HBO Original Series - The Leftovers

[TE]

Premiers on June 29, 2014.


So it's suppose to be some freaky Lost-ish type shit were people vanish in a global rapture and people are left behind. Sounds decent enough to watch and since the co-creator of Lost had a hand in this I will watch as well.

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[cantthinkofanything]

I didn't watch Lost but anything that HBO throws out, I'll usually give it a few episodes at least.

[TE]

Are you guys ready for this? It premieres tonight! :D

[Jacob1983]

WTF? I thought it premiered last week. I've been looking on the shitty Time Warner Cable on demand for a week for it. I just wonder if it's going to be like Lost and The 4400

[Jacob1983]

Bump. Just watched it. It was pretty good. I guess it's the opposite of The 4400 and the show is really about the leftovers.

[Huey Freeman]

Bump. Just watched it. It was pretty good. I guess it's the opposite of The 4400 and the show is really about the leftovers.

Thanks, got it saved on DVR. Plan on watching eventually.

[JudynTX]

I'm watching.

Good read right here. http://polarbearstv.com/2014/06/30/the-leftovers-pilot-review-1x01/

[leemajors]

was a little boring.

[to21]

I'm gonna give it another shot with episode 2.

[Gummi Clutch]

Jill is fucking hot.

[200 miles]

What's the story behind that cult and their predilection for cigarettes?

[sook]

Jill is fucking hot.

seriously. Probably the only reason I kept watching.

[Reck]

I'll watch the whole season later.

[johnsmith]

I thought it was boring but I feel like I will keep watching because it was just intriguing enough to make me want to see the point.

[TE]

The show is weird. I feel like it's building up to something. Very dark, people in that 'fuck, I'm frustrated with everything including my life at home/work etc' mode.

[TE]

oh yeah, dat Wire reference imo.

[leemajors]

incredibly boring show tbh

[TE]

incredibly boring show tbh

keep watching :tu

[Spurs da champs]

The show is weird. I feel like it's building up to something. Very dark, people in that 'fuck, I'm frustrated with everything including my life at home/work etc' mode.
I agree, but so far it's been a big mess.

[leemajors]

keep watching :tu

I don't mind slow moving shows (big Downton and Mad Men fan) but there hasn't been anything terribly compelling through two episodes.

[to21]

^Exactly! I'll give it one more episode because the premise of the show is intriguing. This time I'm gonna complain there's too much character development (yes even for just being into episode 2) and it needs more bang.

[sook]

need Jill to take off her bra in one of the episodes and I'll commit.

[cantthinkofanything]

^Exactly! I'll give it one more episode because the premise of the show is intriguing. This time I'm gonna complain there's too much character development (yes even for just being into episode 2) and it needs more bang.

probably wait until season 2 gets picked up and people are raving about it...then watch all of season 1 in a couple of days

[Jacob1983]

The Doctor Who episode tonight was good.

[Spur-Addict]

Usually with shows such as these that are kind of awkward and slow building, there is a moment of greatness that occurs between the semi mundane. And that's exactly what happened after Matt Jamison left the casino. The yell, then Captain and Tennille playing afterwards had tears rolling down my face in laughter. Seriously, if nobody else found that funny, check your pulse.

[TE]

Did anybody see the stoning of that old woman? Holy fuck that was traumatizing to watch.

[Spurs da champs]

Did anybody see the stoning of that old woman? Holy fuck that was traumatizing to watch.
I turned the other way man, I can handle Game of Thrones' gore, but the stoning is just on a whole other level of brutality.

[TE]

I turned the other way man, I can handle Game of Thrones' gore, but the stoning is just on a whole other level of brutality.
That scene stuck with me throughout the episode and the rest of the night. It was easily the most brutal thing I've ever seen in terms of TV shows.

[RD2191]

That scene stuck with me throughout the episode and the rest of the night. It was easily the most brutal thing I've ever seen in terms of TV shows.
Reminds me of my "shit you shouldn't watch on the internet" binge a couple of years back. I couldn't sleep for days. It's crazy how that stuff messes with your mind.

[TE]

Reminds me of my "shit you shouldn't watch on the internet" binge a couple of years back. I couldn't sleep for days. It's crazy how that stuff messes with your mind.
Yeah :lol

tbh I was expecting more of the same from the show...that scene was the first of this episode...it kinda just got thrown in the episode. I've been reading online and some people are being heavily critical about the scene. So much that they'll stop watching the show altogether...I wouldn't do that personally but I understand if people are sensitive to that shit.

