to actually observe a season objectively. they face a given player 2-4 times a year and draw comparisons based on that

[HemisfairArena]

Nash averaged almost 20 and 10 in '06, Suns 54 wins and reached the WCF's. Kobrick,,,Lakers 45 wins,,,out in the 1st round,,,,by the Nash led Suns no less.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nash averaged almost 20 and 10 in '06, Suns 54 wins and reached the WCF's. Kobrick,,,Lakers 45 wins,,,out in the 1st round,,,,by the Nash led Suns no less.
Kobe...
35.4 ppg - 8th highest alltime (highest since 1987-88)
2 60-point games
6 50-point games
27 40-point games

[Kidd K]

T-Mac was the real MVP in 2003 (32/7/5 on 46/39/79)
Manu was the real Finals MVP in 2005

Based on deserving MVPs

Regular season
Kobe - 2 (06 should have been his, 07 is arguable)
Duncan - 1

Finals
Kobe - 2
Duncan - 2

How about you compare each of their stats in the playoffs and Finals for each championship won and compare their best regular seasons. Kobe comes out on top.

TMac was not the MVP. Players on shitty teams with big stats don't deserve it. EXACTLY why Kobe didn't deserve it. It's Most Valuble Player award, not best stat padder on irrelevant teams award. Why do you think Kevin Love nearly missed the All Star game and Ellis and his 25 PPG seasons don't mean shit? And LOL no Manu wasn't the Finals MVP in 2005, get the fuck outta here with that shit.

2005 Finals:

Duncan: 25/15.5 2 BPG and GREAT defense in 2005 Finals
Ginobil: 18.7/5.8/4

It isn't even close. Manu also had multiple shitty games, including 7/4/0 6 TO and 12/4/3 games. Duncan's worst game was still a double double with 3 steals thrown in.

Kobe also does not come out on top in their playoff or reg season stat comparisons :lmao The only way you could possibly come to that shitty conclusion is if you're ignoring defense, rebounds, and winning, and only looking at PPG.

[HemisfairArena]

Kobe...
35.4 ppg - 8th highest alltime (highest since 1987-88)
2 60-point games
6 50-point games
27 40-point games

And the Lakers with 45 wins,,,

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan averaged 21/14/2/0/2 (tel:21/14/2/0/2) on 42/--/67 (47.1 ts%)
Manu averaged 19/6/4/1/0 on 49/39/85 (63.6 ts%) in 4.7 less mpg

Duncan took 44 more shots to score 13 more points...
144 points on 129 shots LOL
Manu's efficient offense won that series between two elite defenses.

[spurraider21]

Duncan averaged 21/14/2/0/2 (tel:21/14/2/0/2) on 42/--/67 (47.1 ts%)
Manu averaged 19/6/4/1/0 on 49/39/85 (63.6 ts%) in 4.7 less mpg

Duncan took 44 more shots to score 13 more points...
144 points on 129 shots LOL
Manu's efficient offense won that series between two elite defenses.
if you care about efficiency, kobe should never have a finals mvp period. you're entire perception of basketball seems to be about points, scoring, free throw%, etc. kobe deserved mvp because he had a bunch of high scoring games? its fans like you that think the lakers can get melo, love, kobe on the same team and actually compete for a ring :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

And the Lakers with 45 wins,,,
Most Valuable PLAYER award

[Deuce Bigalow]

if you care about efficiency, kobe should never have a finals mvp period
It's true that Pau was more efficient than Kobe, especially in 09, but the scoring gap was too big (at least 10 ppg difference both years).

[HemisfairArena]

Duncan averaged 21/14/2/0/2 (tel:21/14/2/0/2) on 42/--/67 (47.1 ts%)
Manu averaged 19/6/4/1/0 on 49/39/85 (63.6 ts%) in 4.7 less mpg

Duncan took 44 more shots to score 13 more points...
144 points on 129 shots LOL
Manu's efficient offense won that series between two elite defenses.

Lets not bring up more shot attempts since Kobrick owns close to the most shot attempts and bricks in NBA history.

