Kawhi Leonard named to All Defensive 2nd team

[bklynspursfan]

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[DesignatedT]

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[Budkin]

Excellent!

[look_at_g_shred]

Awwwwready!!!!

[myhc]

Yess!!!! Well deserved for Kawhi!! :toast I wonder who made the 1st team? :flag:

[loveforthegame]

Well deserved. Well deserved. :tu

[barakz21]

Looking forward to more All defensive teams and hopefully all nba teams from you, young man! Congratulations! :toast

[SsKSpurs21]

Yess!!!! Well deserved for Kawhi!! :toast I wonder who made the 1st team? :flag:

probably kobe... :bang

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Wow good job.

[Johnny RIngo]

Congrats to him but Green probably deserved it more

[spursparker9]

lol Hibbert

[Kawhi]

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[jARS mEsH sEt]

:lmao Paul George over Lebron James.

[Baam]

Meh Paul George and Ibaka are the only ones that deserve first team without the hint of a doubt...

[loveforthegame]

Oh dear. George and Iggy on the first team? :lol

[myhc]

Is Chris Paul the new Kobe?

[spursparker9]

Seriously AI ?

[timtonymanu]

Green with a huge snub, but that was expected. :lol

Some Spurs fans still underrate him.

[spursparker9]

Is Chris Paul the new Kobe?

:lol

[Baam]

:lmao Paul George over Lebron James.

He can guard multiple positions but I'm not sure how great he's at it, besides most of the time he hides on easy matchups to rest these days...

[spursparker9]

Tony Allen should be there.

[Johnny RIngo]

All-Defensive selections are always terrible though. Kobe has something like 12 of them and he's been a crappy defender for most of his career.

[Baam]

Oh dear. George and Iggy on the first team? :lol

Seriously what do people have against Paul George...

[Kawhi]

:lmao Paul George over Lebron James.lebron was ass on defense this season, shouldn't even made the second team

[spursparker9]

Who voted for them?

Media or coaches?

[Mugen]

:lmao Paul George over Lebron James.

LeBron coasted hard on D this season. I don't think he deserved even 2nd team tbh.

[Baynes]

:flag:

[Baam]

Tony Allen should be there.

If the voting was done after the POs Tony Allen would be first team and Ibaka would have won DPOY tbh...

[Kawhi]

2013-14 NBA All-Defensive First Team

Position | Player, Team | 1st Team Votes (2 pts) | 2nd Team Votes (1pt) | Total Points
Center | Joakim Noah, Chicago | 105 | 13 | 223
Forward | Paul George, Indiana | 65 | 31 | 161
Guard | Chris Paul, LA Clippers | 64 | 28 | 156
Forward | Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City | 54 | 44 | 152
G/F | Andre Iguodala, Golden State 57 | 34 | 148
2013-14 NBA All-Defensive Second Team

Position | Player, Team | 1st Team Votes (2 pts) | 2nd Team Votes (1pt) | Total Points
Forward | LeBron James, Miami | 57 | 20 | 134
Guard | Patrick Beverley, Houston | 44 | 24 | 112
Guard | Jimmy Butler, Chicago | 29 | 45 | 103
Forward | Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio | 16 | 57 | 89
Center | Roy Hibbert, Indiana | 15 | 46 | 76

