League MVP's... All-Star MVP's

[Buddy Mignon]

How would you guys rank them? And how many would you need to cancel out an NBA title? Let's look at Lebron's 4 League MVP's. How many of those would equal an NBA title if we're grading his legacy. Look at Kobe's 4 all-star MVP's... how many of those would you trade for an NBA title? The reason I'm asking is because it seems most people place a ton of stock in these league MVP's and the Finals MVP's, but not All-Star MVP's. If you are trying to boost your legacy would you trade a title for 4 MVP's?

[Splits]

What's an all star MVP? Is that like a preseason MVP?

[Raven]

i guess 40-60 all star mvps for a title seems fitting.

[Jodelo]

:lmao:lmao:lmaoAll-Star MVP :lmao:lmao:lmao

[spurraider21]

all-star mvp doesn't enter the equation at all

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao All-Star MVP.... Kyrie "no defense chucker and team cancer" Irving just won that shit this year....

[Buddy Mignon]

all-star mvp doesn't enter the equation at all

Ok... let's rule it out. If I had 4 league mvp's with no titles and you had 4 titles with no mvp's. Would you trade a title for any number of my mvp's?

[spurraider21]

Ok... let's rule it out. If I had 4 league mvp's with no titles and you had 4 titles with no mvp's. Would you trade a title for any number of my mvp's?
you were probably a better individual player who hasn't had a championship roster around him

[Buddy Mignon]

you were probably a better individual player who hasn't had a championship roster around him


You jokers are choking on your own bullshit. No one in their right mind would trade one title for 10 mvp's, yet you jokers always want to bring up mvp's when comparing Lebron and Jim to Kobe. It's all about the rings.

[Koolaid_Man]

You jokers are choking on your own bullshit. No one in their right mind would trade one title for 10 mvp's, yet you jokers always want to bring up mvp's when comparing Lebron and Jim to Kobe. It's all about the rings.

They should just shut this muthafucker down....Luva still a gotdam genius branging DA MUTHAFUCKING GOODS...I salute you my nigga :toast and them fine ass Ho's you fucking.....

[ElNono]

:lmao All-Star MVP.... Kyrie "no defense chucker and team cancer" Irving just won that shit this year....

:lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

It's all about the the gotdam rangs.....Kobe 5 TOSB 4 has been a muthafcker for Spur fan.....but in the event they choke again you can trust they're ready and prepared to suck Lebron's dick skin raw in order to deal with Laker fan :lmao

[spurraider21]

You jokers are choking on your own bullshit. No one in their right mind would trade one title for 10 mvp's, yet you jokers always want to bring up mvp's when comparing Lebron and Jim to Kobe. It's all about the rings.
i'm sure players care more about titles than MVP's, so you are right in saying nobody would trade a title for 10 MVP's. but in evaluating a player's individual ability/greatness, having 4 MVP's compared to a guy that has none but just happened to be part of a stacked title team is a more incredible feat

[Koolaid_Man]

i'm sure players care more about titles than MVP's, so you are right in saying nobody would trade a title for 10 MVP's. but in evaluating a player's individual ability/greatness, having 4 MVP's compared to a guy that has none but just happened to be part of a stacked title team is a more incredible feat

hey buddy ole buddy ole pal.....what you say about Gold vs Bronze Medals?

Tee Hee

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

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[Splits]

Finals MVP > Season MVP > AAU MVP > YMCA MVP > $1.00 > Allstar MVP

[Clipper Nation]

Getting welched on > All-Star MVP :lol

[313]

:lmao:lmao:lmaoAll-Star MVP :lmao:lmao:lmao

[Buddy Mignon]

i'm sure players care more about titles than MVP's, so you are right in saying nobody would trade a title for 10 MVP's. but in evaluating a player's individual ability/greatness, having 4 MVP's compared to a guy that has none but just happened to be part of a stacked title team is a more incredible feat

Well... according to most players these days... Lebron included, the MVP award is a team award, unless you enter Kobe into the equation. Then you guys find a way to inflate the value of an MVP award over multiple championships. Stuck in the mud, eh?