[spurraider21]

Most Valuable PLAYER award
cant really call a player valuable on a mediocre team. without him they would have just been a worse mediocre team. zero impact on the league

[Clipper Nation]

Most Valuable PLAYER award
Most VALUABLE Player

There's nothing valuable about an empty stat padder :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lets not bring up more shot attempts since Kobrick owns close to the most shot attempts and bricks in NBA history.
18 seasons, 4th on the alltime scoring list

[spurraider21]

It's true that Pau was more efficient than Kobe, especially in 09, but the scoring gap was too big (at least 10 ppg difference both years).
maybe because a certain player was taking too many shots? i'm not going to penalize pau because kobe would jack up inefficient turnaround jumpers

[Clipper Nation]

18 seasons, 4th on the alltime scoring list
1st on the NBA all-time bricks leaders when playoffs are added in

[spurraider21]

18 seasons, 4th on the alltime scoring list
anybody who has that many field goal attempts would be pretty damn high on the all time scoring list

[HemisfairArena]

Most Valuable PLAYER award

Take any decent player who gets to average 100 shots a game and they'll give you 35 pt avg/gm and a 1st round exit.

[spurraider21]

1st on the NBA all-time bricks leaders when playoffs are added in
if he wasn't such a broken down TOSB he would have broken havlicek's reg season record for bricks by now too

[Deuce Bigalow]

Most VALUABLE Player

There's nothing valuable about an empty stat padder :lol
4-2 when Kobe scored 50
18-9 when Kobe scored 40

[Deuce Bigalow]

1st on the NBA all-time bricks leaders when playoffs are added in
2nd most points ever by a perimeter player behind only MJ

[HemisfairArena]

4-2 when Kobe scored 50
18-9 when Kobe scored 40

45 wins,,,,1st round exit to MVP Nash and the Suns.

[Clipper Nation]

4-2 when Kobe scored 50
18-9 when Kobe scored 40
39-3 when Kirby takes less than 21 shots

[spurraider21]

4-2 when Kobe scored 50
18-9 when Kobe scored 40
and for his career, a near identical win% when he doesn't play :lol

[HemisfairArena]

I don't even want to look it up,,,,I'm to lazy but the last time Kobrick was healthy and went against Durant for the scoring title,,,,Kobrick had so many more attempts,,,it was laughable.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Take any decent player who gets to average 100 shots a game and they'll give you 35 pt avg/gm and a 1st round exit.
Stackhouse averaged 24.1 fga to score 29.8 a game in 01

Iverson averaged 27.8 fga to score 31.4 a game (more fga/game than Kobe in 06)
AI also averaged 25.5 fga to score 31.1 a game the year prior

[spurraider21]

Stackhouse averaged 24.1 fga to score 29.8 a game in 01

Iverson averaged 27.8 fga to score 31.4 a game (more fga/game than Kobe in 06)
AI also averaged 25.5 fga to score 31.1 a game the year prior
thank you for listing kobe's most comparable players during the era

[Clipper Nation]

2nd most points ever by a perimeter player behind only MJ
Second-most FGA of any perimeter player too....

[HemisfairArena]

Stackhouse averaged 24.1 fga to score 29.8 a game in 01

Iverson averaged 27.8 fga to score 31.4 a game (more fga/game than Kobe in 06)
AI also averaged 25.5 fga to score 31.1 a game the year prior

The problem with Kobrick is stat padding.

[Deuce Bigalow]

39-3 when Kirby takes less than 21 shots
Making up stats now 0?

[Clipper Nation]

Making up stats now 0?
No, I'm not you, Statfag.... some more true facts:

If you took Shaq off the Lakers during their title runs, the Lakers wouldn’t be guaranteed to make the playoffs. When O’Neal was injured during his three peat, the Lakers had a regular-season record of 12-11 (.5217%).

When Kobe was injured, the Lakers regular season record was 25-7 (.78%). Interestingly, the Lakers’ entire regular-season record during their three-peats was 181-65 (.735%), which is a lower record than when Kobe wasn’t playing. The Lakers therefore actually had a better record when Kobe wasn’t playing.

[HemisfairArena]

Deuce,,,,you cant say Kobrick was better than a Nash that averaged 19 and 10 in 06 and took the Suns to 54 wins or a Dirk in 07 that averages 25 and 9 and took the Mavs to 67 wins,,,,when Kobrick took the Lakers to shit.