Other players receiving votes, with point totals (First Team votes in parentheses): DeAndre Jordan, L.A. Clippers 63 (14); Anthony Davis, New Orleans, 62 (18); Tony Allen, Memphis, 60 (17); Tim Duncan, San Antonio, 45 (12); Dwight Howard, Houston, 26 (6); Taj Gibson, Chicago, 21 (2); Mike Conley, Memphis, 21 (5); Ricky Rubio, Minnesota, 19 (5); Lance Stephenson, Indiana, 14 (3); P.J. Tucker, Phoenix, 13 (2); Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City, 10 (2); Kyle Lowry, Toronto, 10 (3); Eric Bledsoe, Phoenix, 9 (1); Marc Gasol, Memphis, 8; John Wall, Washington, 8 (1); Thabo Sefolosha, Oklahoma City, 8 (1); Kirk Hinrich, Chicago, 7 (2); Trevor Ariza, Washington, 5 (2); Avery Bradley, Boston, 5 (1); Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City, 5 (1); Klay Thompson, Golden State, 5; Andrew Bogut, Golden State, 4; Chris Bosh, Miami, 4 (1); Luol Deng, Cleveland, 4 (1); Wesley Matthews, Portland, 4 (1); Tony Parker, San Antonio, 4 (1); Nicolas Batum, Portland, 3 (1); Stephen Curry, Golden State, 3 (1); Danny Green, San Antonio, 3 (1); Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Charlotte, 3; Shaun Livingston, Brooklyn, 3 (1); Victor Oladipo, Orlando, 3 (1); DeMarre Carroll, Atlanta, 2; Matt Barnes, L.A. Clippers, 2 (1); James Harden, Houston, 2; George Hill, Indiana, 2; Jeff Teague, Atlanta, 2; Dwyane Wade, Miami, 2 (1); Kemba Walker, Charlotte, 2; David West, Indiana, 2; Arron Afflalo, Orlando, 1; Corey Brewer, Minnesota, 1; Michael Carter-Williams, Philadelphia,1; Darren Collison, L.A. Clippers, 1; DeMar DeRozan, Toronto, 1; Andre Drummond, Detroit, 1; Monta Ellis, Dallas, 1; Danny Granger, L.A. Clippers, 1; Draymond Green, Golden State, 1; Reggie Jackson, Oklahoma City, 1; David Lee, Golden State, 1; Paul Millsap, Atlanta, 1; Rajon Rondo, Boston, 1.

[spursparker9]

If the voting was done after the POs Tony Allen would be first team and Ibaka would have won DPOY tbh...

Not gonna disagree.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Seriously what do people have against Paul George...

We're all a little salty the trade for him didn't work out like ST expected..

[spursparker9]

:lol Harden receiving votes.

[Kawhi]

:lol Harden receiving votes.:lmao

[hitmanyr2k]

How in the hell did Harden get votes? That has to be a troll job :lol

[Chinook]

:lol Parker getting more votes than Green.

[313]

James Harden got a vote :lmao

[313]

:lol Parker getting more votes than Green.

[DBMethos]

TP received more votes than Green :stirpot:

Edit: Beat me to it...we're all thinking the same thing then. :lol

[Strategic]

Durant, Westbrook and Parker all more votes that Green.

[timtonymanu]

Green is seriously so underrated.

[tdunk21]

Well deserved Kawhi!!!

[Strategic]

:lol Harden receiving votes.:rollin

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Green is seriously so underrated.

Good, the Spurs will sign him for a good value again next year.

[phxspurfan]

lol at Anthony Davis being left off entirely.

Also, Noah is the most overrated super scrub possibly ever. Close to Udonis Haslem.

[myhc]

I think the first thing we ALL saw after seeing how many votes Duncan got was James Haren on that list. :rollin Had to be the Houston folks who voted to try to inspire him to play D...or maybe someone else with an obvious troll vote. Either way :rollin

[phxspurfan]

I think the first thing we ALL saw after seeing how many votes Duncan got was James Haren on that list. :rollin Had to be the Houston folks who voted to try to inspire him to play D...or maybe someone else with an obvious troll vote. Either way :rollin

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[Chinook]

Durant, Westbrook and Parker all more votes that Green.

From my Game Two breakdown:


Durant on Defense

Durant Post Screens Drives Pull-ups Break Threes
Amount 2 4 3 1 2 5
PPP 1 1.5 1.33 0 1 3

There’s no real way to sugarcoat this: Durant had an abysmal defensive game. As much as we rag on Beli for not being able to stop anyone, I’m not sure he could ever do this poor of a job. The Spurs attacked Durant in every way possible, and despite the headlines KD made about him stepping up on that end, he completely folded. What’s most sad is that Durant wasn’t even put in bad match-ups very often. The only big Durant guarded was Diaw, and Boris missed two free throws in two post-up attempts.

