[WC 14] GROUP G: Germany, Ghana, Portugal & USA

[Aztecfan03]

I wish Portugal-Ghana game was before U.S.-Germany so we would know what the U.S. needs but they are at the same time. oh well.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Alright so we're still in ok shape

[BanditHiro]

But seriously Germany and the US both advance with a draw and our coach is German. We all know what's going to happen

and Germany wins the group if the result is a draw...i just don't see any situations in where either team will try hard and go for the win. Klisman will call up his buddies and strike the deal

[DMX7]

I wish Portugal-Ghana game was before U.S.-Germany so we would know what the U.S. needs but they are at the same time. oh well.

That's for a reason of course.

[resistanze]

But seriously Germany and the US both advance with a draw and our coach is German. We all know what's going to happen

Unless Klinsmann's former assistant coach (Loew) wants to shut that nigga up. Always running his mouth and his Hollywood lifestyle :lol

[Aztecfan03]

If the USA lose, their goal difference goes down. So if Germany beat the USA 3-0, Ghana would only have to win 1-0. I think.

Yep. If Ghana and Germany both win by 1 though, the USA/Ghana tiebreaker would be total goals scored and USA is +1 vs. Ghana in that category right now.

[01Snake]

Team USA just got Game 6'ed

[resistanze]

If the USA lose, their goal difference goes down. So if Germany beat the USA 3-0, Ghana would only have to win 1-0. I think.

Yeah if US loses 2-0 their goal differential is -1. So obviously Ghana winning by any score and USA is out. Portugal is a long shot.

[Venti Quattro]

480863381059305475

[scott]

Fucking Ronaldo. Doesn't do shit all came and comes up with that cross. Motherfucker.

On to Recife!

[DMX7]

That was very Game 6 like.

[Relevancy]

I think the usa and germany should do business behind behind the scenes and settle for a tie. I mean a tie gets them both in.

[Venti Quattro]

I think the usa and germany should do business behind behind the scenes and settle for a tie. I mean a tie gets them both in.

Surely Obama is on the phone with Merkel right now tbh

[DAF86]

Your argie ref was real American bro this game

You're welcome son.

[Relevancy]

Surely Obama is on the phone with Merkel right now tbhwouldnt doubt it one bit, nobody wants to watch shitty ass portugal advance to the second round, ghana deaerves it but ghana is ghana... And the is the usa,.... If their smart theyll settle for a tie

[Darth_Pelican]

The US is advancing, even with a loss. Portugal will either tie or beat the africans, hence pushing the US through.

[Trill Clinton]

http://i60.tinypic.com/nxq3vb.jpg

^^^^
is going to be feasting on bradley next game

[Trainwreck2100]

That was very Game 6 like.

Well they said they looked at the Spurs heat series guess they looked at the wrong one

[Darth_Pelican]

wouldnt doubt it one bit, nobody wants to watch shitty ass portugal advance to the second round, ghana deaerves it but ghana is ghana... And the is the usa,.... If their smart theyll settle for a tie
Portugal has no chance of advancing, even with a win. Their goal differential eliminates them

[Venti Quattro]

Portugal has no chance of advancing, even with a win. Their goal differential eliminates them

Pay off Ghana and Portugal to kill each other next matchday
Let Obama massage Merkel's ego

We advance to the knock-out stages.

[Relevancy]

Portugal has no chance of advancing, even with a win. Their goal differential eliminates themwhat if they score 4 against ghana and germany beatss the usa by 2-0... The usa and germany should just play it safe and tie

[Brazil]

Bradley screwed at the end but still best American player tonite

ronaldo is clearly injured and playing one leg tbh

a tie is enough I don't think Germany will push like crazy but don't expect they will just bend over and wait. They still need to secure first place and won't play with fire. Now 0-0 till 15 min to the end and game is over

[Venti Quattro]

Before we get all paranoid of the United States' chances, let's not forget that Germany also risks crashing out of the group stage if Murica somehow finds a way to beat them. There's no incentive for both to try and kill each other when a draw settles their group.

[resistanze]

Before we get all paranoid of the United States' chances, let's not forget that Germany also risks crashing out of the group stage if Murica somehow finds a way to beat them. There's no incentive for both to try and kill each other when a draw settles their group.

If there's no conspiracy behind the scenes, that's the exact reason Germany will go all out tbh. They can crash out with a loss.

[Venti Quattro]

If there's no conspiracy behind the scenes, that's the exact reason Germany will go all out tbh. They can crash out with a loss.

I think at least Loew and Klinsmann are talking behind the scenes if not Obama and Merkel.

"We both advance with a draw, so let's play a good game and keep to our strategy"

Both will surely go all-out to make the fans' money worth it but they're still drawing. The US advancing is good for the sport and for the World Cup, compared to Ghana and Portugal. The potential US audience that it will draw is a big motivation.

[Darth_Pelican]

Let's also not forget that the winner of the group has a cakewalk to the elite 8 while the runner up has a very tough game in the round of 16, hence more reason for the US & Germany to play hard.

[NASpurs]

I think at least Loew and Klinsmann are talking behind the scenes if not Obama and Merkel.

"We both advance with a draw, so let's play a good game and keep to our strategy"

Both will surely go all-out to make the fans' money worth it but they're still drawing. The US advancing is good for the sport and for the World Cup, compared to Ghana and Portugal. The potential US audience that it will draw is a big motivation.

Greaaat, two hours of keep away from both teams in a 0-0 draw

[Venti Quattro]

Greaaat, two hours of keep away from both teams in a 0-0 draw

I hope for a 5-5 draw tbh so it'd look like an all-star game.

[Pelicans78]

The US is advancing, even with a loss. Portugal will either tie or beat the africans, hence pushing the US through.

I think Ghana will kick Portugal's ass.

[Darth_Pelican]

Greaaat, two hours of keep away from both teams in a 0-0 draw

I'd enjoy the hell out of 0-0 tie tbh :lol

[Relevancy]

Fuck portugal, overrated ass team. Cant believe they were ranked in the top 10 fifa rankings.

if theres a time for fifa to act corrupted, its now.