[Deuce Bigalow]

And no one is making an argument for them as MVP,,,,just Laker fans for Kobricks inflated stats.
Just Laker fans? Really?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060414
http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2006/03/kobe-bryant-2006-nba-mvp.html?m=1
http://www.interbasket.net/forums/showthread.php?80-Nash-over-Kobe-for-MVP-What-a-joke

[spurraider21]

Deuce,,,,you cant say Kobrick was better than a Nash that averaged 19 and 10 in 06 and took the Suns to 54 wins or a Dirk in 07 that averages 25 and 9 and took the Mavs to 67 wins,,,,when Kobrick took the Lakers to shit.
hemisfair, you thought the clippers signing byron mullens was a better move than the spurs resigning tiago splitter tbh :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

No, I'm not you, Statfag.... some more true facts:

If you took Shaq off the Lakers during their title runs, the Lakers wouldn’t be guaranteed to make the playoffs. When O’Neal was injured during his three peat, the Lakers had a regular-season record of 12-11 (.5217%).

When Kobe was injured, the Lakers regular season record was 25-7 (.78%). Interestingly, the Lakers’ entire regular-season record during their three-peats was 181-65 (.735%), which is a lower record than when Kobe wasn’t playing. The Lakers therefore actually had a better record when Kobe wasn’t playing.
39-3 is 42 games, Kobe only attempted 21 fga or less 16 times in 06 0

[spurraider21]

Just Laker fans? Really?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060414
http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2006/03/kobe-bryant-2006-nba-mvp.html?m=1
http://www.interbasket.net/forums/showthread.php?80-Nash-over-Kobe-for-MVP-What-a-joke
:lol i opened the first one and somebody argued shawn marion for MVP. done

[Clipper Nation]

39-3 is 42 games, Kobe only attempted 21 fga or less 16 times in 06 0
Never said the stat only covered the '06 season.... try again, 7 :lol

[Bynumite]

Never mind that, what happens when it's James 3 alpha rings > TOSB Kirby 5 role-player rings?

If you consider Kobe's rings to be "role-player rings" wouldn't that put Lebron already ahead of him even without winning a 3rd ring?

At least be consistent with you bullshit, Kevin Liao.

[Clipper Nation]

If you consider Kobe's rings to be "role-player rings" wouldn't that put Lebron already ahead of him even without winning a 3rd ring?

At least be consistent with you bullshit, Kevin Liao.
His alpha rings are already ahead of Kirby's roleplayer rings, a third one will just put him more ahead....

Go back to obsessing over Wedding Crashers DVD's, faggot :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

:lol i opened the first one and somebody argued shawn marion for MVP. done
Reading comprehension srs

[Bynumite]

His alpha rings are already ahead of Kirby's roleplayer rings, a third one will just put him more ahead....

Go back to obsessing over Wedding Crashers DVD's, faggot :lol

You're pretty fucking dumb for a chink tbh.

[spurraider21]

Reading comprehension srs
scratch that. all 3 links bring up shawn marion in MVP discussions :lol

[Clipper Nation]

You're pretty fucking dumb for a chink tbh.
So I went back and watched the theatrical cut last night as I didn't realize their would be a difference between the cuts until Xylon posted screen shots. I had only watched the uncorked version until last night.


There is a pretty significant difference and this theatrical version looks solid all around. Much more natural film quality to it. Its unfortunate because everyone will want to see the Uncorked version but now I won't permit it and they're gonna have to settle for the Theatrical at my house.

:lmao Selecting specific versions of Wedding Crashers to show at your house

[HemisfairArena]

hemisfair, you thought the clippers signing byron mullens was a better move than the spurs resigning tiago splitter tbh :lol

You think that's bad?,,,,I thought Enron was a great investment,,,Broncos a sure lock in the Super Bowl,,,,Africa a peaceful continent,,,and Yankees could buy their way to every title.

[Clipper Nation]

You think that's bad?,,,,I thought Enron was a great investment,,,Broncos a sure lock in the Super Bowl,,,,Africa a peaceful continent,,,and Yankees could buy their way to every title.
Hey, at least you weren't dumb enough to think Kirby deserved MVP in 2006 :lol

[HemisfairArena]

Hey, at least you weren't dumb enough to think Kirby deserved MVP in 2006 :lol

Its the only thing that keeps me grounded,,,,to know I haven't never lost my mental capacity to such a low level.

