All jokes aside, being 2 out of 5 in the NBA finals in 11 years

[Thebesteva]

For Lebron James will be devastating to his legacy. To lose this year, when it was gifted with this joke of an EC, this is the stuff that ends legacies. If you look back at Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, etc. All these niggas had 2-3 rings by their 10th year. This guy was supposed to surpass Kobe and then ultimately Jordan. NEITHER of which he has done yet if he loses this year.

Duncan on the other hand, is about to surpass Kobe and not even a die hard Kobe stan will have the balls to debate that.

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

2-3 and he only had one good series against a shitty coach in Scott Brooks.

[Venti Quattro]

Duncan will cement Top 5 after Sunday.

[Thebesteva]

Duncan will cement Top 5 after Sunday.

Agreed, I have no problem with it either. Kobe acted like an ultimate faggot this last 2 years. Lakers shouldnt have sold out to this guy

[Kidd K]

I don't agree. Just getting to the Finals in 2007 was an accomplishment, and the loss shouldn't be held against him. It's really 2/4 (being fair), and he is losing now to an all time great team filled with underrated/underappreciated players that keeps breaking records for domination of their opponents.

Now, you could argue that LeBron's 4 straight Finals appearances and 2 rings are tainted because of the whole Miami thing, and I wouldn't disagree at all.

[FkLA]

Hope you are joking. James is clearly better than Kirby ever was, he just doesn't have anyone to bail him out if he goes 6-24 in a Finals game.

[Katherine Robinson]

He'll win on another team, besteva. If he cannot will his team to three straight wins, he cannot climb Jordan and will have to fight for his place in the 2 or 3 position for the remainder of his career.

[Thebesteva]

Hope you are joking. James is clearly better than Kirby ever was, he just doesn't have anyone to bail him out if he goes 6-24 in a Finals game.

Surpassed Kobe how exactly? :lol

[Thebesteva]

He'll win on another team, besteva. If he cannot will his team to three straight wins, he cannot climb Jordan and will have to fight for his place in the 2 or 3 position for the remainder of his career.

Maybe he'll make another decision special

[Katherine Robinson]

Maybe he'll make another decision special

Perhaps whether or not to join the NFL?

[FkLA]

Surpassed Kobe how exactly? :lol

In every single aspect other than team accomplishments. Can you even imagine a LeBron led team clinching a title while he goes 6-24? :lol

[rogues]

Premature ejaculation..

[TDMVPDPOY]

lebrons highest in a non playoff game is +60pts right?

he has yet done anything worth mentioning playoff career

[dg7md]

Duncan will cement Top 5 after Sunday.

:tu Class. I agree, Tim broke two records in the past game and looking to defy the odds of age.

[RsxPiimp]

Hope you are joking. James is clearly better than Kirby ever was, he just doesn't have anyone to bail him out if he goes 6-24 in a Finals game.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201306180MIA.html

[Venti Quattro]

Agreed, I have no problem with it either. Kobe acted like an ultimate faggot this last 2 years. Lakers shouldnt have sold out to this guy

He knows he can't win a championship (probably anymore), so he just chased the money. Solid business decision from Mamba.

[midnightpulp]

I know Lebron is widely hated, and his detractors are ready to bury him, but how do we blame him when he went 10-17 for 28 points while Wade goes 3-13, Lewis finally disappeared, and they have no PG rotation.

James dropped 19 points in the 3rd and the Heat still lost ground :lol

I ain't being a fanboy here, I just don't see how you can blame him and declare this Finals performance a "Legacy Hurter."

2011? Absolutely that was on him.

[Arcadian]

I know Lebron is widely hated, and his detractors are ready to bury him, but how do we blame him when he went 10-17 for 28 points while Wade goes 3-13, Lewis finally disappeared, and they have no PG rotation.

James dropped 19 points in the 3rd and the Heat still lost ground :lol

I ain't being a fanboy here, I just don't see how you can blame him and declare this Finals performance a "Legacy Hurter."

2011? Absolutely that was on him.

I agree - but his legacy will be hurt just by association. Just the fact that he was on another losing team in the Finals. Sometimes when people talk history, they gloss over details like "he actually played well though."

[Kidd K]

Premature ejaculation..

Son, this is like jizzing right before pulling out on accident. It ain't that premature, the fucking is all but done already.

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

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[dg7md]

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[KaiRMD1]

What this series does is show how empty the Heat are and possibly, how weak the EAST is (if that wasn't evident enough, I guess). Lastly, ISO ball will never be better than team ball

[MultiTroll]

Maybe he'll make another decision special
Or maybe he will sit on his **** while another team calls and offers their current top 5 big for a scrub like Kwame Brown. Etc Etc...
Accept some help getting your noze out of Kobees ass.