[Medvedenko]

After episode 3 the show has progressed nicely. I like the forboding vibe and melancholy of each episode. And yes, that stoning scene was a heart stopper.

[JudynTX]

I'm still not sure what this show is about, TBH.

[Jacob1983]

Anyone see the pre departure episode last night? Freaky seeing the Kevin guy cheat on his wife and then the woman he was screwing just disappeared. Nice booty though.

[TE]

Holy fuck I thought this show lost itself during season 1. Caught up with season 2 and shit it's gotten really good. The most recent episode is one of the greatest I've seen.

[Leebrix]

Holy fuck I thought this show lost itself during season 1. Caught up with season 2 and shit it's gotten really good. The most recent episode is one of the greatest I've seen.

I mentioned it in another thread.. s2 is better than 1. Last episode was crazy

[TE]

I mentioned it in another thread.. s2 is better than 1. Last episode was crazy
Yup. I'm still trying to wrap my head around that last episode. It was on some level of greatness hardly reached. So many different themes and symbolisms all while culminating the ending of Patti in Garvey's subconscious (or is it?). That last scene in the well was tough to watch tbh. You almost feel sorry for a character like hers after her unsettling and abusive relationship is unearthed. The earthquakes, are they a bridge between our lively dimension and that "other place"?

I absolutely love what they're doing with this show. Hopefully it continues and isn't ended.

[Leebrix]

Yup. I'm still trying to wrap my head around that last episode. It was on some level of greatness hardly reached. So many different themes and symbolisms all while culminating the ending of Patti in Garvey's subconscious (or is it?). That last scene in the well was tough to watch tbh. You almost feel sorry for a character like hers after her unsettling and abusive relationship is unearthed. The earthquakes, are they a bridge between our lively dimension and that "other place"?

I absolutely love what they're doing with this show. Hopefully it continues and isn't ended.

There were so many symbolic metaphors and red herrings it almost seems you have to watch it twice to catch them all. Lindelof at his finest.

[Spur-Addict]

I agree, this show has picked up the pace and it has leap frogged other shows that I have been watching. Especially with the development of Kevin's character.

[TE]

So the Guilty Remnant was behind the disappearance of those girls. Now a few questions come to surface: What happened to the water in the lake? Is the Guilty Remnant somehow hold a modicum of responsibility for the general departure? With Kevin coming back to life, what will unfold in Jarden now that his fingerprints were officially found to be on that car window? Why are Kevin's fingerprints even there? Did he go to some place upstairs where he just forgot all about the present moment and acted by direction of Patti?

On that last episode, thank fuck they didn't show the stoning of that kid. I usually like seeing shows take it to the next level with stuff like that, but nah. That grenade scene with the school bus full of presumably elementary students, HOLY SHIT :lol. Fucking brutal, even if the grenade was a fake. As that camera panned out with the school bus in background I thought I would see some horrible shit.

Take the shock value for what its worth. I am, and I am enjoying it.

:lol @ people who aren't watching this show.

[Blake]

Waiting for it to be on Netflix

[Leebrix]

Waiting for it to be on Netflix

It's hbo... Not gonna happen.

[Jacob1983]

Am I the only that thinks season 2 has been really hit or miss? When the episodes are about Kevin, they're good. When the episodes aren't about him, they're shit. That episode about him going to purgatory was epic. Patty is so annoying. I hate that hoe. The episode on Sunday could be the series finale because it hasn't been renewed yet and the ratings for season 2 have been awful. I hope it gets a 3rd season just so the show will explain the departure. Maybe HBO will "Treme" it and give it 4 more episodes in 2016 to wrap it up.

[Leebrix]

God daaaaaaamn that was a good finale.

[Jacob1983]

That episode probably had at least a dozen gif worthy moments. I loved the part in which John walks into the doctor's office and says to Kevin "I killed you" and Kevin says "nope".

[Leebrix]

That episode probably had at least a dozen gif worthy moments. I loved the part in which John walks into the doctor's office and says to Kevin "I killed you" and Kevin says "nope".

Lol I know right... I was thinking to myself, after all that shit he went through, that's exactly what I would of said too.

That karaoke scene.... man. Can't say enough about this season, if they don't renew it I'm gonna be pissed.

GR was even outside hbo headquarters protesting for s3 today

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/leftovers-season-3-fans-campaign-costume-hbo-1201655760/

[JudynTX]

Holy fuck. What a mind blown season finale. :(:depressed I haven't been this emotional since the series finale of LOST. People gave up on this show?

And yes, people are already comparing the two.