[Buddy Mignon]

They should just shut this muthafucker down....Luva still a gotdam genius branging DA MUTHAFUCKING GOODS...I salute you my nigga :toast and them fine ass Ho's you fucking.....

I can't wait to see their reaction when Kobe comes back next season dropping his career averages in season 19.

[Arcadian]

You jokers are choking on your own bullshit. No one in their right mind would trade one title for 10 mvp's, yet you jokers always want to bring up mvp's when comparing Lebron and Jim to Kobe. It's all about the rings.

You're changing the subject, though. First this was about deciding which player is greater based on achievements. Now you're making it about "trading a title for MVPs" but that's different. No one would trade a title for MVPs, but if we're ranking players, MVPs carry more weight than titles (assuming the MVP voting was accurate, which sometimes it isn't, but usually it is).

[whitemamba]

All star MVP is absolutely meaningless.

[Koolaid_Man]

All star MVP is absolutely meaningless.

Why? Because the media has more credibility than fans? Many fans have played the game whereas most reg season MVP voters haven't. All MVP awards are nothing but biased popularity contests even much so that Larry Bird was willing to give all his back because Kobe hadn't won one....:lol

[Buddy Mignon]

You're changing the subject, though. First this was about deciding which player is greater based on achievements. Now you're making it about "trading a title for MVPs" but that's different. No one would trade a title for MVPs, but if we're ranking players, MVPs carry more weight than titles (assuming the MVP voting was accurate, which sometimes it isn't, but usually it is).


Flawed logic has become the norm in sports today. How does Nash win an MVP during a year when Kobe destroyed the league? He was considered the best player on what was considered the best team... that didn't win a championship I might add. How does Malone when an MVP when Jordan had a better season? He was considered the best player on what was considered the best team. This happens often. If the MVP award held any credibility it would be given to the best player in the league, but that's not always the case. Where is this years MVP? At home brushing his nappy ass hair. I'm not changing the subject... just simply highlighting how lame it is to compare a guy that wins regular season awards to a guy that wins titles. The best player has nothing to do with who has the best stats either. It's simply an eye test while watching two teams go head to head. Durant may have had better numbers but when it mattered most Duncan flexed his muscles. That's how I judge the best player. And in the era of the 2000's, Kobe flexed his muscles more than anyone.

I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE OPINIONS OF NERDS WHO CAST VOTES!!! But I do respect the opinions of legends.

- Luva

"On the Dan Patrick Show today on AM 570 KLAC Larry Bird was asked what his opinion is about Kobe Bryant. He said that he is the best in the league and has been for quite a long time. He also stated that he is very surprised that Kobe has not won MVP so far and that after all Kobe has done, if he doesn't end up winning one than he might as well throw all of his away."

Source: http://www.am570radio.com/pages/podcasting/

From 2001-2011 I never saw a better player in the league. Sure there are guys that had better numbers at times, but Kobe was the Gold standard. If you can't come to terms with that now then you will once he retires.

[Malik Hairston]

Black people that aren't from Califiornia and still like Kobe are embarrassing, tbh..

[Buddy Mignon]

Black people that aren't from Califiornia and still like Kobe are embarrassing, tbh..

You lose...

[Malik Hairston]

Any respectable Black man dislikes Kobe, tbh..as my nigga Bomani Jones said, Black people turned on Kobe once he snitched..

[spurraider21]

All star MVP is absolutely meaningless.
i can see you're actually serious about getting bolded :tu

[Koolaid_Man]

Flawed logic has become the norm in sports today. How does Nash win an MVP during a year when Kobe destroyed the league? He was considered the best player on what was considered the best team... that didn't win a championship I might add. How does Malone when an MVP when Jordan had a better season? He was considered the best player on what was considered the best team. This happens often. If the MVP award held any credibility it would be given to the best player in the league, but that's not always the case. Where is this years MVP? At home brushing his nappy ass hair. I'm not changing the subject... just simply highlighting how lame it is to compare a guy that wins regular season awards to a guy that wins titles. The best player has nothing to do with who has the best stats either. It's simply an eye test while watching two teams go head to head. Durant may have had better numbers but when it mattered most Duncan flexed his muscles. That's how I judge the best player. And in the era of the 2000's, Kobe flexed his muscles more than anyone.