[Darth_Pelican]

I think Ghana will kick Portugal's ass.
Ghana's defense is very suspect. Portugal will score 2 or more against them.

[Pelicans78]

It's highly unlikely Germany will get eliminated with a loss. They have huge differential over both Portugal and Ghana. They can lose and will still get in.

[Venti Quattro]

Ghana's defense is very suspect. Portugal will score 2 or more against them.

I predict a GHA-POR draw. Ghana's defense is very suspect but Portugal's offense is just Cristiano. I think they can put the cuffs on one guy, unlike that fagit Bradley

[Brazil]

I think at least Loew and Klinsmann are talking behind the scenes if not Obama and Merkel.

"We both advance with a draw, so let's play a good game and keep to our strategy"

Both will surely go all-out to make the fans' money worth it but they're still drawing. The US advancing is good for the sport and for the World Cup, compared to Ghana and Portugal. The potential US audience that it will draw is a big motivation.

:lol no way that happens

[Pelicans78]

Ghana's defense is very suspect. Portugal will score 2 or more against them.

Portugal's defense may be worse and Ghana handle's the climate better. I would be shocked if Portugal wins.

[Darth_Pelican]

I predict a GHA-POR draw. Ghana's defense is very suspect but Portugal's offense is just Cristiano. I think they can put the cuffs on one guy

Me too, and that would be delicious

[Venti Quattro]

:lol no way that happens

What's to say that they're not planning it? It's conspiracy but cmon don't act like it's a bad thing to see Germany and the United States advance :lol

[Darth_Pelican]

Portugal's defense may be worse and Ghana handle's the climate better. I would be shocked if Portugal wins.

What about US vs. Germany? I feel like even if we lose by a goal, we should be fine.

[Pelicans78]

The U.S. should have gotten 3 points against this Portugal team. They pretty much gave Portugal this draw which is unfortunate because Portugal looks awful overall.

[hater]

US Soccer's version of 6

:lmao

[Blizzardwizard]

I would like Ghana over the USA, but the USA's playing style 'long passes on the ground' reminds me of the kind of football United would play in Ferguson's final season. Very well coached and likeable players, except for Dempsey. Screw Dempsey.

[Venti Quattro]

What about US vs. Germany? I feel like even if we lose by a goal, we should be fine.

As I said earlier in this thread, we can probably lose but just don't get killed by Germany. If we lose by a goal, the optimal strategy is for Portugal to beat Ghana.

[hater]

too bad Germany are pissed off. Not a good timing to face them IMO

Ghana still has a chance, although its probably around 25% chance, but if they take care of business vs. Portugal, it could be in the cards :tu

[Pelicans78]

What about US vs. Germany? I feel like even if we lose by a goal, we should be fine.

I just worry that Ghana could really run wild on this Portugal team especially if in this climate where they will be better conditioned compared to Portugal. There's plenty of reason than Ghana almost beat Germany yesterday. To me the U.S. looked much better today compared to the first game where Ghana controlled most of the attack.

[Brazil]

What's to say that they're not planning it? It's conspiracy but cmon don't act like it's a bad thing to see Germany and the United States advance :lol

Its a good result for both team but no way you to 30 players look if you are alone miss your shot. Germany cannot offer luxury to take any risk. Again if it's a tie with 15 min remaining yes both team will stand bye but you don't refuse to play during 90 min.

[DMX7]

As I said earlier in this thread, we can probably lose but just don't get killed by Germany. If we lose by a goal, the optimal strategy is for Portugal to beat Ghana.

Hoping for Portugal to beat Ghana is not a strategy.

[Darth_Pelican]

The U.S. should have gotten 3 points against this Portugal team. They pretty much gave Portugal this draw which is unfortunate because Portugal looks awful overall.
No doubt. I never for one second thought the US wasn't winning today, even when it was 1-0. You can see that in this thread. Portugal got lucky due to Bradley's stupidity & the refs gifting Portugal 5 mins of extra time to give soccer's golden boy every opportunity to make a play

[resistanze]

Ghana's defense is very suspect. Portugal will score 2 or more against them.

Portgual's offense looks atrocious. They were gifted a goal in this match and the US fell asleep at the end.

[Venti Quattro]

Hoping for Portugal to beat Ghana is not a strategy.
Well if the US drop their game against Germany will we have any choice? It will come down to goal differences

[NASpurs]

Me when Portugal scored :lol

http://i.minus.com/iWZDSbMkRn9Fn.gif

[resistanze]

Winner of the Group's path (as it stands): Algeria, France/Nigeria
Runner-up of the Group's path: Belgium, Argentina/Ecudaor

[Venti Quattro]

Its a good result for both team but no way you to 30 players look if you are alone miss your shot. Germany cannot offer luxury to take any risk. Again if it's a tie with 15 min remaining yes both team will stand bye but you don't refuse to play during 90 min.

I'm not saying settle for a scoreless draw because that's fucking boring. If your're gonna conspire for a draw so that both teams advance, might as well make it a scoring draw. How does 4-4 appeal?

[NASpurs]

Venti Quattro dat pope :lmao

http://i.minus.com/iQ6FumOyrWMni.jpg

[DMX7]

Venti Quattro dat pope :lmao

http://i.minus.com/iQ6FumOyrWMni.jpg

:lol

That would have been even more epic a few years ago with HitlerJugend Pope.

[DMX7]

Oh, and the Nazis would have slaughtered the Columbians like cattle if they had a chance. What an idiot that guy is.

[ElNono]

Germany gonna come out to win, tbh... :cry time to avenge WWII :cry

[Blizzardwizard]

I see a hard fought 1-1 draw. If they get a little luck, there's no reason the USA can't sniff a quarter-final or even a semi-final. No team in the entire tournament has completely dominated both games in the group stages so far, except for France but they were playing mediocre opposition.

[ManuLoco]

I see a hard fought 1-1 draw. If they get a little luck, there's no reason the USA can't sniff a quarter-final or even a semi-final. No team in the entire tournament has completely dominated both games in the group stages so far, except for France but they were playing mediocre opposition.

I don't remember a world champion who dominated the group stages. They always suck until the semis. France is not going to win this.