PLEASE RENEW SEASON 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The GR that showed up in front of HBO Offices was epic. :D

[Spur-Addict]

They just left Kevin there for what was probably hours. It was light out when John shot him. This season is light years ahead of the first. If it keeps building, season 3 may be the best of all.

[Jacob1983]

Is Kevin basically unkillable? Or just has an amazing will to live? Crazy mofo died 3 times in the season finale. Drowned, poisoned, and shot.

[Leebrix]

Is Kevin basically unkillable? Or just has an amazing will to live? Crazy mofo died 3 times in the season finale. Drowned, poisoned, and shot.

Him trying to drown himself when he was sleepwalking was just showing what happened in ep1... but he didn't kill himself that time, the earthquake happened right after he jumped and drained the creek as he came up from the sand.

The poisoning was the ep before when he had to die to get rid of Patty. But still... coming back from purgatory twice is pretty crazy. I wish he would of made contact with his dad again the second time...

Which brings up more questions for me... since everyone in the hotel is dead/in purgatory, did his dad die too? I know he's not exactly in the hotel but in the tv... he's still able to communicate with him. Have a feeling s3 may take place in Australia.

[Jacob1983]

I know it was a flashback but it was shown in the season finale so he technically dealt with near death or death experiences 3 times in the finale. Kevin tried to kill himself by drowning but the earthquake happened. We saw him come back from purgatory the first time. Finally, we saw him die again and come back from purgatory the 2nd time.

Am I the only one that think the show is a lot better when it focuses on Kevin?

[FkLA]

4 episodes in and I'm still not sure wtf is going on.

[Ron Swanson]

I love this show. The first season was up and down for me, but ended up being good. The second season was amazing. Glad it got picked up for another season.

[Jacob1983]

A 3rd and final season. Are they going to give it 10 to 12 episodes? Or is HBO going to cheat the fans by giving them The Newsroom and Treme treatment? 4 to 6 episodes is a shitty amount for a final season. The Leftovers should get at least 10 episodes in its finale season next year.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

4 episodes in and I'm still not sure wtf is going on.

Stick with it bro has HBO ever failed to deliver?

[Reck]

Good season but I enjoyed the first one more.

For the same reason people mostly didn't like it. It was depressing and kind of a downer show. I liked that it didn't conformed to the expected. Life is not about happy endings.

Also, that music score. Damn

I was worried when Kevin got shot. Definitely thought he wasn't coming back from that one. No Justin=no show for me.

Tom annoyed me this season. What a cuck.

Also, fuck that town. Who wants to live in a place where you can get buried alive 2-3 times a week with those earthquakes? Ridiculous

[JudynTX]

4 episodes in and I'm still not sure wtf is going on.

Stick with it. Season 2 is worth it.

So stoked there will be a Season 3. Final season.

[FkLA]

Yeah, I didn't give up on it. I binge watched it this weekend. The International Assassin episode was pretty amazing, even better than the finale imho.

I still don't get wtf is going on with the GR though. Is their existence truly to just be emotionless living reminders? When that one member wrote out that Meg 'will change everything' I was expecting more than them just simply invading Jarden. I think that's why I wasn't as blown away by the finale as other people. Unless I missed some other meaning behind it, invading Jarden didn't mind fuck me like the International Assassin episode did tbh.

[FkLA]

Good season but I enjoyed the first one more.

For the same reason people mostly didn't like it. It was depressing and kind of a downer show. I liked that it didn't conformed to the expected. Life is not about happy endings.

Also, that music score. Damn

I was worried when Kevin got shot. Definitely thought he wasn't coming back from that one. No Justin=no show for me.

Tom annoyed me this season. What a cuck.

Also, fuck that town. Who wants to live in a place where you can get buried alive 2-3 times a week with those earthquakes? Ridiculous

:lol Don't be a hipster. No way was Season 1 better. There's not a single episode from the first season that even comes close to the International Assassin episode.

[Reck]

:lol Don't be a hipster. No way was Season 1 better. There's not a single episode from the first season that even comes close to the International Assassin episode.

I can name you two.

Two Boats and a Helicopter and Guest.

There really wasn't an episode on season two like those. Maybe besides International Assasin.

[InRareForm]

Just binge watched 2 seasons... Great show.. weird but good

[vy65]

If season 3 matches seasons 1 and 2, this will have to be in the conversation for one of the best television series of all time.

The acting in it, from top to bottom, is amazing. The writing, plot, and symbolism is phenomenal.

Only Mad Men comes close to truly conveying emotion.