I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE OPINIONS OF NERDS WHO CAST VOTES!!! But I do respect the opinions of legends.

- Luva

"On the Dan Patrick Show today on AM 570 KLAC Larry Bird was asked what his opinion is about Kobe Bryant. He said that he is the best in the league and has been for quite a long time. He also stated that he is very surprised that Kobe has not won MVP so far and that after all Kobe has done, if he doesn't end up winning one than he might as well throw all of his away."

Source: http://www.am570radio.com/pages/podcasting/

From 2001-2011 I never saw a better player in the league. Sure there are guys that had better numbers at times, but Kobe was the Gold standard. If you can't come to terms with that now then you will once he retires.


Gotdam man you insist on Kool kissing your ass tonight I see :lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

Any respectable Black man dislikes Kobe, tbh..as my nigga Bomani Jones said, Black people turned on Kobe once he snitched..

Kobe was well within his rights to snitch...If I'm facing the threat of jail and 20-to-life you better fucking believe I'm singing like a canary if it will help me....that's the real definition of keeping it real...anything less means you just a liar that wants to get fucked in the ass....which I'm sure you are :lol

[midnightpulp]

:lol This is Luva's last gasp. He's really pimping ring counts now, preparing himself for Duncan 4, Kobe 2 (in the event Duncan wins the Finals MVP) or James 3, Kirby 2.

Luva, you're fucked no matter who wins this series. Duncan either ties Kobe in ring count and goes two up in the Finals MVP count. Or James is heralded as the 2nd greatest ever, surpassing all Laker greats.

Like I told you before, it's best you quit watching basketball (which you've already admitted to) and posting on basketball related message boards.

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol This is Luva's last gasp. He's really pimping ring counts now, preparing himself for Duncan 4, Kobe 2 (in the event Duncan wins the Finals MVP) or James 3, Kirby 2.

Luva, you're fucked no matter who wins this series. Duncan either ties Kobe in ring count and goes two up in the Finals MVP count. Or James is heralded as the 2nd greatest ever, surpassing all Laker greats.

Like I told you before, it's best you quit watching basketball (which you've already admitted to) and posting on basketball related message boards.

If Bron wins it's Kobe 5 Lebron 3

Lebron has 3 1st Ballot HOF'ers playing with him...Kobe only had Shaq....come again dipshit

[Koolaid_Man]

3 1st Ballot HOF'ers who were all #1 options on their previous teams and the NBA's all time 3 pt FG leader...what more does that nigga need....:lol

[Koolaid_Man]

Wade ring without Lebron, Allen ring without Lebron....Shaq no rings before Kobe.....come again midget.....my turn to open your ass

[DMC]

You jokers are choking on your own bullshit. No one in their right mind would trade one title for 10 mvp's, yet you jokers always want to bring up mvp's when comparing Lebron and Jim to Kobe. It's all about the rings.

You're out of your mind. The thing about the NBA MVP is that they get PAID. Steve Kerr has 5 rings, do you think he'd trade one for an MVP award? You bet. Why? Because it would mean he was getting PAID a shit load more money.

The title is fine if you were the reason, but just getting a ring isn't nearly as good as being a superstar, else Robert Horry is better than MJ.

[DMC]

If Bron wins it's Kobe 5 Lebron 3

Lebron has 3 1st Ballot HOF'ers playing with him...Kobe only had Shaq....come again dipshit

lol... MVP is MVP.... no one gives a shit about the side dishes.

[DMC]

3 1st Ballot HOF'ers who were all #1 options on their previous teams and the NBA's all time 3 pt FG leader...what more does that nigga need....:lol

Sounds like you're talking about Kobe with Shaq, Malone and Payton.

[Buddy Mignon]

:lol This is Luva's last gasp. He's really pimping ring counts now, preparing himself for Duncan 4, Kobe 2 (in the event Duncan wins the Finals MVP) or James 3, Kirby 2.

Luva, you're fucked no matter who wins this series. Duncan either ties Kobe in ring count and goes two up in the Finals MVP count. Or James is heralded as the 2nd greatest ever, surpassing all Laker greats.