[hater]

Ghana has easily been the best team of this group of death. Too bad they had a bit of bad luck in game 1, deserved to win it. :cry

they could easily be leading the group at this point. They will play their little hearts out vs. Portugal and should be able to win IMO. But unfortunately Jurgen Klinsmann knows Germany too well. He can easily negotiate a tie vs. the Krauts :cry

[Darth_Pelican]

76% chance that US advances.

How the U.S. can qualify for the last 16 (http://www.espnfc.us/fifa-world-cup/story/1904117/how-the-us-can-qualify-for-the-last-16)

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i/?img=/media/motion/ESPNi/2014/0622/int_140622_Costly_mistake_for_the_United_States/int_140622_Costly_mistake_for_the_United_States.jp g&w=738&site=espnfc


Following the thrilling 2-2 draw between the U.S. and Portugal, here are the scenarios that would allow the U.S. to clinch a spot in the round of 16.
Remaining fixtures:

- Thursday U.S. vs. Germany (ESPN, noon ET); Portugal vs. Ghana (ESPN2, noon ET)



Updated Soccer Power Index odds to advance:

- Germany: 99.7 percent
- United States: 76 percent
- Ghana: 19 percent
- Portugal: 5 percent

Simplest Scenarios
- Germany: Advance with win/draw vs. USA
- United States: Advance with win/draw vs. GER
- Portugal: Advance with win vs. GHA AND GER/USA do not tie, IF POR wins tiebreak with loser (see below)
- Ghana: Advance with win vs. POR AND GER/USA do not tie, IF GHA wins tiebreak with loser (see below)

U.S. Scenarios
- Win/draw vs. Germany
- Loss and Portugal-Ghana draw
- Loss and win tiebreaker vs. Portugal-Ghana winner

Tiebreakers
If the United States loses, Ghana would qualify instead if either game is decided by a margin of two goals or more. If the U.S. loses by one goal, Ghana would need to win by two goals or be involved in a higher-scoring one-goal win. For instance, a 1-0 scoreline in both games would put the United States through on head-to-head. So, if the U.S. loses 1-0, then Ghana must win 2-1 to qualify on goals scored.
To surpass the U.S., Portugal will need a goal-difference swing of five (head-to-head is level). So for instance, Portugal would need to win 3-0 and U.S. lose 2-0, among other equivalent scorelines. The teams will draw lots if goal difference is identical (this would happen with a 3-0 U.S. defeat and a 2-0 Portugal win, for example).

History
If the United States and Germany draw on Thursday, both will advance to the knockout stage regardless of Ghana and Portugal's result. There have already been questions about how much attacking will occur in that match, as there's precedent for German involvement in a mutually-assured advancement situation.
In 1982, West Germany was in a group with Algeria, Austria and Chile. A 3-2 Algeria win in its last match meant Algeria would be the first team to reach the knockout stage unless West Germany beat Austria by one or two goals -- in which case both European sides would advance. After Germany's Horst Hrubesch put the Germans in front in the 10th minute, both teams realized they were through if results held and basically stopped playing for the final 80 minutes (0 shots, barely any tackles, etc.).
The incident is what prompted FIFA to change the format of the final match of the group stage. All four teams in a group now play their third match simultaneously to avoid this scenario.

[hater]

as mentioned Germany will not easily concede a tie because their main goal will be to win the group as early as possible and start getting into form for the 2nd round.

USA will have to go 110% to even hope to get a draw IMO

[lefty]

Nazis are gonna cheat like they did in 1982

[hater]

hopefully this goes the way of the Dresden firebombing :lol

[Darth_Pelican]

Nazis are gonna cheat like they did in 1982

:lol was that the game where the players just stopped playing in the 80 minute mark? that shit was hilarious

[Infinite_limit]

Ghana has easily been the best team of this group of death. Too bad they had a bit of bad luck in game 1, deserved to win it. :cry

they could easily be leading the group at this point. They will play their little hearts out vs. Portugal and should be able to win IMO. But unfortunately Jurgen Klinsmann knows Germany too well. He can easily negotiate a tie vs. the Krauts :cry
I rewatched the Ghana/German game last night.

Germany dominated their ass. They had 10+ solid/calm/precise chances in the final 20 minutes after Schweinsteiger came in. I know Ghana had some nice breakaways late and that was nice but Germany could have easily put 5 goals up on them late.

[Infinite_limit]

as mentioned Germany will not easily concede a tie because their main goal will be to win the group as early as possible and start getting into form for the 2nd round.

USA will have to go 110% to even hope to get a draw IMO
Actually. The easier road to the Final is as the 2nd Place team. USA must Win the group because they will be underdogs versus Belgium. Germany will bitch slap their little cousins and then skullfuck Argentina for a 3rd time

[hater]

I rewatched the Ghana/German game last night.

Germany dominated their ass. They had 10+ solid/calm/precise chances in the final 20 minutes after Schweinsteiger came in. I know Ghana had some nice breakaways late and that was nice but Germany could have easily put 5 goals up on them late.

disagree. Germans played pretty well of course, they are Krautland after all. But the skill of the africans was evident, they smoked the German defenders a good percentage of the time. Obviously when Ghana scored the 2nd goal, Krauts hit the panic button and sent the entire Panzer batallion to the fronts which easily allowed for the tie goal. But Krauts cannot play like this the 90 minutes, they cannot sustain it, especially with the african players creating dangerous counterattack after dangerous counterattack.

IMO Ghana deserved the win yesterday.

[lefty]

:lol was that the game where the players just stopped playing in the 80 minute mark? that shit was hilarious

Wayyyyy before the 80 min mark. Austria let Germany score and then they just passed the ball around for the rest of the game

[Infinite_limit]

disagree. Germans played pretty well of course, they are Krautland after all. But the skill of the africans was evident, they smoked the German defenders a good percentage of the time. Obviously when Ghana scored the 2nd goal, Krauts hit the panic button and sent the entire Panzer batallion to the fronts which easily allowed for the tie goal. But Krauts cannot play like this the 90 minutes, they cannot sustain it, especially with the african players creating dangerous counterattack after dangerous counterattack.