[InRareForm]

when they were in the car and then they stop the music and she starts to cry... wow

[TE]

If season 3 matches seasons 1 and 2, this will have to be in the conversation for one of the best television series of all time.

The acting in it, from top to bottom, is amazing. The writing, plot, and symbolism is phenomenal.

Only Mad Men comes close to truly conveying emotion.
I picked up on that brilliance of the acting in season two. Season one was too fucking depressing for me. I will watch it again and I will rewatch season two.

I won't go that far yet to claim this show that way even with an amazing season three but I can see why people would declare it in the pantheon of great shows. Season two alone is one of the greatest I've watched in terms of shows. And I've watched my number of great shows. Idk, it's a matter of opinion.

Gonna start rewatching soon.

[InRareForm]

Season 2 ranks up there with a classic Season of Sopranos.. the wire. .

[RandomGuy]

Just binge watched 2 seasons... Great show.. weird but good

Hmmm. Wife and I are looking for a New Show.

Will check it out.

[vy65]

Hmmm. Wife and I are looking for a New Show.

Will check it out.

You'll hate it

[RandomGuy]

You'll hate it

Watched two episodes already. Interesting plotline.

[FkLA]

when they were in the car and then they stop the music and she starts to cry... wow

The gf just started Season 2. On the first episode of the season, after they leave the lake and are driving back home they turn the music off and go into GR mode too. Didn't catch that the first time around.

[Reck]

I wonder what happens in the hotel with all them dead people in it? Kevin "kills" holy Wayne, Gladys, fake Patti, and Neal and then real Patti to ultimately get back.

What happens to all of them? Obviously they cant die twice so do they wake up the next day and rinse/repeat their dead routine or what?

[InRareForm]

The gf just started Season 2. On the first episode of the season, after they leave the lake and are driving back home they turn the music off and go into GR mode too. Didn't catch that the first time around.

Just watched that again... Interesting

[cd021]

I really liked season one but season 2 was much better.

Fantastic acting throughout, specifically, Regina King.


fascinating plot.

Annoyed that next season will be the last of the series.

BTW, the girl that plays Jill is a dime ( think she's actually a model)

[Reck]

I really liked season one but season 2 was much better.

Fantastic acting throughout, specifically, Regina King.


fascinating plot.

Annoyed that next season will be the last of the series.

BTW, the girl that plays Jill is a dime ( think she's actually a model)

:lol

Why are you annoyed? Its great that its ending naturally and not forced. To be honest, this show was a 1 season thing. The way it ended was just perfect.

What we're getting is icing on the cake.

[cd021]

:lol

Why are you annoyed? Its great that its ending naturally and not forced. To be honest, this show was a 1 season thing. The way it ended was just perfect.

What we're getting is icing on the cake.

Felt like season 2 was such an improvement over the first that i was interested to see how things progressed.

It seems it has more to due with low ratings than anything, if was apparently questionable whether or not it was going to be renewed for a second season.

[monosylab1k]

Caught up on this before season 3 starts. Amazing show. Show writers say they will answer all questions by the finale, they're not leaving any loose ends.

[Reck]

Caught up on this before season 3 starts. Amazing show. Show writers say they will answer all questions by the finale, they're not leaving any loose ends.

Umm I'm skeptical of that.

That's what he said about Lost (Damon Lindelof) and we barely got any answers to the more mystic part of the story.

Kind of bummed that the third season wiill be extra shortened. I initially thought it would be 8 episodes. Just 7.

I know its just one less episode but what the hell. :lol

[Fat Hands]

the title brought me here but what a let down.

[Kim Jong-il]

Umm I'm skeptical of that.

That's what he said about Lost (Damon Lindelof) and we barely got any answers to the more mystic part of the story.

Kind of bummed that the third season wiill be extra shortened. I initially thought it would be 8 episodes. Just 7.

I know its just one less episode but what the hell. :lol
It's 8 episodes. Critics were only given the first 7 episodes in advance.

[Reck]

It's 8 episodes. Critics were only given the first 7 episodes in advance.

That is..smart.

Good to know.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Umm I'm skeptical of that.

That's what he said about Lost (Damon Lindelof) and we barely got any answers to the more mystic part of the story.

Kind of bummed that the third season wiill be extra shortened. I initially thought it would be 8 episodes. Just 7.

I know its just one less episode but what the hell. :lol
No shit? You can't really do anything with a show like this in 7 episodes. That sucks. I'll close it out tho.

[Reck]

Starts tonight.