[jag]

Hope you are joking. James is clearly better than Kirby ever was, he just doesn't have anyone to bail him out if he goes 6-24 in a Finals game.

http://www.somegif.com/gifs/1363863597925139587.GIF

[MultiTroll]

Hope you are joking. James is clearly better than Kirby ever was, he just doesn't have anyone to bail him out if he goes 6-24 in a Finals game.
Yep.
LeBron shoots 60% and scores 19 points in the 3rd qtr while the rest of his team goes to pieces.
Kirby ballhogs 6-24 and gets bailed out by ref rimmin and Pao Gasol.
No comparison. :lol

[SpursBills]

I agree - but his legacy will be hurt just by association. Just the fact that he was on another losing team in the Finals. Sometimes when people talk history, they gloss over details like "he actually played well though."

Yeah history's a bitch. Lebron still (wrongly) gets flak for losing that 2009 series against orlando even though he put up a 38-8-8 with mo williams as his second best player.

[Cry Havoc]

Duncan is about 3 NBA plays away from having 7 or even 8 NBA rings. That's just hard to fathom.

[ElNono]

Hope you are joking. James is clearly better than Kirby ever was, he just doesn't have anyone to bail him out if he goes 6-24 in a Finals game.

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4609135/KAWHII.gif

[ImDaNuts]

Lebron will end up going 4 for 9 in his career when it's all said and done.

[Jacob1983]

Wade misses those 2006 Finals free throws. He knows that he would be out of the league and probably fat and broke if Stern hadn't made him a manufactured superstar.

[Thebesteva]

In every single aspect other than team accomplishments. Can you even imagine a LeBron led team clinching a title while he goes 6-24? :lol

You base all of kobes legacy on one bad performance? His rebounding in that game led to the W

[Malik Hairston]

Lebron deserves blame for 2011, because he sucked and the Heat were favored to win the series..

They were underdogs in this series, according to Vegas, and they were heavy underdogs in 2007, obviously..

These "legacy" talks by measuring stupid shit like "Finals record" is antiquated, it'll only ever be utilized by casual fans and "old media"..by the time Lebron retires, we'll be in a full-blown data era, where advanced metrics are king(they're already the primary source of discussion on intelligent NBA forums, but it's still about 40/60, unfortunately)..

[FkLA]

You base all of kobes legacy on one bad performance? His rebounding in that game led to the W

He set the record for lowest FG% by a FMVP that year. Shot under 40% IIRC.

And LA still won...

[ezau]

For Lebron James will be devastating to his legacy. To lose this year, when it was gifted with this joke of an EC, this is the stuff that ends legacies. If you look back at Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, etc. All these niggas had 2-3 rings by their 10th year. This guy was supposed to surpass Kobe and then ultimately Jordan. NEITHER of which he has done yet if he loses this year.

Duncan on the other hand, is about to surpass Kobe and not even a die hard Kobe stan will have the balls to debate that.

If Duncan wins his 5th ring, Lebron should be placed a tier lower than Duncan, Kobe, and Shaq. All three beat each other in their primes, while Lebron is about to lose his second finals series against an aging Duncan. :lol

[ezau]

Duncan is about 3 NBA plays away from having 7 or even 8 NBA rings. That's just hard to fathom.

So true. He could've been the GOAT :cry

[StrengthAndHonor]

He set the record for lowest FG% by a FMVP that year. Shot under 40% IIRC.

And LA still won...
His percentage is about the same as Lebron's in 2013 (EFG, TS%)

[Donkeybong]

People overestimating Duncan's contributions to the spurs in recent years. Yah, he's been solid, but he's not been an integral part of the spurs success for the last 3 years. He's still top 10, but I don't think in the top 5.

[Malik Hairston]

His percentage is about the same as Lebron's in 2013 (EFG, TS%)

Lebron offensive rating in 2013 Finals: 113 vs. Miami's team rating of 108
Kobe in 2010: 108 vs. LA's 106

Wade in 2013 Finals: 104 vs. Miami's 108
Gasol in 2010: 122 vs. LA's 106

[Malik Hairston]

People overestimating Duncan's contributions to the spurs in recent years. Yah, he's been solid, but he's not been an integral part of the spurs success for the last 3 years. He's still top 10, but I don't think in the top 5.

:lol he leads or is 2nd for the Spurs in every metric in these playoffs..

[midnightpulp]

:lol he leads or is 2nd for the Spurs in every metric in these playoffs..

Do Kobe fans just look at the box score and see a relatively solid 15-10 line and think, "Oh, those numbers aren't All-star level, he's not "integral!" Duncan is one of the main engines of this offense with his picking, cutting, being a threat from 18 feet, and his outlet passing.