Durant was absolutely powerless to stop Parker’s penetration, not even being able to use his length to obstruct. I consider that sort of inexcusable, but I understand people wanting to give KD a break for that. The thing is, calling Parker and Diaw understandable mismatches only explains 5/16 possession, and 7/29 points Durant gave up. The rest came from players at his own position, Leonard and Ginobili and especially Green. It was kind of disturbing to see any player get picked on so much, actually. I know it was the team’s plan to make Durant work at both ends, but I doubt they’d ever imagine that KD would give up twice as many points as he scored.

Beli outplayed Durant on D. Let that sink in.

[Pako]

Tony Allen should be there.

Yup..

[bklynspursfan]

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[spurraider21]

:lmao Anthony Davis didn't make it but Hibbert did

[spurraider21]

Kobe snubbed

[Raven]

:lmao Anthony Davis didn't make it but Hibbert did

i don't see anything wrong with that, lottery players shouldn't get awards no matter how good they may look. And :lol @ reggie jackson, harden and parker getting votes.. the worst thing of course is chris paul's first team, absolutely ridiculous :lol

[elemento]

Congrats Kawhi :toast

"David Lee and James Harden received All-Defensive Team votes."

Yeah, some voters were trolling. Tony Allen not making the 1st or the 2nd defensive team is absurd IMO.

[Robz4000]

Congrats Kawhi. Can't believe Green didn't receive more votes, guy may be the best defensive 2-guard in the NBA these days (outside Tony Allen).

:lmao @ Harden getting votes

[smaka]

If CP3 play such a great defense, then how come has he never been to the conference finals? :lol

:lol Harden

[ElNono]

crofl Chris Paul, Catfish and Iggy... media-manufactured "defenders"

[jsandiego]

Splitter and Green don't get much attention, but have been amazing defensively this year. But since we don't block shots or get steals, no one notices.

[spurraider21]

i don't see anything wrong with that, lottery players shouldn't get awards no matter how good they may look. And :lol @ reggie jackson, harden and parker getting votes.. the worst thing of course is chris paul's first team, absolutely ridiculous :lol
that makes zero sense

[mercos]

Congrats to Kawhi, though he should have gotten All Defensive 1st team. My list would have looked something like this:

Tony Allen - G
Danny Green - G
Kawhi Leonard - F
Serge Ibaka - F
Joakim Noah - C

[BillMc]

Is Chris Paul the new Kobe?

This.

[BillMc]

Splitter and Green don't get much attention, but have been amazing defensively this year. But since we don't block shots or get steals, no one notices.

Agreed.

[RD2191]

Oh dear. George and Iggy on the first team? :lol

[BillMc]

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While he'll probably never get the votes, Danny is a hell of a defender. If there were justice, he'd get serious consideration.

[RD2191]

Kawhi is a better defender than Iggy and P George. :lolNBA

[SpurPadre]

2013-14 NBA All-Defensive First Team

Position | Player, Team | 1st Team Votes (2 pts) | 2nd Team Votes (1pt) | Total Points
Center | Joakim Noah, Chicago | 105 | 13 | 223
Forward | Paul George, Indiana | 65 | 31 | 161
Guard | Chris Paul, LA Clippers | 64 | 28 | 156
Forward | Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City | 54 | 44 | 152
G/F | Andre Iguodala, Golden State 57 | 34 | 148
2013-14 NBA All-Defensive Second Team

Position | Player, Team | 1st Team Votes (2 pts) | 2nd Team Votes (1pt) | Total Points
Forward | LeBron James, Miami | 57 | 20 | 134
Guard | Patrick Beverley, Houston | 44 | 24 | 112
Guard | Jimmy Butler, Chicago | 29 | 45 | 103
Forward | Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio | 16 | 57 | 89
Center | Roy Hibbert, Indiana | 15 | 46 | 76