[TDMVPDPOY]

he do what some clown on this board did a few years ago, jumo off his balcony or veranda onto the lawn, and start scratching himself like a methaddict

[Arnold Toht]

He already said Duncan retains the shitbag. He's coming back either way.

Though if the Spurs win this year and the next, that'll be it for Cubby's internet career. He'll be 62.

RIP Culburn, 1998-2015

Absolutely Duncan would retain the shitbag. I haven't an idea how you could make a case for a guy who never repeated over a guy who's done it 3 times.

[Arnold Toht]

"*"

There's 2 of them in there already. 1999 and 2007.

[midnightpulp]

:lol Deuce still basing his arguments off PPG and TS%.

Duncan stomps Kirby in pretty much every known traditional and advanced stat known to man except PPG and assists. Duncan is in another world defensively over his career compared to Kobe. Duncan is the better Finals performer. Better clutch performer.

There's no argument anymore, not that there ever was.

Kobe vs. Dirk is a better comparison, and I'm not entirely convinced Kobe had the better individual career.

Playoffs:

Kobe: 25.6ppg, 5.1.rpg, 4.7apg, 1.4stl, 0.7blk, .448FG, .541TS, 22.4PER


Dirk: 25.6ppg, 10.1rpg, 2.5apg, 1.1stl, 0.9blk, .461FG, .579TS, 24.2PER


Dirk never played with a dominant big, much less a top 10 player of all-time. Furthermore, Dirk turned around one of the worst franchises in the NBA, leading them to their first championship, which is more impressive than crying yourself onto the Lakers, who were already stacked when Kobe was drafted.

We know Dirk is probably the best closer post-Jordan (insert your Chris Paul joke at my expense here).

I can't find any reason to put Kobe above Dirk aside from muh rings and muh scoring.

[HI-FI]

:lol Deuce still basing his arguments off PPG and TS%.

Duncan stomps Kirby in pretty much every known traditional and advanced stat known to man except PPG and assists. Duncan is in another world defensively over his career compared to Kobe. Duncan is the better Finals performer. Better clutch performer.

There's no argument anymore, not that there ever was.

Kobe vs. Dirk is a better comparison, and I'm not entirely convinced Kobe had the better individual career.

Playoffs:

Kobe: 25.6ppg, 5.1.rpg, 4.7apg, 1.4stl, 0.7blk, .448FG, .541TS, 22.4PER


Dirk: 25.6ppg, 10.1rpg, 2.5apg, 1.1stl, 0.9blk, .461FG, .579TS, 24.2PER


Dirk never played with a dominant big, much less a top 10 player of all-time. Furthermore, Dirk turned around one of the worst franchises in the NBA, leading them to their first championship, which is more impressive than crying yourself onto the Lakers, who were already stacked when Kobe was drafted.

We know Dirk is probably the best closer post-Jordan (insert your Chris Paul joke at my expense here).

I can't find any reason to put Kobe above Dirk aside from muh rings and muh scoring.
I can't remember Rapist ever doing what Dirk did in 2011. that shit was legendary, putting the team on his back etc....

[Splits]

:lol Deuce

(insert your Chris Paul joke at my expense here).


Point 1: agree
Point 2: :lol CP0 chocking chocks and cocks.

[Sean Cagney]

There's 2 of them in there already. 1999 and 2007.

2002***

[midnightpulp]

Some clutch stats:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/15oyt03.jpg

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2ih3zv4.jpg

Dirk wins both categories.

Now here's where Deuce starts posting youtube testimonials of "NBA people."

[spurraider21]

Now here's where Deuce starts posting youtube testimonials of "NBA people."
or FT% in the clutch

[midnightpulp]

No, I'm not you, Statfag.... some more true facts:

If you took Shaq off the Lakers during their title runs, the Lakers wouldn’t be guaranteed to make the playoffs. When O’Neal was injured during his three peat, the Lakers had a regular-season record of 12-11 (.5217%).

When Kobe was injured, the Lakers regular season record was 25-7 (.78%). Interestingly, the Lakers’ entire regular-season record during their three-peats was 181-65 (.735%), which is a lower record than when Kobe wasn’t playing. The Lakers therefore actually had a better record when Kobe wasn’t playing.