IMO Ghana deserved the win yesterday.
Ghana is the best African team in the Tournament & probably 2nd best in the Group. And I will be sad to see them not reach the Knockout Stage (most likely). It was probably the best 45 minutes of action so far (As the analyst said).

[Robz4000]

The US is advancing, even with a loss. Portugal will either tie or beat the africans, hence pushing the US through.

Idk, Yurop has been getting a train run on itself by Africa and South America tbh.

[Infinite_limit]

Idk, Yurop has been getting a train run on itself by Africa and South America tbh.
Is that what Kayne said?

[hater]

Ghana is the best African team in the Tournament & probably 2nd best in the Group. And I will be sad to see them not reach the Knockout Stage (most likely). It was probably the best 45 minutes of action so far (As the analyst said).

:tu

and the 10 minutes or so between the 2nd Ghana goal and the German goal was some amazingly dominating game by the Krauts :wow

if the Krauts played like this for 90 minutes they could win the Cup by raping teams. But I guess they cannot sustain that effort throughout the 90 minutes thus why they "fall asleep" at times

[Infinite_limit]

:tu

and the 10 minutes or so between the 2nd Ghana goal and the German goal was some amazingly dominating game by the Krauts :wow

if the Krauts played like this for 90 minutes they could win the Cup by raping teams. But I guess they cannot sustain that effort throughout the 90 minutes thus why they "fall asleep" at times
I'd prefer to move Lahm back to his natural position, fill his MF void by a top player off the bench. Fullback is the biggest weakness, why not fill it with Lahm

[Darth_Pelican]

Ghana is the Golden State Warriors of soccer. Them nigglets are fun to watch but their swiss cheese defense concedes too many goals.

[hater]

on second thought them Krauts are the one who gonna avenge the Dresden Bombing and the tapping of Angela Merkel imo :lol

[Infinite_limit]

on second thought them Krauts are the one who gonna avenge the Dresden Bombing and the tapping of Angela Merkel imo :lol
From what I've seen, Bradley is the best American MF? The Germans will have a field day in the midfield.

[DMX7]

:lol was that the game where the players just stopped playing in the 80 minute mark? that shit was hilarious

Against Austria, Hitler's true home, no less. :lol

[Franklin]

Damn it, I thought head2head matchup winner holds the tie-breaker :depressed

But still I don't see Portugal losing it, Portuguese need to fight for honor even if not for the sake of qualification.

[Infinite_limit]

Damn it, I thought head2head matchup winner holds the tie-breaker :depressed

But still I don't see Portugal losing it, Portuguese need to fight for honor even if not for the sake of qualification.
How you like American MF holding up against Germany?

I don't see Germany drawing a 2nd straight match

[it's me]

Cristina's next hair cut.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqxZqgzCAAAD20P.jpg:large

[Jodelo]

Sad to see that Ronaldo is not even at 70%.

But since he is playing, he should have no excuses! If you are injured (you can see he is), don't play.

GER can even afford to lose (normal results though), +4 to -1 GD... But they will go for the win!

[lefty]

Cristina's next hair cut.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqxZqgzCAAAD20P.jpg:large
What idiots dont know is the story behind his actual hair cut; it's for a good cause

[it's me]

What idiots dont know is the story behind his actual hair cut; it's for a good cause

I knew that.... I just found this picture funny.... and suits her pretty well.

[lefty]

I knew that.... I just found this picture funny.... and suits her pretty well.
ok

[Infinite_limit]

The penis is too large

[TacoCabanaFajitas]

Even injured, you can see Ronaldo was able to hit a gear above everyone else on the pitch. Dude is so fluid with the ball and moves effortlessly through traffic.

[IrisHockey]

Germany vs Holland final, Holland takes it..

[apalisoc_9]

I hate how ronaldo is used in the World cup..They need to feed him the ball and allow him to create. He barely touched the ball the whole game but with minimal touches he was able to make a difference..

[DAF86]

I hate how ronaldo is used in the World cup..They need to feed him the ball and allow him to create. He barely touched the ball the whole game but with minimal touches he was able to make a difference..

lol wanting the king of taps in to create.

[Franklin]

Germany vs Holland final, Holland takes it..
The Reich will take it imho, whoever they face in the final. Holland's defense is still poor as fuck and no team could win the WC with shitty defense, imho.

[hater]

:lol Germany is not winning shit :lol

they almost get shit on by afrikaners imo

[Franklin]

The eventual champion team wouldn't win all games in the group stage since 06 imho. Italy drew with US in 06 while Espana lost their first game to Switzerland in 10.

[Franklin]

You're a fag though and I'm glad you didn't predict Reich to win it all, you said the Great Satan would backdoor sweep us after game 1, even when we were leading the series 3-1 you still insisted the cHeat would come back and win the series. You're even a shittier version of Irishocky, tbh.

[hater]

The eventual champion team wouldn't win all games in the group stage since 06 imho. Italy drew with US in 06 while Espana lost their first game to Switzerland in 10.

valid point. but imo they don't look hungry. they look old and slouchy

and that coach Lowe is eating too many boogers up in that bench tbh

[hater]

You're a fag though and I'm glad you didn't predict Reich to win it all, you said the Great Satan would backdoor sweep us after game 1, even when we were leading the series 3-1 you still insisted the cHeat would come back and win the series. You're even a shittier version of Irishocky, tbh.

and you pretended to be a spursfan throughout the whole ordeal and still do :lol

[Venti Quattro]

Me when Portugal scored :lol

http://i.minus.com/iWZDSbMkRn9Fn.gif

I'm making a DEAL WITH IT gif with this when I have time tomorrow

[lefty]

I'm making a DEAL WITH IT gif with this when I have time tomorrow
That would actually ruin the GIF

[Venti Quattro]

That would actually ruin the GIF

Can't be worse than your brethren ruining the World Trade Center...

[lefty]

Can't be worse than your brethren ruining the World Trade Center...
worst comeback ever, Salim :lol

[MannyIsGod]

We got this.

[SAtown]

I'm making a DEAL WITH IT gif with this when I have time tomorrow

I was hoping someone would when i saw this live on saturday. Although it'd have been much better if Messi had scored that and the crowd had been going crazy in the background tbh

[DMX7]

We got this.