Other players receiving votes, with point totals (First Team votes in parentheses): DeAndre Jordan, L.A. Clippers 63 (14); Anthony Davis, New Orleans, 62 (18); Tony Allen, Memphis, 60 (17); Tim Duncan, San Antonio, 45 (12); Dwight Howard, Houston, 26 (6); Taj Gibson, Chicago, 21 (2); Mike Conley, Memphis, 21 (5); Ricky Rubio, Minnesota, 19 (5); Lance Stephenson, Indiana, 14 (3); P.J. Tucker, Phoenix, 13 (2); Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City, 10 (2); Kyle Lowry, Toronto, 10 (3); Eric Bledsoe, Phoenix, 9 (1); Marc Gasol, Memphis, 8; John Wall, Washington, 8 (1); Thabo Sefolosha, Oklahoma City, 8 (1); Kirk Hinrich, Chicago, 7 (2); Trevor Ariza, Washington, 5 (2); Avery Bradley, Boston, 5 (1); Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City, 5 (1); Klay Thompson, Golden State, 5; Andrew Bogut, Golden State, 4; Chris Bosh, Miami, 4 (1); Luol Deng, Cleveland, 4 (1); Wesley Matthews, Portland, 4 (1); Tony Parker, San Antonio, 4 (1); Nicolas Batum, Portland, 3 (1); Stephen Curry, Golden State, 3 (1); Danny Green, San Antonio, 3 (1); Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Charlotte, 3; Shaun Livingston, Brooklyn, 3 (1); Victor Oladipo, Orlando, 3 (1); DeMarre Carroll, Atlanta, 2; Matt Barnes, L.A. Clippers, 2 (1); James Harden, Houston, 2; George Hill, Indiana, 2; Jeff Teague, Atlanta, 2; Dwyane Wade, Miami, 2 (1); Kemba Walker, Charlotte, 2; David West, Indiana, 2; Arron Afflalo, Orlando, 1; Corey Brewer, Minnesota, 1; Michael Carter-Williams, Philadelphia,1; Darren Collison, L.A. Clippers, 1; DeMar DeRozan, Toronto, 1; Andre Drummond, Detroit, 1; Monta Ellis, Dallas, 1; Danny Granger, L.A. Clippers, 1; Draymond Green, Golden State, 1; Reggie Jackson, Oklahoma City, 1; David Lee, Golden State, 1; Paul Millsap, Atlanta, 1; Rajon Rondo, Boston, 1.

Don't know how TP and cripples like Danny Granger can get votes but not Splitter, who's clearly one of the best defending Centers in the league.

[Chinook]

Splitter and Green don't get much attention, but have been amazing defensively this year. But since we don't block shots or get steals, no one notices.

Green led the league in blocks per game. I believe he was second in guards for DRtg (a stat I dislike, but still) for guards as well. The numbers were there. But he'll never get credit for it with Leonard next to him. Kawhi will have to win the awards for both of them.

[will_spurs]

It's hard to take these awards seriously when a guy like CP3 is selected in the 1st team. I'll never understand how this player in particular became a media favorite with so little actual game (not to mention achievements).

[DBMethos]

It's hard to take these awards seriously when a guy like CP3 is selected in the 1st team. I'll never understand how this player in particular became a media favorite with so little actual game (not to mention achievements).

But...but...dem alley oops, though!