He doesn't even deserve to be called a statfag, since he uses the most antiquated metrics (raw per game stats) and focuses only on PPG.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Cmon Mid you need to look at their prime stats

Kobe 2001-2010 Playoffs:
28.8 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 5.4 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.6 BPG, .452 FG%, .341 3P%, .825 FT%, .486 eFG%, .548 TS%

Kobe led the playoffs in 4th quarter scoring 4 times ('01-'03, '08), Dirk 1 time ('11), Duncan 0 so please...

[Deuce Bigalow]

Playoffs stats during prime:

Kobe '01-'10: 29/6/5/2/1 on 45/34/83 (42 mpg)
Tim '99-'08: 24/13/4/1/3 (tel:24/13/4/1/3) on 50/15/69 (40 mpg)
Dirk '02-'11: 26/11/3/1/1 (tel:26/11/3/1/1) on 47/40/89 (41 mpg)

Real stats my friend.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I can't remember Rapist ever doing what Dirk did in 2011. that shit was legendary, putting the team on his back etc....
Love Dirk, but slow down. He shot 41% in the Finals.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Playoffs stats during prime:

Kobe '01-'10: 29/6/5/2/1 on 45/34/83 (42 mpg)
Tim '99-'08: 24/13/4/1/3 (tel:24/13/4/1/3) on 50/15/69 (40 mpg)
Dirk '02-'11: 26/11/3/1/1 (tel:26/11/3/1/1) on 47/40/89 (41 mpg)

Real stats my friend.
Correct. Prime numbers is how you should look at it.

[spurraider21]

the issue with this is its moronic to quantify defensive contributions as steals and blocks, and Tim Duncan being the anchor to the best defensive team of his era isn't measured by his blocks/steals per game.

[Jodelo]

:lol Deuce still basing his arguments off PPG and TS%.

Duncan stomps Kirby in pretty much every known traditional and advanced stat known to man except PPG and assists. Duncan is in another world defensively over his career compared to Kobe. Duncan is the better Finals performer. Better clutch performer.

There's no argument anymore, not that there ever was.

Kobe vs. Dirk is a better comparison, and I'm not entirely convinced Kobe had the better individual career.

Playoffs:

Kobe: 25.6ppg, 5.1.rpg, 4.7apg, 1.4stl, 0.7blk, .448FG, .541TS, 22.4PER


Dirk: 25.6ppg, 10.1rpg, 2.5apg, 1.1stl, 0.9blk, .461FG, .579TS, 24.2PER


Dirk never played with a dominant big, much less a top 10 player of all-time. Furthermore, Dirk turned around one of the worst franchises in the NBA, leading them to their first championship, which is more impressive than crying yourself onto the Lakers, who were already stacked when Kobe was drafted.

We know Dirk is probably the best closer post-Jordan (insert your Chris Paul joke at my expense here).

I can't find any reason to put Kobe above Dirk aside from muh rings and muh scoring.

:toast

[midnightpulp]

Cmon Mid you need to look at their prime stats

Kobe 2001-2010 Playoffs:
28.8 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 5.4 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.6 BPG, .452 FG%, .341 3P%, .825 FT%, .486 eFG%, .548 TS%

Kobe led the playoffs in 4th quarter scoring 4 times ('01-'03, '08), Dirk 1 time ('11), Duncan 0 so please...

Not all 4th quarters are created equal, which is why the clutch stat exists. Not to mention the intentional fouling that happens late in the game, which a team will do in the playoffs even where there's no chance of winning.

And Kobe shoots worse than Duncan and Dirk in crunch time.

[midnightpulp]

Playoffs stats during prime:

Kobe '01-'10: 29/6/5/2/1 on 45/34/83 (42 mpg)
Tim '99-'08: 24/13/4/1/3 (tel:24/13/4/1/3) on 50/15/69 (40 mpg)
Dirk '02-'11: 26/11/3/1/1 (tel:26/11/3/1/1) on 47/40/89 (41 mpg)

Real stats my friend.

Now Deuce is arbitrarily deciding what "prime" is. :lol

Kobe looked prime to me in '11. He just sucked in the playoffs. Convenient of you to leave that year out.

A better way to do it is by starter minutes, which Kobe has played since '99.

That said, both Dirk and Duncan have better prime stats anyhow. But yeah, I know, PPG!

[spurraider21]

kobe wasn't prime in 2011 unless you are referring to offensive prime only, in which case, sure.