Damn straight. Back to Back World War Champs gonna wreck shop!

[hater]

Damn straight. Back to Back World War Champs gonna wreck shop!

Russia is winning it?

[DMX7]

Russia is winning it?

U.S.A. the only real superpower; USSR is no more.

[hater]

we all know Germany surrendered because Russia was about to turn them back into the dinosaur age :lmao

[Infinite_limit]

U.S.A. the only real superpower; USSR is no more.
USA was still playing Baseball while the Soviets were pushing Nazis back to Berlin

[DMX7]

USA was still playing Baseball while the Soviets were pushing Nazis back to Berlin

We let them take berlin and the casualties.

[hater]

USA was still playing Baseball while the Soviets were pushing Nazis back to Berlin

true. Is this not in the US history books? The red army was at the doorsteps about to come in and raze entire german population.

Red Army would have made The Holocaust seem like toddler's play imo :lol

is this not in the US history books??

[Infinite_limit]

true. Is this not in the US history books? The red army was at the doorsteps about to come in and raze entire german population.

Red Army would have made The Holocaust seem like toddler's play imo :lol

is this not in the US history books??
In grade school, Eastern Front is treated as an after thought. D-Day is viewed as the turning point of the War.

You have to take History in College to get a more realistic perspective.

[DMX7]

true. Is this not in the US history books? The red army was at the doorsteps about to come in and raze entire german population.

Red Army would have made The Holocaust seem like toddler's play imo :lol

is this not in the US history books??

About to? they did go into Berlin and razed as many people as they could till the surrender was official

[DMX7]

In grade school, Eastern Front is treated as an after thought. D-Day is viewed as the turning point of the War.

You have to take History in College to get a more realistic perspective.

or watch an hour of the history channel, but D-Day was a turning point

[hater]

D-Day is viewed as the turning point of the War.

is this true??? :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

who wrote their history books? Walt Disney? :lol

[DMX7]

is this true??? :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

who wrote their history books? Walt Disney? :lol

D-Day led to a second front being opened up against the Germans; it was hugely consequential. With that the allies also bombed the shit out of Berlin to prep it for the Soviets so that they would take the big casualties.

[Infinite_limit]

is this true??? :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

who wrote their history books? Walt Disney? :lol
It's done to discredit the Soviets. Also to avoid questioning why it took so long to USA get involved and ultimately why they landed on Europe at all (Keep USSR from moving West)

[DMX7]

lol, gonna try to give credit to the Soviets for Japan too? They helped, but we nuked Japan... that helped more.

[Infinite_limit]

D-Day led to a second front being opened up against the Germans; it was hugely consequential. With that the allies also bombed the shit out of Berlin to prep it for the Soviets so that they would take the big casualties.
Hitler gave up on the West at that point. He was practically begging for the Allies to reach Berlin first.

[hater]

D-Day led to a second front being opened up against the Germans; it was hugely consequential. With that the allies also bombed the shit out of Berlin to prep it for the Soviets so that they would take the big casualties.

:lol the fighting in the Western front was about 5 times smaller than the Eastern front. 35 million Russians died in that conflict.

there is a reason Germany chose to conquer the West, rather than East

[xellos88330]

Man, I hope the US at least ties Germany. It would suck to not get a point after that late goal vs. Portugal.

[DMX7]

Hitler gave up on the West at that point. He was practically begging for the Allies to reach Berlin first.

The Soviets were part of the Allies.

Moreover, Hitler didn't give up on the West immediately after D-Day... the battle of the bulge? He had to devote resources to try and break up the western allies.

[DMX7]

:lol the fighting in the Western front was about 5 times smaller than the Eastern front. 35 million Russians died in that conflict.

there is a reason Germany chose to conquer the West, rather than East

Taking the most casualties doesn't mean you win the war. Besides, you're thinking of Hitler's main offensive on the Soviets (i.e, Stalingrad). They didn't take nearly as many fatal causalities (less than 100K) in the Battle of Berlin.

[hater]

it wasn't about entering Berlin. It was about fighting more than the rest of the Allies combined, giving free hand to your generals to wage the war and coming out with the most territory, largest tank army and most experience combat army in the world. Russians also inflicted 5 times the casualties than the rest of the allies combined.

tbh the allies just supported the Russian invasion.

[DMX7]

there is a reason Germany chose to conquer the West, rather than East

lol, wut? Germany absolutely tried to conquer the east, their advance to Moscow got stopped by the Russian winter and the soviet/siberian reinforcements who were ready for those conditions.

[hater]

lol, wut? Germany absolutely tried to conquer the east, their advance to Moscow got stopped by the Russian winter and the soviet/siberian reinforcements who were ready for those conditions.

mmm you got half the story right. Stalin moved his factories to the east so they can keep producing weapons to take the land back, and they did.

[DMX7]

it wasn't about entering Berlin. It was about fighting more than the rest of the Allies combined, giving free hand to your generals to wage the war and coming out with the most territory, largest tank army and most experience combat army in the world. Russians also inflicted 5 times the casualties than the rest of the allies combined.

tbh the allies just supported the Russian invasion.

The Soviets made it into a war of attrition on the Eastern front... but USA got the ultimate victory. Soviets took the most casualties and did the dirty work. Soviet Union eventually collapsed. Germany was reunited (like USA wanted all along to keep Soviets from taking it over) and USA emerged as sole super power.

[Infinite_limit]

American contribution is noted as selling/offering weapons to USSR & UK. But in terms of fighting Nazis head on, there was very little.

[xellos88330]

The Soviets would have eventually defeated Germany without D-Day or the strategic bombing campaign. The second front was opened because the USA and England feared the idea of a communist dominated Europe. They were merely fighting for position over what would happen to Europe after Germany surrenders. I think the only reason why USA and England had a say in what happened in Europe is because the USSR didn't quite have nukes yet.