[r0drig0lac]

the first of many

[mudyez]

Other players receiving votes, with point totals (First Team votes in parentheses): DeAndre Jordan, L.A. Clippers 63 (14); Anthony Davis, New Orleans, 62 (18); Tony Allen, Memphis, 60 (17); Tim Duncan, San Antonio, 45 (12); Dwight Howard, Houston, 26 (6); Taj Gibson, Chicago, 21 (2); Mike Conley, Memphis, 21 (5); Ricky Rubio, Minnesota, 19 (5); Lance Stephenson, Indiana, 14 (3); P.J. Tucker, Phoenix, 13 (2); Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City, 10 (2); Kyle Lowry, Toronto, 10 (3); Eric Bledsoe, Phoenix, 9 (1); Marc Gasol, Memphis, 8; John Wall, Washington, 8 (1); Thabo Sefolosha, Oklahoma City, 8 (1); Kirk Hinrich, Chicago, 7 (2); Trevor Ariza, Washington, 5 (2); Avery Bradley, Boston, 5 (1); Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City, 5 (1); Klay Thompson, Golden State, 5; Andrew Bogut, Golden State, 4; Chris Bosh, Miami, 4 (1); Luol Deng, Cleveland, 4 (1); Wesley Matthews, Portland, 4 (1); Tony Parker, San Antonio, 4 (1); Nicolas Batum, Portland, 3 (1); Stephen Curry, Golden State, 3 (1); Danny Green, San Antonio, 3 (1); Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Charlotte, 3; Shaun Livingston, Brooklyn, 3 (1); Victor Oladipo, Orlando, 3 (1); DeMarre Carroll, Atlanta, 2; Matt Barnes, L.A. Clippers, 2 (1); James Harden, Houston, 2; George Hill, Indiana, 2; Jeff Teague, Atlanta, 2; Dwyane Wade, Miami, 2 (1); Kemba Walker, Charlotte, 2; David West, Indiana, 2; Arron Afflalo, Orlando, 1; Corey Brewer, Minnesota, 1; Michael Carter-Williams, Philadelphia,1; Darren Collison, L.A. Clippers, 1; DeMar DeRozan, Toronto, 1; Andre Drummond, Detroit, 1; Monta Ellis, Dallas, 1; Danny Granger, L.A. Clippers, 1; Draymond Green, Golden State, 1; Reggie Jackson, Oklahoma City, 1; David Lee, Golden State, 1; Paul Millsap, Atlanta, 1; Rajon Rondo, Boston, 1.

the true first team

[Anonymous Cowherd]

^no Monta? :(

[testies]

is CP3 a good defender? I always remember Tony Parker shitting on him

[testies]

James Harden gets a vote, Splitter doesn't

[anakha]

Don't know how TP and cripples like Danny Granger can get votes but not Splitter, who's clearly one of the best defending Centers in the league.

Splitter really should have gotten more votes.

He's the more versatile Spurs bigman defender at this point (I love Duncan, but he's nowhere near as good defending P&Rs nowadays), and despite not getting blocks, opposing players shoot a lower FG% at the rim on shots he's defending.

[Baam]

Splitter is a scrub who plays 10min a game against good teams, his non selection is a non issue tbh...

[Chinook]

Splitter is a scrub who plays 10min a game against good teams, his non selection is a non issue tbh...


Keeping up the good fight aas always.

[slacker77]

Agreed.

man, I have been meaning to ask who is that first chick in your sig?

[BillMc]

man, I have been meaning to ask who is that first chick in your sig?

The girl in the black bikini? Michelle Keegan.

[BillMc]

Don't know how TP and cripples like Danny Granger can get votes but not Splitter, who's clearly one of the best defending Centers in the league.


Maybe next year. Reputations are made in the playoffs when national media pays attention to non-local teams. For example, the Finals last year elevated Kawhi's rep a lot (and justifiably so). So, this year Tiago got a lot of good press for his performances against Dirk and Aldridge. Of course, since those were the early rounds of the playoffs it might not have the same effect and be forgotten by next year's vote. If Tiago gets some burn in the Finals (and he might get to spend some time on Bosh), then it will help. Of course, based on last year's finals Tiago may hardly play.

[rasuo214]

Maybe next year. Reputations are made in the playoffs when national media pays attention to non-local teams. For example, the Finals last year elevated Kawhi's rep a lot (and justifiably so). So, this year Tiago got a lot of good press for his performances against Dirk and Aldridge. Of course, since those were the early rounds of the playoffs it might not have the same effect and be forgotten by next year's vote. If Tiago gets some burn in the Finals (and he might get to spend some time on Bosh), then it will help. Of course, based on last year's finals Tiago may hardly play.