[midnightpulp]

kobe wasn't prime in 2011 unless you are referring to offensive prime only, in which case, sure.

Kobe hasn't been in his defensive prime since about '02. It's a tragedy he has as many All NBA Defensive 1st Teams as he does.


Is the trend clear? There have been 3 players who’ve dominated the All-Defensive team for the past decade: Bryant, Garnett, and Tim Duncan. Over any extended period, Garnett dominates the list, Duncan is near the top of the list, and Bryant is pretty much at the bottom.

Being at the bottom is visually striking, but it’s actually not that damning in and of itself. If my knock on Kobe was that he was only the 20th best defender in the league on average, this would not be that horrendous of a knock. After all, big men dominate these kind of lists, maybe he’s still won of the top 5 or so perimeter defenders in the game, no?

No. The more damning thing is that every metric I’ve broken down here has Kobe’s defensive impact as utterly average. -0.8, -0.6, 0.1, 0.1, these are not numbers of someone who is consistently a game changer on defense. The other guys given even half the love Kobe’s gotten over the year, pretty consistently do turn up on these metric doing quite well.

I’ll point out also: it’s not that +/- considers Kobe vastly overrated across the board. If I were to post the analogous charts for Kobe on offense, he’d typically look like a superstar. Both Ilardi & Engelmann’s 6 year metrics rank Kobe as a top 3 offensive player in the game.

This statistic isn’t saying Kobe is extremely overrated in all parts of his game, only his defense shows such shockingly weak values.

http://asubstituteforwar.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/kobe-bryant-the-most-overrated-defender-imaginable/

[RsxPiimp]

dirk is a bad ass motherfucker but he's not on kobe's league :lol. duncan i feel is much more valuable than both however.

[Kool Bob Love]

:nerd

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I came back and took it like a trooper.

& I cited ya's, sang your praises day & nite for a solid fortnight. What thanks did I get? Deeps knelt down behind me & Jeebs push me ass over teacup.

[Clipper Nation]

I came back and took it like a trooper.

Nuh uh. You went back on your "win the last game you play" credo and started trying to qualify Duncan: 5. You've still yet to take it.

[Thread]

Nuh uh. You went back on your "win the last game you play" credo and started trying to qualify Duncan: 5. You've still yet to take it.

No. You're wrong. I came back took it like a trooper and sang your praises. You guys rang and I was here standing tall before the man.

[Clipper Nation]

No. You're wrong. I came back took it like a trooper and sang your praises. You guys rang and I was here standing tall before the man.

Nuh uh. Parroting "The Bag stays in Texas" is not taking it, it's making excuses. Act like somebody!

[elmanutres]

im ok with thread using the bag excuse. because i know when kobe comes to town he's gonna pick it up and take it home

[Thread]

Nuh uh. Parroting "The Bag stays in Texas" is not taking it, it's making excuses. Act like somebody!

The Bag stays in Texas.

[DMX7]

The Bag stays in Texas.

That shit is so lame. The :lobt2: stays in Texas.

[Kool Bob Love]

The Bag stays in Texas.

So damn bitter.

[spurraider21]

T-Mac was the real MVP in 2003 (32/7/5 on 46/39/79)
Manu was the real Finals MVP in 2005

Based on deserving MVPs

Regular season
Kobe - 2 (06 should have been his, 07 is arguable)
Duncan - 1

Finals
Kobe - 2
Duncan - 2

How about you compare each of their stats in the playoffs and Finals for each championship won and compare their best regular seasons. Kobe comes out on top.
:lol where's this faggot been?

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That shit is so lame. The :lobt2: stays in Texas.

If it were so lame you wouldn't mention it.

You're not big enough to handle The Bag, X7, it handles you.

Me? I'm big enough to handle 5. I've proven that time & again since you rang.

[ezau]

If it were so lame you wouldn't mention it.

You're not big enough to handle The Bag, X7, it handles you.

Me? I'm big enough to handle 5. I've proven that time & again since you rang.

Just a reminder, Duncan rang last June 15, 2014 not Kobe. Let us proceed :lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2: :lobt2:

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So damn bitter.

No. You knew the protocol at 5-4. I deceived no man. I was up front and I spoke plain English.

5 belongs to you. And so does The Bag.

[ezau]

No. You knew the protocol at 5-4. I deceived no man. I was up front and I spoke plain English.