[Infinite_limit]

The Soviets would have eventually defeated Germany without D-Day or the strategic bombing campaign. The second front was opened because the USA and England feared the idea of a communist dominated Europe. They were merely fighting for position over what would happen to Europe after Germany surrenders. I think the only reason why USA and England had a say in what happened in Europe is because the USSR didn't quite have nukes yet.
This is spot on. I remember seeing on "Oliver Stone USA Untold History" series, something to the extent that after WW2 the USA controlled 65-70% of the Globes Wealth. And the next 40 years was spent trying to hold onto that advantage.

[IronMaxipad]

Can't be worse than your brethren ruining the World Trade Center...
:lol

[xellos88330]

This is spot on. I remember seeing on "Oliver Stone USA Untold History" series, something to the extent that after WW2 the USA controlled 65-70% of the Globes Wealth. And the next 40 years was spent trying to hold onto that advantage.

:toast

[velik_m]

lol, gonna try to give credit to the Soviets for Japan too? They helped, but we nuked Japan... that helped more.

Not really.


As the United States dropped its atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945, 1.6 million Soviet troops launched a surprise attack on the Japanese army occupying eastern Asia. Within days, Emperor Hirohito's million-man army in the region had collapsed.

It was a momentous turn on the Pacific battleground of World War II, yet one that would be largely eclipsed in the history books by the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the same week 65 years ago. But in recent years some historians have argued that the Soviet action served as effectively as - or possibly more than - the A-bombs in ending the war.

Now a new history by a professor at UC Santa Barbara seeks to reinforce that view, arguing that fear of Soviet invasion persuaded the Japanese to opt for surrender to the Americans, who they believed would treat them more generously than the Soviets.

Japan's forces in northeast Asia first tangled with the Russians in 1939 when the Japanese army tried to invade Mongolia. Their crushing defeat at the battle of Khalkin Gol induced Tokyo to sign a neutrality pact that kept the USSR out of the Pacific war.

Tokyo turned its focus to confronting U.S., British and Dutch forces instead, which led to the Pearl Harbor attack on Dec. 7, 1941.
...

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/How-the-Soviets-helped-Allies-defeat-Japan-3177012.php

Also how did i end up in politics subforum?

[hater]

Those are facts ^

Omg dont tell me americans believe they beat japan with 2 measly nukes???? :lol :wow

[DMX7]

Not really.


Yes, really.

Emperor Hirohito, Radio Broadcast Announcing Surrender & Accepting the Potsdam Declaration:



To our good and loyal subjects: After pondering deeply the general trends of the world and the actual conditions obtaining in our empire today, we have decided to effect a settlement of the present situation by resorting to an extraordinary measure.

We have ordered our Government to communicate to the Governments of the United States, Great Britain, China and the Soviet Union that our empire accepts the provisions of their joint declaration.

To strive for the common prosperity and happiness of all nations as well as the security and well-being of our subjects is the solemn obligation which has been handed down by our imperial ancestors and which we lay close to the heart.

Indeed, we declared war on America and Britain out of our sincere desire to insure Japan's self-preservation and the stabilization of East Asia, it being far from our thought either to infringe upon the sovereignty of other nations or to embark upon territorial aggrandizement.

But now the war has lasted for nearly four years. Despite the best that has been done by everyone--the gallant fighting of our military and naval forces, the diligence and assiduity of out servants of the State and the devoted service of our 100,000,000 people--the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage, while the general trends of the world have all turned against her interest.

Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is, indeed, incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should we continue to fight, it would not only result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization.

Such being the case, how are we to save the millions of our subjects, nor to atone ourselves before the hallowed spirits of our imperial ancestors? This is the reason why we have ordered the acceptance of the provisions of the joint declaration of the powers.

[DMX7]

Those are facts ^

Omg dont tell me americans believe they beat japan with 2 measly nukes???? :lol :wow

Winston Churchill, Interview on the American's use of the atomic bomb:


We had contemplated the desperate resistance of the Japanese fighting to the death with Samurai devotion, not only in pitched battles, but in every cave and dug-out. I had in my mind the spectacle of Okinawa island, where many thousands of Japanese, rather than surrender, had drawn up in a line and destroyed themselves by hand-grenades after their leaders had solemnly performed the rite of harakiri . To quell the Japanese resistance man by man and conquer the country yard by yard might well require the loss of a million American lives and half that number of British --or more if we could get them there: for we were resolved to share the agony. Now all this nightmare picture had vanished. In its place was the vision --fair and bright indeed it seemed --of the end of the whole war in one or two violent shocks....

Moreover, we should not need the Russians. The end of the Japanese war no longer depended upon the pouring in of their armies for the final and perhaps protracted slaughter. We had no need to ask favours of them.... We seemed suddenly to have become possessed of a merciful abridgment of the slaughter in the East and a far happier prospect in Europe...

[velik_m]

Yes, really.

Emperor Hirohito, Radio Broadcast Announcing Surrender & Accepting the Potsdam Declaration:


Finally, one other fact about timing creates a striking problem. On August 8, Foreign Minister Togo Shigenori went to Premier Suzuki Kantaro and asked that the Supreme Council be convened to discuss the bombing of Hiroshima, but its members declined. So the crisis didn't grow day by day until it finally burst into full bloom on August 9. Any explanation of the actions of Japan's leaders that relies on the "shock" of the bombing of Hiroshima has to account for the fact that they considered a meeting to discuss the bombing on August 8, made a judgment that it was too unimportant, and then suddenly decided to meet to discuss surrender the very next day. Either they succumbed to some sort of group schizophrenia, or some other event was the real motivation to discuss surrender.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/05/29/the_bomb_didnt_beat_japan_nuclear_world_war_ii

[MannyIsGod]

Who fucking cares? STFU with this WW2 shit. I'm here to talk about the fucking world cup. Stalin isn't going to come out of a tunnel and score 3 goals so who fucking cares. God damn.

[Infinite_limit]

Who fucking cares? STFU with this WW2 shit. I'm here to talk about the fucking world cup. Stalin isn't going to come out of a tunnel and score 3 goals so who fucking cares. God damn.
An American started it. . . .

[The Gemini Method]

Who fucking cares? STFU with this WW2 shit. I'm here to talk about the fucking world cup. Stalin isn't going to come out of a tunnel and score 3 goals so who fucking cares. God damn.