Yup, unless you have eye popping stats (steals/blocks) you have to earn the rep. Last year Danny got the rep of being a great 3pt shooter if he does a great job on Wade (or whoever he ends up defending) then he'll start earning the defensive rep that he deserves.

[SpurPadre]

Maybe next year. Reputations are made in the playoffs when national media pays attention to non-local teams. For example, the Finals last year elevated Kawhi's rep a lot (and justifiably so). So, this year Tiago got a lot of good press for his performances against Dirk and Aldridge. Of course, since those were the early rounds of the playoffs it might not have the same effect and be forgotten by next year's vote. If Tiago gets some burn in the Finals (and he might get to spend some time on Bosh), then it will help. Of course, based on last year's finals Tiago may hardly play.

True but this is still considered a regular season award and what rep has Granger earned to get votes in the last couple of years when he's been sidelined for most of that time? Now, in regards to the Finals, yeah, I don't trust Splitter in this matchup at all. He might as well be Jeff Ayres as far as the Heat are concerned.

[BillMc]

True but this is still considered a regular season award and what rep has Granger earned to get votes in the last couple of years when he's been sidelined for most of that time? Now, in regards to the Finals, yeah, I don't trust Splitter in this matchup at all. He might as well be Jeff Ayres as far as the Heat are concerned.

I agree its supposed to be just for the given regular season. But "reps" matter and reps are made in the playoffs.

Agreed, I worry about Splitter. But he's been paying much better this year, so he might come through. We'll see.

[ducks]

does china vote?
only way harden should have gotten a vote

[BillMc]

Tim Duncan at 38 getting more votes than Dwight Howard in his prime. :hat

[siraulo23]

:lmao Paul George over Lebron James.

lebron coasted on d for most of the year this season

but paul george shouldnt be on the first team all defensive team

[siraulo23]

wtf who voted for james harden? :lmao

are you serious?

[siraulo23]

While he'll probably never get the votes, Danny is a hell of a defender. If there were justice, he'd get serious consideration.

danny green's perimeter d is legit

[Malik Hairston]

Defensive accolades in the NBA are by far the most inaccurate and undeserved selections, as everybody should know by now, tbh:lol..

Kawhi deserves it, though, but ya, none of the voters or even coaches actually pay attention or even give a shit(as evidenced by the Harden votes)..

[westbound17]

My god. iguodala. Smh.

[mystargtr34]

The Warriors were actually one of the best defensive teams in the L surprisingly, its their O that held them back when you look at the metrics.

Still.. most of the D is due to Bogut being the best defensive anchor in the L when healthy. Plus, Iggy arguably isn't even the best perimeter defender on his own team, id give that to Klay Thompson.

[Jenks]

Splitter really should have gotten more votes.After this year's playoffs, he'd better get votes next year.

[gilmor]

CP3 is perhaps the biggest choker after Clippers' playoffs run

[mrjap2x]

I'm surprised Splitter didn't get any votes and Green barely got any too.

[pgardn]

Westbrook is a better defender than Paul.
Allen is a better defender than Leonard, but I guess its a position thing.


The votes have to take into account the regular season where some of this guys take games off.

[apalisoc_9]

Wow..

The only individual accomplishment that should be celebrated is finals MVP..

Iggy, CP3...Unreal.

Green, Allen, Kawhi

[heyheymymy]

CP3 wtf?

[BillMc]

Westbrook is a better defender than Paul.
Allen is a better defender than Leonard, but I guess its a position thing.


The votes have to take into account the regular season where some of this guys take games off.

Westbrook missed huge chunks of the season though, and he's also not such a great off the ball defender.

That said, Paul is vastly overrated.

[100%duncan]

How the fuck is Paul in the first fucking team? Iggy, George over Bron. Hibbert lmao. What in the actual fucl