[JudynTX]

I loved the first episode. Having said that, I'm going to need to watch it again. :lol

[InRareForm]

I was shocked to see everyone come together for a party

Solid first episode.. The foreshadowing really makes me want to see how it develops

[Kim Jong-il]

I wasn't expecting them to go Obama drone strike on the Guilty Remnant :lol although Liv Tyler is listed on all 8 episodes this season, so I'm guessing there's something crazy happening there.

[monosylab1k]

I have no clue what the hell is going on, but I love it so far :lol the Perfect Strangers schtick they kept sprinkling in every so often finally had it's big moment.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I have no clue what the hell is going on, but I love it so far :lol the Perfect Strangers schtick they kept sprinkling in every so often finally had it's big moment.

They mentioned Balki was part of the departure. LMAO

[Amuseddaysleeper]

This is the best show on television. An absolute crime that it has to end in a shortened season.

[InRareForm]

I like how each episode has its own identity in s3

[monosylab1k]

I'm really curious if Liv Tyler shows back up. There's no way the Guilty Remnant is just done.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I'm really curious if Liv Tyler shows back up. There's no way the Guilty Remnant is just done.

They said she's in the credits various episodes this season so probably. Especially if that ugly bitch Evie showed back up.

So is it really only 7 episodes this season? That fag fucker Lindelof, smh, so glad I never watched Lost.

[Monostradamus]

They said she's in the credits various episodes this season so probably. Especially if that ugly bitch Evie showed back up.

So is it really only 7 episodes this season? That fag fucker Lindelof, smh, so glad I never watched Lost.
I think it's 8 episodes, but critics only got to see the first 7.

:cry Cousin Larry is reunited with Balki

[InRareForm]

Only one episode left. Episode 6 was great.

[monosylab1k]

I really wish it could have had a full 10 episodes instead of 8. Last episode felt a little rushed imo.

[SnakeBoy]

So what do you think about how they ended the series?

[InRareForm]

I thought it ended good.... but not great. While it seems typical to use relationship rekindle.... I thought they did a good job of presenting the main focuses in the whole series in that last 15 minutes. Truth, reality, uncertainty, mystery, happiness... etc....

I miss the drama and intensity of 2nd half of s1 and most of s2. season 3 was a bit slow. Show was definitely one of a kind though....

[monosylab1k]

Terrific ending. Loved it. Not perfect, but it's one of the better series finales. Better finale than Mad Men or Breaking Bad, imo.

Despite what the critics say, I thought S1 was the best and S3 the weakest. I enjoyed how the series slowly descended into wackiness, but the serious tone of the first season is more my style.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Yeah I'm cool with how it ended. I like how at first you couldn't tell if this was the future, or an alt reality. Also they informed us of the happenings of most the main characters and what happened to them.
Kinda crazy how the world where a few people were departed turned to shit, and the world where mostly everyone departed seemed to be happier.

Also the bonus of seeing those carrie coon titties was quite nice.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

So was Nora telling the truth or lying?

[TE]

Thought it ended the way it should have.

But I'm still curious about the connection with some of the scenes and plot devices they used in s1 and s2.

Like that scene with the earthquake and cave. Then going back to s2 and those earthquakes. What was the point of that?

Also when Kevin's dad was on his acid trip. How in the fuck was Kevin able to communicate with him through a broken TV?

Just some that jump to mind. There is more.

Great fucking show.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Thought it ended the way it should have.

But I'm still curious about the connection with some of the scenes and plot devices they used in s1 and s2.

Like that scene with the earthquake and cave. Then going back to s2 and those earthquakes. What was the point of that?

Also when Kevin's dad was on his acid trip. How in the fuck was Kevin able to communicate with him through a broken TV?

Just some that jump to mind. There is more.

Great fucking show.

Yeah his dad was on some hallucinogen called God's Tongue or somethin like that lol

[Spurminator]

I liked the ending a lot and it was actually less ambiguous than I thought. The more I think about it, the more I think Nora made up her story, which is a little heartbreaking when you consider all of the lost time but as Kevin said, "You're here now." Closest thing to a Six Feet Under type finale that I've seen since then.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I liked the ending a lot and it was actually less ambiguous than I thought. The more I think about it, the more I think Nora made up her story, which is a little heartbreaking when you consider all of the lost time but as Kevin said, "You're here now." Closest thing to a Six Feet Under type finale that I've seen since then.

Plus the Nun herself said somethin like "makes for a better story" when Nora asked her why she was lying about the love messages.

[SnakeBoy]

Thought it ended the way it should have.