That would be pretty cool though. To see Stalin come out for Russia, Hitler play goalkeeper for the Nazis, FDR popping wheelies as a center back, and fucking Emperor Hirohito surrendering a header...Mussolini and Churchill? Fuck 'em they're done for.

[DMX7]

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/05/29/the_bomb_didnt_beat_japan_nuclear_world_war_ii

That's not persuasive -- really just speculation and innuendo riddled with omissions. The capacity to level a city in one blow while taking zero casulaities in return is a game changer; it's silly to pretend otherwise. If you were a head of state, and your country were getting nuked city by city with absolutely nothing you could do, you would surrender whereas the Japs (known as fanatical fighters) could have at least mounted a resistance against the soviets (however futile it would be) if there were no nuclear bomb. But there was simply nothing they could do about nukes -- completely defenessless.

"Should we continue to fight, it would not only result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization."

I'll let this thread return to soccer, but I think I made my point.

[velik_m]

I'll let this thread return to soccer, but I think I made my point.

Why, yes, let's not the facts get in the way of a good story. Back to soccer.

[tlongII]

U.S.A. 1 - U.S.S.R. 0

[Franklin]

The Soviets would have eventually defeated Germany without D-Day or the strategic bombing campaign. The second front was opened because the USA and England feared the idea of a communist dominated Europe. They were merely fighting for position over what would happen to Europe after Germany surrenders. I think the only reason why USA and England had a say in what happened in Europe is because the USSR didn't quite have nukes yet.
They should've signed truce with Reich and sent supports to them so they could fight the commies a bit longer. It was in the Allies interest to see both sides (commies and Reich) fight to their last blood, imho.

[Franklin]

And the intensity of battles couldn't be merely reflected by numbers. Allies were fighting Hitler youth in the west who probably hadn't even had the experience of shooting semen, let alone shooting bullets. If Hitler and Stalin had reached a truce after D-day, the allied pussies would've fled back to Britain in a minute, tbh.

[xellos88330]

And the intensity of battles couldn't be merely reflected by numbers. Allies were fighting Hitler youth in the west who probably hadn't even had the experience of shooting semen, let alone shooting bullets. If Hitler and Stalin had reached a truce after D-day, the allied pussies would've fled back to Britain in a minute, tbh.

Actually I read somewhere that they were breeding the Hitler youth. They would stage parties with other "Pure blood Aryan" female teens and let them fuck like crazy. It is probably a reason why they were so fanatical. If they fight and believe, they get all the pussy they want.

[in2deep]

:lol this thread

[DMX7]

Why, yes, let's not the facts get in the way of a good story. Back to soccer.

whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Venti Quattro]

Let's do this... FREEDOM FOR THE WIN!
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[Franklin]

The Wehrmacht didn't fight for pussies, they fought for glories imho.

[IrisHockey]

The Reich will stomp a mudhole and walk it dry tomorrow morning..

[hater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrB4rX4CAAEWeX6.jpg

[hater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrBnLihCQAIwgt9.jpg

[hater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrBUBlVCYAABIZR.jpg

[hater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrA_3LpIAAAh4TN.jpg

[hater]

:lmao I swear this motherfucking Kraut coach is picking his nose most of the time :lmao

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bq-xAtQCIAAbOD_.jpg

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

http://www.condospelotas.es/wp-content/uploads/blogger/-s_AKEaOaf3o/UEc0bXmjUyI/AAAAAAAAARE/gAV-mYwMH0Q/s1600/escape-to-victory.jpg

http://www.michaelcaine.org/03CainePosters/1981%20Escape%20to%20Victory/UKquad.jpg

May the best Nazi win

[it's me]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CvOYXU53TBo

[hater]

can you imagine if this booger eater wins a world cup??? :lol

[it's me]

And there's more :lmao


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIvXyu1N5Yw&feature=player_detailpage

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:lol What the fuck is wrong with this guy

[IronMaxipad]

gonna miss the games tomorrow and the wifi at work is shit :cry

[Venti Quattro]

http://www.condospelotas.es/wp-content/uploads/blogger/-s_AKEaOaf3o/UEc0bXmjUyI/AAAAAAAAARE/gAV-mYwMH0Q/s1600/escape-to-victory.jpg

http://www.michaelcaine.org/03CainePosters/1981%20Escape%20to%20Victory/UKquad.jpg

May the best Nazi win

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Inglourious-Basterds.jpg

[Thebesteva]

USA! USA!

[Sportstudi]

Boateng has left Ghana's team (same for Muntari) after having some heavy dispute with coach Appiah :lmao

[dfens]

i'll post it again.

http://i59.tinypic.com/10d63gi.jpg

[dfens]

Boateng has left Ghana's team (same for Muntari) after having some heavy dispute with coach Appiah :lmao

"nigga we suppose to lose to usa, draw with nazi and then beat portugal, watchu sayin we losing to portugal too? " :lmao

[baseline bum]

Go Deutschland!

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/232/c/b/nazi_flag_edit_by_themistrunsred-d5brh2m.png

Fatherland 4
Shitty US Team 0

[Venti Quattro]

Boateng has left Ghana's team (same for Muntari) after having some heavy dispute with coach Appiah :lmao

Muntari assaulted a team management member
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[lefty]

LIRL

[Muser]

Don't know the whole story yet, but lol Ghana

[lefty]

Venti,

Do you follow someone who retweets all that shit ? :lol

[Muser]

And go USA!

[lefty]

USA and Germany with the rigged draw :lol

[Venti Quattro]

Venti,

Do you follow someone who retweets all that shit ? :lol

A friend from the CIA showed it to me because Ghana's welfare as a footballing nation is a matter of United States interest right now.

[lefty]

A friend from the CIA showed it to me because Ghana's welfare as a footballing nation is a matter of United States interest right now.
I see :lol

[Relevancy]

You gringos better win

[Aztecfan03]

Boateng has left Ghana's team (same for Muntari) after having some heavy dispute with coach Appiah :lmao

Looks like U.S. moves on unless they get blown out

[Aztecfan03]

Germany-U.S.A. game might get rained out. ref has to decide if the field is playable.

edit: Pitch is "operational" No reason to envisage a delay.