No one on the Spurs averages over 17ppg anyway :lol

[Malik Hairston]

Do Kobe fans just look at the box score and see a relatively solid 15-10 line and think, "Oh, those numbers aren't All-star level, he's not "integral!" Duncan is one of the main engines of this offense with his picking, cutting, being a threat from 18 feet, and his outlet passing.

No one on the Spurs averages over 17ppg anyway :lol

I'm pretty sure they only look at: points and facial expressions that display killer instinct, tbh..

[Infinite_limit]

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4609135/KAWHII.gif
Oh look there's James doing absolutely nothing on a rebound with his 6 foot 8 & 250 pound frame

[Ghazi]

There is no shame in losing to this Spurs team... as discussed in the other thread... I believe they're one of the best teams I've ever seen.

[Franklin]

Agree, this spurs team may be even better than the 07' team. Even the 07' team couldn't win the finals in such a dominant way, (otherwise it'd only mean the 14' cHeat are even shittier than the 07' cavs :lol)

[Infinite_limit]

Yep.
LeBron shoots 60% and scores 19 points in the 3rd qtr while the rest of his team goes to pieces.
Kirby ballhogs 6-24 and gets bailed out by ref rimmin and Pao Gasol.
No comparison. :lol
Lebron was -21 tonight, worst on the team

[FkLA]

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[DAF86]

People overestimating Duncan's contributions to the spurs in recent years. Yah, he's been solid, but he's not been an integral part of the spurs success for the last 3 years. He's still top 10, but I don't think in the top 5.

This coming from lakerfans that make a living of overestimating Kobe's contributions on his first three championships. :lol

[DAF86]

Regarding the thread topic. I still don't get why some people are so obsessed with finals losses. Hey dummies, making the finals > losing before that.

[Infinite_limit]

Regarding the thread topic. I still don't get why some people are so obsessed with finals losses. Hey dummies, making the finals > losing before that.
Making the Western Conference Finals = Winning the East

Thus the Jazz have some banners to hang

[Thebesteva]

If Duncan wins his 5th ring, Lebron should be placed a tier lower than Duncan, Kobe, and Shaq. All three beat each other in their primes, while Lebron is about to lose his second finals series against an aging Duncan. :lol

agreed

[jARS mEsH sEt]

For Lebron James will be devastating to his legacy. To lose this year, when it was gifted with this joke of an EC, this is the stuff that ends legacies. If you look back at Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, etc. All these niggas had 2-3 rings by their 10th year. This guy was supposed to surpass Kobe and then ultimately Jordan. NEITHER of which he has done yet if he loses this year.

Duncan on the other hand, is about to surpass Kobe and not even a die hard Kobe stan will have the balls to debate that.

Have you seen LG lately :lmao

Kirbytards are hanging onto Duncan's post game interview with Stewart Scott where Duncan said he played well within his "role" this year to claim that this ring does nothing for Duncan > Kobe because Duncan was merely a "role player." In usual Kirbytard fashion they completely ignore the importance of rim defense.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

And yes Lebron is not in Duncan/Kirby/Shaq tier. He can still potentially get there but he's not there yet. Kirby 5 rings, Jim 5 rings, Snaq 4, and all without super team collusion.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

How many times did we see guards pussyfoot their way out of the lane when they saw Jim? He blocked Wade and Lebron (and Bosh?) a couple of times and forced passes out of the paint.

[Buddy Mignon]

Agreed, I have no problem with it either. Kobe acted like an ultimate faggot this last 2 years. Lakers shouldnt have sold out to this guy

They had no choice. No Kobe... No Time Warner deal. Kob'e 48 mil was part of the deal from the beginning.

[Kyle Orton]

Duncan is about 3 NBA plays away from having 7 or even 8 NBA rings. That's just hard to fathom.
It's too bad he couldn't make a 2 foot layup

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Do Kobe fans just look at the box score and see a relatively solid 15-10 line and think, "Oh, those numbers aren't All-star level, he's not "integral!" Duncan is one of the main engines of this offense with his picking, cutting, being a threat from 18 feet, and his outlet passing.

No one on the Spurs averages over 17ppg anyway :lol

They look at points. If you ever read LG they literally gauge team success by PPG. Their idea of a good team is having a bunch of ISO superstars who put up 25 PPG+ on their respective, shitty teams. Nothing else registers for them.

[100%duncan]

It's too bad he couldn't make a 2 foot layup

Asshurt :lmao

[jARS mEsH sEt]

This is Lakersground's idea of a championship caliber hyper team:

Kobe
Kyrie
Harden
Melo
Love

shit for bench

LG's thought process? Just add their PPG together and that's what the Lakers will average!!