But I'm still curious about the connection with some of the scenes and plot devices they used in s1 and s2.

Like that scene with the earthquake and cave. Then going back to s2 and those earthquakes. What was the point of that?

Also when Kevin's dad was on his acid trip. How in the fuck was Kevin able to communicate with him through a broken TV?

Just some that jump to mind. There is more.

Great fucking show.

I thought the location where the cave girl died looked like the same location as the well that Kevin threw Patti in. And the body double Patti told Kevin something like "our cave collapsed and we can either dig threw the rubble or move on"

[Reck]

I really wish it could have had a full 10 episodes instead of 8. Last episode felt a little rushed imo.

The oposite for me. I wished it was 7 episodes instead of 8. The last one kinds of ruins the whole series, imo.

Just think about how ep 7 ended. It was kind of perfect with Kevin's father realizing that welp, nothing happenned, what now, son? Then end credits.

The ending itself didn't bother me at all. I wasn't looking for key answers or expecting it. This is a Lindelof show and if Lost didn't teach you anything its on you.

But I did feel like the last episode sacrificed the other characters in order to forced what didn't make much sense. I thought the episode was entirely too focused on Kevin playing dumb. I didn't quite like how they relegated the other characters to a quick quip about how they were doing.

Also hated how they faked out the Laurie suicide just to have her make a stupid cameo on the last episode.

I'm going to have to watch the last episode again to see if it changes my mind. I just finished it like 2 days ago so I'm still raw.

[monosylab1k]

The oposite for me. I wished it was 7 episodes instead of 8. The last one kinds of ruins the whole series, imo.

Just think about how ep 7 ended. It was kind of perfect with Kevin's father realizing that welp, nothing happenned, what now, son? Then end credits.

The ending itself didn't bother me at all. I wasn't looking for key answers or expecting it. This is a Lindelof show and if Lost didn't teach you anything its on you.

But I did feel like the last episode sacrificed the other characters in order to forced what didn't make much sense. I thought the episode was entirely too focused on Kevin playing dumb. I didn't quite like how they relegated the other characters to a quick quip about how they were doing.

Also hated how they faked out the Laurie suicide just to have her make a stupid cameo on the last episode.

I'm going to have to watch the last episode again to see if it changes my mind. I just finished it like 2 days ago so I'm still raw.

I was talkig about episode 7 feeling rushed. The final episode was close to perfect. I do agree that the Laurie fake suicide was lame.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Meh. She was going to off herself until her kids called her and she was reminded that life can be pretty cool.

[Reck]

Meh. She was going to off herself until her kids called her and she was reminded that life can be pretty cool.

You read that scene totally wrong then.

If anything that scene with the phone call served one purposed and that was to show that Jill and Tom were totally happy and were ok on their own. They didn't need her anymore.

That character Laurie will go down as probably the worst mom on TV ever.

She never really cared for her family. Not when you think about it.

She tries to kill herself then joins the guilty rennant, treats Kevin and her daughter like shit, almost get her own daughter killed, then recruits her own son to do her dirty work and then get him all depressed and then almost killed.

She doesn't have a good record with them at all. Suddenly she gets a random call and she decides not to kill herself? I dont buy it.

This was one of those switch and bait plots that didn't work in the series. I hated that fake out because her story was complete so having her appear after leading the audience on about her death was a cheap.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

You read that scene totally wrong then.

If anything that scene with the phone call served one purposed and that was to show that Jill and Tom were totally happy and were ok on their own. They didn't need her anymore.

That character Laurie will go down as probably the worst mom on TV ever.

She never really cared for her family. Not when you think about it.

She tries to kill herself then joins the guilty rennant, treats Kevin and her daughter like shit, almost get her own daughter killed, then recruits her own son to do her dirty work and then get him all depressed and then almost killed.

She doesn't have a good record with them at all. Suddenly she gets a random call and she decides not to kill herself? I dont buy it.

This was one of those switch and bait plots that didn't work in the series. I hated that fake out because her story was complete so having her appear after leading the audience on about her death was a cheap.

Yeah I agree it made more sense with her offing herself. But having her alive, the only plot that makes sense is the phone call changed her mind.

What her re-appearance really served was one last mindbender in the final episode for the viewer, bc at the moment they show her, in that episode, you still don't know if the "future" is an alternate reality in which Nora went to post-machine, where she found other people who died/departed i.e. Laurie. That was the real reason for bringing her back IMO, just to fuck with the audience.

[InRareForm]

I am going to rewatch the series from start to finish.