[lefty]

http://static03.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads/gallery/hail-hydra/hailhydra9.jpg

[lefty]

FIFAWorldCup @FIFAWorldCup
#GER LINE-UP: Neuer, Howedes, Hummels, Schweinsteiger, Ozil, Podolski, Muller, Lahm (c), Mertesacker, Kroos, Boateng #USAGER #WorldCup

[Darth_Pelican]

shitty weather but at least they are playing.

[Venti Quattro]

FIFAWorldCup @FIFAWorldCup
#GER LINE-UP: Neuer, Howedes, Hummels, Schweinsteiger, Ozil, Podolski, Muller, Lahm (c), Mertesacker, Kroos, Boateng #USAGER #WorldCup



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[RD2191]

:wakeup

[Venti Quattro]

For the other game
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[TE]

The Nazi's are gonna blitzkrieg the US tbh.

Just dont lose by too much, pls :cry

[Venti Quattro]

The Nazi's are gonna blitzkrieg the US tbh.

Just dont lose by too much, pls :cry

:cry revenge for Dresden tbh

[it's me]

Cristina with a few penaldos and taking her shirt off.

[NASpurs]

All three wankers are playing :cry

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Back to back world war champs faggots, believe...

[Infinite_limit]

PODOLSKI starting.

All the Non-Native Germans not signing. Hahah

[Darth_Pelican]

great, a terrorist head official. we're fucked

[Infinite_limit]

Back to back world war champs faggots, believe...
Russia is playing tomorrow

[Infinite_limit]

American midfield rescued by the Rain

[Relevancy]

It looks to me so far that the germans wont have mercy on the usa..

[Darth_Pelican]

Fuuckkkk Ronaldo off the post!!

[Aztecfan03]

Russia is playing tomorrow

RUssia, U.S., U.K., and France were all a part of the Allies.

[NASpurs]

:lol US defense

[Infinite_limit]

RUssia, U.S., U.K., and France were all a part of the Allies.
Alot of countries jumped the pile and were "part of the allies"

[Venti Quattro]

:lol US defense

Blame the defense spending cuts, tbh

[Darth_Pelican]

It's looking like US is going to lose this game 3-0, so it's going to be up to Portugal for them to get through

[Malik Hairston]

Wow, this is just a clinic, so far..

Has the US even crossed the mid-line yet?:lol..

[Infinite_limit]

It's looking like US is going to lose this game 3-0, so it's going to be up to Portugal for them to get through
Deutschland pulling a Bayern and dominating ball possession. Still have to put ball in net though

[NASpurs]

Blame the defense spending cuts, tbh

:lol good one

[Relevancy]

God damn look at all those wide waps that the usa is giving. Their defense looks shaky as fuck.

[Baam]

Wow that save for Ghana :wow

[Libri]

Too much open space for Germany

[Infinite_limit]

Too much open space for Germany
Germany looks slower in the rain. USA looks pedestrian.

[Relevancy]

Damn that was a lovely usa counter attack

[Baam]

:lol taken out by the ref

[Sportstudi]

Jones :lmao

[Darth_Pelican]

Terrorist ref gets involved

[davidbowie]

suprised the us isn't down by 2 goals tbh

[Baam]

Portugal scored...

[NASpurs]

:lmao Ghana

[Venti Quattro]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao Ghana

[NASpurs]

Fucking stupid o.g.

[Baam]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao Ghana

Such a ridiculous auto goal...

[Darth_Pelican]

Thank you Portugal!!!

[davidbowie]

yessssss portugal:hat

[Baam]

Jermaine Jones is pretty good tbh

[Venti Quattro]

Such a ridiculous auto goal...

Fancy clearance turned bad... :lol

[Infinite_limit]

Deutschland needs Lahm on the outside. Boateng sending crosses in the box lol.

[TE]

Fucking terrorist ref

[Venti Quattro]

:lol :lol
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[TE]

Bradley is ASS

[Relevancy]

They should just tie now.

[Blizzardwizard]

There was clearly an agreement before the game, so who do USA play in next round?

[Thebesteva]

They should have Bradley and Zusi executed at half time. Awful fucking players

[Venti Quattro]

There was clearly an agreement before the game, so who do USA play in next round?

The Belgians

[Infinite_limit]

There was clearly an agreement before the game, so who do USA play in next round?
Belgium. 2nd Tier title contender. USA could surprise

[xellos88330]

The both teams had some good chances, but couldn't convert. I hope the US defense doesn't tire out, and those control issues around the opponents box are cleaned up.

[Sportstudi]

There was clearly an agreement before the game, so who do USA play in next round?

Belgium

[diego]

Clear as day penalty for Ghana, not to mention b. Alves repeatedly fouling from behind to stop attacks down his flank, a studs up late tackle from moutinho (who also shoved the defender on the own goal). And the Portuguese have the gall to pester the ref at the end of the half they should be licking his balls

[Muser]

Gonzalez just kept USA in this game.

[Sportstudi]

Let's see what Klose can do. Honestly, wouldn't surprise me if he scores today.

[NASpurs]

Like no one saw this 0-0 draw coming.

[Infinite_limit]

Let's see what Klose can do. Honestly, wouldn't surprise me if he scores today.
He will

[Sportstudi]

You just got Mullered!

[Blizzardwizard]

Uh oh

[Muser]

That was coming. USA been sitting back since the half started.

[Kyle Orton]

Bradley is terrible lmao

[RD2191]

:downspin:

[NASpurs]

Oops then

[Sportstudi]

Like no one saw this 0-0 draw coming.

Fail :lol

[Baam]

Ghana scored lol

:lol Portugal

[NASpurs]

:lmao Portugal

[Sportstudi]

Ghana scored lol

lol ports

[RD2191]

Fawk, we better move on.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

How are the fat yanks not down by at least 3 goals, tbh..

[Aztecfan03]

Fricken idiot announcers. Ghana tying the game was not good because they are one goal away from passing the U.S.

[Blizzardwizard]

Another Ghana goal = uh oh big time