Like I told you before, it's best you quit watching basketball (which you've already admitted to) and posting on basketball related message boards.


You lame ass sand nigga you. I give no credence to a bunch of nerds with voting rights. Rings is all I count. If you mention mvp's to me I'm throwing Kobe's all-star mvp's. Tit for tat lil nigga.

[midnightpulp]

You lame ass sand nigga you. I give no credence to a bunch of nerds with voting rights. Rings is all I count. If you mention mvp's to me I'm throwing Kobe's all-star mvp's. Tit for tat lil nigga.

So Wade>Jerry West?

[TDMVPDPOY]

You lame ass sand nigga you. I give no credence to a bunch of nerds with voting rights. Rings is all I count. If you mention mvp's to me I'm throwing Kobe's all-star mvp's. Tit for tat lil nigga.

why dont u also count kirbys all defensive teams? lmao bogus as his 4 AS mvps

[Buddy Mignon]

So Wade>Jerry West?

I love Logo, but he wore the choker tag. Wade has three titles and passes the eye test as a better player.

[Buddy Mignon]

why dont u also count kirbys all defensive teams? lmao bogus as his 4 AS mvps

An all NBA team is just as credible as an MVP... especially when you have as many as Kobe.

[TDMVPDPOY]

on the subject

how will it effect lebrons legacy is he gets sweep in the finals or losing to a 38yr old duncan in the finals?

sweep = will never challenge for goat title let alone be above duncan from here on as duncan will bea sealed into top5?

5+ games loss = still has the chance of being above duncan as long he rings in the future?

but 1 thing for certain both loss scenarios he is still above kobe right?

[Aztecfan03]

i guess 40-60 all star mvps for a title seems fitting.

pretty much.

[Nathan89]

Why? Because the media has more credibility than fans? Many fans have played the game whereas most reg season MVP voters haven't. All MVP awards are nothing but biased popularity contests even much so that Larry Bird was willing to give all his back because Kobe hadn't won one....:lol

Kobe must have a bunch of reg season MVP's.

[Nathan89]

I love Logo, but he wore the choker tag. Wade has three titles and passes the eye test as a better player.

How many Jerry West games have you seen?

[Buddy Mignon]

How many Jerry West games have you seen?

All 6 Finals that he lost to the Celtics.

[100%duncan]

:lmao All-Star MVP.... Kyrie "no defense chucker and team cancer" Irving just won that shit this year....
Truth bomb :lol

[Buddy Mignon]

:lmao All-Star MVP.... Kyrie "no defense chucker and team cancer" Irving just won that shit this year....

Dirk, no defense chucker won league MVP. Nash, no defense at all won bac2back league MVP's. Thanks for highlighting my point, sucka. The MVP award is worthless. Any one can be gifted it... but those titles... those have to be earned. And my nigga Kobe has earned 5 of em for you all to suck on.

[DMC]

OP should be ignored just by comparing All Star MVP to NBA MVP. Shows he knows nothing about the game. Probably has a lot to do with being on the ground 5 times a day kowtowing to Mecca.

[Buddy Mignon]

OP should be ignored just by comparing All Star MVP to NBA MVP. Shows he knows nothing about the game. Probably has a lot to do with being on the ground 5 times a day kowtowing to Mecca.


Kobe 5... Jim stuck at 4. And that ain't changing.

[IrisHockey]

Dirk, no defense chucker won league MVP. Nash, no defense at all won bac2back league MVP's. Thanks for highlighting my point, sucka. The MVP award is worthless. Any one can be gifted it... but those titles... those have to be earned. And my nigga Kobe has earned 5 of em for you all to suck on.

Except Dirk has historically dominated Kobe in terms of defensive metrics.

[whitemamba]

Why? Because the media has more credibility than fans? Many fans have played the game whereas most reg season MVP voters haven't. All MVP awards are nothing but biased popularity contests even much so that Larry Bird was willing to give all his back because Kobe hadn't won one....:lol

because its 1 game for entertainment reasons kool, nothing glorious about that.

[TDMVPDPOY]

cant rank them, cause enrique has all eyes on them at the expense of team objective..he take both and never look back