5 belongs to you. And so does The Bag.

Duncan>Kobe. Let us proceed.

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Just a reminder, Duncan rang last June 15, 2014 not Kobe. Let us proceed :lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2: :lobt2:

I ain't said otherwise. I did not repudiate 5. I cited it from the mountain top. I did my duty voluntarily and with much fanfare and gusto. There was no backhanded insults. I was clear.

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[Thread]

Duncan>Kobe. Let us proceed.

No.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 5

[ezau]

No.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 5

Duncan>Kobe

[ezau]

I ain't said otherwise. I did not repudiate 5. I cited it from the mountain top. I did my duty voluntarily and with much fanfare and gusto. There was no backhanded insults. I was clear.

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

Duncan>Kobe

[Splits]

No. You knew the protocol at 5-4. I deceived no man. I was up front and I spoke plain English.

5 belongs to you. And so does The Bag.

Although you originated the bag in Cali, strapped firmly to Kirby's hip

http://i1.minus.com/jbgnCNhbbFxmBg.png

[Kool Bob Love]

No. You knew the protocol at 5-4. I deceived no man. I was up front and I spoke plain English.

5 belongs to you. And so does The Bag.
http://americaexplained.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/cut_the_mustard.jpg

[Spurs 4 The Win]

:lol where's this faggot been?

Jacking off to Naruto in his mom's basement

[Clipper Nation]

There was no backhanded insults.
"The Bag stays in Texas" isn't a backhanded insult?

[Thread]

"The Bag stays in Texas" isn't a backhanded insult?

No. It's a fact, a truth. Just like Kobe raped is a fact, a truth.

[Clipper Nation]

No. It's a fact, a truth. Just like Kobe raped is a fact, a truth.
Kirby raped AND dons the bag.

It's a fact, a truth.

[Thread]

Kirby raped AND dons the bag.

It's a fact, a truth.

No. Kobe raped, but, I designated The Bag. It was my invention, my concession and I chartered it onto Tim Duncan. That is also a truth. Just because you fucked up last June is not my fault. You had your chance and you fucked up. Don't blame me.

The Bag stays in Texas.

[Clipper Nation]

No. Kobe raped, but, I designated The Bag. It was my invention, my concession and I chartered it onto Tim Duncan. That is also a truth. Just because you fucked up last June is not my fault. You had your chance and you fucked up. Don't blame me.

The Bag stays in Texas.
With Kirby in it.

[Thread]

With Kirby in it.

See, you won't accept the truth because it's unpleasant, but, I accept the truth (5) when it's equally unpleasant.

I take.

You can't.

[Clipper Nation]

See, you won't accept the truth because it's unpleasant, but, I accept the truth (5) when it's equally unpleasant.

I take.

You can't.
The truth is that Kirby dons the shitbag. Always has.

Let us proceed: "With Kirby in it."

[Thread]

The truth is that Kirby dons the shitbag. Always has.

Let us proceed: "With Kirby in it."

You're bitter because you fucked up last June.

That's on you. Not me.

[Clipper Nation]

You're bitter because you fucked up last June.

That's on you. Not me.
"I" didn't fuck up last June. Kirby, on the other hand, fucked up 2004 and 2008.

Boiled down: "With Kirby in it."

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"I" didn't fuck up last June. Kirby, on the other hand, fucked up 2004 and 2008.

Boiled down: "With Kirby in it."

You're acting desperate, you poor thing, you.

[Clipper Nation]

You're acting desperate, you poor thing, you.
Nothing's more desperate than citing "win the last game" until Duncan got 5, at which point you started qualifying his rings.

[Thread]

Nothing's more desperate than citing "win the last game" until Duncan got 5, at which point you started qualifying his rings.

No qualification at all. He's got 5, said it immediately after he rang. It's in the stacks.

[Clipper Nation]

No qualification at all. He's got 5, said it immediately after he rang. It's in the stacks.
You're qualifying it by trying to attach Kirby's bag to Duncan and claiming that Diaw carried him. It's piss-pot.

[Thread]

You're qualifying it by trying to attach Kirby's bag to Duncan and claiming that Diaw carried him. It's piss-pot.

It was already attached before 5, you idiot. Diaw did carry him, but, it doesn't water down 5, nor qualify it.